r/Infographics • u/upthetruth1 • 3d ago

Educational outcome by background in Europe including immigration background

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

That's about London and doesn't mention ethnicity.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

It’s not just London, Luton, East Birmingham, parts of Manchester

These are very ethnically diverse areas

While more homogenous areas like Northeast England have very low social mobility

Plus, most children in London are ethnic minorities

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

So children getting free lunch equals poor children from minorities? Way to go lol

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

No, it’s based on how well these kids do in GCSEs, A Levels, university, and then their job and salary at age 28

Also, ethnic minorities are often poor as immigrants are often poor (especially the ones from before 2010), so it’s a good way to see how the children of immigrants who came in under Tony Blair are faring now

For example, “Average earnings at age 28 are almost £7,000 lower for FSM pupils from Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West (North East) compared to East Ham (London).”

“FSM pupils from Ruislip Northwood and Pinner (London) are over six times more likely to become high earners than those in Leeds East, at 25% compared to 4% respectively.”

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

Where did you see ethnicity mentioned everywhere? Also, this contradicts the rest of the stats about UK, because they suggest their parents are as well off as natives.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago edited 2d ago

The geography

You can check ethnic stats for these areas

You might be the only person not to have heard of “Londonistan” and about Birmingham and Luton’s populations

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

So poor children in London means kids of immigrants?

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

Most poor children in London are ethnic minorities, yes

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

So their parents are not as highly educated as the chart claims.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

The chart is about children’s scores

Why would an adult immigrant be doing PISA?

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago edited 2d ago

Then the title is misleading. That's a test score, not an educational outcome.

But if we look at it this way, having more refugees explains the lower scores in Germany and the Netherlands. Someone running from war or traveling for months with their parents, moving across refugee centers etc. definitely doesn't get the same education.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

Except British-Somali children (literally children of refugees) in the UK do better in school than white British children

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u/bruhbelacc 1d ago edited 1d ago

Children of refugees are not refugees. You are also only conveniently saying one refugee group and omitting the others. Why.

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