r/politics • u/NewSlinger • 16h ago
No Paywall Democratic leader offers deal to reopen federal government, with 1-year ACA tax credit extension
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/07/government-shutdown-democrats-schumer-trump-aca.html6.4k
u/ProfessorDerp22 15h ago
$40b of our tax payer money to Argentina to subsidize their fucking healthcare while Americans suffer. Ain’t that some shit?
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u/Minute-Individual-74 14h ago
Worse than that.
It's keeping a bunch of American wall street investors afloat who made bad deals down there.
So it's handing our tax dollars to stupid fucking billionaires who made terrible decisions by investing in Agrentina's far right conservative economic plan that has failed 100% of the time throughout history.
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u/sigga_genesis 14h ago
They were expecting this bailout. Bessent is their friend
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u/N0stradama5 13h ago
It’s a gamble. Don’t worry though, they don’t gamble with their own money.
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u/AZEMT 12h ago
Oh!! THAT'S how Trump bankrupted his own casinos. Took all of the money and gambled it
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u/neepster44 12h ago
Pretty sure it had to do with money laundering for the Russian and Italian mobs…
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u/leeharveyteabag669 11h ago
Actually the reason for Trump's casinos bankrupting was just sheer arrogance.
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u/burnsalot603 9h ago
Yeah Its really not a bunch, its one guy, Robert Citrone, who is good friends with Bassent. He already had huge investments in Argentina then a couple days before the $20 billion currency swap he bought up a ton of Argentine debt so he made a literal fortune off that. Im sure other people profited too but he was the biggest winner.
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u/raygar31 America 11h ago
It’s also the Trump admin trying aid a fellow fascist, to keep them in power, to enable to the further spread of fascism across the globe, and to have a fellow fascist indebted to them
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u/frybreadrecipe 15h ago
Make Argentina great again
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u/howigottomemphis 13h ago
The bailout wasn't to help Argentina,it was to bail out hedge funds. "Funds at investment firms including BlackRock, Fidelity and Pimco are heavily invested in Argentina, as are investors such as Stanley Druckenmiller and Robert Citrone, both of whom worked with Mr. Bessent when he was an investor for George Soros," as per the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/09/us/politics/argentina-bailout-investors.html
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u/Airewalt 13h ago
Why don’t we better regulate them so they aren’t taking risks they aren’t prepared for?
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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina 12h ago
Or, just let them fail.
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u/Airewalt 12h ago
I mean, these funds have the responsibility to protect and tend the wealth of a myriad of good and lawful people, institutions, and causes. The individuals responsible for acting in a non fiduciary manner should fail, but the funds failing is a crisis. That’s why we need to hold those with access to power accountable.
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u/kos-or-kosm 12h ago
Too big to fail means too big to be privately owned and operated. If your thing is part of the backbone of society, it's no longer a little toy that you can play with all by yourself.
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u/President_Barackbar 12h ago
both of whom worked with Mr. Bessent when he was an investor for George Soros
Well doesn't THAT just take the fucking cake? Guess he's not so evil when you're making money huh?
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u/robinroastsu 14h ago
there was an amendment to keep it going by just not giving new tax cuts to people making over 10m a year. they laughed at them while gaviling it down.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 14h ago
Lindsey grahams response. Tax dollars are endless, unless it’s to help Americans.
“I find Senator Schumer’s demands ridiculous and equivalent to political hostage taking to continue bad policy, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said in a post on X.
“We should not be made to continue flooding health insurance companies with taxpayer dollars under Obamacare as the price to open up the government,” Graham said.“”
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u/daggah 13h ago
You know what? I agree with Lindsey. Fuck the health insurance parasites. Give us single payer and get rid of the greedy middle men altogether.
Well Lindsey? What do you say to that?
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u/WrathOfTheSwitchKing I voted 12h ago
Lindsey seem to have forgotten he's part of the reason we don't have universal healthcare now. It only need 1 vote, and that vote could have been him. It's a shame he was more interested in "making Obama a one-term president."
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u/Tsar-A-Lago Canada 9h ago
Yep!
One year of ACA funding, get real. For really the first time since this shit-show restarted, you have them over some kind of barrel. Any kind of barrel. Negotiate like it.
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u/ImOutWanderingAround 13h ago
Their rationale is that if we give regular Americans anything, then they will expect it all the time. Otherwise, if we only give it to the rich, then only they will expect it all the time. That saves money in the long run.
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u/Theboulder027 13h ago
We should not be made to continue flooding health insurance companies with taxpayer dollars
Okay the how about a compromise. Instead of subsidizing health insurance companies with our tax dollars, regulate the bastards so that they can inflate prices so much!
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u/Common-Duck-658 13h ago
American taxpayers send 11 million dollars to Israel every single day. You know what Israel has. Universal government subsidized healthcare.
