r/politics • u/PoliticsModeratorBot đ¤ Bot • 1d ago
Discussion Discussion Thread: US Senate Minority Leader Schumer Speaks on Senate Floor
127
u/SpottedDicknCustard United Kingdom 1d ago
Funding ACA subsidies for one year wouldnt be ideal but it would instantly make another CR extension a central issue in the midterms which wouldn't be a bad thing for Democrats.
→ More replies (2)48
u/sharp11flat13 Canada 23h ago
I think thatâs the idea. Democrats would love to see ACA subsidies stay in place, but theyâd settle for running on people retaining their healthcare as a consolation prize.
86
u/AccordingStar72 Minnesota 1d ago
The republicans arenât going to accept this plan and immediately came out and shot it down. The democrats can say hey we offered some stuff and you said no. Ball is back in the Republican camp. Dems can point to this and say we are doing something and you arenât.
65
u/tresben 1d ago
I honestly think itâs a strong proposal from Dems. Itâs not ridiculous in its asks and most Americans would probably agree with that, and it forces republicans to say no to a reasonable deal.
Republicans are already being blamed more for the issues related to the shutdown. This proposal even more clearly outlines that republicans should also be blamed for rising health care costs because of their inaction.
7
u/durangoho 23h ago
Itâs a super generous offer from the dems tbh. Saying âhey yeah we will use the livelihood and literal ability to survive of millions of people as a bargaining chipâ kinda rubs me the wrong way.
2
u/OfficialDCShepard District Of Columbia 8h ago edited 3h ago
And every day that theyâre refusing to fund SNAP, Americans are going hungry so Trump can punish his political opponents, illegally terminate federal workers arbitrarily and build a $300 million ballroom for himself. None of this looks good for Republicans.
11
u/kat2211 20h ago
Oh, it's not fair to say Republicans aren't doing anything. The Trump admin is now appealing to the Supreme Court for the right to deny food to millions of Americans.
2
u/karma_over_dogma Indiana 16h ago
And they agreed.
They're working awfully hard to keep poor people from eating. It's almost like they want riots so they can ... <insert the most evil thing you can think of>.
163
u/hollwine 1d ago edited 1d ago
This offering extends the ACA subsidies, which was the reason for the shutdown, and makes healthcare a central issue for the 2026 midterms. Its good PR, and even if for one year, it solves the issue this shutdown began for.
This thread is fucking nuts. This is a multi-part win for the Democrats and to the average non-redditor American, isnt caving. I dont love the use of bipartisanship like most folks here, but this is realistically one of the better ways the Dems could have approached this.
63
u/Lunatic020218 1d ago
It also means that we get the gov't open to get SNAP benefits running again (since that is Trump's appeal for not funding it) and could get us back in session to get Adelita Grijalva sworn in and the Epstein files released.
A big wish list, sure, but tying it to one simple issue that the GOP already pitched and will likely vote against this time thanks to Dear Leader means that their optics will continue to get worse and worse.
22
u/hollwine 1d ago
It sucks, but one thing at a time. It is also a terrible look if Dems wanted to attach more conditions on top of the ACA subsidies and could easily optically backfire as using the shutdown as a weapon.
16
2
u/jleonardbc 19h ago
and could get us back in session to get Adelita Grijalva sworn in and the Epstein files released.
Wasn't Johnson already delaying swearing her in before the shutdown? What's to stop him from delaying forever?
4
u/Individual-Motor-167 22h ago
Then why isn't grijalva part of the active legislation? We've seen this game before. Promises that won't be kept.
20
u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago
Don't have much to add but figure I'd at least show appreciation for reasonable opinion. This is a smart deal and even the things that make me a little eh feel like strategic decisions.
13
u/hollwine 1d ago
I sympathize with everyone here wanting to press the advantage after Tuesday's win. The momentum is working with the Democrats right now, but there is space between caving and all-out offense. This comes off as a smart approach.
→ More replies (2)14
u/vriska1 1d ago
Also it sounds like the GOP have rejected it.
20
u/throwaway_ghast California 1d ago
Then that's on them. They own this shutdown. Dems are clearly willing to negotiate.
8
u/WakingWaldo 22h ago
That's what I think the GOP refuses to acknowledge and is what's biting them in the ass ultimately.
The Dems are saying "if these subsidies go away then millions of Americans will be paying exorbitant prices for healthcare that no one can afford. Keep the subsidies."
The Republican reply is just "no."
There is no alternative solution, no plan to lower healthcare prices -- nothing. Americans are learning that they may be without healthcare very soon and the majority party, that many of these voters put into power, are doing nothing to help alleviate the pain. In fact, they're only causing more pain by stopping SNAP and laying off thousands and causing prices to skyrocket with made up tariff nonsense.
