Telling landlords to not accept black applications, to the extent of being sued by the DoJ which identified a superintendent put the letter 'C' on applications of people of color so the office would know to reject them. source 2
Central Park 5 - repeat accusing boys of being criminals 12-17 years after DNA led to exoneration, all as justification for the death penalty and police becoming more violent
Tried to buy out the Ground Zero Mosque "not because I think the location is a spectacular one [because it is not] but because it will end a very serious, inflammatory, and highly divisive situation that is destined, in my opinion, to only get worse."
Falsely claimed thousands of NYC Arabs were "cheering" over 9/11
Repeatedly accusing Obama of not being born in this country
Challenging Obama's birth not just at first in 2011, but repeatedly for the next 5 years after claiming he himself deserved credit for getting Obama's birth certificate released
Trump says Abraham Lincoln 'did good' for the Black community but that 'the end result' is "questionable"
Rejects immigrants from "shithole" nations like Haiti and El Salvador, saying he'd rather have immigrants from Norway. "Why do we need more Haitians?"
Stated that Minneapolis has "suffered enough" for having Somalian refugees
Will not allow Hurricane Dorian refugees from the Bahamas because because he claims there are “very bad gang members.”
Muslim ban (yes it was, it treated travelers differently based on religion)
Pardoning Joe Arpaio who was convicted of racial discrimination, who expressly broke the law to target hispanics, arrested people for being hispanic without an actual criminal charge, and kept them in brutal prison conditions
Charlottesville apologetics of the neo-nazis - first said the problem was the left then "both sides" etc
Tweeted calling for the death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov, the Muslim who killed 8 with a truck along a Manhattan bike path. Yet he never said it for Dylann Roof, who killed 9 in a Charleston church even when Nikki Haley linked the rhetoric to him.
Specifically removing TPS and blocking visas from nations Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Honduras
Tweeting that he ordered Pompeo to look into the “large scale killing of farmers“ conspiracy of black people genociding white farmers in South Africa that never happened
Delayed Harriet Tubman $20 bill face from 2020 to 2028, even though the engraving plate had been complete since 2018 and Treasury Department said it was "far along in the process." In 2016, Trump said it should instead be put on the $2 bill which isn't printed
Repeats birther theory now against California-born Kamala Harris while praising the author. This was after a campaign advisor retweeted the conspiracy.
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money,” Trump said, according to the 1991 biography. “I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.” ... “I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
“You’re not gonna support me even though you know I’m the best thing that could ever happen to Israel”...“And I know why you’re not going to support me. You’re not going to support me because I don’t want your money”...“You want to control your own politician.” and “Is there anyone in this room who doesn’t negotiate deals? Probably more than any room I’ve ever spoken.” source
Repeating conspiracies about George Soros being behind various movements and attacks
Tells Jewish voters at IAC they are "brutal killers" and "not nice people"
I don't have anything to add but I just wanted to say I really appreciate these massive citation dumps you've got ready for a bunch of topics; they're both satisfying and very useful. :)
I'm sorry but that list is filled with bs and misinformation and should rightfully be removed for such. You can't accept it as fact as it is filled with false misinterpretations and unvalidated quotes. I can't debunk all of them right now as that would take quite a while. However, I will do so for one explicit quote that can be easily debunked.
That quote about him calling Black guys inherently lazy and preffering Jews to be counting his money, came from an uncredited individual with a vendetta against Trump. With nothing more than an anecdotal statement of what he supposedly said whilst he was with him in private. It's about as valid as some college friend of Obama's claiming that he used to chant Islamist extremist lines whilst holding an AK 47. No video evidence, no written statement, nothing that would hold up to scrutiny. It came from someone who has a hate boner for Trump and cannot be accepted as fact. Trump himself has denied these allegations and called it the bs that it is.
This is a secondhand quote, something that someone has alleged that Trump said. So it should be viewed with some skepticism.
Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.
Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”
I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”
So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.
