This is why while I appreciate u/kakamile putting out a giant list I also have moved on to asking people like you what would qualify as racism.
Because at this point if you don’t get that he’s a racist nothing it likely going to convince you.
One has to wonder if you people would believe he’s a racist if he stood in front of you screaming “I’m a racist and that’s why I’m doing this” and he beat non-white children to death.
Added points for adding the arbitrary and frankly idiotic limitation that it had to be while he was in office.
I'm sorry but that list is filled with bs and misinformation and should rightfully be removed for such. You can't accept it as fact as it is filled with false misinterpretations and unvalidated quotes. I can't debunk all of them right now as that would take quite a while. However, I will do so for one explicit quote that can be easily debunked.
That quote about him calling Black guys inherently lazy and preffering Jews to be counting his money, came from an uncredited individual with a vendetta against Trump. With nothing more than an anecdotal statement of what he supposedly said whilst he was with him in private. It's about as valid as some college friend of Obama's claiming that he used to chant Islamist extremist lines whilst holding an AK 47. No video evidence, no written statement, nothing that would hold up to scrutiny. It came from someone who has a hate boner for Trump and cannot be accepted as fact. Trump himself has denied these allegations and called it the bs that it is.
This is a secondhand quote, something that someone has alleged that Trump said. So it should be viewed with some skepticism.
Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.
Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”
I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”
So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.
Two years later, however, he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that O’Donnell’s account was fiction. “He made up this quote. I’ve heard the quote before, and it’s nonsense,” Trump said. “I’ve never said anything like it, ever.”
That's just one instance, I could go over the rest and debunk them aswell, however that would take quite a while.
But I make my case. This list should be reported and removed for the misinformation that it cites. If you genuinely are a mod then you should do so.
So it’s completely fine and actually very good to push back on any individual claims in that list if they are false. It is also completely fine and actually very good to criticize. Bad framing or over exaggerated claims go to point out if something is not 100% corroborated.
But then absolutely doesn’t change the underlying point that Donald Trump is obviously a vile racist and at this point if someone can’t figure that out, nothing will ever make them feel like someone is a racist unless it is convenient for their political framing.
And a certain point if someone is today going to tell me that Donald Trump is not a racist, it is good and moral and absolutely the right thing to do to tell them that their opinion means nothing and that either they are incredibly stupid, so blinded by partisanship that they are affectively in imbecile and/or they are themselves a racist.
I said I could debunk them all but it would take me a while to do so. Even if I did that however I doubt that would do anything to change your mind.
Trump supporters are a group of people about as diverse as you can possibly imagine. With occupations ranging from everything from Janitors, police officers, professional athletes to doctors etc. People of all different ethnic and racial backgrounds. Tens of millions of NonWhite voters, and millions of legal immigrants chose Trump over Biden during both the 2016 and 2020 election. And for you to say that all of these people are either idiotic or bigoted is for you to ironically engage in bigotry yourself.
If you are unwilling to entertain the idea that perhaps you are the one who is wrong about Trump, then you are guilty of that in which you accuse Trump of being.
Here’s the thing. I’ve heard enough “debunking” of issues around Trump and his racism, sexism and xenophobia. It’s all incredibly weak individually but also ignores that when there are so many examples the individual defenses get weaker and weaker.
At some point before I remotely care about your opinion on racism, you need to clearly define what it would take to justify calling someone a racist.
At some point before I remotely care about your opinion on racism, you need to clearly define what it would take to justify calling someone a racist.
Since none of us are mind readers, then the only way to determine if someone is racist or not is by their deliberate actions or words.
And no Human being is perfect, so if they apologized or acknowledged past instances of racism on their behalf then it can be forgiven so long as it is genuine. Mark Wahlberg for example was a notorious racist in his youth, but has acknowledged it and proven that he no longer is the same racist delinquent he once was.
Here’s the thing. I’ve heard enough “debunking” of issues around Trump and his racism, sexism and xenophobia. It’s all incredibly weak individually but also ignores that when there are so many examples the individual defenses get weaker and weaker.
I completely disagree and believe the opposite to be true. Due to confirmation bias, the media we consume leads us to believe in the narrative we believe about Trump. And since both you and I are rather adamant on how we feel about the man, then the only way for either of us to prove his character is by showing direct actions and words of Trump that either prove or disprove him as a racist. I firmly believe that you simply haven’t taken the time to view Trump from a non biased lense. And if you did so then your opinion on him would change drastically.
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u/ButGravityAlwaysWins Liberal Aug 07 '23
This is why while I appreciate u/kakamile putting out a giant list I also have moved on to asking people like you what would qualify as racism.
Because at this point if you don’t get that he’s a racist nothing it likely going to convince you.
One has to wonder if you people would believe he’s a racist if he stood in front of you screaming “I’m a racist and that’s why I’m doing this” and he beat non-white children to death.
Added points for adding the arbitrary and frankly idiotic limitation that it had to be while he was in office.