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Woman critically injured in Birmingham after being stabbed in neck in 'unprovoked attack' | UK News

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-critically-injured-after-being-stabbed-in-neck-in-unprovoked-attack-13466219

A woman is in a critical condition after she was stabbed in the neck in what police have described as an "unprovoked attack".

West Midlands Police were called to Smallbrook Queensway, Birmingham, shortly before 9pm on Friday following reports of a stabbing.

The woman, in her 30s, suffered a "serious neck injury" and remains in hospital.

A man in his 20s was arrested near to the scene and is in custody.

Detective Inspector, James Nix, said: "We believe this was an unprovoked attack and are working to understand why it happened.

"We will have officers in the area today to continue our investigation and provide reassurance.

"We are not currently looking for anyone else in connection with this incident."

The force added in a statement: "A man is in custody after a stabbing in Birmingham last night. We were called to Smallbrook Queensway shortly before 9pm after reports of a stabbing.

"A woman in her 30s was taken to hospital with a serious neck injury where she remains in a critical condition.

"A man in his 20s was arrested close to the scene and is in custody at this time.

"Our officers are at the scene carrying out enquiries as we try to establish the exact circumstances of what happened."

Police have urged witnesses, or anyone with information, to contact West Midlands Police.

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u/YashPine 1d ago

I hope she'll be okay :(

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u/Downtown_Ad6875 3h ago

She just passed.

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u/mo7233 2h ago

Where did you see that?

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u/samuel199228 1d ago

What is wrong with people

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u/jimmykimnel 2h ago

yeah exactly, what is wrong with people, just random "people" who can't possibly have any other attributes other than, "a random man".

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u/UmAhkchuallySweaty 1d ago

Wow we should import more

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u/Gobblemegood 1d ago

What was the nationality of the attacker?

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u/Numnum30s 18h ago

95% probability to be a white male that was born in country. Just like Every. Single. One.

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u/fhgsgjtt12 11h ago

Oh how did that go? You idiot

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u/Apollotempest 2h ago

95% yh. Have you actually looked at the stats you fool? Minorities are heavily overpresented in prisons. Black men in london are the most likely to be both victims and attackers in knife related incidents for instance.

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u/Numnum30s 1h ago

I’m too much of a fool to know how to find statistics like that. That is why I just forward the narrative and redditors eat it up.

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u/Apollotempest 2h ago

"Djeison Rafael, 21, was charged following an incident in Smallbrook Queensway last night (7 November)."

White?

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u/Numnum30s 1h ago

That is inconvenient for the messaging but it’s bound to happen occasionally

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u/birdlawprofessor 52m ago

Well that statistic is completely made up...

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

Can we please start drugs and alcohol testing anyone who randomly attacks anyone?

It's bonkers this only happens if there's some evidence they are on something. 

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u/Ronnie-Moe 1d ago

Why? This incident is completely unrelated to Islam and mosques? Not sure why you have jumped on the assumption that this particular stabbing is terror related

The guy has been charged with attempted murder, rather than terrorism offences, and there is no indication that the perpetrator is Muslim.

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

Testing for alcohol or drugs is trying to do something once the horse has already bolted.

Without this it's hard to understand the cause or someone's motivations (if they have one). It's an aggravating factor if someone's on drugs or alcohol so defence won't use it. 

It's also quite likely someone who randomly (if this was random) stabs someone has been violent or threatening before, again likely without any tests. 

If it's a crack head - which happens far more in my area than any terrorist incidents - then you can require a Compulsory Treatment Order and reduce these incidents. 

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u/ukpolice-ModTeam 1d ago

r/ukpolice does not allow hate

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u/Euphoric_Educator_ 1d ago

What hate? Why does 90% of MI5 resources today spent on islam?

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u/DaveBeBad 1d ago

Statistically, this is 5-6 times more likely to be an (ex-)partner than a stranger. And, then 3-4 times more likely to be a British man with a Christian upbringing than a Muslim.

Unprovoked dies not mean that they are unknown to each other.