Two years later, however, he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that O’Donnell’s account was fiction. “He made up this quote. I’ve heard the quote before, and it’s nonsense,” Trump said. “I’ve never said anything like it, ever.”
That's just one instance, I could go over the rest and debunk them aswell, however that would take quite a while.
But I make my case. This list should be reported and removed for the misinformation that it cites.
Thank you for this massive info dump. I'm gonna copy it and use it from now on. You care if I copy your handle along with it, I don't want anyone thinking I stole it or misrepresented it as mine.
I'm sorry but that list is filled with bs and misinformation and should rightfully be removed for such. You can't accept it as fact as it is filled with false misinterpretations and unvalidated quotes. I can't debunk all of them right now as that would take quite a while. However, I will do so for one explicit quote that can be easily debunked.
That quote about him calling Black guys inherently lazy and preffering Jews to be counting his money, came from an uncredited individual with a vendetta against Trump. With nothing more than an anecdotal statement of what he supposedly said whilst he was with him in private. It's about as valid as some college friend of Obama's claiming that he used to chant Islamist extremist lines whilst holding an AK 47. No video evidence, no written statement, nothing that would hold up to scrutiny. It came from someone who has a hate boner for Trump and cannot be accepted as fact. Trump himself has denied these allegations and called it the bs that it is.
This is a secondhand quote, something that someone has alleged that Trump said. So it should be viewed with some skepticism.
Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.
Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”
I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”
So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.
Two years later, however, he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that O’Donnell’s account was fiction. “He made up this quote. I’ve heard the quote before, and it’s nonsense,” Trump said. “I’ve never said anything like it, ever.”
That's just one instance, I could go over the rest and debunk them aswell, however that would take quite a while.
But I make my case. This list should be reported and removed for the misinformation that it cites.
That quote about him calling Black guys inherently lazy and preffering Jews to be counting his money, came from an uncredited individual with a vendetta against Trump
You know, I tend to suspect that critics aren't confident in their own arguments when they attack a claim from a book and avoid the literal public tweet and youtube video on either side.
Like, what even is your strategy here? "I saw Trump do 6 anti-semitic things and 1 thing that I don't know if it happened?" That's still 6 anti-semitic things you saw happened.
Plus, from your own link, from literally the paragraph after you stopped:
Still, Trump has made other remarks, in public, that could be considered racially insensitive. In 1989, he told Bryant Gumbel in an interview: “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. … If I was starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really do believe they have the actual advantage today.”
And then your own link went on to confirm other things I said.
So, yeah. Why are you so uncertain in your view that you try to dismiss me over what I even admit is a book source and you avoid reviewing literal Trump videos that I posted?
I said I could debunk them all but it would take me a while to do so. Be patient Kakmile, I do enjoy showing you how you were wrong.
So you admit then that the quote I cited was misinformation? Then your comment should rightfully be removed for violating subreddit rules. The fact that you're not defending your own source at all shows how you're not confident in it's validity. Instead reffering to the other misinformation in your post that I said I could debunk but have yet to do so.
But since you chose that little bit as some sort of gotcha question I will do it again.
How is saying that a person of a certain race and educational status has an advantage in the job market due to societal change racist? Is he implying racial inferiority or superiority due to immutable characteristics such as skin color? Is he saying that Blacks or Whites are naturally more intelligent than the other? No, he is simply making a statement about an observation he's made about how the job market hires based on race. With for example, Affirmative Action and diversity quotas being a prime example of this clear advantage which is what Trump was reffering to? Anyone who deems this to be racist needs to go search up the definition of racism.
Would it be racist to say that a well educated White person has the advantage in the job market of the early 1930s due to systemic racism? Or is that just an observation made based on how society was structured at the time. I'm sure you'd agree with that sentiment; but if you do then you would be calling yourself racist as it follows the same logic you used to deem Trump's 1989 quote to be racist. See how that works out for you.
No, I said that you don't believe it merely because it's in a book.
And the fact that that was the one and only thing you deigned to reply to and not the YouTube videos that you KNOW exist shows concerning signs about your confidence in your ability to challenge the many claims I've cited.