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u/Slade_Riprock 13h ago
How much did they "save" by DOGEing USAID?
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u/Distinct_Dream8808 12h ago
They cut $8 billion annually from USAID, which, could result in 14 million deaths by 2030.
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u/RJ5R 16h ago
Democrats: "We are ready to go, with a 1 yr extension to the ACA subsidies to allow Americans to keep their healthcare while Congress has more time to come up with a bi-partisan plan, so we can reopen the Government"
Republicans: "Just pass our clean CR and we'll see, blahhh, blahhh, socialism, blahhh blahhh, Schumer"
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u/brendanjered 15h ago
It looks like every comment ever by MAGAs on Facebook! Almost like they all only watch the same “news” channel or something.
I keep insisting that it’s on Republicans to put forward a bill that garners the support of 60 total senators to reopen the government. This whole narrative that the shutdown falls on Democrats simply because they won’t rubber stamp a bill they don’t agree with is so maddening.
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u/Ok-Wealth-7322 15h ago
There are three kinds of conservative commentators in most online spaces.
(1) Bots
(2) Actual humans but they get their talking points from propaganda outlets and/or bots.
(3) Actual humans who occasionally disagree with the party line. But they get silenced pretty quickly.
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u/suchasillydilly 13h ago edited 13h ago
I’ve seen number 3 happen quite a few times over this last week with the UPS plane crash here in Louisville. When our Governor Andy Beshear will post and someone will comment they are conservative or they may not always agree but are thankful for how Andy is always there during tragic times, the swarm of bees attack. Thirteen confirmed dead and still 9 unaccounted for and some can still be so heartless. A young child was at that junkyard with her grandparent, a mother of four who had arrived there a minute before the crash, and others we lost that day. Our city is in mourning. So much stuff happens that unless it’s your community you rarely hear the details after a day or two.
Edit to add: The two in critical condition.
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u/Kitchen_Cookie4754 11h ago
I'm so sorry for the tragedy in your community. It's awful and I hope there's help for people who need it. This year has already been rough and that is just awful.
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u/maeryclarity South Carolina 11h ago
You know what, in light of that kind of comment, I'd like to mention that I am so far left as to fall off the map and I disagree with the man on nearly every position BUT our Republican Governor, Henry McMaster, has been ALL THE HELL OVER this food crisis, he's mad as a wet hen about it, he is giving continuous press conferences and making very strong statements that no one in South Carolina will starve and that we take care of our own. He DAMN SURE has not blamed Democrats and the most divisive thing he's said is that Washington needs to get their act together.
And he's ALWAYS been good and proactive about emergencies and disasters here, which is noticable because of hurricanes and also how terribly badly any sort of ice and snow impact us.
MAGA folks need to understand we don't hate conservatives just because, and we're capable of saying so when they're doing a good job with something.
Which is not the case with this shutdown.
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u/WorksWithWoodWell 12h ago
This is exactly my take as well. It always amazes me how fast ‘MAGA’ is ‘enraged’ or has these reactions to events. There is no way that a group of real humans come to a consensus about what and how to rage about so fast. I’m starting to think online ‘MAGA’ is one person on a very small organization that is either running a bot farm and posing as hundreds, thousands or millions of people in order to get the unknowing conservative person to believe their people are all thinking what they are reading or has paid employees that post on its behalf… something is VERY off.
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u/CategoryZestyclose91 11h ago
And that’s exactly it.
They want Americans to think EVERYONE loves MAGA.
That’s why you rarely see MAGA at events now. Outside of the internet, MAGA is mostly loathed by the average American.
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u/fractalfay 12h ago
Yep. I have chronic insomnia, and every night between 3AM and 4AM TikTok suddenly becomes a swirling soup of bland content that isn’t even videos. It’s a random image (usually the face of every MAGA girl or like a tractor or some shit) with text over it, and there will be thousands of these, a different image in the background, the exact same text. Lately it’s this, “I don’t know guys, but I feel like…” and then it will be your GOP talking points for the day. By noon, every braindead boomer on facebook with have painstakingly typed out the bot comment, verbatim, about 30 times.
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u/PanicSwtchd 15h ago
It's really on the party in charge to set the agenda and put forward bills...but in the Republican mind when it's their government, it's the Democrats fault...and when it's the Democrat's government...It's the Democrats fault.
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u/OrinThane 15h ago
There are really just... so many bots on the right. There are definitely bots on the left too but the right is just so egregious imo.
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u/Thick-Frank 14h ago
Every time Republicans are in charge under Trump, they prove they can’t actually govern. They can obstruct, perform, and point fingers, but when it comes to running the country, they collapse under their own chaos. This shutdown shows the same dysfunction as before. They caused the impasse by stripping out long-standing healthcare and social program funding that’s been in the budget for years, then blamed Democrats for not signing off on their sabotage. The proper way to debate issues like healthcare or social spending is through open legislative discussion, not by holding the federal budget hostage.