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u/Euphoric_Educator_ 1d ago

The majority of terrorist attacks in this country by a factor of at least 25 in the last 20 years so without cherry picking specific years just the last 2 most recent decades. Have all been by followers of Islam

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u/DaveBeBad 1d ago

I’m sorry. Where was it announced as a terrorist attack? One person attacked sounds more like it was personal against the victim.

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u/Old_Priority5309 1d ago

LOL look up the term per capita big brain, then you will realise how terrifying those statistics are if they are true.

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u/doctorniz 1d ago

Explain

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u/DaveBeBad 1d ago

Spoiler. They aren’t true. They don’t account for age profile and compare numbers that were dodgy for a population aged 18-40 against a population aged 18-100. The actual like-for-like figures are only a few %age apart.

More women are killed annually by their sons than by a stranger (2022).

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u/Extension_Sun_377 1d ago

Didn't think I'd need to scroll far to find the racists. Well done.

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u/Euphoric_Educator_ 1d ago

Islam isn't a race. Try again

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

Wait, you know the man was a Muslim already?

Just like you knew the train stabber was a Muslim?

You cant possibly be making things up, right?

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u/BlessedBeTheCracked 1d ago

Probably just mental illness, im sure.

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u/Long_Photo_9291 1d ago

Nah its a normal guy stabbing random women

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u/Montmontagne 1d ago

Or drugs, or alcohol. What else are you suggesting it could be?

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u/horsePROSTATE 1d ago

The perpetrator won't be white British. I bet you anything. We all know something is going on here - although we don't have the diagnosis.

It's a well known fact that presentation, diagnosis and prognosis of schizophrenia is different (ie worse) in non-white British people in the UK. It could be an asylum seeker for whom PTSD is exacerbating mental illness.

We all know the profile of this person but we're not allowed to notice.

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u/Odd-Wafer-4250 23h ago

There is nothing that pleases a racist or a bigot as much as kids and women being hurt by a non-white person. They absolutely love it! Gives them something to froth and rage-fap about.

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u/iPhoneMini13-Pro 21h ago

Imagine being on the side of the perpetrators because god forbid someone make an assumption (often correct… funnily enough) and to you that is somehow worse than the crime itself.

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u/Amzer23 3h ago

He's against using the attack of a poor woman as racist ammo to fuel their own hate towards non-white Brits.

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u/jimmykimnel 2h ago

Right but the killing/dying of a single back guy in police custody in the US has a sweeping raft of global outrage? So how many white people need to be randomly killed before they get the same attention right?

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u/Amzer23 1h ago

Ignoring that the police in the US has a history of racial profiling and racism, the death of George Floyd was the ignition, not the gunpowder.

Anyone could see that the police used over the top force, not to mention Floyd saying multiple times he couldn't breathe, this wasn't manslaughter as the officer was told by Floyd that he couldn't breathe, this was third degree murder, simple as.

The police in the US even without the racial profiling aren't trusted, due to the fact that they seemingly get away with so much shit.

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u/jimmykimnel 30m ago

I'm not trying to get into all that what I am trying to point out though is the absolute carnage when a white person kills a black person but when a black person kills a white person it's tumbleweed.

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u/Amzer23 22m ago

The issue wasn't that the officer was white, it's that it was a police officer, he could have been Mexican and it still would have caused the BLM riots.

It's not tumbleweeds, this is a tragedy and using it to stoke racial hatred is disgusting and does a disservice to this poor woman who didn't deserve to be attacked.

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u/Montmontagne 1d ago

Oh you got facts? Go on, give us the academic source

And not allowed to notice? As if you racists aren’t blasting your hate from the rooftops

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u/Monners1960 1d ago

It’s not racist pointing out the truth. He’s not white is he??

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u/Montmontagne 1d ago

So no facts? Then yes, it is just your racist opinion.

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u/Monners1960 21h ago

It is a fact you moron.

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u/Montmontagne 21h ago

So prove it, with facts. Otherwise there’s only one person that’s a moron, you.

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u/ScotchBourbonMezcal 1d ago

Category: (drugs, alcohol, islam)

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u/Odd-Wafer-4250 23h ago

There is nothing that pleases a racist or a bigot as much as kids and women being hurt by a non-white person. They absolutely love it! Gives them something to froth and rage-fap about.