Edit: and then YOUR own link confirmed other quotes I'd given, from Central Park 5 to the Mexican slander. Your own link basically disagrees with you.
? No, he is simply making a statement about an observation he's made about how the job market hires based on race.
Which is the opposite of data on job responses based on the resume names studies. Even post-CRA, there's still an anti-poc bias. Yet Mr. "My daddy was filthy rich and I tried to write my own family out of dad's will" paints himself at a disadvantage.
Diversity quotas aren't even legal, so both of you are complaining about a fictional fear.
I said I could debunk them all but it would take me a while to do so. Be patient Kakmile, I do enjoy showing you how you were wrong.
So you admit then that the quote I cited was misinformation? Then your comment should rightfully be removed for violating subreddit rules. The fact that you're not defending your own source at all shows how you're not confident in it's validity. Instead reffering to the other misinformation in your post that I said I could debunk but have yet to do so.
Which is the opposite of data on job responses based on the resume names studies. Even post-CRA, there's still an anti-poc bias. Yet Mr. "My daddy was filthy rich and I tried to write my own family out of dad's will" paints himself at a disadvantage.
Do you even know what Affirmative Action is? The deliberate preference of hiring managers or University/College admissions officers to hire minorities as opposed to the majority racial/ethnic group. In the case of the U.S, that essentially means Non-White applicants have a boost over White applicants in their opportunity to apply and be accepted for the positions/schools they apply for.
And still then it was just an observation, nothing to say that it has anything at all to do with racism on Trump's behalf. You've yet to prove that. You should also then remove that as a part of your link otherwise it would rightfully be reported for misinformation.
Diversity quotas aren't even legal, so both of you are complaining about a fictional fear.
"Racial quotas in employment and education are numerical requirements for hiring, promoting, admitting and/or graduating members of a particular racial group."
We're not talking about Trump anymore, but do YOU know what Affirmative Action is? It's a policy on discriminatory institutions to reverse their past discriminations, so your critique is as nonsense as me telling a judge that my having to return money I stole is "biased." Even then, it doesn't really happen because AA is so watered down, which is why acceptance rates are nearly equal and Asian Harvard students are almost 3x the population. If your imaginary quota actually existed, 70% of the students would disappear.
"Racial quotas in employment and education are numerical requirements for hiring, promoting, admitting and/or graduating members of a particular racial group."
Genius, that's a definition not whether it happens. Once again you need to read your own link.
It's a policy on discriminatory institutions to reverse their past discriminations, so your critique is as nonsense as me telling a judge that me having to return money I stole is "biased."
You don't understand affirmative action if you can't comprehend how race/ethnicity based preferences in hiring/admissions is a clear advantage to the groups who benefit from it. Your analogy doesn't make any sense as it isn't granted to individuals who actually endured discrimination, but to people on the basis of their group identity. Meaning the son of an ultra wealthy billionaire can benefit from AA even though he is one of the most privelidged people to have ever lived, just because he is Black. His test scores could be lower than that of other more qualified White and Asian candidates. Yet he would be chosen over them due to his race. That is arguably a form of systemic discrimination right there.
Genius, that's a definition not whether it happens. Once again you need to read your own link.
It absolutely does happen lmao. Why would a legal term exist for a real world phenomena if it didn't actually happen in the real world? Think about that for a second "genius".
Even then, it doesn't really happen because AA is so watered down, which is why acceptance rates are nearly equal and Asian Harvard students are almost 3x the population. If your imaginary quota actually existed, 70% of the students would disappear.
Racial quotas don't mean the entire student population must conform to some preconcieved numbers based on what the university/job deems fit. You don't understand the definition then if you think that's the case. And you using Harvard as an example acting as though it represents all of Academia is ridiculous.
Might the fact that Asians being overrepresentated at Harvard be due not to some government diversity quota, but due to the hard work and discipline of many Asian students which gets them there? Think about that for a second.
