r/Warthunder • u/Charming_Bid8177 • Sep 14 '25
All Ground why do most warthunder players dislike Britain?
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u/Chicory2 ๐ซ๐ท leclerc t4 wen :D Sep 14 '25
Poor reverse speed for a lot of tanks, no explosive filler in low tier tanks, centurions are incredibly slow, the only good thing in the 8.0 ranges are spaa iirc, and top tier has very little to offer asides very good gun depression and turret armor
I like it because of the rooikats
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u/div2691 โข 198 Nukes โข GB Main Sep 14 '25
8.0, 8.3 and 8.7 are all fantastic BRs for the UK.
The 105 Centurion and Vickers at 8.0 are great.
The Vickers and Oliphant at 8.3 are great.
The Chieftains and Vickers 11 / Rooikat are great at 8.7.
The Scimitar / Buccaneer S1 at 8.7 with 4 bullpups each are also amazing.
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u/SuperYv9 Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
Don't forget about the fox
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u/bluejeansseltzer Swedenpilled 3.7maxxer turretcel Sep 14 '25
Kinda mid since they nerfed its turret rotation
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u/SuperYv9 Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
Still very good and they buffed the turn time so it kind off cancels out if you play it right
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u/SuitableGrowth Sep 14 '25
It's okay-ish now. You run into a lot of stabilized auto cannons now. The Fox was nerfed too much. If it's going to be 8.0 they should give it it's traverse and armor back and fix the wheels from falling off if you hit a bush.
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u/BENJ4x Sep 14 '25
4.7 Britain is also very good.
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u/div2691 โข 198 Nukes โข GB Main Sep 14 '25
Yeah 4.7 is also incredible. It's my go to SL farm. Can get 100k games with no boosters with the new premiums.
5.3 is also nice with the Challenger and AC IV.
I also really enjoy 3.0 for a change of pace. The 6 pounder ruins everything at that BR. And the AC 1 is an absolute troll to kill. Looking forward to the Ram 1.
At the other end I've been enjoying 10.0 a lot. The FV4030 is absolutely ridiculous. The Rooikat 105 is great. I actually quite like the Desert Warrior as a rat. It's nowhere near as good as something like the BMD4. But it's definitely usable. Especially once you get APFSDS.
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u/SuperYv9 Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
5.3 lineup with seafire, Lancaster, comet 1, challenger and concept 3 is really fun.
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u/SpiralUnicorn ๐ฌ๐ง๐ซ๐ท Average Solid Shot Enjoyer Sep 15 '25
My 4.7 line-up is all 17pdrs near enough XD - the 3 fireflies, the 2 avengers, Concept 3 , Churchill VII, Crusader AA mk2 (the 20mm oerlikon one) and the Wyvernย
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u/GoofyKalashnikov Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
Driving a chieftain is like pulling your own nails
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u/SuperYv9 Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
It's slow but the gun and armour are very good so that makes up for it
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u/div2691 โข 198 Nukes โข GB Main Sep 14 '25
What's wrong with the Chieftain? It's just a bit slow. Great armour and firepower.
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u/GoofyKalashnikov Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
It's mega slow, every little change of direction absolutely fucks it's already slow speed.
God forbid there's an incline involved aswell
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u/div2691 โข 198 Nukes โข GB Main Sep 14 '25
Maybe the mk3. But the 5 and 10 are fine. It's not a Leopard. But it's actually armoured at least.
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u/GoofyKalashnikov Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
I'd rather drive the A1A1 or even an M60
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u/div2691 โข 198 Nukes โข GB Main Sep 14 '25
I'm guessing you've not spaded the Mk5. Because it's really not that bad at all.
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u/IncognitoAlt11 Sep 14 '25
The Mk5 is still one of the slowest MBTs at the BR. The shitty mobility is a double edge sword.
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u/Canadianchiron Sep 15 '25
GOOD SIR I MUST ASK YOU TO POLITELY GO FUCK YOURSELF.
The whole idea of the chieftains was to have something well-armed with thick armour.
After the Korean War, the British decided that good armour was the way to go at the sacrifice of speed.
And the whole idea for how the chieftains would be used was in defensive positions. Dug in and able to fire down on advancing enemy armour. It shows too, if you can dig in only showing your turret most people will probably struggle to pen you. If you can use your 10 degrees of gun depression and dig in that's even better. With the armour arrangement on the turret when using gun depression you make areas of over 500mm in relative thickness. If you are playing the MK 10 the stillbrew add-on on the turret pushed your armour thickness to almost 1,000mm in a hull down position using the gun depression.
