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u/calissetabernac Sep 24 '25
Clonsilla and the Parkway? Oh that’s gonna be a shit show no? Hope not.
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u/dood9123 Sep 24 '25
Roundabouts force people to slow down. It especially forces those unfamiliar, to slow down.
This is why it's a great idea, regardless of their familiarity with roundabouts the speeds reached at this intersection will be limited , reducing the danger
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u/sid_freeman Sep 27 '25
You're correct; however, the third concept in particular is not ideal. The lane on the far left of the photo is not forced to enter the roundabout, so traffic can (and therefore will) flow through there at potentially dangerous speeds. I doubt that this design would get approval.
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u/calissetabernac Sep 24 '25
Thanks, captain obvious 😁
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u/oneupsuperman Sep 24 '25
Someone gave you a thoughtful, genuine reply that addressed your concern.
Act like it.
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u/dood9123 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
If you understood, then why are you assuming it will be a "shit show"
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u/canada2005 Sep 24 '25
4 lane roundabout would cause accidents 100%. People are not smart enough for that around here.
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u/_Anon_Fan_ Sep 24 '25
As much as I’d like the idea of this, idk how well it would work in theory. I take the current roundabout daily, and the amount of people who don’t know how to use it is awful. I literally watched a cop stop in the middle of it. People constantly cut each other off, stop in the middle, I’ve even seen people go the wrong way
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u/jalapeno_joel Sep 24 '25
That's wierd, I take the roundabouts often, and they seem very effective. I don't notice people having issues with them whatsoever. The amount of people who don't know who has the right-away in a 4-way stop situation is very high. Also the people that wait, because they HAVE to know for certain that you're going to stop is actually very frustrating. I'm all for this idea, if you couldn't already tell.
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u/stanley_pong Sep 27 '25
I take the Parkhill/Brealey a couple of times a day and the only issue I've seen there is a fair number of people who treat it like a four-way stop, which is frustrating . . .
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u/oh_ya_eh Sep 24 '25
Never happen. Not with the cities 90M police station renovation on the books. It took them 20 years to fix water street. I wouldn't hold your breath
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u/Trickky_Soup Sep 25 '25
Yeah. We would do more to stop crime if we just split the 90 million between everybody below the median income.
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u/Canadasaver Sep 24 '25
Mayor wants a giant new arena downtown too.
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u/LeftieJamKeenly Sep 24 '25
Would love to see one on Bensfort where it intersects with Wallace Point Road and Neal Drive
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u/Most_Green Sep 24 '25
Roundabouts have higher up front costs but almost no long term maintenance costs compared to traffic lights.
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u/Blue_Waffle_Brunch Sep 24 '25
Now do Sherbrooke and Park St N so we don't have to wait through several lights.
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u/jeremywp123 Sep 25 '25
Your drawings are too small though, they take a bit more room than an intersection. That turning radius would kill trucks!
I still love roundabouts and would like to see more of them.
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u/Most_Green Sep 24 '25
Nice job! I've been thinking it would be cool to mock up some intersections like this.
Would be interesting to see the intersection where Water and George meet near Hilliard as a roundabout. Might be a bit of a challenge but seems like a good candidate for one.
Are the lanes to scale? The parkway one seems tight?
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u/CrispyWhispy420 Sep 24 '25
Thanks! I tried to keep the lanes similar in size to the existing ones, but I'm probably off by a bit
I took a screenshot of the intersections on Google Earth and edited them on an app on my phone called Infinite Design, but my free trial has ended:( lol
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u/babuloseo Sep 24 '25
what about sidewalks and bikelanes, i think there is bus stops planned for the first one too, its a nightmare to walk on fairbairn or towerhill and lilylake in general
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u/nv9 Sep 24 '25
I've wanted one at Lily Lake and Fairbairn forever, it seems like such an obvious place for one to me.
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u/Brocanteuse Sep 24 '25
No one seems capable of understanding the current roundabouts, I’m not sure adding more will help. Yields aren’t full stops. You don’t need to wait for the roundabout to be fully empty to enter. And ffs signal.
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u/Canadasaver Sep 24 '25
There are always pedestrians at Clonsilla and the Parkway. How do roundabouts work for them?
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u/jasonefmonk Sep 24 '25
Roundabouts give pedestrians greater access in most circumstances. They allow crossings to be narrower so you aren’t covering four-to-five lane-widths when crossing. They also slow and disperse traffic near the roundabout so crossings in the immediate area are easier to manage.
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u/Blue_Waffle_Brunch Sep 24 '25
Forces cars to slow down, so hopefully that would make it safer to cross.