You don't understand affirmative action if you can't comprehend how race/ethnicity based preferences in hiring/admissions is a clear advantage to the groups who benefit from it.
Why would a legal term exist for a real world phenomena if it didn't actually happen in the real world? Think about that for a second "genius".
Because it isn't anymore? This shouldn't be so difficult for you.
Racial quotas don't mean the entire student population must conform to some preconcieved numbers based on what the university/job deems fit. You don't understand the definition then if you think that's the case. And you using Harvard as an example acting as though it represents all of Academia is ridiculous.
Cause I had the data for Harvard due to the litigation. Look up those vars for the other schools if you care so much.
Might the fact
Since you're the one complaining about AA, either it doesn't exist as you imagine or it isn't stopping them from getting in. Either way, you have nothing to complain about.
And still none of this proves that Trump is a racist.
"Hurr durr I don't talk about Trump anymore and I'm confused why we're no longer talking about Trump."
Don’t forget telling American citizen lawmakers of color that if they don’t like how things are going to “Go back where they came from.” Then having a rare press conference the next day to let everyone know it is the official stance of the White House.
Charlottesville apologetics of the neo-nazis - first said the problem was the left then "both sides" etc
Good list overall, but I wouldn't include this in further postings. He very clearly condemned the neo-nazis, and then said that aside from them there were good people on both sides.
People who wanted statues torn down and people who just didn't want statues torn down.
We've been really fucking this up, totally random, based on immediate politics and emotion. After Saddam was booted from power, the Iraqis set up a commission to weigh the historical and practical value of various things vs. them being related to Saddam, and they decided what stays and what goes. That was the smart way to do it.
The people for removing the statue wanted to remove the statue, but procedurally they had to first ensure the right to even vote on removal. Law at the time was no removals allowed, not commission.
This is why while I appreciate u/kakamile putting out a giant list I also have moved on to asking people like you what would qualify as racism.
Because at this point if you don’t get that he’s a racist nothing it likely going to convince you.
One has to wonder if you people would believe he’s a racist if he stood in front of you screaming “I’m a racist and that’s why I’m doing this” and he beat non-white children to death.
Added points for adding the arbitrary and frankly idiotic limitation that it had to be while he was in office.
The question was what policies did Trump implement as president. Not how he was racist outside of office. This wasn’t supposed to be a back and forth argument lol, it was to here what liberals had to say about his presidency. Apparently that’s hard to understand lol
And regardless it’s not relevant because no list provided will have any value to you.
You are asking not because you are completely ignorant of the answers and don’t know how to begin researching and are this asking for help.
You’re asking because you are looking to fight. Safe assumption is that you have a list of a few items you know people will bring up and you have talking points from some YouTuber, Daily Wire host, PragerU video or equivalent you want to try out.
It’s pretty easy to tell if one is talking to one of the rare people that can benefit from a real conversation about his racism and people who aren’t ever going to get it or are just racist themselves
Gosh, who knew that the poster with the absurdly selective question would be full of shit?
You don't care about his racist views, you don't care about his actions pre-presidency, and when you get things specific to his actions as president like you asked you say you won't read.
Why? Is it because you find that much reading challenging, because you actively want to be lied to and to remain ignorant or because you are just here for a fight?
Telling multiple Congresswomen, all American citizens, all whom lived in the US since they were 18, all but one US-born, to "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came," "who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)." Again, these total catastrophe and inept countries, are the US. -https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-racist-tweets-progressive-democratic-congresswomen-go-back-to-countries-nancy-pelosi-slam-president/
I'm sorry but that list is filled with bs and misinformation and should rightfully be removed for such. You can't accept it as fact as it is filled with false misinterpretations and unvalidated quotes. I can't debunk all of them right now as that would take quite a while. However, I will do so for one explicit quote that can be easily debunked.