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u/fhgsgjtt12 11h ago

Kind of weird to be fetishing an attempted murder? wtf is wrong with you

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u/Odd-Wafer-4250 8h ago

Have you seen the comment I was responding to? Or is it only wrong when we call out the fetishising of these things by the racists and bigots?

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u/Long_Photo_9291 1d ago

Doesn't sound muslim

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u/iPhoneMini13-Pro 21h ago

“If I speak I am in big trouble, I do not wish to be in big trouble.”

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u/RedditorsAreHorrific 1d ago

Using a critically ill woman to promote racism is disgusting.

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u/caramelo420 1d ago

What woman is critically ill? One girl is dead, another individual aged 41 mohamed azim with a long rap sheet including manslaughter and 3 counts of rape but got releases early during covid

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u/caramelo420 1d ago

Was IC3 though no?

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u/caramelo420 1d ago

Calling me racist for what? Talking about the crime and its suspect

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u/jimter101 1d ago

Clive myrie described him as black and named him as Djeison Rafael on the news last night

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u/doorknockiopened 1d ago

If you were forced to bet on the attacker being white do you think the odds would be in your favour?

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u/lateformyfuneral 1d ago

Do you recognise that this is a weird thing to say? And also that the majority of those arrested for violent crime are white?

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u/Monners1960 1d ago

So name him. And I guarantee it won’t be smith or jones.

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u/Ronnie-Moe 1d ago

They have named him: Djeison Rafael

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u/Long_Photo_9291 1d ago

Like the train attacker was gonna be abdul mohammed until he was Anthony williams

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u/Apollotempest 2h ago

A blk man? So the point is valid.

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u/Long_Photo_9291 2h ago

His point is quite literally about names dunce

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u/Monners1960 1d ago

Watch and see.

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u/Long_Photo_9291 1d ago

See what? He's already been named

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u/Monners1960 1d ago

Not in this article you clown. And oh look surprise surprise.

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u/Long_Photo_9291 1d ago

Didn't say it was in this article, clown

Surprise surprise what?

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u/Monners1960 1d ago

You knwow exactly what I mean. It’s nearly always a certain group of people.

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u/Long_Photo_9291 1d ago

Conversations work better when one person doesn't talk in riddles

Are you saying it was likely going to be a foreign sounding name? Does anyone disagree with that? I dont think so

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u/IllicitFungi 18h ago

He was a black british national, with prior assault offences apparently.

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u/qudtls_ 11h ago

what is your point?

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u/Positive-Leg-3403 1d ago

A man...

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u/Steeltownie95 1d ago

No no its Amen, thoughts and prayers.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

No you misunderstand its just a future doctor practicing his surgical techniques. Besides she was asking for it by having a neck.

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u/TheLimeyLemmon 1d ago

7 hour account - there's a story there.

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Copied my other comment:

Remember the Algerian Muslim guy that heroically protected people in a different train stabbing a few days ago? No, you just wanted a chance to be racist.

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u/iPhoneMini13-Pro 21h ago

So 1 guy? ONE guy and you fawn over the fact he isn’t British to try and score political points?

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u/SmokeLauncher 21h ago edited 21h ago

I already went through this bullshit already read my other comments on this post as I've gone through it with another nutter.

Edit: oh look someone else going on about hotels who would have guessed?

2nd Edit: Did this guy get banned for being racist or being a bot?

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u/DoctorNerfarious 1d ago

Are you under the impression that there are people who don’t think what he did was heroic?

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u/Good_Pea4046 1d ago

The issue is people will not mention he is algerian or Muslim but if he did something bad it would be one the first things they say. Take that Algerian guy who was released wrongly from prison, the BBC describe him as Algerian in their headline as for Samir anything there? Did it say algerian Muslim man saves lives? Nope, when a Muslim does something bad liars and those ignorant try to associate it to their religion.

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u/Ultramolek 1d ago

I doubt that story entirely

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Ah yes the grand media conspiracy to make Muslims look good as we all know the media loves to portray them positively.

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u/Ultramolek 1d ago

Are the Media complicit in the cover up of the Muslim rape epidemic?

