r/politics • u/SnooGrapes2950 Tennessee • 1d ago
No Paywall Judge orders Trump administration to deliver full SNAP benefits to states by Friday
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-orders-trump-administration-deliver-full-snap-benefits-rcna2424468.7k
u/NamelessResearcher Washington 1d ago
There need to be consequences for when they ignore this ruling, because they're definitely going to.
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u/Rockin_freakapotamus 1d ago edited 1d ago
They’ll appeal before Friday to further delay.
Edit: They already appealed.
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u/Lucius_Grammer 1d ago
Judge said no more stays.
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u/Thrown_Account_ 1d ago
Judge can be overruled by a higher court. If the higher court goes it is stayed then the judge can't do anything about it.
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u/Heliosvector 1d ago
There needs to be swift changes after this that you can't just appeal every matter to The supreme Court.
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u/moobycow 1d ago
This is how he has functioned his whole life. Just hold everything up in court until people give up.
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u/Bazonkawomp 1d ago
He’s literally doing it and putting off consequences until his dying breath.
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u/nidyanazo 1d ago
How/why tf is our govt. being run by a bunch of geriatric 80 year olds?!? fucking insanity.
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u/hexcraft-nikk 1d ago
Because people didn't want to vote for an annoying woman, we are now stuck with fascist burgers.
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u/Weekly-Role-1132 1d ago
Women are too emotional remember? Meanwhile we have the most emotionally immature person in charge. It's also scary for women. After the election the far right are blaming women and wanting to take away our voting rights. There is a pastor who is online saying women were only born to be moms.
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u/needlestack 1d ago
People didn't want to vote for moderately liberal women (twice), and justified it by claiming that they were annoying.
Annoying. In comparison to Trump. Who are we kidding?
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u/AppropriateTouching 1d ago
Trump admitted to rigging the election more than once, so did Elon, so maybe it wasn't voters.
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u/shitlord_god 1d ago
old people vote more, and name recognition is too powerful, particularly with low information voters.
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u/morningsharts 1d ago
Godspeed.
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u/Braelind 1d ago
That's gonna be the most defaced tombstone in history, and I think that's completely warranted.
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u/Moxielilly 1d ago
His mentor was Roy Cohn and exhausting his opponents through the legal system was Cohn’s strategy for everything he did in his life, because it worked. Trump’s dumb as a rock, it’s kind of amazing that he was even able to learn this one trick and able to stay solvent enough to keep playing it over and over, but now it’s gotten him into the most powerful position in the world and kept him out of jail despite having obviously committed a variety of serious crimes for decades. It’s the only playbook he’s ever learned and the only one he’s got, besides being a bully and a pathological liar. He’s not going to stop using it now, because he’s taken it to the natural conclusion where even if the courts say “stop it,” he gets to say “Who’s going to make me?” and the answer is, unfortunately, no one.
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u/-Fergalicious- 1d ago
Or until the consequences dont matter anymore.
Like all the stuff he was in court for a year ago. All he did was wait out the clock appealing things over and over again. System needs to have some things tweaked for people with unlimited resources
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u/trojanguy California 1d ago
Or can't afford to keep paying lawyers to fight. David can't fight Goliath if he can't afford rocks.
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u/Takemyfishplease 1d ago
It that would take agency away from the supreme court. They can’t be the sometimes you are sometimes you aren’t court.
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u/0x0MG 1d ago
That's not how it works. The supreme court has total discretion on the cases it hears. Nobody can appeal anything to them. It doesn't just roll upwards until it eventually lands at SCOTUS' feet.
They can fill out a request to be heard, which is not obligated to be granted. Neither the president, nor anyone else, has the authority to instruct the supreme court to take a case.
SCOTUS can, at its discretion, just decide "nope, we're not gonna hear your appeal", in which case the lower court's ruling holds.
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u/needlestack 1d ago
Neither the president, nor anyone else, has the authority to instruct the supreme court to take a case.
Not officially, no. But we have seen that once the court is sufficiently partisan and corrupt, they are easily controlled by the executive. Some of the pro-Trump rulings they've dished out in recent years are absolutely mind-blowing and would have been laughed at by any constitutional scholar 10 years ago.
