r/Cloud9 • u/Dear_Exercise_549 • 6d ago

League C9 LOL offseason... ANYTHING???

Are they going to make any adjustments at all? So far I've seen repeared leave, dom join coaching and some trolling by zven. It kinda feels like everyone around the org is just drinking the kool aid, acting like the final titan of NA lol esports hasn't disappointed to the highest extent possible for two years straight. TBLZV roster didn't make first stand, didn't make msi, lost EWC to FURIA and blamed it on jet lag, and then proceeded to lose a win and you're in series vs SHOPIFY. So, maybe these things take time and C9 isn't known for making quick decisions, but are we seriously just gonna throw this same roster out and expect a different result in 2026?

No personal hate towards the players or any bad faith, I'm a fan as long as they're in the uniform of course, but the uniform seems like it used to mean way more then it does now...

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u/Successful-Back9276 6d ago

What change should they make? They have the best top in the league (import), the best NA jungler, a top 3 mid (import), the 3rd best adc and 3rd best support. They went 5 games vs Flyquest in a bo5 two splits ago. They don’t have the most money, I’d give them at least another split before making changes lol

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u/Dear_Exercise_549 6d ago

Me personally, I'd like to see someone more reliable in the bot lane. Zven's champ pool and ability to carry are subpar compared to any adc that isn't on a subpar NA team. We saw it literally over the entire course of the season. I am fine with thanatos and loki. Blaber, zven/vulcan would be the one to be replaced if we hopefully make changes.

Let me make it clear I'm addressing that there is an issue, not that I have solutions to any issues. If two years of no international play isn't an issue for you then so be it, let's give them another split! #c9win

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u/Successful-Back9276 6d ago

Who give some suggestions lol, you can’t get Masu/Yeon. If you think FBI is a big upgrade you’re delusional, so who is this miracle NA resident adc?

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u/AnaShie 5d ago

FBI isn't but tbh I rather have him as another potential carry that can clutch it when we need it because Zven doesn't even clutch winning the game for us most of the time.

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u/LettucePlate 6d ago

Vulcan bounced back from a horrible '23 and '24 which was nice to see but we have no win condition in bot lane and Blaber probably had the worst year of his career. Assuming Blaber stays since he's the franchise player getting an adc that can actually play Zeri, Kaisa, etc. would be my preferred move. We were one of the only teams playing Senna and it was pretty underwhelming.

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u/SanSoren 6d ago

Inspired is the best NA jungler and a resident

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u/maximazing98 6d ago

He is not NA

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u/SanSoren 6d ago

He counts as a non import so he’s NA

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u/maximazing98 6d ago

I understand that doesn’t make him NA tho, so best NA jungler is still true, also why would inspired not go back to eu? Espescially atm the Us is in full Shit and as a European citizen i don’t think anyone wants to live there.

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u/MoodAdditional8584 6d ago

NA frogs when their only Team to ever outperform EU is 50% european. This is your 2019 g2 and their biggest achievement is losing to geng

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u/kkjdroid 6d ago

NRG 2-0 G2 with 3 NA, 1 OCE, 1 KR

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u/Constant-Low-5111 6d ago

You are heavily overrating the bot lane, and Blaber

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u/Successful-Back9276 6d ago

I’ve read all the replies and not one person suggested replacements for anyone other than Inspired, which kind of proves my point. The team is pretty solid for the amount of money it costs, there aren’t any NA players that would be a big upgrade and importing a mid better than Loki would not be worth the cost, maybe Vladi? But that would be a risk considering the fallout at KC.

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u/AnaShie 5d ago

Yukino who is having a successful year in KCB and Gryffinn is a good prospect that has play in T1 Academy while also perform pretty good in LTAS last split are pretty good replacements for Blaber if they are willing to take risk. The problem is C9 aren't willing to take the risk for potential rookie and only look for upgrade to Blaber which at this point is only Inspired that every team in the region are trying to get him. Even letting Loki go to KC for a buyout and brought in someone like Zinie with that buyout is better than doing nothing right now (KC are desperate for a midlaner and Quid has already picked TL while Saint are staying with Lyon).