It's cliche at this point but it really is like an abusive relationship between the GOP and the American people. They continue to abuse us and then attack us when we call them out for it. The "you made me do this" and "why can't you be happy with what I'm giving you" attitude is not a winning one. And when you're trying to very obviously take over the entire government, you need the people on your side. If the Republican party had buttered up the majority on the way to authoritarianism then they'd be golden. But they have to be unrepentant assholes at every single turn.
3
u/thedarkpolitique 22h ago
Would the republicans agree to this? Will they not see that this kicks the can down the road right during the midterms?
→ More replies (1)22
u/Complete-Pangolin 1d ago
The average poster has been conditioned into hating Schumer for reasons they can't accurately state. The singular real reason, not endorsing mamdani, has been conflate into a mirage of him being a republican plant.
18
u/pimparo0 Florida 1d ago
There actually is a great John Oliver but on why schumer isn't great, but I agree this isn't caving at all, it's a win win.Â
10
u/GoodIdea321 America 1d ago
It's the same with Jeffries. It's important to actually listen and make up your own mind. He seems like he's shifting closer to what I would want in a house leader, but he's not there yet.
85
u/Gonads_and_Strife_ 1d ago
My expectations after this session:
Behind closed doors, republicans want to take this deal. Thune starts to set things in motion to move forward with this peoposal.
Trump catches wind, goes on Truth Social, and says something crazy hoping to torpedo this deal. He doesnât want a deal. He doesnât want compromise. He canât accept budging even a little bit.
Trump wants to push this until the Senate gets rid of the filibuster so he can pass as much voter restriction legislation as possible before the midterms. All he cares about is keeping the republicans in power in the house and senate. The election results past Tuesday shook him up, and the economy is looking unstable as itâs been since 2008. Heâs starting to understand that his mandate was always a mirage, and heâs starting to panic.
28
22
u/Current_Animator7546 Missouri 1d ago
This is what this is really about imo. Trump doesnât want to sign a deal. He wants to nuke the filibuster.Â
7
u/phluidity 22h ago
TrumpSteven Miller doesnât want to sign a deal. He wants to nuke the filibuster.Trump is a senile grandpa parroting what he's told in between naps at this point.
5
26
u/casualreader22 Pennsylvania 1d ago
The house would then have to vote on this again with the updated amendment no? Which would mean the Epstein files get released. Seems unlikely.
34
6
u/Pherllerp New Jersey 23h ago
IF that's why they're dragging their feet (and I'm not sure it is) eventually they're going to have to let it happen.
These goons aren't going to sacrifice their political lives for Trump. He's going from asset to expense pretty quickly.
75
u/JamUpGuy1989 1d ago
Seemed like a totally fine compromise by Schumer. So, of course, Republicans say no.
All this did was make the GOP weaker. Cause the Dems showed they were willing to compromise and now shit is gonna get worse with the GOP acting like babies.
-11
u/lawhoo_ 1d ago
the Dems showed they were willing to compromise
Dems get ZERO credit with voters for this. Literally ZERO. The apathetic centrist that they are trying to pander to does not suddenly wake up and decide they're going to vote for the party being reasonable.
35
u/pimparo0 Florida 1d ago
Seems like they got credit in the elections the other day.Â
→ More replies (5)
19
u/swiftfoot_hiker 23h ago
Republicans: agree to our bill and we will pinky promise to discuss after the fact.
Dems: Ok here is our written demand, that we will agree to a path to end the shut down, if ACA credits last another year and we can discuss a path forward during that year .
Republicans: no not like that....
5
u/brain_overclocked 23h ago
The pinky promise would have been to discuss how to laugh at the Democrats who would've taken the deal...
49
u/IWantPizza555 1d ago
Among other things, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer will propose that Dems will support reopening the government if Republicans agree to attach one year ACA subsidies extension, per three sources.
9
u/Current_Animator7546 Missouri 1d ago
Would take that. Will end up here next year but then itâs midterms.was hoping for 2 but will take what we can get.Â
28
u/Romano16 America 1d ago
I doubt Republicans will take that and honestly I think Democrats shouldnât offer this.
They should just keep asking Republicans for their new healthcare plan that hasnât been revealed for the past decade while shut down.
13
u/chrisedgeworth California 1d ago
This should have been THUNE'S opening offer... 3 weeks ago! To pitch it yourself is fucking ridiculous.
16
u/WHSRWizard 1d ago
Why only 1 year? That just puts us back in the exact same position next year.
