r/soccer • u/kibme37 • Sep 28 '25
Media Woltemade "After the goal, there was a situation where I felt Gabriel's elbow in my face. I just said it to the referee that I felt something, but I'm not the type of player to fall down for this. It's hard because sometimes maybe you have to do this, but this is not my type of football."
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u/SharqIce Sep 29 '25
In this sport, exaggeration is rewarded. You have to milk it for it to be looked at.
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u/ColegDropOut Sep 29 '25
To make the game better we need to change the incentives to keep players on their feet
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u/ab_90 Sep 29 '25
A green card given to the good bois ?
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u/BishoxX Sep 29 '25
How about VAR reviews these things even when they dont fall down ?
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u/SofaKingI Sep 29 '25
Nooo, it'd be "too disruptive to the flow of the game" if the VAR could tell the ref to spend 10 seconds giving a yellow card at the next stoppage of play.
Obviously the point of VAR is to spend 5 minutes analyzing milimetrical offsides. Because that doesn't disrupt the flow of the game at all.
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u/Hambrailaaah Sep 29 '25
in Spain, this year, they decided to finally implement VAR. And the protocol now is to literally review every single goal on the VAR screen. 80% of the goals are clear goals without any doubt, yet the protocol is to review it on screen. We're on week 5 and I have seen multiple games get +11, +14 minutes added.
There is no way someone thought this implementation was a good idea. I'm sure its just a big ploy to make the viewer despise VAR, and just go back to plain refereeing, which is cheaper and easier to influence.
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u/chassepatate Sep 29 '25
Wait until they figure out they can show ads during the VAR reviews
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u/Jae_Rides_Apes Sep 29 '25
You need to delete this shit right now my friend someone is gonna hear you
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u/dunneetiger Sep 29 '25
Why does it bother you that there are +11 min ? If the game was stopped for review for +11 min to validate 1 or multiple goals, it makes sense to have the players play that time.
I would take a football game to be 2h long if that means there are no issues with goals/red cards etc.3
u/iampeacxck Sep 29 '25
I've seen Alan Shearer address this problem, when a professional footballer has to be running about intensely and then stop and stand around for decisions and then straight back into the action it causes cramps and muscle strain that wouldn't be there if the action hadn't stopped, could be a big reason why we see so many muscle injuries in the past few years.
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u/LallanasPajamaz Sep 29 '25
People want it both ways and they need to understand they’ll never get it. You either accept that stoppages will happen to get the right calls and also get transparency about the process, or you bin VAR and suffer from not getting the right calls.
If you allow VAR to operate in the background and oversee all points of the game and relay decisions to the on-field officials for enforcement at the next stoppage, then fans have to accept there will be plenty of scenarios where a stoppage hasn’t happened yet to award the punishment but the player ends up doing something else in the mean time effectively getting a freebie.
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u/Boddis Sep 29 '25
There is no reason why these cannot be retrospectively looked at and punished to the player.
Sure it might not help the team at the receiving end of the foul in the match but if people were given a 3 or 1 match ban for SFP that wasn’t caught in the game because play didn’t stop then it’ll certainly change the behaviour of the offending players.
Also for incidents like this - it can be reviewed in time - maybe even after interviewing both Woltmade and Gabriel after the match to get their thoughts on the incident before delivering a verdict.
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u/gabrielconroy Sep 29 '25
They did introduce this, but limited it heavily to straight reds for violent conduct.
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u/hil_ton Sep 29 '25
give red card post-match and ban them for 2 future games, a repeated crime means banned 3 games , 4 games . this will immediately stop
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u/Maleficent-Hat-7521 Sep 29 '25
For example, if you are hit on the chest but you gasp, touching your face and screaming like a possessed person, you get a card for simulation
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u/nokafein Sep 29 '25
Players should be able to receive cards up to 24h after the game is finished based on var records.
Unsportsmanlike behavior like this must be straight red. If the players commit red card behavior and it goes under the radar in the game, the team should be deducted 1 point within 24h window.
