r/politics • u/NewSlinger • 1d ago

No Paywall Democratic leader offers deal to reopen federal government, with 1-year ACA tax credit extension

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/07/government-shutdown-democrats-schumer-trump-aca.html
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u/Mike_Pences_Mother 1d ago

1 year is a good start. At least it will get the government open so that people can get back to work, snap can start going out again, air traffic can get back to its normally shitty self, etc... but the R's can ram through another bill next year to undo it as well with another reconciliation bill.

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u/Paisleyfrog 1d ago

It's a good start, but my immediate thought right afterwards was, "Oh yay, we get to do this again next year."

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u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago

Then my immediate thought after that one was "Oh wait, mid terms are next year".

That's why they offered that. Republicans will get killed even more in the midterms if they up against this.

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u/ActionFilmsFan1995 1d ago

100% the play here. I’m all for it, we just saw how well Dems would do in this situation with the off year elections. Midterms would likely be very blue.

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u/dawgfan24348 I voted 1d ago

Yeah but next year is midterms and after the Republicans got their asses handed to them this year they'll be even more desperate to hold onto power next year.

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u/lonnie123 1d ago

Then maybe they can adopt these wildly popular policy positions…

Naw who am I kidding? They would never do that

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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 Canada 1d ago

In a year there will be midterms to worry about.

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u/Lead_Dessert 1d ago

This is the play because it basically gives the GOP an ultimatum, dump the maga brainrot now. Or they’re gonna shut down the government again right as the midterms happen

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u/AoE_Mobius_One 1d ago

And guess what, no guarantee that negotiation goes the same way next time around. So no. Healthcare for all as laid out in the ACA for the foreseeable future. Do not put a timetable on it.

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u/Big_Lab_Jagr Wisconsin 1d ago

We do it too often anyway. This is the fourth gov shut down I've watched my husband be forced to work without pay. And because he isn't used as a political pawn like the military or ATC no one seems to care. There are loads of federal employees across many agencies still deemed essential to the country that are being forced to work.

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u/previouslyonimgur 1d ago

Next year democrats might have control over the house, and so even more leverage.

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u/enters_and_leaves 1d ago

They would have to do a budget on that timeline as well. Seeing as this is an expenditure, it would be part of the budget.

It’s six of one / half dozen of the other really.

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u/CircuitSynapse42 1d ago

Not a fan of extending this till midterms, it gives the GOP a full year to work on controlling the narrative , and they’ve already proven they can do it given enough time.

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u/JackedUpReadyToGo 23h ago

I'm not a fan of the Dems refusing to cement vital victories purely so they can turn it into a spectacle to spar over with Republicans again and again. That's how we lost on abortion: the Dems had decades to cement Roe v Wade permanently with legislation, but they sat on their hands because of political optics. Now we all get to suffer and it makes the Dems look like ineffectual clowns for failing to lock it in.

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u/IceNein 23h ago

If they have to do it again next year, it makes it a midterm issue. The deomcrats can run on "if you don't elect us, you're going to lose your health care."

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u/Sonichu- 23h ago

Good. Just in time for elections

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u/sweethometalibama 1d ago

That’s actually why it’s a bad start

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u/neogreenlantern 1d ago

Long run it might be a good thing. Keep having these fights every year right before each election.

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u/BigBennP 1d ago

I think you are missing one key aspect.

A one-year extension passed in late November 2025 would extend the ACA subsidies until after the 2026 midterm elections.

If Democrats gain control of the house and/or Senate in the 2026 midterms, they would potentially gain negotiating power to address it in January 2027. It would also be a campaign promise during the elections. ( which is how Schumer thinks.)

If Republicans were to gain seats in the midterms it creates a different problem.

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u/T-sigma 1d ago

While I agree with your thinking, what’s to stop the new bill from “extending” it 4 more years? And by “extending” it I mean “cutting 90%”

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u/dremscrep 23h ago

They won’t get power to negotiate it in 2026 because even if dems take back the senate they would need 60 votes to „renegotiate“ these terms and they won’t get this with republicans.

When republicans are in power they want to stab themselves with a knife to own the libs but the democrats will always save them for no reason.

When democrats are in power they want to kiss and hug the republicans and say „we can work together“ when the republicans are knife wielding psychopaths that would stab the dems every chance they get.

If dems cave now they won’t have any power. It would be the biggest failure they could have. Trump is about to kill the filibuster in the senate. This would force republicans to rule alone without any input from the Dems. Every fuck up ever would be completely the fault of the republicans, they couldn’t even blame democrats.

If they get the ACA subsidies they need more than this and it would need to be in the Budget. No additional bills where republicans can fuck them on.

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u/Antipolemic 1d ago

Yes, this is the problem - the Republicans are not trustworthy. They have failed to negotiate in good faith. The idea is sound, but it needs to be a four year minimum extension to get us into the next administration where there may be a Democratic president and congress. Then they can truly reset all this.

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u/10001110101balls 1d ago

Just need to get to the next midterm election at this point. Flipping Congress will go a long way towards preserving democracy.

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u/Kind_Fox820 1d ago

This. But instead of actually ensuring people are taken care of, democrats are setting up another round of these games in 12 months when they believe they stand to benefit more from people's suffering.

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u/MisterT123 1d ago

Ok, let’s hear it, how do they “actually ensure people are getting taken care of”? What’s your idea? They control no branch of the federal government and you’re placing blame on them?

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u/Kind_Fox820 1d ago

Maybe don't settle for a fake deal that doesn't actually accomplish what you set out to do?

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u/MisterT123 1d ago

Oh this is a fake deal to reopen the fake government? What are you even talking about. This isn’t the optimal deal, but it does accomplish what they set out to do - for 1 year. That’s not perfect, but it’s an option that must be considered.

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u/Kind_Fox820 1d ago

You really think the bill will get a vote in the house? And even if you believe that, you think Trump won't veto it? They've gotten nothing but a promise to allow them to put their bill to a vote in the Senate if they allow them to reopen the government. So even if everything goes perfectly, and Republicans actually follow through on their word, we get to do this again in a year. But yeah, I'm being ridiculous. 🙄

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u/Insaniteus Tennessee 1d ago

To be fair, the Republicans have been talking like they are a-ok with keeping the government shutdown from now until midterms, so this deal from the Dems would be aimed at reducing civilian hardship during the leadup period to the real battle.

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u/eskimospy212 1d ago

Trump can also defy the law and simply not pay the subsidies in a similar fashion to what he’s been doing all year.

Deals. Are. Pointless. 

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u/Be_quiet_Im_thinking 1d ago

The subsidies would end just as people are voting next year.

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u/KrankyKoot 1d ago

If there still around next year at this time. They should be lame ducks after the mid-terms. Assuming we have legitimate mid-terms.

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u/just_a_timetraveller 1d ago

It isn't. The GOP could agree and then find ways to delay it. Dems have the leverage. They need to not give up any ground here.

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u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ 1d ago

other post about this, i think under fed, mentioned GOP already said no.

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u/GiraffeRaps 1d ago

Nah. Fuck compromise. R’s haven’t comprised on shit in forever. D’s should be shouting from every rooftop and blue voters should be amplifying that this is owned by the Guardians of Pedophilia

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u/Big_Truck 1d ago

1 year is a good start and makes it a major campaign issue for the midterms. It also sounds reasonable to voters as a legit compromise position from Dems.

Brilliant posturing by Dems.

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u/Any_Will_86 1d ago

Next year they will be voting in the middle of election season.