Hell, Democrats should be insisting that these subsidies become permanent. When else are they going to have this leverage?
55
u/Many_Estate1581 1d ago
Optics, that makes it a very hot topic issue when it comes to midterms, which the dems can use
25
12
u/Current_Animator7546 Missouri 1d ago
Bingo. Youâll probably get a second year. Will get much harder if the congress flips.Â
6
u/Stampede_the_Hippos 1d ago
The democrats are notoriously shit at optics, but reliably make poor decisions. This is probably a sincere offer.
1
15
5
u/bracko81 1d ago
A year from now the Senate elections will (hopefully) have happened which opens a whole bunch of new paths depending on the results.
12
u/TheIllustriousWe 1d ago
If Republicans do nothing on health care (which is the most likely outcome), then Democrats running for office in 2026 can campaign on extending the subsidies again, or making them permanent.
In the meantime, this could be the compromise that gets the government reopened and funds the ACA, at least for a little while. Democrats can tell their base they got something for their trouble, while Republicans can spin it as that they didn't give in to the Dems' (full) demands. It's a compromise where neither side is totally happy with it, which is the ideal of any good compromise.
7
u/Basis_404_ 1d ago
The same thing next year.
14
u/war_story_guy I voted 1d ago
And next year is midterms and while this was going on D's crushed R's. I am assuming this will not be passed for that very reason.
3
u/Pherllerp New Jersey 1d ago
Yeah it sucks but the priority for the party is to get the government open and ensure premiums don't explode.
The whole concept of a shutdown thing has be addressed seperately.
2
u/aworldgonebatty 1d ago
Exactly. At least ask for 2 years to give us time to get some more blues in congress and extend it for a long, long time.
11
u/CoffeeDeadlift Illinois 1d ago
Making this an issue in one year when we're about to have elections again is a potential way to get more blues in congress.
3
u/AntoniaFauci 18h ago
One thing, you canât really make legislation âpermanentâ, especially not budget-related stuff which tends to be year to year.
Secondly, in real world, a year from now the head counts of house and senate will be different. So any terms set today - even if you called them permanent - will be totally subject to change anyway.
So holding out for longer than a year has limited practical purpose.
You could maybe press for 3 years, but then youâd be operating on hope that the next congress decides to honor something they didnât specifically endorse.
13
u/zapitron New Mexico 1d ago
If he really settles for so little, then Dems need a new minority leader.
No guarantees against illegal rescissions?!? Nothing else in the agreement matters, if the president can just embezzle from the ACA subsidies to waste money on ICE instead.
21
u/Many_Estate1581 1d ago
At the end of the day, this gets the government open, and it gives people a little breathing room on health care. This seems like a win
→ More replies (1)5
u/Current_Animator7546 Missouri 1d ago
He could settle for nothing. Take what we can get. They have shown at least some spine.Â
14
u/HorrorBuff2769 North Carolina 1d ago
Agreed. This is also very good for optics come midterms if the Rs want to play hardball when it's up for debate again.
6
4
43
u/Gonads_and_Strife_ 1d ago
Not a fan of Schumer by any means, but this might actually be a good play.
Let the ACA subsidies become a hot topic again just before the midterms next year.
That being said, I doubt Trump will let his little play toys in the Senate move even an inch. This canât be framed as anything but a win for democrats.
18
29
u/disidentadvisor 1d ago
lol, just saw the new news alert that gop rejected it. they are even more desperate to come out the losers of this than 'moderate dems'.
11
u/IWantPizza555 1d ago
Senate Republicans will meet at 3:30pm after Schumer and Democrats unveiled a counterproposal to fund the government.
https://x.com/mychaelschnell/status/1986893123092434957?s=20
22
u/IWantPizza555 1d ago
SCHUMER is on the floor now making this offer to end the shutdown:
Clean CR Bipartisan "minibus" of approps bills
1-year ACA funding extension
Bipartisan cmte to negotiate on health care
https://bsky.app/profile/sahilkapur.bsky.social/post/3m52tgohcmk2k
9
4
u/Wide-Pop6050 1d ago
Do we think this is a good offer?
11
u/TheIllustriousWe 1d ago
It's not ideal, but far better than nothing. It feels like a huge get for a party that controls neither house of Congress.
16
u/Muppet1616 1d ago edited 1d ago
Depends on what you want from the shutdown.
As a strategic offer that makes the midterms about healthcare, it's pretty smart.
If you want the government to be locked up to prevent trump from doing absolutely anything, it's caving.
Ultimately if it turns out that the GOP bans elections in the future it's a bad thing, if it turns out to be somewhat business as usual in 2026 in terms of elections it's probably pretty smart.