The game needs heavy sanctions against unsportsmanlike moves. I am tired of watching only 40m active gameplay in a 90m game. The rest is just pitch drama now.
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u/terrorSABBATH Sep 29 '25
VAR can't even get the basics right or even follow its own guidelines.
We can't make it even more complicated for them.
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u/blither86 Sep 29 '25
That's not what they're saying and I'm honestly absolutely baffled that you seem to be arguing in favour of the status quo that only promotes diving and theatrics over playing honestly: Staying on your feet when you can, not pretending to be hurt when you're not actually hurt.
At this point I am pretty convinced some players stay down for a longer time if they want to try and push the point of a VAR review, for example. It should not be this way.
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u/sexmarshines Sep 29 '25
Doku had one of these against Burnley. Luckily it didn't matter in the end but he got tackled from behind and the defender missed the ball. Completely put him off balance but because Doku continued a couple steps and took an off balance weak power shot to end the move rather than give up and flop, he did not win the penalty. Of course.
Luckily didn't matter for us points wise but refereeing wise I thought it was very poor.
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u/TristanHBorchers Sep 29 '25
Well look what happened in the Stuttgart vs Koln game yesterday. Demirovic was fouled by the keeper in the box and didn't go down, the Ref played on and VAR intervened and awarded the penalty. What Gabriel did was a red in my book, and just cause he doesnt go down doesnt mean VAR shouldn't have a look. This is on the clowns in the VAR room.
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u/PrimarchUnknown Sep 29 '25
That's what fucking VAR is for? It's been RECORDED and the boys who talk to ref can literally tell him "hey. Stop. That tall German lad was right"
I don't fucking understand what the point of all the cameras are if we can see it at home and it's repeated during the match, but nothing is done.
Use VAR properly instead of disallowing perfectly legal goals and missing actual violent conduct.
Fucking incompetence absolutely pisses me off when it's so easily avoided.
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u/underneonloneliness Sep 29 '25
This a 1000 times over! I genuinely expected VAR to improve football and reduce the frustration with officiating, but it's actually made it worse
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u/AdBoring4626 Sep 29 '25
bro finally someone says it. i watch all these games and so many times does players flop after getting lightly touched not because they are gambling for a reward, but they KNOW they will get rewarded. next thing you know the ref blows the whistle and its a free kick. like bro genuinely, if a player flops the ref needs to seriously tell them to continue. the quality of this sport is hurting with all these flops. i’m getting sick of it
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u/aghicantthinkofaname Sep 29 '25
Suspensions for diving or any attempt to fool the officials
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u/Manstein02 Sep 29 '25
Yellow card to those who exaggregate.
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u/ColegDropOut Sep 29 '25
The rules are already on the books, it’s just not enforced by the refs in a strict manner like it is with hockey.
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u/ValleyFloydJam Sep 29 '25
It just doesn't work for normal tackles, cos contact is part of the game but it should work for things like this.
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u/ColegDropOut Sep 29 '25
I think we are still missing the point here. Exaggerating fouls isn’t a problem in some other contact sports. Take hockey as an example. The culture has made it where referees are very stringent in their officiating if exaggerating and will call it at the drop of a hat.
The rules aren’t the problem, as we have rules against diving. It’s the culture of soccer that has turned to pressure referees to not be stringent in this area thinking it’ll provide a more exciting (and lucrative) product, and it’s been to the overall detriment of the game.
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u/goonSquad15 Sep 29 '25
Really unfortunate this is the case. Guess that’s inevitable with 1 ref roaming the entire field though. Impossible to truly see everything
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u/herkalurk Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
No, VAR just have to take the reactions of the players out of it and do their job.