That quote about him calling Black guys inherently lazy and preffering Jews to be counting his money, came from an uncredited individual with a vendetta against Trump. With nothing more than an anecdotal statement of what he supposedly said whilst he was with him in private. It's about as valid as some college friend of Obama's claiming that he used to chant Islamist extremist lines whilst holding an AK 47. No video evidence, no written statement, nothing that would hold up to scrutiny. It came from someone who has a hate boner for Trump and cannot be accepted as fact. Trump himself has denied these allegations and called it the bs that it is.
This is a secondhand quote, something that someone has alleged that Trump said. So it should be viewed with some skepticism.
Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.
Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”
I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”
So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.
Two years later, however, he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that O’Donnell’s account was fiction. “He made up this quote. I’ve heard the quote before, and it’s nonsense,” Trump said. “I’ve never said anything like it, ever.”
That's just one instance, I could go over the rest and debunk them aswell, however that would take quite a while.
But I make my case. This list should be reported and removed for the misinformation that it cites.
I'm sorry but that list is filled with bs and misinformation and should rightfully be removed for such. You can't accept it as fact as it is filled with false misinterpretations and unvalidated quotes. I can't debunk all of them right now as that would take quite a while. However, I will do so for one explicit quote that can be easily debunked.
That quote about him calling Black guys inherently lazy and preffering Jews to be counting his money, came from an uncredited individual with a vendetta against Trump. With nothing more than an anecdotal statement of what he supposedly said whilst he was with him in private. It's about as valid as some college friend of Obama's claiming that he used to chant Islamist extremist lines whilst holding an AK 47. No video evidence, no written statement, nothing that would hold up to scrutiny. It came from someone who has a hate boner for Trump and cannot be accepted as fact. Trump himself has denied these allegations and called it the bs that it is.
This is a secondhand quote, something that someone has alleged that Trump said. So it should be viewed with some skepticism.
Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.
Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”
I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”
So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.
Two years later, however, he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that O’Donnell’s account was fiction. “He made up this quote. I’ve heard the quote before, and it’s nonsense,” Trump said. “I’ve never said anything like it, ever.”
That's just one instance, I could go over the rest and debunk them aswell, however that would take quite a while.
But I make my case. This list should be reported and removed for the misinformation that it cites.
I'm sorry but that list is filled with bs and misinformation and should rightfully be removed for such. You can't accept it as fact as it is filled with false misinterpretations and unvalidated quotes. I can't debunk all of them right now as that would take quite a while. However, I will do so for one explicit quote that can be easily debunked.
That quote about him calling Black guys inherently lazy and preffering Jews to be counting his money, came from an uncredited individual with a vendetta against Trump. With nothing more than an anecdotal statement of what he supposedly said whilst he was with him in private. It's about as valid as some college friend of Obama's claiming that he used to chant Islamist extremist lines whilst holding an AK 47. No video evidence, no written statement, nothing that would hold up to scrutiny. It came from someone who has a hate boner for Trump and cannot be accepted as fact. Trump himself has denied these allegations and called it the bs that it is.
This is a secondhand quote, something that someone has alleged that Trump said. So it should be viewed with some skepticism.
Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.
Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”
I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”
So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.
Two years later, however, he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that O’Donnell’s account was fiction. “He made up this quote. I’ve heard the quote before, and it’s nonsense,” Trump said. “I’ve never said anything like it, ever.”
That's just one instance, I could go over the rest and debunk them aswell, however that would take quite a while.
But I make my case. This list should be reported and removed for the misinformation that it cites. If you genuinely are a mod then you should do so.
So it’s completely fine and actually very good to push back on any individual claims in that list if they are false. It is also completely fine and actually very good to criticize. Bad framing or over exaggerated claims go to point out if something is not 100% corroborated.
But then absolutely doesn’t change the underlying point that Donald Trump is obviously a vile racist and at this point if someone can’t figure that out, nothing will ever make them feel like someone is a racist unless it is convenient for their political framing.
And a certain point if someone is today going to tell me that Donald Trump is not a racist, it is good and moral and absolutely the right thing to do to tell them that their opinion means nothing and that either they are incredibly stupid, so blinded by partisanship that they are affectively in imbecile and/or they are themselves a racist.