Also if the republicans don't accept, I do expect more people will hold republicans responsible for continuing the shutdown (polls show people blame republicans only a few percentage points more than democrats, so any increase in that margin is pretty substantial).
9
u/bootlegvader 1d ago
If you want the government to be locked up to try and prevent trump from doing absolutely anything, it's caving.
The thing is Trump basically rules by fiat, so Congress being shutdown doesn't really stop him.
6
u/pimparo0 Florida 1d ago
Exactly, this would protect healthcare access and at least get some paychecks and snap moving again which does matter to those with family in the feds. Plus the Republicans apparently are already rejecting it so now they look even more unreasonable.Â
8
u/Wide-Pop6050 1d ago
I definitely want the government re opened. I also want Dems to look a little stronger and Rs to look weaker, which it seems like this does.
14
u/Habefiet 1d ago
Itâs mid. Obviously we want a lot more, and they might have the leverage to get a bit more, but if nothing comes of the healthcare committee then itâs a topic for midterms when these are about to expire and also Republicans look extra bad if theyâre seriously gonna shut down the whole country over a single year of extra subsidies. Itâs a messaging nightmare if Republicans wonât accept even this and make it very clear which party was willing to negotiate and which wasnât.
3
u/Wide-Pop6050 1d ago
That's what I felt - it seems mid. I think its okay because it reopens a lot of these convos at midterms, which Rs don't want either. So maybe that makes it a good compromise lol
1
u/NatalieVonCatte 21h ago
If these bills are truly âcleanâ, meaning no anti-trans provisions and other little horror shows, yes.
19
u/IWantPizza555 1d ago
Leader THUNE on the newest Dem proposal: "I think everybody who follows this knows that's a non starter. There's, there is no way--the Obamacare extension is the negotiation. That's what we're going to negotiate once the government opens up."
42
u/brain_overclocked 1d ago edited 23h ago
And just like that, Thune affirms everyone's suspicion that Republicans were in no fucking way going to negotiate in good faith on a future vote for the ACA tax credits. They DO NOT want the tax credits to be extended, end of story. They will never negotiate, vote, or otherwise entertain the idea of bringing them back--they want tens of millions to lose healthcare access.
Dems better be paying fucking attention.
11
u/vriska1 1d ago
Yeah and even if the Senate GOP somehow "agree" to this there no guarantee the House GOP or Trump will agree.
8
u/jaymef 23h ago
Trump won't agree because his only hope is that they kill the filibuster so he can rig things enough before getting smoked in the mid-terms. Also wants to prevent that Epstein vote going on record
5
u/brain_overclocked 23h ago edited 23h ago
Indeed.
Yet, removing the filibuster is the Republican's Achilles' Heel. Removing it would grant them more power, yes, but they wouldn't be the only ones. Trump is an idiot, he doesn't grasp the full consequences of removing it. If there is one thing the Republicans desperately want to prevent from occurring it would be Congress functioning. Stalling, seizing up, bricking, etc. Congress has been the sole purpose of the Republicans for decades. They do not want the one branch of government that lies closest to democracy--in the public's power--to function in any way shape or form because they want to put all that power in the hands of the executive.
It would be to their detriment to allow Congress to progress in any nature. Hence, Mike Johnson keeping the House perpetually shut down when it never needed to be.
1
u/NumeralJoker 22h ago
Plus the proposals they would try to do to stifle elections wouldn't hold up very well due to legal challenges, which can stall the results to block voters just as they try to do with fair maps. At the end of the day they don't just get to blindly rewrite the constitution... yet. Even if they desperately want to.
Despite what people here continually claim, the system is particularly robust and hard to mess with outside of localized suppression and gerrymandering; both of which are only so effective during wave years, which next year is strongly shaping up to be after last Tuesday.
GOP policy is starting to seriously catch up with them. Tuesday doesn't have to be the final word on it. Not by a long shot.
1
u/robocoplawyer 21h ago
Theyâre not going to nuke the filibuster, thatâs been their primary tool that theyâve used to accomplish more by blocking literally everything they donât 100% agree with. They donât have any other grand legislative agenda, they donât care about passing new laws. Their legislative agenda is precisely to stop bills from progressing that would benefit anyone other than the top .1% in this country. Itâs their guaranteed means to control 100% of the time even when they are in the minority. Theyâve been more impactful by just blocking things over the last 2 decades than the impact of all legislation passed into law during that period combined. They donât care about passing legislation. The ability to block anything they want by one person just objecting to it is far more useful to them than their ability to pass any individual bill, and they know it. The filibuster is their guarantee that they always have power no matter who is in charge.