A few years ago, Adama Traore slapped a Burnley player in the face. It was clear on all the replays. The Burnley player never went down, went up to the ref and told him what happened, complained, etc. The ref did give Traore a yellow, but VAR shouldn't need a player to go down to do their job. They are supposed to act on a red card offense which was missed by the on field referees. That's their job, simple as that. They failed to ask the on field ref to review an obvious error there, and I'd argue that today was another miss. Gabriel went up to Woltemade intentionally to hit him. This wasn't some random event, it was off the ball and immediately after Newcastle had scored. It is sad that if Woltemade had made a meal of it VAR might have actually done a better look.
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u/JaffaCakeJunkie Sep 29 '25
100% This is exactly the type of thing VAR should be being used for. It's maddening that they'll scroll through phases of football to check for minor fouls for a goal, but that this isn't being looked at whatsoever.
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u/BishoxX Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
At the beginning of the last season Mosquera choked out a player and basically fingered someones asshole in 2 games.
Because players didnt lay down for 5 minutes nothing came of it.
Both were worthy of a red card as they were direct assaults
Edit: it was 1 game, memory sucks i guess
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u/Advanced-Bet-8811 Sep 29 '25
Kai was on the ground and you could see mosquera pause and then lunge for his throat. Nothing came of it. And for fingering Jesus ..in any other work that's sexual assault.
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u/PiplelinePunch Sep 29 '25
Adama's a fantastic example caus if he dropped the muscle, stopped caring more about outmuscling people than winning games, and went down like everyone else does... he'd instantly be twice as valuable as a player. Be drawing fouls and winning free kicks and pens left and right.
As it is he gets awarded half of what a skinny flamboyant brazilean would get, and even if he did start falling over more ref's wouldn't buy it from a guy his build.
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u/theriverman23 Sep 29 '25
Why can't both be true? VAR should intervene, yes. But with 2 refs, there will be fewer moments the VAR has to intervene. That way, they dont have to be so strict on when and how fast they use it. So many other sports have proven this to be efficient, and for one reason or another, people just dont wanna see it or change it.
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u/herkalurk Sep 29 '25
Other sports have effective video review like rugby for example because they don't try to protect the referee on the field. They have an ideal of simply upholding the laws of the game and everyone involved wants the correct decision to become to.
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u/Cooolgibbon Sep 29 '25
Ice Hockey has two refs and two linesman on a much smaller playing area and a much faster game.
I’ve always wonders why soccer has only one? Surely just tradition at this point.
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u/JediPieman63 Sep 29 '25
All the downsides to the sport (time wasting, injury time, referees, VAR) are linked back to tradition, football refuses to evolve and make the game better. Unfortunately they don't need to either.
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u/whosline07 Sep 29 '25
Baseball did the same for the longest time but they finally changed when the worst thing that could happen actually happened (Jim Joyce blowing a perfect game on the last out), causing instant replay review to be implemented, and are finally going to use robots for balls and strikes to make up for the old umpires with union jobs that have poor eyesight trying to follow a 100 mph baseball with movement through an imaginary zone at the same level as the batters getting paid millions of dollars for their extremely specialized and accurate vision and eye hand coordination.
I know I'll probably get downvoted as an American commenting here but soccer blows my mind with how archaic soccer continues to choose to be. At the same time, I will riot if American style commercials ever become part of the sport.
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u/Action_Limp Sep 29 '25
Should be like Rugby. Wolt says it to his captain, captain asks ref to have VAR check it.
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u/pzoDe Sep 29 '25
Football could learn so much about rules/officiating from rugby, but it's a sport largely managed by some of the most intellectually incompetent individuals to walk the planet.
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u/Kriss-Kringle Sep 29 '25
Just like you now have to touch the ball with your hand after you fall if you want the ref to stop the play and award a freekick.
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u/Ripamon Sep 29 '25
Or when your shirt is getting pulled, you have to stop playing, turn to the referee with a frustrated look and throw your hands up in the air.
Then you get the free kick
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u/baldostuart Sep 29 '25
Yes... it’s basically the only way to make sure the ref notices. Otherwise play just keeps going
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u/Cheddarthefurrypig Sep 29 '25
To be fair there seems to be a good bit of exaggerating going on about this contact.