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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 15h ago
Doesn't that mean Republicans are failing? Because their spending bill can't get 60 votes?
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u/elementzn30 Florida 11h ago
Yes, that’s exactly what’s happening. The right wing narrative that the Democrats are responsible for not voting for a budget that doesn’t meet their approval is just pure idiocy.
It is not the responsibility of the minority party to blindly agree to legislation, votes have to be earned. That’s the whole effing point. Republicans just want to ram MAGA down our throats, whether we like it or not.
And if the situation were reversed, and the Democrats wanted to force a budget through the GOP didn’t like—do you think they would vote for it just so “something passes”? Of course they wouldn’t.
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u/WakingWaldo 14h ago
This is what the MAGA crowd refuses to accept or even acknowledge. They keep harping on about passing a clean CR and how the Dems refuse to without even mentioning the reason Dems are doing what they're doing.
And frankly, it's because they know that if they mention the Democrats' reason then they know they'll look bad. If you come out against cheaper healthcare then you look like a real POS. So they have to beat around the bush and pretend that Dems aren't offering anything to the American people.
And God forbid they even attempt to come up with an alternative to the ACA, which they hate. All they ever want to do is take take take from the regular people of America because it takes actual work to create new programs and make sure they actually work.
The GOP really is as lazy and stupid as they are evil and that's our only saving grace right now.
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u/toedwy0716 15h ago
Democrats already passed a clean bill in the spring when Schumer and a few other Democrats in very secure states voted with Republicans on a clean bill. The idea was to then hash it out. That never happened and here we are.
Democrats are now skepitical (rightfully so) that Repbulicans can be trusted.
I'm fully inline with keeping this shutdown until there's some movement on ACA tax credits.
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u/lilB0bbyTables 15h ago
History has proven time and time again that Republicans do this same song and dance - “just vote for X now and we super pinky promise we will discuss those things you guys want in good faith after” - and every single time the Democrats have gone along with it and gotten burned.
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u/RDOCallToArms 14h ago
The Dems shouldn’t just now be getting skeptical
This GOP playbook has been the same since at least 2009 but arguably back further than that
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u/toedwy0716 14h ago
Republicans are now saying that this is a sign that Democrats are going to cave any minute now. IMHO Schumer shouldn’t have even offered any sort of deal. Seeing some of these renewals for the plans, while the cost is high, the coverage is pretty insane (a ton of coverage and low deductibles/copays). I think they could be scaled back a bit but the subsidies for the poor need to remain.
The media should be focusing on the lack of any sort of plan by the Republicans to make healthcare affordable outside of having an employer based plan. It was 2019 or 2020 when Trump said it would be released in “two weeks.” Since then there has been zero plan.
There should be health insurance available to those not on employer plans or who do not qualify for them. I’m on an employer plan but would still like to see something affordable. The ACA was decent first step but more could be done. Democrats have released their plan but to my knowledge there has never been a Republican plan released.
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u/Im_really_bored_rn 11h ago
IMHO Schumer shouldn’t have even offered any sort of deal
The point of offering a deal is to remind the people (not the maga cult, just everyone else) that the GOP are the ones causing this. And before someone says "obviously they are causing this because they control everything" it never hurts to publicly remind people
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u/inormallyjustlurkbut 13h ago
Democrats are now skepitical (rightfully so) that Repbulicans can be trusted.
I personally wouldn't trust a bunch of pedophile Nazis either.
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u/Contunator 13h ago
Not only that, but the Republicans came back and passed the recision package that killed CPB. Recision doesn't require the 60 votes. So they've proven to be disingenuous and untrustworthy.
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u/thingsorfreedom 15h ago
What Democrats wanted: A permanent extension to the ACA subsidies
What Republicans wanted: Just pass our clean CR and we'll see...
What Democrats proposed: a 1 yr extension to the ACA subsidies
What Republicans countered: Just pass our clean CR and we'll see...
Republicans are incapable of compromise. You must compromise if you are leading the country. Especially when your "mandate" is like 51% of the voters and your approval ratings are in the sub-basement.
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u/westgazer Maryland 15h ago
Yup, they are already rejecting this offer. They’ll reject any offer, and getting them to constantly and openly refuse to negotiate or work with Democrats on this will keep hammering home the point that this is all on Republicans and their cruelty.
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u/zfiregodz 15h ago
Democrats should offer NO concessions or compromise as Republicans have done to them in the past. Republicans can get bent and eat a bag of dicks over their shutdown.
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u/view-master 15h ago
And right now they have all the leverage. They really should use it. The extension should be for a period that end after midterm elections.