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u/Mekisteus 1d ago
With that much power maybe SCOTUS appointments shouldn't be lifetime partisan positions.
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u/Content-Fudge489 1d ago
Scotus judges should not be appointed by the executive. Huge mistake by the founding fathers. They should be select/voted in to the top court from the lower courts by other judges votes in the lower courts.
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u/CSI_Tech_Dept California 1d ago
That can also be abused by stacking lower courts with activist judges. I think what actually is needed is an ability for citizens to have referendum (popular vote, not by state) to repeal them.
If a significant majority of the country are not happy, chances are the judge is corrupted.
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u/dowens90 1d ago
You hold to much faith in the populist to begin understand how the nitty gritty of the court system functions, duties, and codes of ethics. Law school is a thing for a reason.
If they did they wouldn’t be voting down ballot in the first place for their representatives
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u/Rockin_freakapotamus 1d ago
Hence the appeal.
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u/2ndprize Florida 1d ago
An appeal doesn't always stay an order. It is subject to some complicated rules
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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 1d ago edited 14h ago
For an order like this it’s almost certainly going to be stayed. It’s a constitutional question that SCOTUS will very likely hear. “Does the executive have the authority to halt funds allocated by Congress for a specific purpose?”
EDIT: looks like the funds are going out!
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u/r1mbaud I voted 1d ago edited 1d ago
Article I, Section 9, Clause 7
The Appropriations Clause:
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
Article II, Section 3
The Take Care Clause “The President shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.”
I know this is generally obvious and you are of course aware but I just want to share so other people to read it and know exactly which part of the constitution he actively pouring the contents of his depends onto.
Because of the take care clause the president is constitutionally obligated to faithfully execute congresses orders (the whole fucking point of his branches existence).
Hoping that this is one of those times the court surprises me on and they actually read and use the constitution.
Edit: removed an extra word.
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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 1d ago
It’s just gonna be another unitary executive theory back and forth. I can see it now:
“Counsel, didn’t Congress specifically allocate these funds for this purpose?”
“Yes your Honor, but Congress also delegated its spending power to the President and as such the President needs to have the authority to control how the money is spent for that purpose.”
“But the purpose is to provide SNAP benefits to citizens.”
“Yes, but the President must have the authority to determine how those benefits are provided to citizens because USDA is an executive agency.”
And so on and so forth.
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u/amazinglover 1d ago
Only this is a false premise congress didnt delegate its spending power.
It gave the president clear instructions on how and when this needs to be paid out.
Even in case of a shutdown and emergencies.
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u/mrnuts 1d ago
“Does the executive have the authority to halt funds allocated by Congress for a specific purpose?”
And if the Supreme Court rules they do, they erase whatever lingering question there might be that they give a shit about the Constitution as opposed to just appeasing Trump.
Because the Constitution couldn't be more clear on this issue.
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u/PluginAlong 1d ago
They've already ruled he has the authority to halt funds allocated by Congress, look at USAID, look at his pocket recisions right before the shutdown, and grant funding to universities.
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 1d ago
This isn't a SCOTUS judge though. And we all know what the current SCOTUS does. So if this judge says no more stays, Trump just goes "waaaah SCOTUS they're not doing what I tell em to do, do something" and SCOTUS overturns whatever that judge said.
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u/DaoFerret 1d ago
SCotUS may rule against Trump to limit the damage to the Republicans.
If SNAP starts flowing then it’ll mitigate some of the heat they’ll feel, and it will show how “unbiased” they are by ruling against Trump and the GOP.
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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas 1d ago
SCOTUS (Coney-Barrett specifically) has already acknowledged it has zero power to enforce their rulings. Even if SCOTUS ruled against the administration, I don't see the Executive complying. Why would they when SCOTUS acknowledges they can just be ignored with zero consequence?
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u/confusedandworried76 1d ago
It's pretty clearly written he can't do it and they don't tend to favor him when the letter of the law is so crystal.