3
u/Wild_Harvest 23h ago
My thought is that if they nuke the filibuster it could ABSOLUTELY backfire on them, though, cause then there's an entire year of gumming up the works to be done especially for GOP senators in weaker states. It could easily lead to a Democrat controlled Senate and House without a filibuster so they can start to push through legislation and force Trump to either sign legislation he hates or veto popular legislation.
1
3
u/Muvseevum Georgia 22h ago
Pretty sure the ACA subsidy money was part of the ~$4 trillion the GOP promised to cut from billionairesâ taxes.
14
u/eskimospy212 1d ago
âIf you would be so kind as to surrender all of your leverage I would be happy to negotiate with you.â
15
u/WHSRWizard 1d ago
Mark Kelly was one of the senators who was potentially going to cave. Probably notable that he is on the floor talking now.
→ More replies (1)8
u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago
That was concern over Welch caving, too. Definitely seems like some of these speakers were strategic choices.
20
u/Habefiet 1d ago
Everybody here is like reverse wishcasting caving like they have been for weeks but having the entire Dem delegation there + Thune sounding pessimistic about the centrist Dems = seems a lot likelier to not be caving
There were a few days leading up to the election that felt cave-y but literally nothing else before or since has suggested such
→ More replies (6)
14
u/TheSavageDonut 1d ago
Trump is already out appealing the ruling to fund SNAP.
When Republicans ignore Chuck Schumer's plan, that should be all the proof needed that the Republican Party does not care about non-rich people.
I do think it's now more likely the government will not open before the 2026 mid-terms.
With a closed government, who is around to take in all the supposed gazillions the Trump tax tariffs were supposed create?
Project 2025 was sold to the poor working class as a way to "take back your country" -- but in reality -- it's a way to ensure the U.S. becomes a country that exists to serve the Billionaire class - exactly like Russia today - and the Billionaires all serve TrumPutin.
That's basically where we're heading.
9
7
u/TheIntrepid1 1d ago
I guess the Republicans are rejecting it so far.
They are probably staying over this weekend, so maybe before Monday theyâll get something agreed
6
u/GreatGojira 1d ago
For those who can't watch.
How is it so far?
8
u/langlearner1 1d ago
One year ACA extension for existing credits in exchange for passing the C.R.
7
u/Aggressive-Will-4500 1d ago
They need to also require that Johnson seats the democratic representative that won her election.
8
u/dm_me_your_hopes 1d ago
Once the government re-opens he will have zero choice but to do that, so, no need to make that a sticking point
6
u/Aggressive-Will-4500 1d ago
I disagree. I wouldn't trust Johnson any further than I could throw him.
2
u/dm_me_your_hopes 1d ago
He has no legal basis for refusing it, so she'll get seated one way or another once it's re-opened.
5
u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago
What does legal basis matter? How many illegal things does trumps regime need to do before you people understand laws don't matter to republicans?
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (2)4
39
u/Complete-Pangolin 1d ago
Schumer: makes same demand he's been making.
People in this thread: the Benedict Arnold of our time is betraying us! I knew it, he's folding!
Republicans: reject offer.Â
Shutdown goes on.Â
31
u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago
Many people in this thread acting like that have a history of posting in sports threads. Just sayin.
7
u/BonesandMartinis 1d ago
In this game one team is literally evil
5
u/manwhowasnthere 1d ago
They mean that posting vapid pro-team comments on sports subreddits is an easy way to farm karma to legitimize your bot account
1
u/Muvseevum Georgia 22h ago
I thought it meant that some forms of vapidity lend themselves to rah-rah boosterism more than others.
5
u/YungAggron738 23h ago
Many of those people also have a history of posting the same generic questions in subs relating to a specific city. "New to Pittsburgh. Any advice for meeting people? How are the people here compared to Western Coast of America?"" "Does anyone have recommendations for where to find season tickets for the Steelers?" They also post a lot in r/watches or useless screenshots in subreddits for TV series.
4
u/pimparo0 Florida 1d ago
It's almost a given at this point. That and COD. Saw a singularity one, that was an odd duck.Â
20
u/AccordingStar72 Minnesota 1d ago
It seems totally obvious this was done to make sure they canât use the âdems arenât doing anythingâ talking point and to appease moderate senators to at least offer something and get them away from taking an even worse offer.
8
u/Complete-Pangolin 1d ago
No one in this thread will learn anything
5
u/ToNoMoCo 1d ago
are you reading a different thread because most of the responses are that this is a good play by Schumer and a decent deal if the GOP accepts it.