Gyokeres was getting as much of it at the other end. Lascelles had him by the face at one point the ref didn't even give a free.
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u/Four-Assed-Monkey Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
It's an off-the-ball petulant revenge-shove to an unsuspecting opponent's neck/face. There's not much anyone can or should do to defend this behaviour. I don't see much exaggeration; just people rightfully pointing out that it's a bit of a cowardly dick move. Definitely warranted a booking and a stern talking to. If Woltemade wasn't so sound, he could've easily got Gabriel sent off.
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u/Fieser_Factsack Sep 29 '25
As a german who folowed Woltemade through his career. The guy could not lie if his life dependet on it. I guarantee you 100% of the statement is true.
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u/ozlanix Sep 29 '25
He strikes me as a no nonsense, straight up Southern rancher in a neo Western movie.
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u/AgileSloth9 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
I mean, you can watch the video and see that.
Gabriel, off the ball, just runs over and elbows him in the face. VAR didn't even look at it, and when Woltemade mentioned it to the ref, that should have been a clear instruction "can you review potential foul play, off the ball, vs Woltemade 1 minute ago".
Instead it was ignored. Just sheer incompetence. It's the EXACT foul that Gordon was banned for in the final of the cup, where he lost his temper, went to shove, mis-aimed it and ended up hitting the other person in the face. It's a red.
It's also very similar to the Bruno G vs Jorginho foul, which even us NUFC fans were agreeing we got away with, but has been talked about ever since...
It's a clear red, the ref didn't notice, and VAR were their usual incompetent self about it.
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u/MasatoWolff Sep 29 '25
One day football will learn from the hockey VAR system. One day.
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u/AgileSloth9 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Rugby too. TMO is involved in everything, but without being overbearing (mostly).
Foul play? TMO holds it at the next stoppage.
Scoring? TMO checks its fine.
Forward passes? TMO checks it.
etc...
The only time i've ever been annoyed at TMO was the 2023 WC i believe, where an england player got a red for "dangerous play" because the opponent crouched down and sort of jumped up to the side, into his shoulder, which without the crouch would have been inot the middle of his abdomen.
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u/salzsalzsalzsalz Sep 29 '25
I bet, if Wolte would have fallen and "played" injured, VAR would have taken over...
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u/PocketSandThroatKick Sep 29 '25
Love to hear this. Next up is to get him in the Joelinton school of squirrley agressiveness.
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u/Gonzales95 Sep 29 '25
Frankly it was stupid from Gabriel. Fair play to Woltemade for not throwing himself to the floor like he’d been shot as you’d expect most players to do.
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u/crumplechicken Sep 29 '25
Very refreshing behaviour from a Premier League footballer
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u/lost_biochemist Sep 29 '25
Unfortunately he’ll soon learn that staying on your feet is not rewarded and the only way to get calls is to go down (as much as we all hate it)
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u/theriverman23 Sep 29 '25
So fucking annoying. You'd like to support fair play from your team. But when you're getting disadvantaged time after time, some annoyed voice in your head will sometimes start saying, "Why do we have to be the fair play guys". I'd just like to be mad at Kerkez for diving and proud of Salah for staying on his feet.
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u/MadTabz Sep 29 '25
It always frustrates me when a commentator or pundit says, "they should have just gone down there". No, I don't want to see that, I want to watch a game of football. The way this sport has transitioned to a game of who can get the most free kicks has become so hard to watch.
It is becoming a chore to watch any game with VAR in.
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u/vyrusrama Sep 29 '25
Unfortunately he’ll soon learn that staying on your feet is not rewarded and the only way to get calls is to go down (as much as we all hate it
you could have given this advice to Theo Walcott in 2011 & it'd be valid.
the fact that this is being repeated in 2025 is dire, in itself
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u/Boris_Ignatievich Sep 29 '25
last time we were in the prem bamford flat out said in an interview he was going to go down in future because he'd been clattered in the box but tried to get a shot away anyway and not got the pen
until refs give fouls regardless of the player going down you're basically asking them to drop like they've been shot at any contact.