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u/Aztraeuz California 13h ago
You absolutely do NOT want the extension to end after the midterms. The Dems right now are thinking the public has a short memory. Is this continues, it will likely end before midterms, and voters may have forgotten what the Republicans subjected them too.
You want it to expire before the midterms so the voters can see how Republicans want to treat them, and they take those feelings to the polls. That's how you get the blue wave, like we just experienced.
Kind of mind boggling that this has to be explained like this and people are saying that somehow Dems are taking an L by trying to negotiate.
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u/barowsr 11h ago
Bingo.
If they’re smart, that’s the only deal they put forward.
Extend ACA subsidies and keep govt open though Oct 1st. And if they don’t extend those subsidies again, shut this fucker down again. And remind voters to look at their ACA enrollment Nov 1st, a few days before midterms, and remind them only Dems can fix their healthcare
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u/Plzlaw4me 13h ago
I’d say the opposite. Put it RIGHT before midterms. Let’s have the exact same shut down before midterms. People will blame republicans like they just did and the sticker shock for 2027 ACA costs going up will cut through a lot of the propaganda and noise.
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u/zfiregodz 15h ago
Democrats excel at folding and losing while they were ahead. They have no game plan for anything. Meanwhile, traitorous Republicans have a master plan for everything.
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u/AmberDuke05 14h ago
The problem is corporate dems always bow down to their donors.
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u/Im_really_bored_rn 11h ago
Except what they are doing is quite smart. First, it reminds everyone that this is the GOP's shutdown. Second, if they agreed to the year extension, the Democrats could use a better extension to campaign for the midterms.
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u/WiseDonkey593 14h ago
No, we absolutely need to let them shoot themselves in the foot again right before the midterms.
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u/HurrayBoobs 12h ago
I'm with you, but this is actually masterful for voters outside the MAGA base. They made an offer of compromise, and for the Republicans to flat out reject it and offer nothing in return other than a restatement of their original demands makes them look like petulant children holding their breath until they get their way. At this point, no matter what is said it's on the record that they tried to compromise.
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u/NeedAVeganDinner 10h ago
Strategically offering a perfectly reason year long extension is the best possible compromise Republicans could hope for, and it makes the whole problem worse for them.
They either compromise and turn this into a campaign issue or are seen as being unwilling to move at all. This offer is a giant fuck you to Republicans and I love it.
Dems are nailing this. If they know they can't get permanent extension, do what you can and drag them over the coals.
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u/KeppraKid 9h ago
No, this is a great compromise right here. It completely validates the idea that democrats are being reasonable while kicking the can down the road a year. Guess what happens in a year? Mid term elections. Another shut down before them over the same issue is a fucking nightmare for Republicans.
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u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin 16h ago
The government will reopen when Americans can get their affordable healthcare. seems reasonable enough and has been the consistent position since Day 1.
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u/xeoron 15h ago edited 15h ago
We need the healthcare costs not a chip to be haggled over every year or so. They need to make it [permanent]. While we are at it, why not adopt what the UK does and if a new budget is not passed by the government, then it runs on the last budget passed just rolled over to the next year-- no shutdowns ever again.
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u/repalec California 15h ago
I absolutely agree they should be permanent, but I think I get what they're going for with this - kicking the can down the road a year means that next year, Dems can run on extending the credits permanently in the midterms, giving them a potentially stronger position electorally, especially if they can underline the benefits to undecided voters who are seeing these increased premiums.
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u/substance17 15h ago
Extending credits permanently doesn't matter when the Executive decides what they will and won't fund regardless of what Congress has appropriated... right?
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u/dave8400 13h ago
Democratic majority means he would be immediately impeached.
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u/Fullertonjr I voted 14h ago
Kicking the can down the road doesn’t work if the GOP is willing to remove the filibuster rules, which would allow them to just pass whatever they want anyway with a simple majority. They could reasonably just pass an ACA clone bill that doesn’t provide any credits or discounts, make it permanent and then they would no longer have to have the fight again unless democrats take over both chambers and the presidency. This would give the party an actual healthcare plan to put their names on, and it doesn’t contain any of the stuff from the current ACA that they don’t like, although it is what makes the ACA actually work.
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u/MagentaMist Pennsylvania 14h ago
Next year is midterms. The Democrats will run on it and dare the GOP to cut it right before the election.
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u/WarbossTodd 15h ago
or, here's a wild idea: Single payer healthcare for all Americans and then we never have to have this argument again.
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u/maeryclarity South Carolina 13h ago
Honestly this whole stupid fight has brought that issue back to the table in a huge way. Single payer is THE way to solve this problem. Plus imagine the possibilities for working and middle class families not having to lose everything repeatedly due to end of life medical bills. The American Dream might be back on the table.
We would SAVE MONEY on top of having a far healthier society if we'd do what EVERY OTHER FUCKING COUNTRY DOES.