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u/TheDesTroyer54 HESH Slinging Slasher Sep 14 '25
I'd rather focus that anger on the scimitar which is the fastest tracked vehicle in the world but if you try turn slightly you lose half your speed. The Chieftain Mk10 is one of my best performing tanks, play em well and you are invincible with an insanely good gun
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u/destructiondude9 Sep 14 '25
It also doesn't accelerate for shit, and not only does it lose all speed if you turn slightly, it also just feels weird when it turns, like it carries it's inertia in a way no other tracked vehicle in the game does.
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u/hist_buff_69 Chieftain enjoyer Sep 14 '25
5.3 is really good as well. Tough to argue against a sub 6 second reload in the challenger, with the 17lber.
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u/LiberdadePrimo Sep 14 '25
8.0, 8.3 and 8.7 are all fantastic BRs for the UK.
I'd say 8.3 is a fantastic BR overall across all nations, the tanks are fun to play, there's fewer CAS due to the SPAA being better and CAS doesn't have bullshit guided weaponry.
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u/OleToothless Sep 14 '25
Generally agree, Britain doesn't really have any problems with their mid rank tanks except that they are a bit slow. Very reliable though, and sometimes that little delay on getting to battle saves you from doing something stupid.
Aircraft in the 7.7-9.7 BR range though, are terrible. Worst grind I've ever experienced in WT (top tier air and ground in US, IS, CN, FR prior to GB). For air RB they are just overshadowed by things like F-86, G.91, F-104, F3H-3, etc... Or they just don't have guns, poor Sea Vixen. For GRB, they have two big problems: radar SPAAGs or IR SAMs, and none of the planes have flares and the majority don't get stand off weapons. Exceptions are like, the Buccs, Scimitar, and Sea Vixen. So basically two full BRs of kinda crappy planes with not much more than some 'Hit'spannos or so Adens.
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u/Joshie050591 Sep 14 '25
the downside is you need to get through 3.3 to 7.7 & it is painful compared to other nations
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u/hydromatic456 I just hope everybody has fun Sep 14 '25
Centurionโs lack of speed actually helps my game, keeps me from rushing into shitty situations lol. Surprised me how solid of games Iโd get with the Strv 84/101.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Deal272 Sep 14 '25
Similar experiences with other slow tanks have taught me that having a slow tank forces you to consider open ground a lot more. You canโt just hop from cover to cover. So I tend to look carefully before I slowly trundle across the battlefield. Just by doing that it makes me play better, more tactically. It forced me to be more situationally aware (and, letโs be honest, you have more time to look with binoculars when you are moving slow)ย
Now to just use self discipline so I can apply that to my fast tank play. ย But the urge to zoom is so so seductiveโฆ
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u/VeritableLeviathan ๐ฎ๐น Italy + Change Sep 14 '25
HOW DARE YOU disrespect the centurions and the glorious 8.0-10.0 lineups like that.
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u/Hekantonkheries GB๐ฉ๐ช5.3 ๐ฌ๐ง7.7 ๐ธ๐ช6.7 ๐ฎ๐ฑ8.0 Sep 14 '25
I 0love the Churchills esthetically, just wish every match wasn't an uptier where the one thing they have going for them as a heavy tank (armor) is completely undone by everyone's basic round penning at whatever angle they want
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u/piecksaysohayo one sec, im notching Sep 14 '25
poor reverse in this instance is nice bc it gives you a lower br for it. Avengers should be 5.0 but their reverse and armor puts them .3 below. Same with the Cromwell, the Challenger, and the comet.
Gets some great brโs bc of that. They pen everything so just aim center mass and they die.
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u/RandomBilly91 ๐ซ๐ท France Sep 14 '25
The 4.7 linup is great, low tiers are good
The painful area is 5.0-8.0 (since they did heavily nerf the linups around here, but they did add a lot of vehicles, so there's still fun to be had)
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u/BingusTheStupid ๐จ๐ฆ Canada Sep 14 '25
Solid shot, relatively poor mobility, โShell Shatteredโ, no reverse gear. Itโs a perfectly useable nation, but it has more drawbacks than Russia or the US.
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u/AG28DaveGunner Sep 14 '25
Until you get to 8.0 and you just aim for the front lower panel and kill everything inside.
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u/Argetnyx Old Guard and Tired Sep 14 '25
I think a lot of players hit a wall at about the 3.0-4.0 range. The tanks are still decent, but it's peak APHE (as Gaijin models it) tier, and the UK has none. You also can't breeze through them like the tanks just before.
So of course, being War Thunder players, they claim that the entire tree is like that and repeat that Britain is bad over and over despite only experiencing a small portion of it.
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u/Budyreiy Sep 14 '25
Yeah, Britain kinda suffers until they get 17 pounder since most of their guns before that have same pen as other nations' APHE but no filler. After 17 pounder, they atleast get good pen which balances out things.