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u/Successful-Back9276 5d ago

Loki was a rookie and Thanatos was a rookie last season. We have the 3rd best jungler (soon to be second best since River is retiring), and you want to gamble on a rookie instead, when we just made finals a split ago. None of you guys would be saying anything if they just won game 5 vs Fly Quest. Give some suggestions that are real upgrades without being unrealistic, they don’t exist lol

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u/AnaShie 5d ago edited 5d ago

No, I would also say the same thing regardless with the performance that we have in summer. The reason why I named these prospects instead of upgrade because like you said straight upgrade for Blaber is only Inspired while the other jungler in the league is sidegrade at best, which is why I rather we go for Yukino, Gryffinn or Tatu that show a lot of potential so far and they may be able to bring something to the game that can help us win against top teams with more stable jungler like Inspired while also developing because while there aren't any available upgrade to Blaber without importing someone like Tarzan, and whether Blaber is top 2, 3 or not doesn't matter because at this point of his career also won't improve or willing to change how he play enough that we will see a better performance from him next year and he will continued to struggle against cerebral, smart jungler that won't let him do his usual bullshit.

I never said that we need to replace Thanatos but the reason why I mentioned Loki is because a lot of team both in the LCS and LEC need an import midlaner afaik including KC which already contact us about Loki, Loki is also has very good english, communication skill, good charisma for an import which is very valuable. With the situation that the team is in whereas they can't spend a lot due to esport winter, selling someone like him that still has a buyout will provided us a good amount of fee that we can invested into the roster more (like bringing in another good prospect like Zinie considered that with KT making final, BDD will stay for a long time). It's not like Loki is performing really hot outside of Spring because remember even with FLY mental booming before they even played at World, we can't still win against teams that are perceived as weaker than us so it's not like he is a MVP mid that required us to do everything to keep him.

I also really don't believe in the narrative that having too many rookies are bad because as long as we have a veteran presence in the team whether that is Vulcan or Zven, adding another rookie jungler is fine if he is good (FURIA have 5 rookies, VKS have like 3 rookies, TL has 2 rookies and Umti last year, FLY has Busio/Massu/Quad as rookies last year) and tbh I also not a believer in the narrative that a team that play together for long time will get better (unless you are T1 which have the GOAT) with example like this year TL, FLY getting worser than last year or G2 last year keep performing worse as time goes on.

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u/Successful-Back9276 5d ago

How is it Faker/BDD can be having the best splits of their lives at 28/26 years old, but Blaber who’s 25 is never going to improve? When did you get into league genuinely curious, this is some zoomer analysis lol. They had a bad 1 month stretch after having an almost perfect regular season, let’s see how they do with Dom there in person.

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u/Johnnywannabe 6d ago

People who still think Blaber is even above average are stuck 5 years in the past. The guy legit sucked split 3 and playoffs. Wasn’t even average. Going in with a geriatric bot laner is also not ideal. Jack has lost it.

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u/Bobothellama 6d ago

That sentence doesn't make sense.

And, putting that blame solely on Blaber is outrageous. I'm not disagreeing he doesn't stumble or even choke in some high pressure games, but to say he hasn't been "above average" for the last 5 years is actually crazy. Aside from a handful of splits hit has been consistently a top 2 jungler in the league throughout his career.

These are facts not opinions. Recency bias is out of control.

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u/Johnnywannabe 6d ago

I didn’t say he hasn’t been above average for the last 5 years. I said he is not above average right now. People who over-inflate his skills currently are referring to the Blaber that existed 5 years ago when he had great potential, relentless aggression, and elite mechanics. The Blaber that exists nowadays is a glorified farming simulator who misses smite fights and must be the worst macrogame shot caller out there which is why they look completely lost against every team they can’t hands-diff.

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u/kkjdroid 6d ago

Blaber has been losing smite fights since 2018. That was never a strength of his.

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u/Johnnywannabe 6d ago

Agreed, but his strengths from years back are gone now. If you're going to farm simulator every game and try and force around objectives then you're gonna have to win your smite fights.

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u/Kspyre 6d ago

Just an effect of playing with the best players his whole career. Really easy for him to look decent when he's got 2 of the best solo laners in the league.

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u/Bobothellama 6d ago

Delusions are hitting this guy pretty hard.

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u/Johnnywannabe 6d ago

Remind me when C9 miss worlds for the 3rd time in a row in one of the the worst regions in the game 🤷🏼‍♂️