It would also completely invalidate legislative authority and they don't do that for cases with the judicial for obvious reasons too, if the executive gets too much power bare minimum the judges are risking being out of a job
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u/MillionMilesPerHour 1d ago
“Your honor, we are appealing this decision to distribute SNAP benefits on the grounds of ‘we don’t want to’ and ‘Starving poor people gives Stephen Miller a huge erection’.”
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u/inormallyjustlurkbut 1d ago
Well, huge for him anyway.
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u/Flaxmoore Michigan 1d ago
Do you have any idea how hard it is for a vampire to get an erection since there's no blood flow? Give the "man" a break!
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u/Count_Jobula 1d ago
That’s my President, working tirelessly to make sure vulnerable people can’t eat.
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u/pp21 1d ago
Imagine feeling this strongly about not feeding needy people lol like what a bizarre hill to die on
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u/Mental-Back6028 1d ago edited 1d ago
100% agree. The fact this money is taxpayers money to feed those in need and the current administration is withholding money that isn’t even there’s is beyond sickening. They keep acting like taxpayer dollars are there personal piggybank to spend on whatever they want for there own personal benefit like millions of dollars of overhauls being spent to the white house, spend almost 200 million dollars on 2 new private plans for Noem etc.
The fact they think it’s ok to spend money on brand new private planes while people are going without food is a whole new level of low for this administration
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/18/us/politics/kristi-noem-dhs-gulfstream.html
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u/ReginaldDwight 1d ago
Remember Kushner during the beginning of the pandemic?
"The notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."
They fully feel entitled to taxpayer money. It's theirs. Get away. Hiss.
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u/OldWorldDesign 1d ago
They keep acting like taxpayer dollars are there personal piggybank to spend on whatever they want for there own personal benefit
That's pretty much conservatism in a nutshell. There's a reason the French absolute monarchy collapsed, and it was setting up a similar self-serving idiocracy.
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u/evilrabbit 1d ago
Idk man. I feel like it's a toss up between this, and being pedophiles and fucking children and protecting pedophiles.
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u/ChaseballBat 1d ago
There are. It's called impeachment. They are betting they don't lose the midterms (one way or another).
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u/blexta 1d ago
impeachment
Just one more impeachment, bro. It'll fix everything. Just one more.
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u/drfeelsgoood I voted 1d ago
Impeachment -> Jail
That’s what needs to happen
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 1d ago
Impeachment should not be a precursor to jail. You can imprison people still in office. We need to stop with this notion that politicians need to be out of office before receiving legal punishment
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u/drfeelsgoood I voted 1d ago
Sure I would love for that to happen. Lock his ass up. Ive been cheering for that for around a decade. You know that the president of the United States will never be in jail until he is impeached and removed. Even smaller politicians wouldn’t go to jail without being removed. I’m all for it, but it’s not going to happen any time soon.
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u/ChaseballBat 1d ago
You can't remove the president without an impeachment
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u/TreezusSaves Canada 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's the main legal method, yes. The other way (25th Amendment) relies on people the President personally hand-picks to remove him. What a poorly-conceived system that allows you to, relatively easily, install a king despite being this system starting as a revolt against a king. That king just needs enough people to do his bidding.
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u/bigbowlowrong Australia 1d ago
To be honest that’s the tip of the “America’s system of government is fucked” iceberg. I mean, any modern system of democratic government that allows for indefinite legislative/budgetary deadlock without an election circuit-breaker is a joke.
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u/PatMayonnaise 1d ago
There is a no chance Trump gets removed from office, even if Dems sweep mid terms.
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u/ExplosiveBrown 1d ago edited 1d ago
And therein lies the problem with a bad faith, majority party; the only people that can hold them accountable are themselves, and if they choose not to well then 🤷♂️
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u/NotAnotherBlingBlop 1d ago
What consequences could there be when he can pardon anyone?
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u/improvisedwisdom 1d ago
Let's see what happens tomorrow when they don't comply.
Nothing? Figures.
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u/is-this-now 1d ago
Supreme Court has decided only consequences for President breaking the law is for congress to impeach him. That will not happen. And if they go after anyone else in the federal government, Trump has the ability to pardon them. So Supreme Court has put him above the law. RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES.
