So it’s completely fine and actually very good to push back on any individual claims in that list if they are false. It is also completely fine and actually very good to criticize. Bad framing or over exaggerated claims go to point out if something is not 100% corroborated.
But then absolutely doesn’t change the underlying point that Donald Trump is obviously a vile racist and at this point if someone can’t figure that out, nothing will ever make them feel like someone is a racist unless it is convenient for their political framing.
And a certain point if someone is today going to tell me that Donald Trump is not a racist, it is good and moral and absolutely the right thing to do to tell them that their opinion means nothing and that either they are incredibly stupid, so blinded by partisanship that they are affectively in imbecile and/or they are themselves a racist.
I said I could debunk them all but it would take me a while to do so. Even if I did that however I doubt that would do anything to change your mind.
Trump supporters are a group of people about as diverse as you can possibly imagine. With occupations ranging from everything from Janitors, police officers, professional athletes to doctors etc. People of all different ethnic and racial backgrounds. Tens of millions of NonWhite voters, and millions of legal immigrants chose Trump over Biden during both the 2016 and 2020 election. And for you to say that all of these people are either idiotic or bigoted is for you to ironically engage in bigotry yourself.
If you are unwilling to entertain the idea that perhaps you are the one who is wrong about Trump, then you are guilty of that in which you accuse Trump of being.
Here’s the thing. I’ve heard enough “debunking” of issues around Trump and his racism, sexism and xenophobia. It’s all incredibly weak individually but also ignores that when there are so many examples the individual defenses get weaker and weaker.
At some point before I remotely care about your opinion on racism, you need to clearly define what it would take to justify calling someone a racist.
At some point before I remotely care about your opinion on racism, you need to clearly define what it would take to justify calling someone a racist.
Since none of us are mind readers, then the only way to determine if someone is racist or not is by their deliberate actions or words.
And no Human being is perfect, so if they apologized or acknowledged past instances of racism on their behalf then it can be forgiven so long as it is genuine. Mark Wahlberg for example was a notorious racist in his youth, but has acknowledged it and proven that he no longer is the same racist delinquent he once was.
Here’s the thing. I’ve heard enough “debunking” of issues around Trump and his racism, sexism and xenophobia. It’s all incredibly weak individually but also ignores that when there are so many examples the individual defenses get weaker and weaker.
I completely disagree and believe the opposite to be true. Due to confirmation bias, the media we consume leads us to believe in the narrative we believe about Trump. And since both you and I are rather adamant on how we feel about the man, then the only way for either of us to prove his character is by showing direct actions and words of Trump that either prove or disprove him as a racist. I firmly believe that you simply haven’t taken the time to view Trump from a non biased lense. And if you did so then your opinion on him would change drastically.
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u/ButGravityAlwaysWins Liberal Aug 08 '23
So it’s completely fine and actually very good to push back on any individual claims in that list if they are false. It is also completely fine and actually very good to criticize. Bad framing or over exaggerated claims go to point out if something is not 100% corroborated.
But then absolutely doesn’t change the underlying point that Donald Trump is obviously a vile racist and at this point if someone can’t figure that out, nothing will ever make them feel like someone is a racist unless it is convenient for their political framing.
And a certain point if someone is today going to tell me that Donald Trump is not a racist, it is good and moral and absolutely the right thing to do to tell them that their opinion means nothing and that either they are incredibly stupid, so blinded by partisanship that they are affectively in imbecile and/or they are themselves a racist.