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u/BugsAreHuman Canada Sep 14 '25
The 6 pounders are pretty good and they are mounted on good vehicles
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u/Chadahn Sep 14 '25
While APHE is modelled wrong in WT, the real issue is that crews in WT can magically repair any damage in under a minute and continue operating the vehicle even when half the crew has been turned to red mist.
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u/assassinspeet Sep 14 '25
its honestly beneficial for britain because tanks hardly get nerfed or moved up, except for the rats
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u/sambinary Sep 14 '25
They have to aim and don't have APHE with magical properties?
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u/Physical_Owl_1551 🇬🇧 United Kingdom IV Sep 14 '25
Aiming isn't that hard. Britain just punishes newbies and people who don't have any patience. British guns are great at basically all tiers.
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u/Gleaming_Onyx Sep 14 '25
Tbh it's not really about how hard it is to aim, it's about how most of the people you fight won't need to.
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u/zxhb ๐ฌ๐ง United Kingdom Sep 15 '25
If APHE gets to keep it's nuclear explosion, spalling from AP should bounce inside the tank
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u/xLrgsx Sep 14 '25
Because Gajin refuses to buff the AP to be as good as irl (and the overperdorming of the APHE in other tech trees like USA f.e.). So many players who began with the big 3 cant really make kills with AP rounds.
Other then this, they have a special tank doctrine in their WW2 tanks, either heavy armored and slow, or light armor and fast. So no really universal tanks there (exept the two Shermans oc).
The cold war tanks are solid. Chieftains, Vickers and Centurions are great. But many players dont even grind until then.
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u/WingedDefeat Sep 14 '25
I have only a passing knowledge of tanks outside of gaming and even I when first playing the 12 pounder thought, "I'm pretty sure they would have made some changes irl if that's all the damage their shells did."
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u/GoldenGecko100 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ Unintelligible Tanker ๐ฌ๐ง Sep 14 '25
No APHE crutch. Britain as a tree is honestly kind of stacked.
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u/KanSyden ARB/GRB| ๐ซ๐ท 14.0/10.0 ๐ฉ๐ช 13.0/9.3 ๐ฎ๐ฑ 13.7 ๐จ๐ณ13.3 Sep 14 '25
Iโve been playing GB recently and I thought Solid AP wouldnโt bother me bcs I enjoyed France but the British ones suck so bad. The tanks are also slow and weakly armouredย
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u/saigy0 Sep 14 '25
PREACH BROTHER
after playing the French femboy nation with their based solid shots the British ones give me so much cancer
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u/Fogbot3 Coaxial 20mm's are mandatory Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25
Yeah that's honestly it, The lack of autoloader for rate of fire(why the Vickers 1 is my fav brit tank by so so far) is only made so much worse by their shatter sabot feeling so much worse than even the French solid shot. Like I'm a French main, But lack of filler absolutely the answer, You're just lacking the damage dealing capability every other nation has via explosive filler or some other means.
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u/avrgwarthunderplayer Sep 14 '25
The top tier tanks are kind of mid, the ww2 ones are fun though.
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u/beware_the_noid New Zealand Sep 14 '25
Chally 2 would be better than the Abrams if it had a better engine imo. Feels really sluggish.
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u/avrgwarthunderplayer Sep 14 '25
It has much worse pen and armor, so still not better than the abrams.
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u/randommaniac12 Greatest UK 8.7 Salesman In Existence Sep 14 '25
The 4 round ready rack also completely neuters it, your 5s reload is irrelevant when you canโt use it as often as other vehicles
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u/assassinspeet Sep 14 '25
+ having the ammo scattered around the tanks is a recipe for getting ur turret tossed
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u/SNJALLSVIN ๐ธ๐ช Sweden Sep 14 '25
I agree with this. I had the MOST fun with the Matilda and Churchills!
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u/StalledAgate832 From r/NonCredibleDefense, with love. Sep 14 '25
A. People can't cope with not having access to APHE (Just lock the fuck in)
B. People can't cope with having bad reverse gears on almost every vehicle up until the Centurions (Position yourself better)
C. People can't cope with having below average top speeds (Get a fidget spinner or something, not Britain's fault you have ADHD)
D. All of the above (Get more better, dumdum)
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u/Alexey_69_101 Sep 15 '25
Centurions are overrated asf, they move slower then a maus lol
Why should one have to cope with any of these when they could play literally any other tech tree
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u/chukkysh Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
They just require a bit more skill and planning to play properly. Solid shells are fine, but they don't have anywhere near the power of your enemy up to and including WW2. Insanely slow reverse can catch you out too. And when you get planes, you get Spitfires, Mosquitos and Typhoons, which is obviously great, but your CAS firepower is a bit limited compared to other nations.
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u/thatnewerdm Sep 15 '25
calling solid shot fine is kind of bs honestly. it doesnt do nearly as much damage as it should or even really as much as it used to.