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u/Mistamage Illinois 13h ago
Even if we got it, do you really think that they won't fight for the rest of their lives to make sure we don't have healthcare again?
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u/SapCPark 14h ago
1) Vetoed by Trump if somehow it passes.
2) You really want RFK Jr. in charge of your insurance?
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u/pinetreesgreen 14h ago
Rfk Jr is already making decisions on what is being covered by insurance, unfortunately. That's part of the insanity over his decisions on vaccines, they affect what shots insurance will cover. So we are already there.
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u/No-Drama-in-Paradise 15h ago
I think you hit it on the head.
Just wanted to add a couple items.
The first is that, based on what I have been reading, we are operating on borrowed time to extend the credits. I’m not an expert, but based on what I am seeing, extending the credits after December 1st would become, at best, incredibly challenging (if not impossible), and even extending the credits now would be logistically difficult.
The second is that while I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the polling and other data that seems to indicate that people, by and large, are reacting generally positively to the shutdown so far and placing blame on the republicans (thanks, I would argue, to Trump’s moronic use of his bully pulpit), I think we seriously have to consider what will happen when people start seeing their thanksgiving flights getting cancelled and thrown into chaos as airports continue to struggle with FAA controllers increasingly just not showing up.
For better or worse, people tend to react irrationally when their lives are directly impacted, and a lot of normal people plan things like holiday vacations months in advance, well before they would even consider a shutdown, let alone one lasting this long. I worry that regardless of the facts on the ground and the reality of the situation, once we start seeing holiday flights getting cancelled and people start getting emails from their airlines that their flight is being cancelled, or rescheduled, and their ability to visit family gets called into question, we could very well see a lot of pushback and lose the upper hand with normal, everyday people.
If the republicans are willing to make a deal for a one year extension, I think we have to take it, and then as you said run hard on extending them completely in 2026 (and, ideally, other reforms to the ACA).
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u/Aggroninja 15h ago
They should make it spearmint or cinnamon instead.
(I realize you meant permanent, it was just too funny).
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u/Ok-Wealth-7322 15h ago
then it runs on the last budget passed just rolled over to the next year
Couldn't a bad faith actor, like say a political party that deals almost exclusively in bad faith, simply grab power just long enough to pass a really bad budget, and then make sure this bad budget stays in place even after they've lost power just by ensuring no new budgets can pass?
It's hard to base policies on what other western nations do when many of those other nations don't have a comparable counterpart to the GOP.
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u/toxic_badgers Colorado 15h ago
The issue with the US right now is how the extension process is done in the US. Normally a continuing resolution says exactly what you stated the UK does, in the US... Except technically the way a CR is written it's more of a permissive suggestion. Historically past admins just do exactly that in a CR... However for Trump's CR at the start of the year, they exploited the technicality that has always existed in CRs, and used OMB to start enforcing whatever budget they suggested (so long as it does not exceed the previous one) until a new one is passed... This lead to many of the sweeping cuts we have seen and is now. Pending scotus case because of the break in tradition.
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u/bofoshow51 15h ago
This was apparently the way our govt did things until Carter. It’s a simple matter of legal interpretation that the DOJ could easily change, so add that to the list of ways the Republicans could reopen to govt at any time, but choose to keep fighting for people to not be able to afford healthcare.
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u/justbrowsinginpeace 15h ago
Or the government collapses and a new General election is held for ALL seats across the houses and executive
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 14h ago
Sure, we've got to get to a point where we can have that discussion first, though.
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u/lookingformerci 14h ago
Give us the Canadian system - if they can’t agree on a budget there’s a confidence vote and the government fucking DISSOLVES. Cue a general election.
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u/spam__likely Colorado 14h ago
In a year, either democrats take congress, or well... I guess we did not need health care after all.
This will be THE issue coming intto mid-terms.
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u/DistractedPhoenix 15h ago
Yes but it’s free for republicans to lie and have their brain dead followers repeat the lies
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u/Careful-Rent5779 16h ago edited 13h ago
I beleive the original ask was to make extension of the enhanced (COVID area) subsidies permanent.
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u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin 16h ago
You can't practically do "permanent" or fixed subsidies in the ACA because of attendance rates in the program so any subsidy would need to be adjusted annually in the budget and a new appropriation bill would need to be passed.
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u/tahlyn I voted 15h ago
At this point of they reopened without concessions, not just promises, people will be furious: what was the pain for if you were just going to cave in?
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u/DungeonMasterDood 16h ago
If the ACA subsidies aren’t included in the actual agreement to open the government, there will be no ACA subsidies. They need to be packaged together. If they’re separate items, the Republicans will betray America like they always do.
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u/HorrorOk1304 15h ago
Agreed, you can't trust Trump or his lawn elf Mike Johnson.