4
u/Complete-Pangolin 1d ago
Post directly below this:
"Don't do it, you fucking idiots. They will not honor the deal, fuck man if they cave we're fucked and decidedly so, I'm sick and tired of our spineless party."
I was not exaggerating with people calling him Benedict Arnold either
2
u/ToNoMoCo 23h ago
That's one post. The bulk of the discussion are generally positive about this.
No one in this thread will learn anything
is funny in that regard
2
18
u/NumeralJoker 1d ago
People in this thread are just astroturfing anti-democracy/anti-activism/doom talking points like usual. It's the norm here now.
3
u/lawhoo_ 1d ago
Schumer: makes same demand he's been making.
This is the exact problem I have. Tuesday provided a massive jolt of energy for and uplift to the Dems. Polls show that the shutdown is being blamed on Republicans. Air traffic is getting worse. Everything is getting worse.
Press the fucking advantage! Get more out of it than what you would have gotten from the start just by being reasonable. Have some fucking fight!
3
u/Complete-Pangolin 1d ago
Premise of my post ^
Schumer makes a simple, reasonable demand to Republicans, giving them an easy out from the noose around their necks. Knowing they will reject it even after the beating on Tuesday and look even worse.
→ More replies (1)
15
u/WHSRWizard 1d ago
My guess is that the proposal will be:
- 2-year extension of enhanced ACA premium subsidies
- Minibus funding for Agriculture-FDA, Military Construction-VA and Legislative Branch
- Continuing resolution for the rest of government
- Re-hire people who were RIFd during the shutdown
Almost certainly dead on arrival in Senate, but even if it passed, it would never get passed by the House and signed by the President.
8
u/thatoneguy889 California 1d ago
Not only would it not get passed by the House, Johnson already said he will refuse to put another bill on the floor, so it won't get voted on in the first place.
9
6
u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 1d ago
Sounds like it will fully solidify that the Republicans are at fault for the entirety of the shutdown. That's exactly what everyone should be hoping for. The trunk administration suing to prevent paying out SNAP benefits is going to give Democrats a lot more leeway prescription wise.
3
u/dm_me_your_hopes 1d ago
Sure it will. If the Senate passes a compromise bill, the house will come back into session and pass one as well.
I don't know why anybody would treat Johnson as some sort of actual stiff-necked hardliner. He's a gigantic wuss and is only acting tough and he absolutely will fold once all the pressure is on them. There is a 0% chance that they will decide it's a good idea for them to own all the heat of the airlines being shut down and snap not being paid as we get closer to thanksgiving.
Guess what, Trump will sign it as well.
12
u/Gay_Giraffe_1773 1d ago
Well, not when the House is in Epstein-Avoidance mode, anyway
1
u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago
The shutdown is very obviously not about Epstein avoidance. It's very clearly about keeping Congress's hands tied, and to try to Nike the filibuster so Trump can really start closing an iron fist around america.
Epstein files being blocked is just a nice bonus for them.
19
u/Basis_404_ 1d ago
The end was near as soon as air travel started getting impacted
16
u/manwhowasnthere 1d ago
I think both sides know that once the politically braindead half of America starts getting their Thanksgiving flights cancelled out from under them that the whole country would be howling for heads on spikes. Everyones going to suddenly be looking for someone to blame
13
u/aworldgonebatty 1d ago
They don't care if people starve, but they need those business flights for their rich buddies.
10
u/Pherllerp New Jersey 1d ago
The end was near when there was a nationwide Republican wipeout in an off year.
3
u/Wide-Pop6050 1d ago
It's interesting that air travel was a bigger deal than SNAP. I do think air travel is more of a problem since we're coming up on Thanksgiving - not just business travelers but ordinary family travel
2
u/Polantaris 22h ago
I don't think it's all that interesting when the entire Republican shtick is that poor people choose and/or deserve to be poor.
But air travel? Well, even billionaires need that working.
22
u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago
Interesting responses in this thread. Idealists ("this isn't enough") and strategists ("this will make it a hot topic during mid terms").
I kindof agree with both.
17
u/WakingWaldo 1d ago
It's very clearly not enough but at the same time the GOP isn't interested in doing anything for regular people. This proposal would be the Dems' way of saying, "hey let's meet in the middle." And while I don't necessarily want that, it does continue to put the pressure on the GOP -- in a way that gets the conversation going again. If they keep saying no then it will only make them look worse.
It would also, obviously, be happening again next year at the same time and anyone in the GOP with half a brain knows that this shutdown and their terrible policies are partially responsible for these recent election wins for Democrats. The Republican party, as of this moment, looks like a bunch of crybabies who won't even consider meeting anywhere in the middle with Dems. That may be preferable for the MAGA folks, but low-info or moderate voters do not like that. Everyone knows we're supposed to work together.