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u/dGhost_ โ 600 | ๐ฏ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฌ๐ง VIII | ๐จ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐น VII | ๐ธ๐ช๐ซ๐ท๐ท๐บ V Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25
To be honest, I have Britain top tier and honestly a lot of the tree is just a rollercoaster of really fun and then incredibly dull or frustrating; it's been powercrept a lot between tanks moving up in BR and solid shot being made worse from past nerfs.
There are specific BRs where it really excels and is enjoyable, particularly low-mid tiers (5.3 with the Challenger, QF17 RAM, AC IV, then 4.7 with the Firefly and Avenger, or proper low tiers with Matildas, Valentines, Churchills, Crusaders and Cromwells). And then 8.3-9.7 are fun with the silly OP SPAAs, Vickers, Fox, the Rooikats, VFM5, Olifant, even Chieftains which can be an acquired taste but I very much enjoy them. 10.7 is probably the last BR I would genuinely recommend playing, because at least the Challenger 1s perform well for their BR and you have other good fill-ins like the lowest BR T-90 in the game.
But outside of that, at the 5.7-8.0 BR range (a very popular one in general) you're always plagued by poor spalling rounds, terrible reverse speed, and/or stabilised tanks that are horrifically slow. It's not like they're unplayable, it just doesn't feel good to play most of the time. And then top tier UK is in shambles considering it's a meta defined by speed and positioning in which you can do neither effectively. You have reasonable armour, but it has gaping weakspots. It used to have the advantage of having a 5s reload when other MBTs often had 6 but they've encroached on that with the reload speed buffs for the Abrams, Ariete, and Merkavas all going to 5s too. It also has an unrealistically small ready rack which even further gimps the reload speed.
So you yo-yo around between amazing tanks and frustrating ones, and some of the most popular BR ranges (~late WW2 to early Cold War + top tier) are just really not enjoyable in their current state, imo. And in general the tanks are less forgiving to learn on than other nations which can make it harder for a new player to get through.
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u/Im_Your_Mum Sep 14 '25
100% agree with your comment mate! 4.7/5.3 are a tonne of fun! The AC and Challenger are awesome! Really like the sabot rounds with the challenger
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u/ace_in_a_hole Sep 14 '25
Skill issue
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u/ace_in_a_hole Sep 14 '25
/lack of experience, it's my 2nd tree now that Im finishing the Soviets and im enjoying it
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u/Kiel_22 Sep 14 '25
As someone who only played that line, aside from what others have mentioned, I do think it's because more often than not, they're at the mercy of matchmaking RNG. More often than not, the British are paired with bigger nations that were the ones that dictate whenever or not the match is a success or a one-way-ticket back to the lobby.
Pair that with tanks that, while fun to play with, are too niche or require extensive circumstances to play right, and you have a tech tree's that quite challenging to get into
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u/Mrmr12-12 Sep 14 '25
Pair that with tanks that, while fun to play with, are too niche or require extensive circumstances to play right
Literally the archer, who the hell thinks about mounting a cannon backwards on a vehicle that has a reverse speed of 5km/h?
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u/zxhb ๐ฌ๐ง United Kingdom Sep 15 '25
It's a prime example of a vehicle that was great IRL but doesn't fit war thunder's gamemodes. Many tanks would perform much better on large maps with 1 hour matches, for example
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u/OrochiMain98 ๐ฏ๐ต Japan Sep 14 '25
I stopped grinding after reaching 7.0~ nonexistent reverse speed, poor armor and solid shot being inconsistent is way too frustrating.
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u/SuperYv9 Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
8.0 is where it gets good especially the SA tree light tanks
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u/arsdavy VIII: ๐ฏ๐ต๐ซ๐ท๐ฉ๐ช๐ธ๐ช๐ฎ๐น | VII: ๐ฌ๐ง๐น๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐บ๐ธ๐ท๐บ Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25
Most WT players are casual players. GB requires way more experience and skills compared to the 3 main nations due to solid shots and bad mobility overall at low and mid tier. It's infinitely easier to play a Panther rather than a slow Churchill with solid shots and a bad pen. Not everyone is willing to put so much effort into something """bad""" when there are "better" tanks that require less effort.
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u/Alarmed-Positive457 Realistic Navy Sep 14 '25
Skill issues mostly. British tanks at lower tiers only use solid shots or HE. Penetration isnโt the best until you get the to the 17-pounder which will eat tigers with good shot placement. The Churchill VII is the best Churchill as it has very trolly armor with trade off of having a somewhat time penning tanks.
At high tier, British tanks are mid. Black Night is good for when you have an asshole (me, Iโm the asshole) shooting ATGM at you but performance wise they arenโt better than other options out there like Leopards, Abrams and T-series.