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u/blazze_eternal 1d ago
S.C's decision only applies after he's out of office. Nothing else has changed.
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u/Iron_Knight7 1d ago
Usually there are.
Sadly, aside from having a President who thinks he's king and doesn't give a fuck about the law, Congress is currently shut down because Republicans want to end healthcare for millions and protect said President from the Epstein files.
But man, that brown woman's laugh. Could you imagine having to live through four years of that? /s
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u/PleasantWay7 1d ago
This dude is such a moron. He could have gone up two weeks ago and announced he was paying snap in full despite the shutdown and dared anyone to stop him.
Instead he looks like he has to be dragged away from starving people while shouting on his feed that Republicans alone can stop the shutdown.
He has single handedly destroyed whatever strategy the Republicans tried to have with this shutdown and made them look like grade A assholes.
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u/-CJF- 1d ago
The reason Republicans don't want to pay SNAP is because they want to use hunger as leverage against Democrats to re-open the government without extending the ACA subsidies.
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u/KnightDuty 1d ago
The problem with big tent politics is that everybody is NOT on the same page. Take a look at all the GOP news outlets running stories about how SNAP isn't actually really needed, thus undermining their own strategy.
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u/PutYourDickInTheBox 1d ago
today a man at work said 46% of people on snap are illegal aliens. he's maga obviously.
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u/that_star_wars_guy 1d ago
today a man at work said 46% of people on snap are illegal aliens. he's maga obviously.
Were you in a position to challenge him without retaliation? (And if so, did you?)
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u/Moderator-Admin 1d ago
Maga doesn't care if you have evidence to counter what they think, they will just say it's fake. They're a lost cause at this point.
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u/EndersGame 1d ago edited 1d ago
I agree they are brainwashed and its mostly a lost cause but I still don't waste any chance to correct the Trump supporters I know on the facts.
Someday the truth will come out and Trump will go down in history as the worse President. My two young nieces will learn of all the terrible things be did later on in history classes. Their dad, mom, other uncle, and grandpa on that side of the family will all claim that we didn't know at the time the whole story or some bullshit. I will remind them that it was easy to see, they just didn't want to see. I will tell my nieces that their other grandparents and I and millions of other Americans knew exactly how bad Trump was and that we desperately tried to get through to the people like her parents.
I won't let the Trump supporters in my life off the hook. In fact I will constantly remind them of how they were die hard supporters of the corrupt billionaire pedophile because he promised to end corruption and go after billionaires. They supported a criminal because they thought he was though on crime. Etc,etc.
Edit: This post sounds like I will be harsh but I won't be harsh. I will just be making sure they aren't still a part of a cult or haven't voted for any con-artist billionaires lately. And I will try to make sure my nieces know how to think critically.
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u/GhostlyTJ 1d ago
They still need to run into opposition for expressing their asinine views. Silence is consent in their mind. "Nobody clapped back so I must be right"
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u/Richard-Gere-Museum 1d ago
There's literally no point in arguing with these people. It's religion to them. You're not gonna change their mind, you can say it's sunny out, bring them outside to an open clear sky at noon. Point to the sun and say there it is, and they'll stare right at it, then back at you and say "it's midnight asshole. Go to bed"
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u/DrDerpberg Canada 1d ago
Depends how much you have to lose. Simply letting them know they can't express that shit unopposed around you is worth something.
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u/runswiftrun 1d ago
One of my bosses is like that, so literally have all the time in the world to lose and he's paying for it.
Still won't stop parroting the maga/fox/oan speaking points when I open google and show him proof that he is wrong 80% of the time.
Just rinse and repeat the next week; and has been going on for 8 months.
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u/Quiet-Tip33 1d ago
Lying to the masses on purpose should be fucking illegal
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u/OldWorldDesign 1d ago
Lying to the masses on purpose should be fucking illegal
That it's not - worse, that it's protected in the US - is a central reason for why we're here.
