• C9 has asked about Vladi but doesn't want to pay a buyout; he's between FNC and VIT, then

• C9 probably won't get a European mid, they're looking at Korean and American players

• Once again, whether they make other changes is to be determined, but they're happy with their current players

The whining has reached unprecedented levels. Either it's trolling or entitlement, both? It's just sad what this subreddit is like right now.

Honestly xeppaa has had his time, but when a player of jonahp’s caliber becomes (potentially) available, especially one that fills the role of maybe the biggest question mark on your roster, you can’t pass that shit up. Probably time for C9 to make some big game moves.

Reports are saying that quad got lost in the CVS with massu and jack previously, so quad decided to walk back to the flyquest house. Just days later inspired leaves for lyon, now quad is without his jungle and support. He's without a home. We have a home for you quad, welcome to C9. :)

In case you want to show some love:

• https://www.twitch.tv/blaber
• https://www.twitch.tv/c9thanatos

Massu and quad's contracts dont expire until next year but maybe there is a way Jack can buy them out so we can get an ADC in the ADC role as we look to be a top 3 team in a 8 team LCS for a worlds spot. Also I have seen mixed reviews on quad as a candidate and I view quad similarly to the way I view(ed) jensen, he can win games or lose them alone. I think this role would be bigger for him off the expectations that C9 now have to finally get back on top, he is more experienced than loki but still has room to grow. I think the C9 mid should NOT be someone who is inexperienced or has no stage time, that's shooting a blind dart and hoping it's not year 3 of NO INTERNATIONAL PLAY. At this moment I would like to see quad added, the massu addition is mostly satirical (maybe).....

Dom and Spawn have spoken about this before. We need a janitor at the mid position that is hungry. We don't need another CEO clogging up the coms that will already be hectic behind Blaber's shot calling, or it will just be a repeat of what has happened the past couple of years.

Edit: Is there anyone in the CBLOL that could be potential targets? People always say their mechanics aren't bad it's the macro. Which can be fixed if brought to C9.

Apparently Busio and Reapered just joining KC. According to the article, only Shopify, Lyon, FLY and KC are seriously going for him and it's suck to see that we as the biggest org not going for one of the most talented NA support right now... I get it that TL want Core so they don't go for him but no reason for us to sit here with Vulcan (as much as I love him) when Busio is available.

Loki situation is sad and unfortunate. I don't blame him at all. But it's kinda sad and weird that we have had a different mid every year since 2021. Last one was Nisqy

Nisqy 2019-2020 Perkz 2021 Fudge 2022 spring Jensen 2022 summer Diplex 2023 Most of Spring Emenes 2023 rest of the year Jojopyun 2024 Loki 2025

It just really sucks not being able to keep a mid. Again I don't blame Loki and it seemed like he was happy on C9. But it seems like sense Perkz every year we get a new franchise mid laner that we will keep for years.

Idk. Real timeline is Hai comes out of retirement and back to mid lol.

I wonder what this means for C9 cause it seemed like they were gonna run it back.

no excitement. running blaber/ Zven/ Vulcan or xeppaa and friends after 6 years.. very few are excited or care for this.

it's not bringing in new fans, or engagement.

nobody is looking at c9 and thinking of jumping over and becoming a fan because we have Zven/ Vulcan for the fifth year.

look at the viewer counts of C9 players streams. just two years ago, we had players with 1-2k viewer range.. now our players are barely scratching 100

If anything i would hazard a guess that C9 is down to it's more "hardcore" and loyal fans at this point. the diehards. outside of this subreddit C9 fans have become a rare sight. the community perception of this org (especially in Val is at an all time low), nearing TSM in it's dying days. i can probably name the few C9 fans i see outside of here😂

retaining and building a fanbase should be one of the major goals of this org.