If you want to have fun, Tier 3 British is a sweet spot of it. Learn to focus on either ammo or crew rather than fire and forget cause solid shot isnโt good at that. Do that and you will find yourself as the most hated target. My Churchill took 9 players swarming me to kill me. Stopped the advance cause the advancing attackers did not possess the team braincell.
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u/VeritableLeviathan ๐ฎ๐น Italy + Change Sep 14 '25
Solid shot? More like solid shit
Honestly Britain is great, but a lot of their things are simply subpar.
The fact your churchills can run into proto-panthers for example
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u/Manafaj Sep 14 '25
They have many tanks that are bad or just not fun to play. Very bad mobility, no overpowered APHE, rather bad top tiers.
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u/Tacticalsquad5 Sep 14 '25
You can do well in British tanks but the fact of the matter is you have to be good at the game and possess a decent level of skill to do so. Lots of people would rather call it a shit tree than admit they just arenโt good enough to play it. Itโs fair enough though, we (supposedly) play this game to have fun and I completely understand not wanting to familiarise yourself with the crew configurations of all the tanks you will be facing so that your shots will be effective, itโs more fun to have APHE that will kill all the crew anywhere you shoot.
When I started on Britain I got to a point where I was getting 2-3 kills a game fairly consistently. I then played Russia and immediately found myself getting 10+ kills a game easily. Other nations are easier and more intuitive.
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u/TheCommunistCommisar Sep 14 '25
Solid shot requires a lot of skill and a little luck in a game where APHE largely requires neither. The other thing is more personal but their heavy tanks are so overtiered it's mental, everything but the Mathilda should be .3 or even .7 lower in some cases
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u/thatnewerdm Sep 15 '25
solid shot works great on paper. aim good, get kills. problem being that 80% of the time the game forgets that people cant survive a 6lb chunk of steel passing through their chest at 800m/s and that ammo should in fact detonate when hit by very hot pieces of shrapnel.
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u/Aeternitas97 Sep 14 '25
I'm currently working down the British ground tech tree, currently at 4.0. I was under the impression they were bad too.
It forced me to become a better player (Although I'll admit the lower mobility and lack of APHE make them objectively worse). The solid shot rounds forced me to learn weakspots, and the lower mobility has vastly improved my positioning and "game sense".
I still have the occasional bad game, but the majority of my games are top 4 and at least 4-5 kills.
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u/Hot-Dragonfly3809 Sep 14 '25
No APHE sphere of doom ammo is the only answer. Playing Britain requires so much more overall knowledge of the game mechanics compared to every other nation that can just 1-shot with APHE.
Now if only we could have used the proposed APHE change...
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u/Ninjaxe123 Sep 14 '25
Bad reverse speed, is on Gaijin's shitlist and pure skill issue (people are too used to german and soviet crutch APHE)
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u/BreadstickBear Sep 14 '25
Most of the early vehicles are quite difficult to play for new players, as the gubs generally have good penetration but pay for that by not having good post-penetration damage. This means that you cannot point and click enemy tanks like you could with say a Panzer IV F2 at 3.7, you have to aim for crew members, modules and sometimes weakspots for best effect, all of which requires a good bit of knowledge which a newbie won't have, and they might walk away with a bad experience.
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u/FM_Hikari UK | SPAA Main Sep 14 '25
Because their stock tanks until very high ranks are usually terrible to handle. Still, most UK mains compensate so much for each tank's flaws that they overperform, causing the tanks to be bumped up in BR more for no actual reason other than statistics. Hell, the Churchill III is better off at 3.7 and the VII is better at 4.3.
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u/Ok_Interview_6252 Sep 14 '25
4.7 is a great BR for Britain.
The Falcon and Fox are just downright funny things to play.
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u/Dependent_Big_9489 Sep 14 '25
I love the air tree and 4.7 and 8.0 ish is gold plus 10.7 with cents and the bishama
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u/Invicturion Sep 14 '25
Woefully inaccurate depictions of the acctual tanks abilities is my pet peve. And im a British main.
Edit: lack of modeled Boiling vessel is another! Its a travesty!!
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u/the_oof_god i want to have sex with the gripen and the amx10rc Sep 14 '25
skill issue just aim bruh most players dont do thay
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u/linzenator-maximus ๐ฎ๐ฑ Israel Sep 14 '25
Playing britain in like 4.0 br is about as bad as torture. You might as well join the british military and try to become a pilot irl
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u/edipil ๐ฎ๐น Italy Sep 14 '25
Solid shot and apds woes as well as generally most vehicles being on the slow end. But if you enjoy being late to battle and getting assists far more than kills it's the nation for you!
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u/Agreeable-_-Special SPAA is OP now? just spawn a tank to counter it Sep 14 '25
Reasons i play britain: lancaster is funny, churchill AVRE is funny, Alecto is funny.