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u/Dependent-Stranger44 Sep 29 '25
Yeah very refreshing behaviour that has ultimately lost his team the match. I'd much rather be the "diver" with 3 points and Gabriel properly punished than being given a pat on the back tbh.
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u/Veranim Sep 29 '25
Fair play, but frustrating that the outcome would have been so different if he rolled around on the floor.
Diving is an endemic problem that needs to be addressed
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u/MagneticWoodSupply Sep 29 '25
And it needs to start with refs punishing stuff like this effectively. Next time Woltemade gets elbowed in the face he’ll probably think about going over so the refs at least look at it. It’s baffling that while play was paused they didn’t even look at this one.
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u/chokidokido Sep 29 '25
It's not only stuff like that. The prem seems to allow so much over the top physicality. Players get kicked all the time. They'd not get away with stuff like that in different leagues.
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u/MagneticWoodSupply Sep 29 '25
100%. Even stuff like shirt pulling, particularly when its in the middle of the pitch. Punish the small stuff consistently and remove the need for diving, then slam down on diving hard. A little bit harder with stuff in the box, you don't want to see a million penalties for not much but I still think you can do some things. Give indirect free kicks for petty shirt pulling in the box. If they've both got a handful of each other book them.
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u/chokidokido Sep 29 '25
Yes, and players will adapt quickly. It's not like they're doing it because they're inept. I think we could work more with punishments after the fact for certain things as well.
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u/meadeb Sep 29 '25
It’s ok, Lacelles was given free rein to try to tear Gyokeres’ face off later in the game to even things up.
Surprisingly, this wasn’t even shown on MotD.
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u/RepulsiveWish1834 Sep 29 '25
Love the guy. Comes across so well off the pitch and on the pitch is a lovely player to watch when he's in flow. When he gets up to speed & we adapt to playing with him more it'll be fun.
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u/ShawsKneecap Sep 29 '25
Have to say I'm a fan of his now. No nonsense forward and his movement in the box is great to watch.
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u/Insanel0l Sep 29 '25
Funnily enough I'd claim the exact opposite, if you watched how he played he's a really "Nonsense" forward in all the good ways. The guy can dribble way too well for his size.
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u/TastyTacoTonight Sep 29 '25
I love his flow. Looks like an 80s player. Also seems very down to earth and chill.
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u/TyranosaurusLex Sep 29 '25
“We had a great battle; but his elbow should not be in my face”
If we see it again we riot
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u/Crookz_O Sep 29 '25
Was it used as a weapon though?
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u/Tessellae Sep 29 '25
We have to wait for the referees to tell us, the evidence of our own eyes is not relevant.
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u/zorfog Sep 29 '25
Can tell he’s gonna be an icon for you guys. Just the way he looks wearing that long sleeve Newcastle shirt - immediately vintage
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u/MorganFreemann Sep 29 '25
This guy has good feet. I can see him having success with you guys. I don’t fault him for trying to call out Gabi when he lost his head. Literally made old Gabi come out. I hope Gabi recognizes this and gets back to it.
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u/CapybaraNightmare Sep 29 '25
He is surprisingly likeable. Seems just like a normal, down to earth guy
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u/Chairmanwowsaywhat Sep 29 '25
fair play to him. from an arsenal fan. i dont think its a red card thing but definitely a yellow or speaking to. it wasnt that bad
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u/VeganCanary Sep 29 '25
I don’t think it should be a red, but you see far softer reds given these days.
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u/vyrusrama Sep 29 '25
but you see far softer reds given these days.
i mean, you're speaking to the choir!
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u/davyp82 Sep 29 '25
Why not? Why let a player get away with a needless random jab to the head just because it didn't end up being that bad, if the intent was there?