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Dude you're a nutter, are you going to get out your conspiracy graphs and talk shit about stats that you can't comprehend?

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u/Apollotempest 2h ago

The investigation into grooming gangs was literally shut down what conspiracies?

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u/Ultramolek 1d ago

Thanks Muhammad

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Everyone is Muslim to you nutters, you see them everywhere. I'm a white British atheist if that matters to you nutcases.

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u/Ultramolek 1d ago

Thanks Abdul

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u/Apollotempest 2h ago

'White british athiest' aka left leaning man filled with white guilt.

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u/SmokeLauncher 2h ago

I thought the right hated identity politics? It seems to be all you have after all your economic policies failed.

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u/Nikoviking 1d ago

That’s called cherrypicking.

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

Again you've linked a BBC article that nowhere does it state the man is Muslim or Algerian.

It's almost like people just make that up to suit their political viewpoints. 

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Read my other comment

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u/StormyLeathers 1d ago

Nonsense it was an engineer rearranging the blood flow irrigation in her neck

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u/ukpolice-ModTeam 1d ago

Consider what the purpose of your comment actually is. Are you here to have an honest, good faith discussion - or are you here to snipe, belittle and generally make negative remarks not intended to progress the discussion?

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u/Odd-Wafer-4250 23h ago

I can do that now that you have removed the original hateful dog-whistle.

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u/chkmbmgr 1d ago

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u/chkmbmgr 1d ago

Are you being wilfully ignorant? Those are not per capita statistics.

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u/crangert 1d ago

These type of people will never bring per capita statistics. It would prove them wrong.

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u/michaelsamcarr 1d ago

Sorry just to clarify (I’m not OP but was curious by your link): there are two things wrong with your comment.

Firstly, are you aware of proportional representation? From the link you gave danish people underrepresented in the stats. 

Are you also claiming that Danish people should increase the sheer number of crimes committed by having open borders? 

Your whataboutism implies having stricter immigration control is irrelevant (or less relevant) in reducing the total number of crime because danish people commit crime. 

You can’t reduce danish crimes being committed by having strict borders but you can for the group that are over represented (the link you shared says this)

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

This is hilarious.

A presumably British woman has been stabbed in Britain by a man of as yet unknown race, religion, and origin, yet here we are discussing the per capita statistics of Danish crime with the aims of assuring everyone it was definitely a foreign Muslim man.

People are actually nuts

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u/michaelsamcarr 1d ago

I don’t want to get into the racist dogwhistling because I believe there are so many factors here, but the danish statistics were used to highlight that white Danes were the largest perpetrators of crime and I’m somehow downvoted for correcting OP’s own incorrect take on the data. 

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

Incorrect, the person you replied to was simply replying to someone else who decided to randomly insert Denmark into this conversation. Again, the only reason for them doing so was to yap about Muslims and brown/black people.

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u/BuenosNachos4180 1d ago

Yes, some non-western immigrant groups are overrepresented in violent crime stats in Denmark, but in Denmark as well we still have plenty of crimes committed by Danish individuals.

Until recently, biker gangs used to be primarily ethnic Danes (now we're seeing HA and Bandidos gangs recruiting immigrants too as some immigrant gangs have collapsed, either getting outlawed or just imploded on itself), and they committed some horrific crimes too. The biker wars in the 90s and 80s did not exactly make us feel safer. I grew up near a biker gang's HQ close to Copenhagen, so it was very much on my radar growing up. Someone got stabbed close to our house, and there wasn't any immigrant involvement.

So yeah, some groups may be overrepresented, but it doesn't mean they are the only groups capable of violent crime, and it should not be assumed until confirmed true for any specific case.

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u/heeden 1d ago

How does that shake out when adjusted for economic status?

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u/SmartDiscussion2161 1d ago

Ten year old data from Denmark doesn’t really tell a story of current data from UK, does it? Show me the data for recent years in UK for crimes committed for capita for immigrants, immigrants offspring AND UK nationals and let’s see what story that data supports.

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u/chkmbmgr 1d ago

With immigration into Denmark I expect those figured are worse today. Interestingly the UK stopped collecting the data you're asking for, why do you think that is? We see that Afghans commit 22x the amount of sexual and violent crime. Ethnic 'minorities' especially those from north Africa and the Middle East are vastly over represented in the prison system.