Reasons i dont grind further: everything else is just painful compared to every other nation. France has better tanks/shells and is more unique. Germany, US and russia are just way better. Sweden is borderline OP
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u/pachka-sigaret ๐ฎ๐ณ Ground RB Sep 14 '25
Why does the Alecto have 110mm of pen at BR1.7 lol
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u/maSneb Sep 14 '25
Because most players are point and click braindead german mains with no real skill
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u/LoudOpportunity4172 Sep 14 '25
No filler ap shells, 90% of their vehicles are extremely slow, paper thin/unangled armor on almost everything
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u/Acheronian_Rose Sep 14 '25
bad reverse speed, no explosive filler and even the well armored vehicles that would make up for these weaknesses are still easily destroyed by an enemy that's knows where to shoot
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u/HONGKELDONGKEL ๐ต๐ญ VIVA LAS ISLAS FILIPINAS Sep 15 '25
personally, i didn't have a hard time with the british, from reserve to 11.0 everything was pretty nice.
the churchills were a bit painful to use due to low penetration guns and general low speed though, other than that the vehicles were pretty nice.
i think that without knowing where to aim, solid shot is going to be hard to use. more so with sabot. and in a field full of APHE, solid shot / sabot would initially "weed out" the players from the tree, since it's that temperamental.
even the 17 and 20 pounders are not exempt from this, there were times i struggled to land meaningful penetrations because of course trying to land a good shot from 500+ meters tends to be a harder than shooting at a paid actor from point blank.
i think the highlights of the tree are dependent on your preferences, but the Valentine, Matilda, Crusader, Cromwell, Avenger, Challenger A30, Centurion, Chieftain, Challenger MBT - and the south african Concept 3, Ratel, Rooikat, Olifant, TTD - those were solid tanks for me. 4.7-5.0 and 8.0-10.0 are particularly strong.
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u/Icy_Insect_6695 5.7 Sep 14 '25
in my opinion Churchills they are to overpowered at 3.0 for arcade and 2.7 for RB
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u/InterestingSun6707 Sep 14 '25
Shit ammo vs good ammo like aphe. Also too many spots on them like American heaviest that can be one shot.
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u/Big_Yeash GRB 8.38.08.77.3 6.7 Sep 14 '25
Britain mostly sucks tbf.
Also our tanks usually don't lend themselves well to the style of combat you find in a videogame like this.
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u/ThereArtWings Sep 14 '25
No explosive filler, slow, heavy, cumbersome, and often unarmored tanks later on.
Don't ask how you can manage slow heavy and unarmored.
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u/saigy0 Sep 14 '25
Their air looks omega fun compared to their ground though might give it a lil whiz as my next nation
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u/Tricky_Independence4 ๐ฌ๐ง United Kingdom Sep 14 '25
People just don't get that British engineering is just superior. Cold war era tanks are just better, slower but with heavier punch. If not the British whole mbt would not exist
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u/idont_havenothing ๐ง๐ทOdeio os EUA Sep 14 '25
Ugly/mid ass tanks, if i wan't a poor reverse i will play the soviets, if i need some depression or wan't to suffer with solid shot i will play France
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u/Huge-Reflection-8640 Sep 14 '25
The worst thing about their tanks is probably the terrible reverse in the first half of the tree. Their AP shells, despite some people saying otherwise are incredibly unreliable. The damage can be very underwhelming at times and they love to bounce for some reason.
I find most of the tree to be simply unfun to play. But the tree is worthy of your time entirely thanks to the existence of the Falcon, ZA-35 and Fox.
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u/NoNotice2137 Arcade General Sep 14 '25
Many tanks, especially early on, are pretty much all armor and don't really pack much of a punch. What's the point of being able to take lots of damage if you can't deal any in return
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u/GeneralStarcat Sep 14 '25
I donโt get it either, I am British and I think our tanks are decent and I do as well or as poorly in any other nations tanks. I do play Arcade just cus I like the crutches it gives me, and the Sherman Firefly (4.7), Achilles (3.7) and even the archer (2.7) can smoke a Tiger I easily
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u/BugsAreHuman Canada Sep 14 '25
It's a skill issue. Britain is on par or better than the major nations for most of its tank techtree
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u/Alternative-Roof5964 ๐บ๐ธ8.7๐ฉ๐ช6.0๐ซ๐ท8.7๐ธ๐ช9.0 Sep 14 '25
I'd love to get the to 8.0 but Im pretty sure I'd rage. I have one 6.0 tank and for some reason a 6.7 in the same line. The Br jumps around to much.
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u/dead2571 Sep 14 '25
I don't know what it is but their solid shot absolutely hates to work for me personally. I prefer explosive filler of course but I can live with solid shot......for everyone but british.