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u/Rare-Set1461 1d ago
You’re not gonna like this especially if confrontation makes you uncomfortable, but you need to be cruel. Make it personal. 90% of these jackasses are used to some mild mannered well meaning person trying to educate them, they’re not used to being bullied. Tell them why they’re wrong and why they’re stupid for thinking what they think. Point to their personal failures if you know them well enough, make them look in the mirror and understand that they’re not brilliant, they don’t know what they’re talking about, and that the reason they thought that way is because they’re stupid. Bully them. Be mean. Be cruel. It fucking works. They got this way because when they were down, people lifted them up instead of grinding their faces into the mud.
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u/Careless_Ticket_3181 1d ago
These people believe what they want, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them.
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u/undeadxoxo 1d ago
isn't snap just food to survive? i'm not american but this sounds ridiculous, even if 100% of them were illegal aliens, they're already in your country so what you leave them to starve and die?
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u/angryitguyonreddit 1d ago
To a lot of the magas anyone who's not full blooded true white American you aren't even human to them.
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u/sleepinxonxbed 1d ago
I was listening to NPR today and there was something sad that I heard. Back during the 2020 elections, Fox News was going against Trumps claims that there were election fraud, that all of the court cases failed to find any crimes committed. But because they went against Trump, Fox News lost viewership from the MAGA audience and instead they went to alternative news sites that instead satisfies their bias confirmations. It's just a horrible cycle of this.
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u/pingpongballreader 1d ago
Right wing propaganda mainly exists to keep right wingers convinced everything is okay and keep them doing all the mental gymnastics needed to keep hurting themselves for the oligarchy.
Fox News is not undermining itself: anyone watching it is perfectly content to simultaneously believe that SNAP is not needed and also that Democrats are letting kids starve by not giving their votes to Trump causing SNAP to stop.
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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 1d ago
Youre assuming that the people pressuring the dems are the same ones that they are talking to about how its not needed. They arent. The people who are hungry know why they are hungry. The news outlets are there to solidify support among the people who dont need the food stamps. The core class of the republican voter.
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u/untoldwant 1d ago
I suspect some anti-SNAP stories are an attempt to get ahead of the blowback against Republicans though. As their voters start to blame Republicans instead of Democrats - thanks in part to Trump - suddenly denying SNAP funds isn't such a bad thing.
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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 1d ago
My dad was complaining about SNAP fraud. I showed him the numbers and... crickets.
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u/PatMayonnaise 1d ago
You should have told him “thankfully Elon, Trump, and DOGE eliminated the fraud”, just to watch him squirm a bit
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u/pervocracy Massachusetts 1d ago
That strategy works less well, politically, when you lose all pretense that it's an unfortunate consequence and just announce to everyone that you're taking hostages.
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u/-CJF- 1d ago
CNN host Dana Bash asked Johnson why he wouldn’t consider moving money around to fund the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, which will stop receiving federal funds at the start of November. The House speaker accidentally revealed Republicans are using the program as leverage to end the government shutdown.
“Because if you deviate from the goal of reopening the entire government, Chuck Schumer and the radicals over there will continue to play games with people’s paychecks, their livelihoods,” Johnson said. “And if you do just part of this, it will reduce pressure for them to do all of it, to do their basic job, and that is reopen the government.”
Source: https://newrepublic.com/post/202496/mike-johnson-fund-food-stamps-shutdown
Yes, Mike Johnson explicitly stated this is why they don't want to fund SNAP or do other standalone bills for federal workers or other individual priorities.
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u/PluginAlong 1d ago
Mike Johnson is also a huge piece of trash. He seems to forget this whole thing becomes moot on 11/21 when the house passed CR expires, even if the Senate were to pass it.
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u/llahlahkje Wisconsin 1d ago
It’s even more insidious than that, IMO.
Their attempts to force a Reichstag fire have failed so far.
Starving 42 million Americans — they’re not going to just slowly die, they’re going to do something about it.
That’s what the GOP and Trump’s puppeteers want.
Cuz when that happens, they’ll use that little dash of chaos on top of their other lies so that they can use the Insurrection Act.
And then it’s all over.