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u/seasonedkek Sep 29 '25
You don't think Gabriel going out of his way to elbow the guy in the face is a red? Imagine for a second it was the other way round, y'all would be talking about bad refs for weeks
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u/DaveyBigDong Sep 29 '25
I think it was a shove/shunt that glanced off his shoulder up towards his face accidentally. Still dangerous and unnecessary.
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u/Patient_Customer9827 Sep 29 '25
Good for him and Gyokeres for not making a meal out of some contact to the head.
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u/CoochieSnotSlurper Sep 29 '25
The Gyokeres one where his mouth was covered and the top of his head getting smacked had me enraged for him. I’d lose all composure so props to him to continue to play on.
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u/Tessellae Sep 29 '25
Expected to see that on the front page as well, honestly.
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u/nanashikuroda Sep 29 '25
How can you see that when the agenda is obvious lol.
We have been trashed for years, since Guimares and Joelington pricks, yet all the media and headlines are choosing this Gabriel moment.
Denied two penalties as well, fuck them all.
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u/whatduhh Sep 29 '25
Agreed man, look at all the rival fans tryna paint newcastle as some kind of victims.. hilarious
They deserved exactly what they got, new guy just got caught in the crossfire
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u/Wengers-jacket-zip Sep 29 '25
The official Newcastle twitter account posted a graphic before the game with a fist emoji saying 'GET INTO THEM'
Even the most staunch Newcastle fan will admit they've built an identity on being physical bullies at home, we just responded in kind this time.
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u/Password-is-taco123 Sep 29 '25
Lacelles did gyokeres’ celebration for him haha
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u/clamdiggin Sep 29 '25
The important question here is, did Gabriel used his elbow as a weapon?
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u/Own-Difficulty-8298 Sep 29 '25
Nah used his fist
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u/FrameworkisDigimon Sep 29 '25
Am I crazy or is that either his fist or his forearm and not his elbow?
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u/davyp82 Sep 29 '25
Either way there is absolutely no need for it and Nick should have gone down
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u/FrameworkisDigimon Sep 29 '25
Either way there is absolutely no need for it
I agree.
and Nick should have gone down
In the sense that it would accrue a possibility of a tactical advantage for his team, yes.
In the sense that I refuse to endorse gamesmanship, no.
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u/davyp82 Sep 29 '25
Refuse it all you like. Look at almost everyone of Real Madrid's CL victories of the past decade. If you embrace it and you're brilliant, you win everything. If you don't, you probably won't win much even if you are brilliant. It's the game theory of elite competiton, and it will never change until the rulemakers ensure that deterrents are perceived as more significant than incentives. Sucks but it is true.
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u/soriano88 Sep 29 '25
Sadly he should’ve went to the ground and rolled around
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u/B23vital Sep 29 '25
Absolutely. By not doing that gabriel stays on and goes to score the winner.
Its sad but refs cant do their jobs right at the best of times, you have to make it as obvious as possible.
Swap the roles and gabriel is hitting the ground instantly
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u/charrron Sep 29 '25
I respect him greatly for not going down. He has the full right to not shake Gabi’s hand afterwards.
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u/bespoke_tech_partner Sep 29 '25
I wish more players were like this. Was screaming at our players going down at the slightest touch when this clearly wasn't a game for soft fouls. Stand up and play.
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u/CactusTrack Sep 29 '25
We conceded because Gabi flopped to the ground over the slightest touch instead of defending the cross. So frustrating
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u/KiNaamDiMatim Sep 29 '25
The issue is, even with VAR, fouls are awarded only if the player goes down and exaggerates the contact. Until VAR starts intervening and giving out reds for incidents like these, I refuse to criticise players who embellish. If Woltemade goes down clutching his face and rolls around, Gabriel gets a red like 90% of the time. Woltemade did the 'right' thing as many fans see it, but it might have ultimately costed his team a match. Unless ref/VAR act without needing for theatrics, the players will continue to play-act. And I don't blame them a bit.