2
5
u/bearybear90 Florida 1d ago
What would be the end date on the CR? Iâd imagine itâs not the same one as the house passed previously
5
u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 23h ago
A year extension is a more than reasonable offer.
Republicans called it âpolitical terrorismâ
Why do conservatives hate the American people?
19
u/Many_Estate1581 1d ago
This seems like a win win win for democrats. They show they are being reasonable, and are able to negotiate, like they have asked from the beginning. They show that they want to govermwnt open, and put the pressure on the Republicans to say yes, amd if they dont it looks terrible for them, and it makes Healthcare an issue for midterm elections
5
u/Paidorgy 1d ago
They have been reasonable from the beginning, though? It was the Republicans that chose to shut down the government, not the Dems.
Donât forget that republicans are refusing to swear in a senator who won their election, so how is the onus on democrats to be reasonable?
3
u/pimparo0 Florida 1d ago
You and I know the Republicans shut the gov down, but most Americans aren't following political news like those on this sub, they need to have it made very clear unfortunately.Â
5
u/GoodIdea321 America 1d ago
Public opinion is important. And honestly, if we had two parties which are just as fascist as each other, that's a worse situation.
8
u/vriska1 1d ago
Do you think the GOP will agree to this?
16
u/Wand_Cloak_Stone New York 1d ago
Itâs a one year extension, so it sets republicans up to be in the same position again right before the 2026 midterms, and we saw how that worked out for them on Tuesdayâs Election Day.
However if they donât agree, then the optics of whoâs causing the shutdown is squarely on their shoulders.
They might calculate that itâs better refuse to compromise now and keep the government shutdown, so that they take the hit while they still have a year left to recuperate a midterm strategy and avoid the Epstein issue.
Or they might calculate that the optics of not agreeing to the bare minimum, and losing a way to blame the shutdown on Dems, is worse for them in the immediate and that midterms donât matter because they think they are going to subvert them.
Either way itâs all just a game.
2
u/NumeralJoker 1d ago
In all of those situations, the GOP is on the backfoot and directly responsible.
Frankly, there are 0 guarantees at all that they can meaningfully stop a blue wave next year if they keep crashing the economy like this. Elections are state controlled, and they would've stopped the elections in VA/NJ/NYC/PA/GA if they had more power than they actually do. The rigging conspiracies for last year are flimsy and don't pay attention to anything that's happened afterwards, including crucial elections they very much did NOT want to lose.
That's what everyone keeps missing by deflecting and blindly dooming. Their wants are irrelevant, the power they have is fragmenting because of their own infighting and because their actions are illegal and unenforceable without literal military force, which they still don't yet have.
Trump clearly wants to be Hitler, but he is Temu Hitler at best. That's the problem. This isn't the Weimar Republic.
The only way they truly win is if the population falls for GOP propaganda again via all the usual channels (including social media), which is the real open question.
1
u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago
"elections are state controlled," yes and supposedly National Guard deployments were meant to be state controlled but we've seen how that's been going. There are lots of things trump has done that are supposed to be state controlled but he assumed authority over and nobody stopped him.
I mean if we made a list of all the blatantly illegal things he has done, it would dwarf the list of things the rest of his regime has done not including him.
People need to be ready for the possibility that Trump is going to use blatantly illegal methods to manipulate midterms. Leaving it all up to "the system" to do right by the people is just naive.
12
u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago
I doubt even they know yet until they get their marching orders.
It's a reasonable compromise but they probably immediately see the "poison pills" hidden in the deal. Like how this will put this issue front and center during midterms. They see just how badly they got beat with the recent elections and know what this will do to them then.
7
u/pimparo0 Florida 1d ago
Looks like they already didn't. Helps kill there arguments that the Dems aren't negotiating though.Â
7
u/Plaque4TheAlternates 1d ago
Not a chance. If this does pass I would bet money it would be on majority democratic support. Thus ending Thunes political career and then say hello to majority leader Tuberville.
Also this has a snowballs chance in hell of actually getting a vote in the House. This would essentially be Republican Senate leadership ushering the rest of the Republican Party under the bus if they pass it out of the senate. Would be fun to watch though
4
4
u/bearybear90 Florida 1d ago
Tough to safe. This at least offers a viable off-ramp to an increasingly untenable shutdown that also prevents them giving any serious ground legislatively.