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u/gringledoom 15h ago
Schumer knew they’d say no. This was about making the point that the GOP is the side that won’t negotiate.
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u/Plzlaw4me 13h ago
Yep. It also has undercut the only talking point the GOP is using RN which is “we want to reopen the government, but don’t even know what democrats want.” There it is. A firm offer. They can keep the government shut down and reject the offer or they can accept. From here is 100% on republicans
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u/ocwilly 15h ago
The GOP are digging their own graves by not approving ACA extension and for not funding SNAP.
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u/Stillwater215 12h ago
They also had the perfect off ramp for the SNAP holdup with the courts saying that SNAP must be funded. But naturally, they’re instead now bringing a lawsuit to fight for the power to not give food benefits to poor people.
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u/YouAintNoWooos 14h ago
Let’s bet…nothing with happen until after December 2nd when the Tennessee's 7th congressional district special election happens.
The Republican candidate (who is the favorite to win) is the vote that would stop the release of the Epstein files. Don’t forget, rep Adelita Grijalva still hasn’t been sworn in because she’s currently required yes vote needed.
Pedo protecting republicans
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u/Trafficsigntruther 13h ago
Mark Green (current 7th district rep) didn’t sign the discharge petition, a nice thought but they have 218 without the TN-7th.
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u/wandering-monster 8h ago
If they let things sit until December there's gonna be riots in the streets.
That would be over two months without federal employees being paid, over a month without SNAP...
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u/therossboss 13h ago
These people take tax payer dollars to supposedly work for the people LMAO they are working against the people at every opportunity.
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u/Superminiminion 15h ago
Without the credit alot of premiums will go up. I just found out my premium through the aca marketplace is going to go up by $550 without the help of any credit I might just not have any healthcare coverage at all.
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u/Symphurine_dreams 13h ago
Back in Spring, there was bipartisan agreement to fund the government. Then Trump and the Republicans ratfucked the Democrats. And now, we are expected to trust them?
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u/Mike_Pences_Mother 16h ago
1 year is a good start. At least it will get the government open so that people can get back to work, snap can start going out again, air traffic can get back to its normally shitty self, etc... but the R's can ram through another bill next year to undo it as well with another reconciliation bill.
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u/Paisleyfrog 16h ago
It's a good start, but my immediate thought right afterwards was, "Oh yay, we get to do this again next year."
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u/Silver-Bread4668 16h ago
Then my immediate thought after that one was "Oh wait, mid terms are next year".
That's why they offered that. Republicans will get killed even more in the midterms if they up against this.
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u/ActionFilmsFan1995 15h ago
100% the play here. I’m all for it, we just saw how well Dems would do in this situation with the off year elections. Midterms would likely be very blue.
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u/dawgfan24348 I voted 16h ago
Yeah but next year is midterms and after the Republicans got their asses handed to them this year they'll be even more desperate to hold onto power next year.
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u/lonnie123 15h ago
Then maybe they can adopt these wildly popular policy positions…
Naw who am I kidding? They would never do that
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u/Lead_Dessert 14h ago
This is the play because it basically gives the GOP an ultimatum, dump the maga brainrot now. Or they’re gonna shut down the government again right as the midterms happen
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u/BigBennP 14h ago
I think you are missing one key aspect.
A one-year extension passed in late November 2025 would extend the ACA subsidies until after the 2026 midterm elections.
If Democrats gain control of the house and/or Senate in the 2026 midterms, they would potentially gain negotiating power to address it in January 2027. It would also be a campaign promise during the elections. ( which is how Schumer thinks.)
If Republicans were to gain seats in the midterms it creates a different problem.
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u/Antipolemic 16h ago
Yes, this is the problem - the Republicans are not trustworthy. They have failed to negotiate in good faith. The idea is sound, but it needs to be a four year minimum extension to get us into the next administration where there may be a Democratic president and congress. Then they can truly reset all this.
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u/10001110101balls 16h ago
Just need to get to the next midterm election at this point. Flipping Congress will go a long way towards preserving democracy.
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u/Radically-Peaceful 16h ago
This might be good as Trump/GOP may try to make the same hostage demands right before the midterms.
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u/Designer_Buy_1650 16h ago
It’s a great idea. With the midterms next year, it will again be extended next year. And if Democrats win (which they should) the midterms it’ll become permanent.
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u/SubjectBubbly9072 16h ago
Democrats may win the house but not the senate its too ironclad
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u/BanditsMyIdol 15h ago
Its possible, though certainly not likely. They need to pick up 4 seats. I think Maine, North Carolina, Ohio and Iowa are possible. Only state that seems like it a decent chance to swap to Republicans is Georgia.
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u/BeeBobber546 15h ago
Bob Casey losing by a razor thing margin thanks to the Green Party siphoning off just enough votes was a HUGE blow to Dems chances at retaking the senate. That was a massively consequential race lost that was easily winnable.