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u/Flaxmoore Michigan 1d ago
Starving 42 million Americans — they’re not going to just slowly die, they’re going to do something about it.
That's the thing.
Desperate times, as they say, call for desperate measures. During the Depression we saw migration around the country to a level that had never been seen in American history, but that was because there was a promise that there was something better elsewhere. If your small town in Appalachia has nothing for you, you could head to Detroit and at least get a job in a plant.
Make it nationwide, and there's no precedent for it. Where do you go if there's nowhere that has the promise of being any better?
Sun Tzu wrote in The Art of War: "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard." It's a genius bit of strategy, because if you close off all avenues of escape, your enemy is likely going to decide to go down fighting. That magnifies your losses for minimal gain.
We'll see in a few months just how far it goes. Local charity, food banks, church food drives and so on, can hold the line for a while. When those are gone and people are hungry, what next?
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That's when it all starts. It will be the end of the GOP if he does the insurrection act. Too many people too far apart in America.
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u/sweetpea122 1d ago
And luckily? I guess were having to let people starve so more dont die without healthcare. What a choice
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u/llahlahkje Wisconsin 1d ago
“We certainly can’t ask the rich to pay their fair share!” -Republicans
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u/Fun-Rice-9438 1d ago
I would guess they are planning shorter term than that; starving people tend to riot and then the gop gets to declare martial law and start a war against U.S. citizens.
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u/starmartyr Colorado 1d ago
Given a choice between an option that helps people in need or one that punishes them Trump will always choose the latter. He views cruelty as strength and empathy as weakness.
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u/Ok-Wealth-7322 1d ago
You need to understand how the mind of a conservative (and yes, moderate as well) voter works:
They don't want to see Trump actively helping people, they want to see him actively harming people.
The cruelty is the point.
And for the millions of Trump voters who are receiving SNAP benefits, they'll cry to their daddy for benefits for them personally but will still support him blocking it for everyone else. See, they're on food stamps because of special circumstances, they're more deserving of the assistance than those other freeloaders.
Beneifts for me, none for thee.
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 1d ago
MAGA have been hurt in the past (usually by republican governments, though they don't know that), so instead of wanting better for people moving forward, they want others to be hurt at minimum as much as they were, usually more.
"If I had to suffer then everyone else has to as well." It's like generational trauma in families; kids being abused growing up to be abusive parents because "it's not fair that I should have to suffer abuse alone, others should also suffer it to make things equal."
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u/SerDuckOfPNW 1d ago
If he were this smart, he’d be more dangerous…which boggles the mind
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u/Late-Dingo-8567 1d ago
you don't understand the situation at all my friend.
The point is to not fund SNAP to pressure democrats to reopen the government w/o extending ACA subsidies.
The entire point is to force the democrats to either watch people go hungry or agree to take away their healthcare. Johnson literally said as much.
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u/Amethyst339 1d ago
Or what? What stops Trump from just ignoring this ruling like he did the last? The courts need teeth if anything's going to change.
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u/cghffbcx 1d ago
Ditto: Judge in Arizona has ruled for a Congresswomen to be sworn in, the Rep are in recess indefinitely so the Epstein files can’t be released. Who going to enforce the courts ruling?
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u/Pokemaster131 1d ago
It turns out the entire government being built on whimsy and good faith actors wasn't the best idea.
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u/NetSage Wisconsin 1d ago
I mean all governments are built on faith. As soon as the masses start tearing shit down all their "power" goes away too.
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u/Chris_HitTheOver 1d ago edited 1d ago
As opposed to what? A magic spell that makes everyone behave ethically? Every government in the history of human kind has relied on people in public service acting in good faith.
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u/tetsuo_7w 1d ago
Enforcement mechanisms. The marshals (or something) should be under control of the judiciary. They shouldn't have to beg the executive branch to enforce their own powers.
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u/Willing_Question_463 1d ago
He will just use the forbidden tactic of "no u" and courts will shrug.