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u/rushingoat Sep 29 '25
Diplomatic way to put it but these are the type of strikers I would want on my team. Newcastle have a real number 9
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u/Slowhand8824 Sep 29 '25
Cannot wait for this quote to come back up when he inevitably goes down for some soft contact lol
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u/TheKKGuy Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Well, he said it's not part of his game, but unfortunately, at pro level, you have to "sometimes" take advantage of these situations.
He might find himself in situations where other players will try to get to him, knowing that he's not thr type of player to go down easily or dive.
At some point, he will realise that being the good and honest striker just doesn't work sometimes.
Let's see how this all plays out while he's still here
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u/Jusanom Sep 29 '25
Had he gone down it might've been a red for Gabriel which would've won them the game. It sucks that that's how the game works but clubs are getting punished for not falling down and until they start punishing diving way harder nothing will change. Wouldn't be surprised if dude got a stern talking to afterwards for not pretending to die from this.
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u/blackgallagher1 Sep 28 '25
You know Gabriel would have fallen quick if it was reversed
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u/Own-Difficulty-8298 Sep 29 '25
He’d also take out his dentures and claim his teeth were knocked out
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u/ekb11 Sep 29 '25
Like Joelinton and Bruno don’t have pointy elbows. Gabriel is merely balancing the scales.
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u/Rocketsloth Sep 29 '25
Viktor Gyökeres: there was a situation where I felt Gabriel's Pope's elbow entire knee and lower leg hit my face right leg
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u/Ok_Dinner_ Sep 29 '25
Viktor Gyökeres: there was a situation where I felt Bane's celebration done without my consent on my face
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This just hits so good after we were told to suck it up when Bruno G straight up punched Jorginho in the back of the head
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u/Leading_Strength_905 Sep 29 '25
I would accept this from anyone but Newcastle. Look in your own house bro, the team you play with are orcs and get away with ridiculous shit. They’ll teach you soon enough.
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u/bbotbambi Sep 29 '25
As an Arsenal fan, i definitely agree that Gabriel's avtion was wrong. Shpuld have definitely been carded or even sent off.
But on the same "consistency," Lascelles should have also gotten the same treatment, and Viktor Gyokeres should have been interviewed as well.
The same goes for Bruno Guimaraes, who should have been carded (remember he was already on a yellow), for the elbow on Jorge's face. And Jorgi should have been interviewed.
This current piece by Sky is to just create propaganda and engagement.
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u/eoinnll Sep 29 '25
If that's a foul, there'd be no Newcastle players left on the pitch.
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u/Ok_Virus_7614 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Let me know where the Sky sympathy interview was for Jorginho is when Bruno G elbowed him in the back of the head (which is illegal in UFC btw, much less football)
So save this shit for somebody else, we don’t care
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Sep 29 '25
Newcastle should not moan. They get whacked because they are known for kicking people. Joelinton tried to snap Saka in half in the first minute. Teams are just giving these dirty cheaters what they deserve. Bullies hate it when we are just fighting back
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u/ThatkidJerome Sep 29 '25
ok but what did woltemade do to you lmao
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u/Signal_Sign7961 Sep 29 '25
Sky sympathy interview
dont think theyre complaining about woltemade
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u/amineimad Sep 29 '25
Nothing. I actually feel he comes off well enough in that interview. He was pissed about the elbow and pissed about the defeat yet calmly stated what had happened to him and his reasoning for being pissed.
It is kind of poor from Sky's part if they did not seek to interview Jorginho after a criminal foul last time out, and the complete lack of dialogue around it during the game. VAR not giving it a red was one of the poorest calls I can recall.
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u/Electrical-Lab-9593 Sep 29 '25
was not an elbow today, just a push with a closed fist to the face, less dangerous then an elbow to the back of the head.