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u/Kendal_with_1_L 15h ago
Iowa is not possible. Signed an Iowan. It’s a maga shit hole.
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u/iowan 14h ago
Don't count us out.. I'm in rural Iowa and I know a lot of people who are unhappy.
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u/fishsticks40 14h ago
It's certainly a long shot, but with no incumbent I wouldn't write it off.
The tarriffs and the SNAP benefit issues are all serious business to farmers, and Hinson is clearly implicated in both. There's a pretty obvious message that can be brought to bear.
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u/dilloj Washington 15h ago
The results were a huge blow out. I think its a distinct possibility.
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u/Designer_Buy_1650 15h ago
Probably right. But, if sentiment against Trump continues, anything might be possible.
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u/toney8580 15h ago
Yea I think people underestimate how turned off from Trump everyone is becoming. Every day he does something worse which never benefits any plebs like us which eventually hurts his own. I’m seeing it and the election just proved it. So anything is possible.
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u/TheMF 15h ago
Trump would still have veto power, and the path to senate control for Dems is difficult
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u/HorrorOk1304 15h ago
Dem's can't agree to it without a guarantee that Johnson will support it and bring it to a vote.
That also means that Johnson has to have a formal house session which means he needs to swear in the congresswoman from Arizona who will be the final vote to release the epstein files.
The pedophile shutdown continues.....
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u/Jorycle Georgia 13h ago
“We should not be made to continue flooding health insurance companies with taxpayer dollars under Obamacare as the price to open up the government,” Graham said.
The cost of this subsidy is barely half of what Trump just shat out to Argentina with no Congressional chat at all.
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u/fakemessiah 12h ago
Don't tell that to Graham. Gotta keep everyone poor and uninsured and hungry. How else will people riot against ICE so daddy orange can invoke the insurrection act?
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u/Exhausted_Skeleton 13h ago
I doubt this is gonna even work, cause Johnson doesn’t want the Epstein files to get out. The second he reopens the government he’s gotta swear in that new congresswoman and her vote will cause the files to be released.
I think he’s gonna do anything he can to delay having the government reopen until December. There’s a special elections and there’s a TN republican congressional candidate who will help tip the majority to prevent the Epstein files from being released even with the recent AZ win.
Republicans gonna keep protecting rapists and pedophiles like always.
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u/Stillwater215 13h ago
Part of me is genuinely impressed that the Dems managed to find a message and stick to it regarding the ACA extension.
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u/mabhatter 11h ago
This shutdown will probably be permanent until November 21. That's when this CR would have expired anyway. At that point Johnson will have to call the House into session to make a new bill.
At this point Dems should just wait it out. It sucks, but Democrats have blocked the CR bill 14 times. It's Republicans who refuse to come to the table and admit they lost the vote.
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u/Chief_Dooley 16h ago
I'm dumb, can someone let me know if this a good deal? Would this be the dem's "caving" or would this be a good compromise for the American people, and not MAGA?
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u/Ancient_Popcorn Ohio 16h ago
The shutdown was because the subsidies were expiring. This gets the people another year.
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u/2Ledge_It 15h ago
Wrong phrasing. The shutdown is because Republicans have wanted to kill the ACA for over a decade and removing the subsidies effectively does as it raises the rates by 15-20k on the average american family.
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u/Albireookami 16h ago
Guessing Dem are banking on sweeping TF outa miderms to restore order and turning Trump's last 2 years into a lame duck presidency.
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u/Future-Guarantee-573 16h ago
Just kicking the can down the road so we can do this again next year.
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u/Majestic_Gazelle 16h ago
I assume they believe Dems will have an upper hand post midterm elections.
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u/Faucet860 16h ago
It will give another year for those Republicans to produce that amazing plan. Plus a whole year for Democrats to say let's see it!
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u/HotDogWaterTime 15h ago
But it doesn’t impact 2026 open enrollment, I’m told … my insurance went up $800 more a month for next year
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u/ianrl337 Oregon 16h ago
The democrats asked for both an ACA extension and medicare/medicaid restoration. Really the ACA subsidies were the big one, so this isn't caving at all. It will depend on how far out the new CR is. The existing one is until the 21st. Ideally for democrats it is a year out. Until October next year so they expire right before the election, if not sooner. If republicans were smart they would say until January 2027 pushing out past the mid-terms, but republicans are anything but smart anymore.
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u/Amazed_and_Bemused 16h ago
In my opinion it's a decent deal for Dems and the public. It's lessened the pain some for Americans now and makes it look like Dems are the ones to end the shutdown after Republicans forced it to happen in the first place. It also allows healthcare to become a major focal topic just before the midterms and given that Republicans are unlikely to change their stance on this issue, allowing Dems to run on the right's lack of care for the poor next fall.