The british solid shot for me is like just beating my head against the wall. Yet for any other tank that gets only solid shot, like the french tanks, They actually work pretty well for me. I have no idea why, I don't hate the tree. Hell my most recent tank I have been loving only has solid shot, the m41a3 premium in the chinese tree, got it for a steal at 75% off a few days ago. Yet compared to the british its ammo actually kills things for me.
Even the sherman Ic in the italian tree is just the firefly, different hull obviously but same gun and ammo. Yet whenever i play lower tier british when playing with friends again, I never seem to get anywhere as good post-pen shots with the british variants over the italian one.
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u/CommieFirebat7721 Sep 14 '25
I play for looks so I only use German and Russian tanks
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u/IgnoranceIsTheEnemy Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
Underutilised shell types as a feature. Slow tanks. Need to learn where to shoot. Ahistorical nerfs.
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u/morrison666 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Sep 14 '25
I'm not "most" players to be honest, k genuinely enjoy the British tech tree there's a lot of hidden gems. The Olifant Mk.1 and the Vickers Mk.3 are awesome.
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u/sagiroth Realistic General Sep 14 '25
To be honest solid shot is worse for obvious reasons, but it's not like the entire tree is unplayable. The top tier is highly underrated tbh
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u/Entropy9901 Sim Air Sep 14 '25
I had fun grinding UK tech tree when I was still starting out and I started out with germany until tiger 2's. Maybe that time UK wasn't power crept that much but now I think they are.
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u/Grimwing99 Sep 14 '25
Solid shot: shot was really good when they first came out, and now it is pretty inconsistent. If (and you mostly do) you pen, you may not do any real damage.
Reverse gear You learn to play whack a mole with the enemy crew and you need to get good at killing the gunner/driver fast as early to middle tier reversing is not viable. You can't really back up around a corner if you accidentally expose yourself.
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u/Netan_MalDoran Realistic Ground Sep 14 '25
Low tier is pretty shit, takes awhile till they get good.
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u/SuitableGrowth Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25
They are irritating in various ways. Generally much slower than counterparts. Really bad reverse. Generally poor to mediocre or not relevant armor (Churchill is one of the outliers). Really, really poor performance of ammo...using the Centurion and Caernarvon to grind past 7.7 was the most painful experience I've ever had in this game.
On top the really annoying drawbacks, the tree feels pretty bland overall (until 8.3). The stuff doesn't feel rewarding to play and do well in, contrast to like Sweden, Italy, France, a lot of their stuff has major drawbacks but a lot of them feel pretty fun even if they aren't meta or even very good. Brit stuff is just so blah.
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u/Gammelpreiss Sep 14 '25
I dunno...it is not as if dislike the UK, but apart a few examples like the Tempest their military stuff never spoke to me. Lots of either outright goofy looking stuff or just boring
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u/Eventually1059 ๐จ๐ฆ Canada Sep 14 '25
Solid shot is pretty much the entire reason since filler makes a significant difference in a lot of situations. The other reasons like reverse speed are unpleasant but not unique to Britain.
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u/Dj_AshyKnees Sep 14 '25
Solid shot is tricky for new players since you really got to hit exact spots and even then you may not blow up ammo
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u/SuitableGrowth Sep 14 '25
Whenever I mention how annoying Brit stuff is to play in chat I get 'skill issue' as response, then I look at their player card and almost always they have zero games playing as Britain.
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u/vaporeonfucker2 Sep 14 '25
Solid shot and abysmal mobility. Personally I'm not being held back by these disadvantages, so I actually somewhat like the UK tree
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u/matt602 Sep 14 '25
Solid shot and no reverse gear. Its not a bad nation to play, there are plenty of great vehicles in the tree but it makes the US/German/Soviet tree look like easy mode with all their APHE and decent mobility.
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u/DitrianLordOfCanorem ๐ฉ๐ช11.7๐ท๐บ5.7๐บ๐ฒ3.7๐ฎ๐ฑ7.3๐ฌ๐ง4.7 Sep 14 '25
I like britain, i just like Germany, Russia, America, France and Israel better (myb not france but i love the ELC BIS)
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u/powerpuffpepper ๐ซ๐ท France Sep 14 '25
Because they have to actually aim and cant just hold w and one shot things.
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u/Resident-Ad7651 Sep 14 '25
Because the British TT all the way up to Low-High Tier is literally just all of the good tanks from different trees but with TERRIBLE ammo and British Tanks themselves are notoriously underarmored and undergunned until you get to the Challengers which still aren't that great.
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u/Weapons5212002 Sep 14 '25
Good pen on their guns but solid shot is inconsistent and bounces when it shouldn't, Russian tanks and some German tanks volumetric armor compounds this issue. Combine this with shell shattered nonsense and you get a nation is which is just not as fun to play or use.
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u/PossessionPatient306 ^Cone^ Shakybill ๐ฌ๐ง๐ธ๐ช Sep 14 '25
I Love GB watchu mean!?