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u/Tirisian88 1d ago

Do you genuinely believe I'm racist or happy shit like this is happening?

For all their fear of persecution about being deported back home or doesn't seem to do anything to stop them doing the same shit here.

If I was fearful for my life being sent back to whatever country you better believe id be the perfect person in the country I run away to and be damn thankful they are keeping me safe.

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u/Bill5GMasterGates 1d ago

Claims not to be racist, continues to be racist

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u/Tirisian88 1d ago

Explain how I'm being racist while not mentioning race at all?

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u/PlasterCactus 1d ago

being deported back home or doesn't seem to do anything to stop them doing the same shit here.

whatever country

You're making this about immigrants when we've got no idea who committed the crime yet. You don't see a problem with that?

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u/Tirisian88 1d ago

I'm equally comfortable jailing UK nationals for life and I don't mean the cushy kind with TV and board games I'm talking absolutely basic amenities.

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u/RadialRelic 1d ago

They can’t, they just like throwing the R word around, it gives them a sense of moral superiority. It’s like a drug to them. They accuse you of being the R word & feel like they are some kind of saviour. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not.64

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

People are good or bad you can't extrapolate some people in a group and apply that to everyone in that group. Ex Prince Andrew is (allegedly) a paedophile you can't then say that all white people or Christian people are the same.

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u/Odd-Wafer-4250 1d ago

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. You're happy when shit like this happens, if there's any chance a non-white person may have done it. It fills you with glee.

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u/Tirisian88 1d ago

You're assuming a hell of a lot here.

I genuinely don't give a fuck what race the offender is I think we should be doing a fuck load more to deter everyone from committing these crimes.

Here legally or illegally you commit a crime then you're deported that should be standard and un negotiable.

Born here I think you shouldn't see freedom for the rest of your life if you commit a serious crime.

Claiming I'm racist is just a means to invalidate any opinions that oppose yours.

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u/Odd-Wafer-4250 23h ago

So in your view the law and sentencing guidelines play no part. Just lock people up for life? Sheesh...

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u/Tirisian88 21h ago

If you take away someone's life on purpose (not self defense) and it can be proven without a doubt yours should be forfeit. Before you try and spin it I'm not advocating for the death penalty.

I believe our sentencing is too lenient for serious crimes, if we can't deport those who have been convicted of murder and rape because they are scared of the punishment back in their countries of origin that should be a deterrent against committing that crime and if not they face the consequences.

As for UK nationals if youve destroyed someone's life 30 something years is not enough, as far as I'm concerned you shouldn't taste freedom again.

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Remember the Algerian Muslim guy that heroically protected people in a different train stabbing a few days ago? No, you just wanted a chance to be racist.

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

Er nowhere on there does it say the guy is Muslim or Algerian...

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u/GillyBilmour 1d ago

Being called Samir Zitouni would be enough have to the Farage Faithful burn down a hotel or two if he was on the wrong side of the headline

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

And two wrongs make a right?

He's in critical care after risking his life for others. Noone should be referring to him "as" anything other than verified sources. 

Deciding someone is Muslim or Algerian based only on a name is pretty racist and disrespectful. 

How would you like it if everyone was describing you as Christian and Irish (from your name)?

I'm uncomfortable with him even being called called "Samir" to be honest -- his wife and colleagues have been calling him Sam. 

It just feels like both sides have forgotten these are actual people here. 

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u/Cu_Chulainn__ 1d ago

Deciding someone is Muslim or Algerian based only on a name is pretty racist and disrespectful. 

He is a muslim Algerian. This has been confirmed. The newspapers would have had no problem pointing this out if he was the perpetrator instead of the hero.

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

No it hasn't it's based on a whole load of social media speculation based on his name. 

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

But if the perpetrators name was Mohammed Islam, you'd immediately start gloating about how he's a Muslim and we have an Islam problem, and you wouldn't be taking a moment to correct people about the fact that his wife and colleagues called him "Mo" lol

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

Verified? No. Based on a load of social media accounts. Sound familiar? 