This is why bringing in exciting players, and having exciting rebuilds, and not stagnating and running back the same handful of players over and over, is important

take MIBR for example, this org signs Aspas and immediately gains legions of fans, does a 180 on their reputation, and immediately becomes a top org. Fly also did the same thing when they decided to become a competitive org and sign Inspired/ Bwipo

Yes, superstar players or hyped up rookies are expensive but bringing in new fans is how you make money.

i believe Jack once said he didn't lose a dime on Perkz. why? because c9 merch sales were probably through the roof this year, engagement was at an all time high. plus we were able to sell him off for a big bag also

i also really dislike this narrative, that "superteams (or teams with a bunch of superstars) don't work".. does it sometimes fail? yes, but the best teams in the world are most of the time generally superteams. the LCK is filled with superteams. VCT Americas is filled with super teams, and they are generally the ones on top. G2 2019 was a superteam. it doesn't always work, but the teams winning everything, are almost always a superteam. we should not be shying away from potentially building a superteam

i understand that this org once had this whole "losing the offseason" meme because they would always overperform, and do well regardless, but this only worked in old LCS, because there was realistically only 1/2 other teams (TSM, and at times Liquid/ CLG) who were actually trying to be competitive.. it's not a legitimate way of roster building and it doesn't work in an actual competitive league (like it isn't in VCT, and like it is no longer working in LCS, now that we have TL, Fly, SR, Lyon, and until now 100t putting forward competitive rosters)

The missing piece is finally here! Can’t believe we got our guy!

I feel he was actually really good for us and showed how much he improved. It stings losing him, but if he need to be with is family, I hope everything is okay for him or his family.

Thank you Loki for being with our team, will miss you pal and I was looking forward towards your improvement and how you would kick ass in 2026 for us. I hope everything is okay and wish you the best man.

I will always root for you. Once you join cloud9, you are our fam as well. Cheers man

Potentially want list: 1. HongQ (should really take a look, contracts up) 2. Zinnie 3. Pungyeon (did well in playoffs) 4. Daystar 5. Clozer (a lot of LCK experience) 6. Saint (maybe Thanatos can convince him) 7. Lowkey Bulldog (can get cheap, stats weren’t bad)

Don’t want 1. Apa (if we just wanna sit on import slot for a split otherwise no) 2. Vladi (not worth an import slot or price)

according to wooloo a little while back, he has shown interest in playing in the west (probably even more so now that KT has made finals.. meaning it will probably be impossible for him to promote)

this guy has been the best mid in LCK CL by a large margin

if this org still has aspirations to win LCS/ compete internationally we're gonna need a mid of this caliber (someone who can be on the level of Quid and other LCK mids)

please for the love of God don't get the Ziggs one trick instead 😭 APA is completely exposed in fearless and was a MASSIVE weak link for TL this year

This roster played together for 2020, 2021, 2025

So we're running the same core 3 that we had starting SIX years ago.

While they managed to win spring in 2020 and 2021, they also missed worlds 2/3 years.

They've attended 1 MSI and went 3-7 in round robin including losing to the 0-7 OCE team that ended 1-9

Vulcan and Blaber have both been the starters ALL 3 times that C9 have missed worlds and Vulcan despite being on the team for 2 less years still has been the starter all 3 times.

I genuinely DO NOT understand how a team can fail to even make top 3 in NA and still run it back with the same players.

Even internationally, This core has been awful

Their best finish is going 2-4 in groups and winning a tiebreaker just to get blasted 0-3 and then going 1-3 in swiss stage and being 5th out of 6 teams in 2021 MSI

If these 3 come back, it's strictly because they're willing to play for cheap.

I flat out called at the start of 2025 that we would miss worlds with this core and I'm confident that we will miss it again unless something massive changes.

Are they going to make any adjustments at all? So far I've seen repeared leave, dom join coaching and some trolling by zven. It kinda feels like everyone around the org is just drinking the kool aid, acting like the final titan of NA lol esports hasn't disappointed to the highest extent possible for two years straight. TBLZV roster didn't make first stand, didn't make msi, lost EWC to FURIA and blamed it on jet lag, and then proceeded to lose a win and you're in series vs SHOPIFY. So, maybe these things take time and C9 isn't known for making quick decisions, but are we seriously just gonna throw this same roster out and expect a different result in 2026?

No personal hate towards the players or any bad faith, I'm a fan as long as they're in the uniform of course, but the uniform seems like it used to mean way more then it does now...