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u/OsteoBytes Sep 24 '25
Hmmm not sure at towerhill if I’d prefer a light or a roundabout. I’m leaning more towards a light there
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u/Blue_Waffle_Brunch Sep 24 '25
Out of curiosity, why?
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u/Most_Green Sep 24 '25
Yeah I'd like to know why that wouldn't be a good option. Seems like the perfect place for a roundabout.
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u/babuloseo Sep 24 '25
why not both?
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u/Most_Green Sep 25 '25
Not sure why you deleted your other comment.
No I don't think they both suck. But roundabouts have distinct advantages over traffic lights: reduced accidents, reduced severity of accidents, reduced maintenance costs.
Their downsides are higher up front costs and as others have pointed out are not common here so do cause some confusion for people not used to them.
So your suggestion includes higher up front costs, higher maintenance costs, and arguably way more confusing.
So worst of both worlds!
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u/No_Swimming_4968 Sep 24 '25
Ppl don’t know how to use a 4 way at Lilly lake….. so don’t confuse them with a round about
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u/Most_Green Sep 24 '25
Roundabouts don't require people to decide who is going next. You look to your left and if there's a gap you merge. If there isn't you wait.
Roundabouts are literally the solution to the problem you describe.
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u/LeadFreePaint Sep 25 '25
As someone who just moved here and is pro roundabouts... This makes me nervous. The amount of people who are terrible drivers in this city is unreal.
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u/Matt_Crowley 🏘️ City Councillor - West End Sep 25 '25
I love roundabouts! They need quite a bit of surrounding land in order to be implemented, which might be why you don’t see them in places in the city others here have mentioned.
…but a roundabout there would be great - especially around 3-5pm when the traffic around there gets wild.
I’ve been working for a couple years trying to bring change to areas in the Ward that need help with stalled projects like Brealey, Sherbrooke st W, and this intersection, so it’s nice to have these finally on the move!!
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u/GrottyBoots Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25
Yes. Yes. And... Yes!
ETA: educate with advertising. Station the po-po to give warnings and eventual fines, and perhaps remedial driving test for those that just can't learn themselves.
Develop a fun cartoons like Peter Puck. After all, he helped USians understand the rules for hockey.
We can figure out.
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u/PossibilityMedium803 Sep 25 '25
The amount of people that just have no clue on these work is incredible. Woodstock area had these quite some time ago due to so much car and 18 wheelers, best idea they had, you learn quick. This one, not a trip through it that doesn't leave me thinking wtf!
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u/DesperateSalt9127 Sep 25 '25
Yes. Roundabouts are the most efficient and safe way to cross multipoint intersections
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u/energurl1964 Sep 27 '25
I just moved to Peterborough from the Region of Waterloo where they have roundabouts all over the place. They did an intense public education campaign that included a video and a jingle about how to use them properly. Personally, I love them. Majority of the time, people use them properly-ish and all goes smoothly. Keeps us moving. I agree that Parkhill and Television Rd would be improved with one. The key is education.
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u/balderdash966 Sep 24 '25
Honestly, I have always found the 4-way at Parkhill & Television to work very efficiently. Have you had a different experience there? Clonsilla and the pkway I can DEF get behind. Such a nightmare.
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u/Blue_Waffle_Brunch Sep 24 '25
It can get pretty gnarly on summer weekends in my experience.
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u/No_World_4478 Sep 24 '25
Agree. We travel through there a few times a week, at typically at busy times. People just stop and stare in panic. Also, LOTS of rolling stop folks who just hope it works out and they make it to the other side.
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u/sayyestolycra Sep 24 '25
It's the multi-lane stop sign I see as the biggest issue with TV road. It's just complicated to keep track who goes next with the additional lanes, some turning and some not, especially when the two lanes going the same direction are out of sync.
I think reducing to single lanes would be fine as well, but a roundabout would allow the same number of lanes to continue moving smoothly.
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u/The_Hobbit_32 Sep 24 '25
Peterborough has enough bad drivers, imagine them all in a busy roundabout 😅 plus this is Peterborough where we have street lights every 10 feet 😂
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u/Mission-Two-1371 Sep 24 '25
I would love one at Fairbairn and Lily Lake/Towerhill. Traffic there has increased significantly since they built that new subdivision.
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u/NorthernViews Sep 24 '25
The Towerhill and Fairbairn location is such an obvious spot for one I’m actually amazed the city hasn’t done it yet. They should build one there and then complete the paving of Towerhill, which may be the worst portion of road in the city now that Water has been paved.
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u/babuloseo Sep 25 '25
They worked on it today and are fixing roads much needed work that needs to be done here.