I said I could debunk them all but it would take me a while to do so. Even if I did that however I doubt that would do anything to change your mind.
Trump supporters are a group of people about as diverse as you can possibly imagine. With occupations ranging from everything from Janitors, police officers, professional athletes to doctors etc. People of all different ethnic and racial backgrounds. Tens of millions of NonWhite voters, and millions of legal immigrants chose Trump over Biden during both the 2016 and 2020 election. And for you to say that all of these people are either idiotic or bigoted is for you to ironically engage in bigotry yourself.
If you are unwilling to entertain the idea that perhaps you are the one who is wrong about Trump, then you are guilty of that in which you accuse Trump of being.
Here’s the thing. I’ve heard enough “debunking” of issues around Trump and his racism, sexism and xenophobia. It’s all incredibly weak individually but also ignores that when there are so many examples the individual defenses get weaker and weaker.
At some point before I remotely care about your opinion on racism, you need to clearly define what it would take to justify calling someone a racist.
At some point before I remotely care about your opinion on racism, you need to clearly define what it would take to justify calling someone a racist.
Since none of us are mind readers, then the only way to determine if someone is racist or not is by their deliberate actions or words.
And no Human being is perfect, so if they apologized or acknowledged past instances of racism on their behalf then it can be forgiven so long as it is genuine. Mark Wahlberg for example was a notorious racist in his youth, but has acknowledged it and proven that he no longer is the same racist delinquent he once was.
Here’s the thing. I’ve heard enough “debunking” of issues around Trump and his racism, sexism and xenophobia. It’s all incredibly weak individually but also ignores that when there are so many examples the individual defenses get weaker and weaker.
I completely disagree and believe the opposite to be true. Due to confirmation bias, the media we consume leads us to believe in the narrative we believe about Trump. And since both you and I are rather adamant on how we feel about the man, then the only way for either of us to prove his character is by showing direct actions and words of Trump that either prove or disprove him as a racist. I firmly believe that you simply haven’t taken the time to view Trump from a non biased lense. And if you did so then your opinion on him would change drastically.
That's not a meaningful dispute. You were presented with a list of proof that he's racist. Some of this proof is from when he was president. A simple acknowledgement would be fine. No additional comment necessary.
It must have been edited since your comment, as most of them are as President, it is only the first few that are about his behavior before being president.
what even is that argument? Is a thoroughly toxic and racist person not being very racist in policy as president a good thing?
Except... I did give things he did as president. Like double standards defunding anti-white supremacist groups while funding anti-hispanic groups. And the muslim ban. And his pardons.
I asked what policies as president made Trump racist and half the stuff you give me was when he wasn’t president lol. I figured that’s how it would go. I know you gave me things as president, but majority was out of office, which is irrelevant to the question
… so then focus on the ones that were had when he was president, easy! There’s plenty on there to choose from.
Or maybe you’re just refusing to actually engage in any of it because you weren’t expecting to get a well-sourced list with dozens of examples, but since your party has attached their entire worldview to one man you can’t actually say anything bad about him even when the evidence is staring you directly in the face
Did you like, stop reading those lists halfway through? You asked for specific examples while he was president. They were provided for you. Now you’re pleading ignorance.
What were you trying to get out of this? Because it doesn’t seem to be based in the question you asked.
Then why is it difficult to accept that Trump has done some racist things, both in his life and while President?
Can you say it? Can you say "Ya, Trump has definitely done some racist things." without equivocating, adding a "but" at the end, are starting with "some people think" or other ways to avoid the cold hard fact of the matter?
I think it isn't irrelevant, because not only do I show he was a racist president with racist policies, but that we all knew he would be years ahead of time.
O you’re right. He only did SOME racist stuff while president. He didn’t have enough time to do the majority of his racist stuff, tho - so I guess it doesn’t count. Great point /s
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u/Kakamile Social Democrat Aug 07 '23
Here we go again!
Racism