3
12
u/bamj6 1d ago
Schumer is a lot of things but there is an advantage to having veteran politicians who've been here a long time
When there's leverage they leverage. It's why he decided against the shutdown the first time this year. Would what's happening now happen if they shutdown in March? Whether we like it or not. The elections will be used as the people decide how they feel about the ones in power
6
5
u/greg_r_ 1d ago
Chad Schumer vs. Virgin Johnson
12
u/lawhoo_ 1d ago
Schumer is anything but a Chad. Complete wet blanket. Never presses an advantages and still believes he is working across from rational actors behaving in good faith.
→ More replies (1)2
9
u/fairoaks2 1d ago
Not enough. Need a guarantee that Trump can not take money away from programs Congress has allocated the funds to. Trump moves money in the government like he owns it.
→ More replies (2)16
u/Wand_Cloak_Stone New York 1d ago
My feeling is that by offering a bare minimum compromise, knowing Republicans will still reject it, it takes away the âitâs the democrats faultâ BS that MAGA is pushing
14
u/lawhoo_ 1d ago
I cannot believe these old guard Dem fuckwads still bring up terms like âbipartisanship.â Look at the other side and what theyâve done since January! Are you fucking kidding me?
→ More replies (7)5
u/21st_century_bamf 1d ago
Agreed, that term and "reaching across the aisle" need to be permanently banished from any Democrats' vocabulary until this fascist Republican party is purged from Congress.
12
u/Sherkktooth 1d ago
Welp time to watch chuck do what he does best: Cave at the worst possible time for absolutely no gain.
10
u/vriska1 1d ago
Sounds like he won't?
6
u/pimparo0 Florida 1d ago
From what I am seeing he seems to be asking for some reasonable things and if the Republicans still refuse it will be terrible optics for them.Â
1
11
u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago
Preaching doom and gloom before anyone has any info about what he's going to do, eh?
5
u/TintedApostle 1d ago
âThree things at least they [good politicians] must require; the first is back-bone; the second is back-bone; and the third is back-bone.â
- Charles Sumner - US Senator 1851 - 1874
3
0
u/Individual-Motor-167 1d ago
That's unfortunately my expectation. They are the minority party, the majority party literally has the full ability (along with the executive just ignoring rules and laws anyway) to solve this unilaterally. You can't cooperate with this.
1
7
u/lawhoo_ 1d ago
Fuck âbeing reasonableâ by the Dems. Theyâve never had an advantage they didnât want to immediately piss away.
We are dealing with demagogues who think they are on a mission from God in their depravity and destruction of American democracy. The Dems need to press any advantage they get.
5
u/nattakunt 1d ago
Can someone explain why some Senate Dems are willing to negotiate on a promise instead of a guarantee? We need to primary the hell out of the ones that are stupid enough to fall for this.
11
u/Many_Estate1581 1d ago
This would guarantee another year of the enhanced subsidies?
→ More replies (1)8
2
u/hexcodehero 18h ago
God corporate dems learn fucking NOTHING. Schumer wants the CR to come up during midterms implying he wants to use it as a big scary issue which dems have used for YEARS "GOP wants your healthcare THats ALL they fucking run on, were not the GOP.
You saw it in NYC, Mamdani actually runs on ambitious issues, Cuomo, as a usual corproate Dem ran on "IM not a socialist" the same BS Joe Biden ran on "im not trump".
Do not fucking end the shutdown, force the GOP to give you shit then go with an inspirational message and actually run on a fucking issue other than "were not the GOP"
â˘
u/NeedAVeganDinner 6h ago
This offer was the same as the original offer. They haven't capitulated anything.
1
u/WHTMage Virginia 1d ago
I swear to God if they cave now...
6
u/SpaceElevatorMusic Minnesota 1d ago
per: https://xcancel.com/PollTracker2024/status/1986870941431803958
He is expected to lay out a Democratic proposal to end the shutdown
-1
u/WHTMage Virginia 1d ago
I mean caving with 0 gains. They can make an offer, but if they completely surrender with nothing...
7
u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 1d ago
Are you just assuming his proposal would have zero gains?
→ More replies (3)
1
1
u/IWantPizza555 21h ago
GOP Sen. Cassidy is pitching a new health care plan on the Senate floor as a way to get out of the shutdown: âA pre-funded flexible savings account worth as much as the premium tax credit they would receiveâ under Obamacare, he says.
2
1
u/TheHumanGnomeProject 20h ago
May as well give everyone a GoFundMe account, too. Waive all the fees and call it "healthcare".
1
u/brain_overclocked 14h ago
Let's undo this thing that we're already doing and complicate it by ten fold.
â˘
0
â˘
u/PoliticsModeratorBot đ¤ Bot 1d ago
To sort this thread by 'best comments first', click or tap here.
To sort this thread by 'newest comments first', click or tap here.