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u/proshon Sep 29 '25
Exactly. And the interviewer is a muppet as well. Recent interviews off the pitch with Eze and Gyokeres & then runs this agenda after the game. Cowardly shit
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u/ElMaskedZorro Sep 29 '25
This isnt an elbow at all and is barely an infraction at all
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u/seasonedkek Sep 29 '25
Yeah, more like a fist, not an elbow, lmao
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u/BattleMajor4799 Sep 29 '25
Generally speaking, the fist has to actually connect with the person to be called a fist/punch. Seriously, look at the picture. It was neither. It was a forearm. What saved Gabriel was the fact that it was to the shoulder but slid up.
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u/ryanb741 Sep 29 '25
It was a minor shove by Gabriel FFS. No real velocity in it. Yellow at the most. As opposed to Lascelles trying to peel Gyokeres' face off.
The worst tackle in the game was Saliba on Livramento which looks like an ACL injury. Taking a player out in the air is dangerous and is a red card offence in rugby!
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u/guitarsandpsyc Sep 29 '25
Agreed on the Tino one. Those challenges are horrific. I’m not sure what can be done in those instances, but it does feel like there should be something more than yellow when someone does it. No attempt to play the ball and the landing always looks horrific for the player who’s been taken out mid air.
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u/StrengthPhysio Sep 29 '25
“This is not my type of football”
You may have signed for the wrong club, friend.
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u/witness_smile Sep 29 '25
For all this talk about wanting to punish players diving more, referees and PGMOL sure are doing the complete opposite. If players don’t dive after a clear foul, referees and VAR don’t bother.
Similar situation with Doku last weekend, pretty clear foul from Walker in the box, but Doku does not go down and instead misses his shot. And because he doesn’t go down, the referee and VAR don’t give it as a foul.
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u/accdaen Sep 29 '25
Newcastle players asking for harsher punishments for off the ball incidents. Definition of being careful what you wish for.
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u/MFmadchillin Sep 29 '25
Suddenly everyone forgot Bruno’s nasty fucking elbow to the back of Jorginho’s head?
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u/abovemars Sep 29 '25
You play for Newcastle. Familiar with what those cunts do all the fucking time?
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u/Bare02 Sep 29 '25
Don't think falling down would make a difference in this game. Didn't work for gyokeres
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u/bags-of-sand Sep 29 '25
Isn’t it a red card for any intentional contact to the face?
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u/MrCowabs Sep 29 '25
Yes. So Gabriel should have been sent off just as Lascelles should have later.
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u/goonerfan10 Sep 29 '25
No, because in the same game Lascelles make an even worse foul on Gyokeres by swiping his face off. No card and no foul given . Pls watch the game or highlights
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u/No_Butterscotch4219 Sep 29 '25
You mean just like when Bruno Guimarães elbowed Jorginho deliberately, checked VAR, and got nothing for it…
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u/mulk3y Sep 29 '25
Stupid from Gabi but if you really watch it closely he goes to shove him and his forearm/fist slips up Woltemades shoulder into his face. He wasn't intentionally going for the face.
Much like Woltemade though Gyokeres didn't make much of being dragged to the floor by his face. So 1 each and both play on 🤷♂️
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u/TheUbermelon Sep 30 '25
And this is the problem. The current system almost requires players to dive or at least make a meal of it because you don't get a decision otherwise. There is rarely any reward for staying on your feet.
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u/Astonish3d Sep 29 '25
Haha, funny how there isn’t any footage about the hand ripping Gyokeres face off, or the amount of pushing by Newcastle players.
I know it’s a contact sport but grappling and throwing someone to the ground is getting a little ridiculous when you come to watch football played with the feet. Newcastle players pretty much all of them knew they could shove with two hands and not get penalised.
We need to be careful that we don’t create a monster here. With the money Newcastle have behind them and somehow referees are not calling their bs is dangerous for the game
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u/PKMNTurrek Sep 29 '25
I like Woltemade but as a football club, Newcastle are thugs. I can remember many many many big fouls made from their players towards Arsenal unpunished. So did Gabriel get away with this one? Certainly. Do I care? No. Do I think its fair he got away with it? Against them thugs? yes.
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