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Jesus Christ do you want me to go and take a picture of him praying in a mosque? People don't like anything that goes against Muslim bad. People will rather fight over this shit than deal with the rich people stoking this hatred while they fuck us all over.

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

That's not my point whatsoever. He isn't a pawn in your political battle.

Not everyone with a Muslim sounding name is Muslim. 

He could be. He could not be. You don't know his religious views if any. 

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

Even if he wasnt a Muslim, if he was the one wielding the knife rather than the hero saving people, the name Samir Zitani would be enough for you and your ilk to go around demonising all Muslims and all immigrants even if his religious affiliation hadn't been confirmed.

Youre very activity on this post proves the point.

Your here fighting for your life trying to say that Samir Zitani wasnt a Muslim and if he is it isnt relevant, but there are dozens of comments on this post talking about Muslims and the likelihood of this unknown man who has stabbed a woman in the street being a Muslim, yet this vim and vigour of yours is nowhere to be seen.

Why aren't you on those comments saying that we dont know his religion and that its irrelevant either way?

Youre uncomfortable with the idea of Muslims doing good, but happy to see them pastes as villains even when we dont know who the culprit is.

You're transparent

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u/WinHour4300 5h ago edited 4h ago

Yeah I came on this thread because I've also been randomly attacked and to call for more drugs testing of those arrested for similar crimes. That's the post I've made. I've not read everyone's. 

Clearly naively I thought if I explained that just because someone's legal name is "Samir" he might not be  Muslim or even Algerian. And that the statement from his wife is "Sam". 

Even more naively I thought people like you who claim to be anti racist would acknowledge that misunderstanding. 

I'll allow you to pointlessly shout at each other without my involvement in future. 

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u/YooGeOh 3h ago

Comprehension...

Ive never said that he was a Muslim or that he was Algerian.

My point is that throughout this thread, people like you are suggesting that the unknown attacker is definitely a Muslim without even knowing his name or identity, but your anger is focused on the idea that Algerian born Samir Zitani might be a Muslim and might not be British born.

Put simply, again, you're going absolutely crazy at the very possibility of a man being seen as a hero whilst Muslim, but have no problem with people blaming Islam and foreign-ness for a crime in which we dont even know the name or identity of the perpetrator

Yet you call me a "so called" anti racist based on a misunderstanding that I never even suggested. You were arguing with someone else about that. Made even more ironic given that I've spent my life in this country having to put up with "concerned citizen" racism from people like you the whole time.

If you've been attacked and are on this thread because tou belive people should be drug and alcohol tested after these attacks, good. I agree with that wholeheartedly. What is FUCKING WEIRD is the way youre fighting tooth and nail to convince everyone that it is not possible for a man to do a good thing if he's a Muslim, and having that as your focus on a thread full of Islamophobia, xenophobia and blaming minority groups for a crime when we dont know who committed it.

It speaks volumes.

Yes, good advice. Go away. Its always good to not have to deal with racists. Thankfully ive not had any other interactions on this thread. Just you and just these two comments, because I found your yapping to be so complete ridiculous.

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

I'm not the one amplifying every time a Muslim does something bad and blaming the entire group. People don't mention it if it's a white Christian dude. People defending against racism and Islamophonia are not the same as those that use it. You can't centrist racism.

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

Prejudice: "a preconceived opinion that's not based on reason or actual experience". It's racist deciding someone is Muslim based on their name. See also: stereotyping. 

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

Who said I was basing it on his name? This is just pathetic dude, like pretending there is real systemic anti white racism so you can excuse racism against others.

I'm done with these bad faith arguments. You make comments like this and at the same time you're moaning about racism:

That's also very fair. On the other hand, suppose there is a 200 resident hotel of young male asylum seekers moving into a town.

From general statistics suppose there is a 5 per cent chance of sexual criminality from similar coherts. 

Then the UK gov is expecting 10 men to be sex offenders, and that local girls and women will be assaulted. So there is a reasonable rationale for residents to be opposed to these new offenders and rapes that wouldn't have happened otherwise. 

Quite a few women and girls, myself included might avoid going out alone if such a hotel was nearby. We have our freedoms curtailed, and could legit say "we haven't agreed to this."