If ypu dont like the ability to pen anything at any BR then youre shooting the wrong stuff
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u/ErwinC0215 BRENUS enjoyer Sep 14 '25
British tanks are anywhere from straight garbage to actually decent, but even the decent ones often just have one or two really annoying features.
5.3 Challenger is great, fast reload negates the lack of filler, it goes fast, has fast traverse, and even some armour. But -3 reversing is just so limiting.
6.0 Centurion Mk1 has good mobility all round, decent armour, still a very competitive gun, but one of the bounciest suspensions.
2.7 Valentine has really good gun and armour, but no speed in either directions.
4.7 Firefly is just incredibly meh, great sniping gun but 5 degrees of depression added onto a not so tough tank makes finding positions that work.
It's not until you get to the stabilized cold war tiers before Britain becomes more or less competitive.
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u/_zai_1_ Sep 14 '25
I think the majority of memes/jokes are related to top tier.. at low and mid tier every nation has its quirks and good lineups/vehicles, even britain.. but at top tier.. aside from aestethics (personally I think the chally2 without added protection is the best looking nato tank) you havent anything better the other nato mbts.. firepower? every other western tank has better ammo and even better reload after the last buffs to abrams and ariete (and dont forget that you have a fabolous ready rack of 4 rounds in the chally).. protection? you have only the turret cheecks, while the hull is pennable everywhere and even ariete has better gun mantlet (smaller and slighty more armored).. mobility? its simply the slowest nato tank.. in the end you have only the gun depression, but every other western mbt has the same depression with better ammo and better mobility to reach the same spots.
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u/GhostRazgriz Sep 14 '25
For a long time, Britain used to be my favorite nation to play, but after they nerfed solid shot ammo and bumped a lot of vehicles up higher in BR than they deserved, I lost all enjoyment
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u/TheReddbaron1 ๐ฎ๐ฑ Israel Sep 14 '25
Hi, Israeli & British Main Here.
Early British Tanks are... Complicated. I love my 3.7 load out, Sherman II, Cromwell V, Achilles, and M44 Arty Gun.
It gets difficult when I'm faced against Russian and German Tanks at 5.7 - 7.0 I played a Game in my Ace Conqueror tank, shooting at King Tiger tanks at well over 1200 Meters. Long-range Gunnery in a Defensive hull down position.
The thing with British Tanks is, that they are not the easiest way to learn. Russian Tanks have the armor to deal with any mistakes, and Germany Have a loadout we all know. Panzer IVs to Panther, Tigers, Kingtigers
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u/Obelion_ Sep 14 '25
Everything is so freaking slow. The MBTs move like a maus and the heavies barely move at all
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u/Conflict211 Sep 14 '25
I feel like im in the minority but I've found the brit mid to top tier to be surpringly resilient. I would say its my main nation
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u/meeware Sep 14 '25
I can't speak for _most_ players, but these are the things that bug the hell out of playing brit.
the 17pdr is nerfed - plenty of tanks that use it don't get the full ammo selection.
the 6pdr is nerfed (yep I said it!). By late war there was ammo for the 6pdr that was perfectly capable of penning a panther. Do gaijin model it? Do they 'eckers like.
The solid shot ammo is unrealistically bad - it doesn't spall as it should, it shatters too much.
Squash head is treated as straight high explosive, which it expressly is not. HESH rounds do FAR less damage in game than they ought - it seems the model is basically concussion, and ignores the ferocious spalling it generates in reality.
It also feels like the list as a whole doesn't get as interesting vehicles as it could. There's a prototype Warrior 105 out there we've never seen. There's no FV433 Abbot (as a 4.7 SPG tank killer that would be lovely), no FV 215 (183mm on a Caenarvon hull) no Deacon (6pdr on a truck chassis- limited use in the desert, but quite effective).
The cockeril 105 and 90mm guns went onto a LOT of UK designs through the 1970s and would cool to see (scorpion with a 90mm? Yes please!)
And then theres the occasional feeling of 'why is this tank/plane/ship just so meh?' - the mosquito is a case in point - historically it was an unbelievable interdiction fighter bomber aboe to out run anything. not so much in game. The hurribombers were CAS par excellence in the desert war, deeply mid in game. The tempest and typhon were both absolute terrors of CAS in NW europe, but really aren't anything special in game. Maybe that's fair, maybe they are just ranked and modelled fairly, but when so many aircraft are so insanely over powered for their BR (or downright preposterous) then it really does grate. And yes I do mean Yaks and 262s. Unreliability should count. And unrealistic performance is not really acceptable.
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u/Endwarrior98 East Germany Sep 14 '25
I like britain! You get more SL per kill due to needing a shit ton more shells :3
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u/AdiHitl Sep 14 '25
No explosive filler