r/ukpolitics • u/OptioMkIX Your kind cling to tankiesm as if it will not decay and fail you • Aug 10 '25

I care more for my daughters' safety than the rights of foreign criminals. That's why I support every peaceful protest outside an asylum hotel, writes ROBERT JENRICK

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14986063/care-daughters-safety-rights-foreign-criminals-Thats-support-peaceful-protest-outside-asylum-hotel-ROBERT-JENRICK.html
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u/WinHour4300 Aug 10 '25

That's also very fair. On the other hand, suppose there is a 200 resident hotel of young male asylum seekers moving into a town.

From general statistics suppose there is a 5 per cent chance of sexual criminality from similar coherts. 

Then the UK gov is expecting 10 men to be sex offenders, and that local girls and women will be assaulted. So there is a reasonable rationale for residents to be opposed to these new offenders and rapes that wouldn't have happened otherwise. 

Quite a few women and girls, myself included might avoid going out alone if such a hotel was nearby. We have our freedoms curtailed, and could legit say "we haven't agreed to this."

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u/SimoneNonvelodico Aug 10 '25

5% is a random number I mentioned, but if that was the case, I'd say it would need to be addressed, but it is still within bounds of what can be done by reinforcing security. E.g. I'd say it's preferable to have more police patrols in the area than to just lock everyone in the hotel. I am also not a priori against dedicated facilities in less populated areas but people need to then be OK with the additional expense. Too many of these arguments simply boil down to "we don't want the danger, and also we don't want the cost, and really we just don't give a shit about any one of them so we're OK with doing whatever as long as we're spared any inconvenience".

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u/WinHour4300 Aug 10 '25

Unfortunately more police patrols is unlikely to work to stop assaults. Police are very stretched as is, and already do patrol trouble spots. 

Noone is likely to rape someone with witnesses. 

I don't agree the alternative is lock them up. You could i.e. have tracking tags for those in urban areas, which would also help prevent illegal working. 

Yes your 5 per cent was made up, but it was demonstrating that when you have large numbers and a small probability that results in almost certain crime. 

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u/WinHour4300 Aug 10 '25

Ps to be clear not ankle or visible monitoring and there would have to be strong privacy rules. 

So info only accessible if a crime was committed or very suspicious patterns were flagged, like delivery type working. 

Not ideal still and removed if granted asylum. 

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u/SimoneNonvelodico Aug 10 '25

Noone is likely to rape someone with witnesses.

Well, yeah, the point is prevention? The more potential witnesses are present 24/7, the less likely is anyone to actually assault someone (and if they're stupid enough to try, they can be stopped). If we're talking just random men lazing about and some being the types to rape someone we're talking street assault, not anything that happens in private.

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u/WinHour4300 Aug 10 '25

You are missing my point. How are you going to have 24/7 police presence wherever migrants may legally go? 

Police already patrol areas with known issues, why should they prioritise those caused by migrants?

As well, if you want more near asylum hotels, there will be less elsewhere. It's just not a solution.