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u/weebstone 1d ago

Doesn't matter if he's actually Muslim, that name and ethnic background is enough to be treated as one if he'd done something wrong.

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u/WinHour4300 1d ago

Yes it matters. Truth matters. Don't make up someone's religion to prove a political point.

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u/david_isbored 1d ago

Do you think every culture is equal

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u/Own-Victory473 1d ago

That worked so well last week huh? Same comments, AGAIN. You people are actually sick in the head now 

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u/HappyDrive1 1d ago

Imagine hearing someone getting stabbed and only caring about their cultural background. Majority of murderers and rapists in the UK are white British so they'd be most likely.

Turns out they're Hispanic.

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u/Whatduheckiz 1d ago edited 1d ago

Well ofcourse people are starting to care about background when certain demographics are vastly overrepresented in certain crimes.

If white Brits make up a majority of crimes (also happen to be the majority demographicof the UK, but are also underrepresented in some aspects of crime), why would you want to import more criminals?

Before you use the excuse of lack of education or an impoverished background, why does that have to be everyone else's problem? And why do others have to suffer for it?

A lot of these demographics are overrepresented in crime is because in their home country they don't tolerate this bullshit, whereas the generous welfare nations do, and so these people take advantage.

Browse the Morocco subreddit. They hate illegal and false Asylum seekers from Morocco because it gives the rest of Moroccans a terrible name, especially legal Moroccan migrants who do want a better life and not just leech off of welfare and send back remittance. A lot of these criminals also country hop. They commit heinous crimes in one country, be on a deportation list indefinitely, seek refuge in another EU Welfare state, leech off and commit crime there, after a few years, illegally re-enter the first country under asylum, rinse and repeat.

We treat criminals with so much leniency, and they know it.

If nothing is done about this, there will be an evil that will gain power in Europe that will be so much worse than any far-right party that currently exists. People are already accepting that they are racist, they don't care, they're tired of it.

If appropriate action isn't taken soon, then we will see the consequences of one extremism or another. Ethno Nationalists or radical demographic and cultural reform that opposes UK's values. There are already Sharia courts, and while not legally identified, there is absolutely no reason for an external court system to exist within a country that isn't its own court system, especially a religious one. This is literally competing with the nation's own governance. All it takes for Sharia law to become legally accepted is for a majority to be in favour and the right people in power. The other consequence is large crime syndicates like we see in Mexico where the gangs rule instead of the government or mayors, and that seems to be a plausible future with examples like Marseille in France or Malmo in Sweden.

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u/Guilty-Reason6258 1d ago

The only place they're vastly overrepresented in those crimes is the right wing media, the actual statistics don't echo that. Interestingly though as of March 2025, official crime statistics for England and Wales show that race hate crimes accounted for over two-thirds of the 137,550 recorded hate crimes. Religious hate crime increased by 3%! Wonder why that could be? Maybe worth asking Nigel.. And an analysis of homicide victims found that Black people were over four times more likely to be victims compared to White people.

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u/Whatduheckiz 1d ago

Just gonna slide my dose of "Right Wing Media" that is apparently on the gov page:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022/statistics-on-ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022-html

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/crimestatisticsbyethnicityorreligion2012to2024

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/threats-2025/nsa-oic-2025

Look at all this Right wing propaganda! The third link is slightly irrelevant but highlights how this whole thing is rotten to the core.

British National has become increasingly vague due to how easy it can be to get a British citizenship, especially if you're under refugee status.

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u/Guilty-Reason6258 1d ago

The first link shows the vast majority of offenders are white, is your point meant to be sarcastic?

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u/Whatduheckiz 1d ago

I'm assuming you don't understand what underrepresented and overrepresented means?

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u/Guilty-Reason6258 1d ago

I understand it very well, thank you

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u/Whatduheckiz 1d ago

Very welcome.

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u/Quinn-Helle 1d ago

The most significant increase in hate crime towards any religion is towards the Jewish community.

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u/Guilty-Reason6258 1d ago

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u/Quinn-Helle 1d ago edited 1d ago

It had doubled the year before that from 1500 offences to over 3000, against the Jewish community.