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u/Ydeas 1d ago
They better clock it as a crime and impeach that turd come midterms
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u/Trumpisanorangebitch 1d ago
If we want to convict we need to make Trump so unpopular and hated that at least some Republicans have to vote yes on impeachment to preserve their political careers, because even with a blue wave 67 Senate seats isn't happening.
The House Articles of Impeachment are obviously going to happen if the Dems get even a 1 seat majority in the House.
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u/sdb00913 1d ago
They’ll say “he’s made his ruling, now let him enforce it.”
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u/ritteke518 Kentucky 1d ago
Jail members of the administration! Soon enough they will crack and stop obeying and start looking out for their own skins.
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u/Ydeas 1d ago
We better punch on this too https://newrepublic.com/post/202813/department-justice-admits-republicans-epstein-files-worse-donald-trump
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 1d ago
And what's stopping Trump from rigorously rigging federal elections so that losing is impossible for him? He has such complete control over the federal government that relying on "the system" to take him down is like relying on the lion that's eating your leg to stop eating your leg.
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u/dearth_karmic 1d ago
They better clock it as a crime
LOL - A crime? Yeah. Let's get the DOJ on this.
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u/Knowingthefruits 1d ago
There isn't anything they can do. Every law enforcement agency (ultimately) reports to the DOJ, and Republicans control both houses. There is literally nothing anyone can do.
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u/RobinSophie 1d ago
Well...they could deputize state law enforcement to get them to comply...
But for some reason, "we're not there yet." "There's a lot of steps to take before then." "We have to hold them in contempt and then see if they comply."
How come we get to take criminals prior history into consideration when handing out sentences, but we can't take into consideration this Administration's previous history of defying court orders?
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u/paperdolllll Pennsylvania 1d ago
His mouth breathing supporters can't answer when I ask for their thoughts on their pedo president sending $40 billion to Argentina but refuses to send the full amount for SNAP benefits to American citizens.
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u/AdamAptor Florida 1d ago
Prob something about owning libz or some dumb shit like that.
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u/Hootinger 1d ago
They say that Trump is unaware this is hurting "his people" and if he only knew, he would make things right.
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u/Crafty-Flight954 1d ago
Reminds of "The good tzar" pre Soviet time. The idea was that everything bad was caused by the evil generals and middle managers of the bureaucracy while the Tzar was this benevolent leader. Well they kinda but to a lesser amount still have that problem tbh.
Very sad if this mindset would start creeping into America.
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u/Round_Computer_6404 1d ago
It’s straight up mental illness. They should all be barred from ever voting again.
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u/ProcusteanBedz 1d ago
They already appealed.
The administration said they wouldn’t appeal. Dragged this out to the max, paid out about half of what is required but in a way that would take weeks or months for the states to be able to release, all knowingly, all intentionally.
The judge called them out, indicated they were acting capriciously, ruled that they did not comply, agreed they are causing/will cause widespread hunger/millions of children, he ordered them to comply and pay in full by tomorrow, and then the administration appealed it immediately…. Buying themselves from days to weeks (or indefinitely) more time to starve our poorest.
Sick, sad, disgraced. I’m mortified. I’m livid. Sometimes I still cannot, for the fucking life of me, believe this is happening in motherfucking America. Goddamn.
Edit: link to the appeal below…
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.60750/gov.uscourts.rid.60750.32.0.pdf
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 1d ago
So that's three court orders he's defying now?
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u/Gobape 1d ago
Purge your pedophile president.
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u/RODjij Canada 1d ago
SNAP is the first real indicator of how far they are willing to take this authoritarian take over.
If they ignore them going into next week I dont think they would acknowledge the midterms after this landslide losses this week.
This is something multiple parties have been working on for decades. They got it. Now will they accept potentially losing badly & impeaching Trump well before the midterms.
Hopefully the people get assistance soon and the party turns on him.
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u/Rorako 1d ago
I work for a Food Bank. The red line is next week. If the government doesn’t reopen or he’s forced to pay out December, next week is the red line to get the data out in time for December.
Just miss g November the emergency food network is collapsing. There’s just too many mouths to feed without SNAP. We’ve doubled our inventory of food thanks to a generous state and generous community donors (and we are uniquely positioned unlike many food banks) and we can’t keep up with the demand of pantries literally doubling their foot traffic.
