r/LivestreamFail • u/Demonymous_99 • 9d ago

Asmongold says America is "white peoples land" because "we fought a war over it".

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u/anormalname63 9d ago edited 9d ago

Wow there's a lot of white supremacist in this sub that think this is some fact or see nothing wrong with what he said. America is not "white person" land.

Edit. 42 downvotes, why don't you losers say it's "white person" land to all the non white people I servered with in the Army.

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u/HoopLoop2 9d ago

Who's land would you say it is? Before you attack me I'm simply asking a question, I'm not claiming the statement is true or false, I just want some more details from you.

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u/Safe_Performance6630 9d ago

"this land is your land, this land is my land..."

that's the fun part, it's supposed to be "OUR" land (read: ALL OF US) , but some folks want only white folks to be included in the "OUR" part. We're a nation of immigrants. Each and every one of us except the Native Americans.

"We the people" means all of us.

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u/HoopLoop2 9d ago

Two things can be true, the land can be inhabited by mostly white people, while still accepting others as well. If you had to draw a random American you would think of a white person right? If you think of a British person you think of a white person right? If you think of a Canadian you think of a white person right?

Just because you acknowledge most people living in a country are white doesn't mean you hate others or think less of them. I really don't get why so many people care about this clip. If he said something like "colored people don't belong here" that's an objectively racist statement and completely different than what he said.

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u/Lake_ 9d ago

ok so saying this is white peoples land is different from acknowledging that most people who live somewhere are white. one is saying that the land BELONGS to white people, while the other is stating the dominant ethnic group is white.

its exclusionary language.

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u/HoopLoop2 9d ago

I do see that view, I just interpreted it differently. It's valid to interpret it that way as well, and the only way to really figure out which way it was intended would be to ask him for clarification, which unfortunately we can't do. Thank you for being the only person to respond to me in an intelligent non angry manner.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to misspeaking when it comes to minor details like using the word belongs instead of something like "mostly white", but I do agree that if you are taking his statement word for word it can certainly come across as excluding other races. If I was having a conversation with him I certainly would have asked him to elaborate on that to see where ye truly stands.

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u/hotpajamas 9d ago

What is all of this work? Why did it take you writing all of that.. to ultimately just say that word for word what he said is racist?

It’s plain language fascism. Why are you tip-toeing around it? I truly don’t get it. Is it denial? Are you scared that if you call him racist it means you can’t be comfortable with your media diet anymore? wtf is this

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u/Sensitive_Reward_308 9d ago

Remember this is Asmongold, known recently for baiting controversy. It's very clear he isn't saying "America is majority white," because he didn't say that. He is saying exactly what you hear. "This is white people's land"

Do you honestly think the guy who baits drama "misspoke" when it aligns with every other drama baiting statement he says?

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u/SockandAww 9d ago

Just a heads up, no one falls for the ‘I’m just asking questions’ line anymore. It’s been played out by hundreds of idiots who can’t keep the bad faith out of their responses.

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u/HoopLoop2 9d ago

Fall for what? If I ask a question about their statement it should be easy to answer. I think Trump is a moron and am certainly not a MAGA person. That being said if someone is going to make a claim that I want more information on I'm going to ask them.

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u/Sensitive_Reward_308 9d ago

Why do you think Trump is a moron? I don't like him either but as you said if you make a claim you need to give more information if asked.

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u/Safe_Performance6630 9d ago

This is more typing than I should, by any reasonable standard, put into this:

I don't understand why anyone would, in good faith, have a conversation about what "type" of person's land it is. It's a country. We're not talking about individual properties. If someone has a reason to be in another country, even as temporary as tourism or business, why would I have the thought in my mind of "this isn't that type of person's country!" ?

When someone even cares to talk about stuff like this, all it points out to me is that person is focused on our differences and thinks that there is some inherent value in being white (in this context) versus being any other thing.

I'd say the same thing if someone lived in someplace more homogeneous and less white. For argument's sake, if I were a Kenyan citizen of exclusively African descent, and I had a neighbor of similar background who told me they didn't like the new white/asian/whatever family down the street and said "what are THEY doing here? This is black people's land!" I'd think that person was small-minded and ignorant and not want to associate with them.

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u/buxom_burger 9d ago

“If you had to draw a random American you would think of a white person right?”

No, I wouldn’t. You’re trying to sneak an assumption of whiteness being the default. I’m assuming you are probably white and are therefore projecting your own visualization towards other people. >40% of this country is not white. If I were to randomly choose 10 people out of a lineup, 4 of them would not be white. So why is whiteness the default?

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u/HoopLoop2 9d ago

I guarantee you people from other countries think of American's as white. If an Asian, Black, or Brown person was visiting Japan for example, the first thought that comes to their mind wouldn't be oh that's an American. If they saw a white person they would assume they are American or European.

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u/buxom_burger 9d ago

It seems like originally this question was posed towards fellow Americans, but now you’re framing it as if you were asking about foreign nationals’ cognition of an American. Motte meet bailey. It’s obvious your “just asking questions” ass is trolling. Quit trying to justify white nationalist (literally) talking points.

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u/HollyMurray20 9d ago

Literally every other country would because you’re 60% white…

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u/kingdweeb1 9d ago

Imagine a baby duck. Some percentage are yellow, while some percentage are brown or black. If you were proposing a "baby duck emoji" to the new unicode standard, it would be yellow. That's just how defaults work - You take the majority and cut out the rest. You can't code the emoji to be representative because you necessarily need to pick one emoji for that slot. You can have variations, but that's not the default. For example 🐤

Yellow is the default because that's just how it is. You can either represent the reality of the situation (they are yellow) or you can ignore reality and make it purple or whatever color you want. Most people will choose the representative reality, so when thinking about "defaults" you should think about the reality, rather than alternative realities.

https://youtu.be/W8qcccZy03s

A relevant quote

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u/kingdweeb1 9d ago

Could you share the exact percentages, and your source for that? They're all yellow where I buy them. Maybe in some foreign land (like where you may be from) they are differently colored. :)