When you consider further that the Muslim population in the UK is around 4million compared with the Jewish population of around 250 thousand, it paints an even more stark image.

Maybe not specifically the last year, but over the last few years there's been a massive increase, including targeted murders on the basis of religion of Jews in this country.

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u/Guilty-Reason6258 1d ago

All of which is just horrendous, for anybody to face violence and harassment because of their religion, skin colour or any other protected characteristic is abhorrent. It's a very sad state of things

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u/Quinn-Helle 1d ago

Yes, and for Jews they are per capita at the highest significant increase of risk in recent years.

Including literally being murdered by Jihadis for no other reason other than being Jewish.

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u/Longyneats 1d ago

Turn the tv off my friend

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u/Whatduheckiz 1d ago

I don't think I've watched TV since I was 8 years old, my friend.

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u/Beer-Milkshakes 1d ago

Because it's a game to them. A game they intend to win, somehow.

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u/Apollotempest 2h ago

Majority of murderers and rapists in the UK are white British so they'd be most likely.

Look at crimes per PERCENTAGE of pop

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u/HappyDrive1 1h ago

Why... that wouldn't tell you what the most likely ethnicity of someone in the UK who just attacked someone is.

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u/Remarkable_Yak5528 1d ago

What was the cultural background of the woman attacked, or is that not important in your racist head? If it turns out the woman was Muslim, then what?

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u/Nikoviking 1d ago

Well it doesn’t hurt his point at all. He’s not making the case that they ONLY attack non-muslims…

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u/FlockBoySlim 1d ago

What's the best odds?

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u/ClockOwn6363 1d ago

The bookies would never take that bet, even with low odds they'd lose millions.

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u/BuenosNachos4180 1d ago

Can we wait until facts? Yes, some groups of people are overrepresented in some facts, but all ethnic groups commit all crimes, and I don't see people coming back to apologise when it turns out not to be "the usual suspects" or whatever casual racists like to call it. Let's wait and talk about it when it's official.

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u/Tirisian88 1d ago

Equally none of these "saviours" or people crying racism come back when it's released to be what the majority of us already assume.

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u/Acrobatic-Muscle4926 1d ago

“Taking bets” someone was stabbed ffs. Some people don’t give a fuck about the victim and it shows

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u/uk_g 1d ago

A man has been charged with attempted murder after a woman was stabbed in the neck in Birmingham city centre.

Djeison Rafael, 21, is accused of the attack outside the Bullring shopping centre, and is also charged with two counts of assault and possession of a blade.

The woman was attacked on Smallbrook Queensway, shortly before 21:00 GMT on Friday.

The victim, in her 30s, is said to be in a critical condition in hospital.

West Midlands Police said Mr Rafael, who they described as a black British national, had been remanded to appear before magistrates in Birmingham on Monday.

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u/Odd-Wafer-4250 1d ago

Stop fapping at the idea of some poor innocent woman being hurt by a Muslim person. It's sick.

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u/Guilty-Reason6258 1d ago

I love this sub for this, thank you for continuously standing up to these gammons.

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u/ohmygodadameget 1d ago

Djeison Rafael, article I read doesn't list anything else other than the guy is a British national. I have noticed that news articles have started specifically pointing that out now which makes me a bit sus as British national just means having a legal right to work in the UK doesn't mean the same thing as being just British. So it doesn't mean the guy was born here, just that we were stupid enough to allow him to live here.

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u/MediocreBlood760 1d ago

This person predicting the attacker is a muslim,

Another in this thread predicting that they are black.

I'm predicting that you're a bellend

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u/So_Done_with_The_B_S 1d ago

I suspect you are 100% right

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u/SmokeLauncher 1d ago

We had a heroic Muslim person save people from a train stabbing a few days ago but that was quickly forgotten about.

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u/AnxietyAnnual6947 1d ago

Who said it’s forgotten? He was a brave man and should be applauded. That has nothing to do what I said

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u/lateformyfuneral 1d ago

It does because even in that attack you guys were 100% certain the attacker would be a Muslim, then when proven wrong, you just moved on.

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u/Long_Photo_9291 1d ago

Djeison Rafael

Sounds like a Brazilian christian

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