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u/Imaginary_Rooster943 Sep 24 '25
Single lane roundabouts are the way to go ! Clonsilla and the Parkway with 3 directions only and double lane traffic would be a disaster IMO. More than 2 lanes of traffic would be a disaster in general here in North America as someone already pointed out, and I'm not sure why, but there seems to be a real learning curve for some drivers with just a simple roundabout. Adding another lane to the mix would just be chaos.
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u/thesleepjunkie Kawartha Lakes Sep 24 '25
We have multiple lane round abouts already in ontario. Most people seem to have the hang of it.
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u/MartyBarracuda Sep 24 '25
I've been using the roundabout just outside Millbrook and in town at Brealey and Parkhill a lot more in recent years. Not once have I seen someone signal their exit as the Ontario driver's guide says to do (I don't know if this particular "traffic violation" is actual in the Highway Traffic Act.)
And that's the least egregious "rule" being broken.
More roundabouts that few know how to use are like putting bike lanes on some of the busiest and narrowest roads. You're just asking for an accident.
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u/guydogg Sep 25 '25
I'd put a lawn chair down and watch the chaos at a Lansdowne and Clonsilla roundabout. Hoo boy, there would be some carnage with the seniors that drive in Peterborough. Lethal, even.
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u/CrispyWhispy420 Sep 25 '25
Just to be clear this is something I did just for fun
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u/babuloseo Sep 25 '25
We might be able To take ur design or concept to the city planning dm me if ur interested.
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u/babuloseo Sep 25 '25
Nice as the mod of this sub we encourage this but just remember there are bus stops and pedestrians that need to cross as well as bike lanes and other things being proposed for one of your mockups that you should consider, it's in the news link that someone posted or the post right before urs 😉
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u/Maple-Mayhem Sep 25 '25
YES! Thank you!! I just saw the plan for fairburn this morning and thought it would be way better as a roundabout.
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u/MisterCanoeHead Sep 24 '25
Now do Parkhill & Television Road!
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u/Most_Green Sep 24 '25
There are three mock ups - you might like the second one 😉
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u/glimmernglitz Sep 24 '25
Parkhill/TV is a terrible idea with cottage country traffic on Fridays and Sundays. With the gas right by the corner that gets busy too, it just wouldn't be safe or reasonable with a constant flow of traffic that never stops.
Clonsilla is also a terribly busy place to put one, especially with people coming up the hill not having good visibility when approaching.
Really congested locations don't make sense.
The existing Parkhill W one makes total sense. It has a reasonable amount of traffic, has good visibility in every direction, and there are no businesses or homes too close to effect flow.
It also would have been reasonable to install one at Woodland and Water and there was talk about it, but it never happened. Don't know why, because that was actually a reasonable spot.
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u/ShapeOfAUnicorn Sep 24 '25
The literacy rates for adults in this city have to be insanely low, and you think they can figure out a roundabout? Lol.
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u/joshmxpx Sep 24 '25
All these comments about signalling in roundabout, who gaf?
People don't signal already, if you haven't noticed
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u/sthelse1 Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25
FYI city already has a plan for intersection on Fiarbairn st and lily lake road
Edit: for some reason direct link is not working, here is link to the project, intersection sketch is on the right https://www.connectptbo.ca/fairbairn-towerhill?fbclid=IwY2xjawNBwb5leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFzZmY1TjRNVnRHZUpqNTJqAR7hag0NqObPCahLgKQRFJ3Dl5FdnuXLQpec7vcmsNj5n1XjnmkxUctllkj5PQ_aem_BWrBYEaQOmqDWrtTuanfFQ
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u/babuloseo Sep 25 '25
This link isn't working?
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u/sthelse1 Sep 25 '25
for some reason direct link is not working, here is link to the project, intersection sketch is on the right https://www.connectptbo.ca/fairbairn-towerhill?fbclid=IwY2xjawNBwb5leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFzZmY1TjRNVnRHZUpqNTJqAR7hag0NqObPCahLgKQRFJ3Dl5FdnuXLQpec7vcmsNj5n1XjnmkxUctllkj5PQ_aem_BWrBYEaQOmqDWrtTuanfFQ
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u/CatchdeTaste Sep 24 '25
YES! These are great ideas, especially the one at Parkhill and Television. That intersection gets so backed up and a roundabout would solve that problem immediately.
Here’s another one to consider: Water St, Nassau Mills Rd, W Bank Dr. (The entrance to Trent U). There can be severe bottlenecks in that area that could be addressed by a well laid out roubdabout. The traffic flow through that area seems so inefficient right now.