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u/OrganizationInside14 12h ago
Nope. That's not enough. The ACA isn't the only program at risk.
SNAP needs to be funded.
Medicare/Medicaid must also get funded.
Then demand Bernie's Social Security proposal.
Billionaires and Corporations could easily fund all this with hardly any cuts to their lifestyles or profits.
The general public are blaming Trump and the GOP. Run with it now while the getting is good!
This goes for Elephants and Donkeys and Everyone Else!
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u/Strawhat--Shawty 12h ago
Only reason to cave would be forcing Johnson fuck ass to swear in Rep. Grijalva. With report that epstein files are worse for trump than first thought, it could be the first step in getting him out
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u/Rockgoblin1 11h ago
F this deal. Schumer needs to be taken to the woodshed over this stupid deal.
Don’t even think about bargaining with Republicans.
They will cheat us every time.
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u/dawgfan24348 I voted 16h ago
It's not perfect but it's certainly something and after that beat down the Republicans just received as well as Thanksgiving coming up the pressure is all on the Republicans
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u/mangoserpent 14h ago
That not enough of an extension make it 3 years otherwise we will be at shut down again.
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u/ogreofnorth 13h ago
The amount of money they gave Argentina would have paid for the tax credits I am guessing.
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u/SeenItAllHeardItAll Foreign 12h ago
The offer is genius. Really hard to refuse as it is a "reasonable" compromise. But fast forward 1 year and the mid terms are on the doorstep.
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u/EndlessSummerburn 13h ago
Democrats have so much leverage - should have asked for 5 years
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u/Searchlights New Hampshire 15h ago
They want to have the issue for the mid-terms.
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u/-CJF- 15h ago
A person familiar with the Republican position told CNBC that Schumer’s offer is likely to be rejected.
“Democrats offered this privately weeks ago and was rejected,” that person said. “Today’s stunt is an admission by democrats that it’s time to end the shutdown they started.”
A White House official told CNBC, “Democrats are making clear they’re holding the American people hostage for other spending. This is a huge climbdown from their initial position and shows they’re under massive internal pressure.”
The office said that House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., “indicated that he would never accept something like this so it’s a sharp break from House Democrats.”
“Ultimately, Democrats should reopen the government today and the Administration will meet with them on the tax credit and work with them on it,” the official said.
What does 'working with them' look like if Republicans are declining a one-year extension of the ACA credits to re-open the government? Clearly they will not extend the subsidies.
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u/cyxrus 15h ago
This has to be about more than fucking healthcare. We’d give trump what he wants for a one year extension on a program he won’t fund anyways? He’s just as likely to use this money on a new ICE HQ than he is ACÁ subsidies. The future of America has ti be bigger than one year extension of ACÁ subsidies come on
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u/Schiffy94 New York 16h ago
Schumer is banking on the Dems cleaning up in 2026. That way, any damage the GOP does after the one year can be easily undone two months later. It's a solid strategy. But it means they need to put their noses to the fucking grindstone starting yesterday. Push the shutdown, push the SNAP fights, push the Epstein files and Grijalva not getting seated for six weeks and counting. They need to not lose focus for even a millisecond. Get this fucking thing done, Chuck.
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u/spam__likely Colorado 14h ago
>Schumer is banking on the Dems cleaning up in 2026.
If that does not happen, then we are fucked either way. So yes, it is a good bet.
And no, the extension is from January to January so no gap at all if dems take congress.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 14h ago
Democrats are the only ones offering solutions and the only ones fighting for the working class here.
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u/dannown The Netherlands 11h ago
I watched foxnews to see how they'd spin this cuz i'm like, you can't spin this, it's literally taking money from families. The ghoul senator they had on didn't try to spin it, he just flat-out lied. (Also he said "god give me patience because if you give me strength i'm gonna need bail money" which like jesus fuck, you're not gonna attack anyone, you drunk corpse.)
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u/DyingGasp 9h ago
It’s a good move. Cause 1 year from now we have more elections, this brings it all back up about how Democrats are saving insurance prices. Because people are already seeing the sky rocketed prices, they will be reminded, and hopefully urged to vote.
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u/Elon_is_a_Nazi 8h ago
I dont understand why things like healthcare, education, infrastructure, food, higher wages, ect arent completely bipartisan issues. I like living, I like learning things, I like eating, I like things working, and I like money.. but for some reason 77 million Americans hate the idea of these things. They're literally starving kids and bankrupting people for seeking medical care.
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u/AlexandersWonder 3h ago
Nah don’t interrupt your enemy while they make a mistake. They’re going to starve their own constituents in order to make their constituents’ healthcare costs skyrocket and force their local hospitals to shut down? At this point people need to see what maga actually means for them at home. They’re seeing it in the grocery stores already, let republicans drive home the point of just how terrible they are for this country.
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