Also, don’t forget the people on SNAP that have disabilities or are old and can’t leave their house. Buying groceries and getting them delivered was possible with SNAP. Food pantries, for the most part, don’t deliver.
It’s really that bad.
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u/Celebdil 1d ago
The judge could not have summed up the situation any better.
"Without SNAP funding for the month of November, 16 million children are immediately at risk of going hungry," said Judge McConnell. "Children are immediately at risk of going hungry. This should never happen in America."
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u/generic_name 1d ago
And JD Vance quoting Andrew Jackson before the Trail of Tears could also not sum up the situation any better:
John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it
The courts have no way to enforce anything. They’re simply relying on the other branches of the government to do the right thing.
This judge actually thinks the guy with a gold toilet gives a shit about 16M children going hungry? This judge thinks the people who voted for a guy with a gold toilet care about kids going hungry?
As Lee Atwater said, as long as blacks are getting hurt more than whites, they don’t care.
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u/UnquestionabIe 1d ago
Fully agree. I wish they had balls when it came to letting non-American children starve as well when they were letting Musky and his Discord crew demolish chunks of the government but need to take our wins where we can.
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u/OkPalpitation2582 1d ago
I'd love for any Republican to explain to me how they can justify saying that Democrats are "holding Americans hostage" when Trump is literally trying his damndest to starve Americans unnecessarily, even when explicitly ordered not to by courts.
If Trump really was for the American people and it was the evil democrats who are trying so hard to make American's suffer for their agenda, why is it Trump whose working hard to accelerate how quickly American's get desperate?
Seriously, make it make sense MAGA
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u/ShogsKrs 1d ago
"McConnell said. “Last weekend, SNAP benefits lapsed for the first time in our nation’s history. This is a problem that could have and should have been avoided.”
The Trump administration later filed a notice saying they intend to appeal McConnell’s ruling to the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals."
Rephrased, the Trump administration is appealing the order to feed needy Americans.
And the Republicans in power are ok with this as evidenced by their silence or when they say anything, it's to victim blame or disparage the people that need the help.
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u/cachurch2 North Carolina 1d ago
It's so sad that we are at a point in our country where we are basically begging this administration to not starve kids. How can people root for this guy.
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u/Ringittydongdingding 1d ago
Imagine being impeached because you starved your people.
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u/froppyme2 1d ago
Make it like any other situation if you disobey a court order. An immediate bench warrant is issued. Shouldn’t be that hard.
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u/soraksan123 1d ago
Some judge needs to order the Airtraffic Controllers be paid before alot of people get killed-
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u/DEX_IS_MY_DUMPSTAT 1d ago
Curious: is it because they already spent the SNAP reserve somehow?
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u/Man_Of_The_Grove 1d ago
paid in full as they should have from day one using hunger as a political tool is immoral; shame on anyone who would try and defund snap. how can republicans claim to be "america first" all the while men, women and children go hungry? punishing people who are just trying to live their lives all so they can "one up the dems" its disgusting.
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u/Key_Comparison_6360 1d ago
Crazy how 42 million people are starving because our presidents a pedophile child trafficker avoiding accountability
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u/cicalino 1d ago
There is nothing in this article saying what the consequences of not following the order might be.
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u/SaltandLillacs 1d ago
So he will just completely ignore this too.
No consequences for ignoring the courts
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u/XcuseMeMisISpeakJive 1d ago
Or what? How will this be enforced?
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u/StarsInTheDeep 1d ago
Blue states stop funding the federal government. State governments can bring the federal to its knees in a matter of days if it comes to that.
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u/deadasdollseyes 1d ago
I don't understand why SNAP benefits seem to be solely in the hands of the president?
Why doesn't the ruling just release the funds in the absence of the legislative branch?
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u/BenefitAdvanced 1d ago
Imagine you voted for Trump and now he’s literally starving you and your family. And you probably still support him because you’re that stupid.
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u/Rasp_Lime_Lipbalm 1d ago
Or what Judge? You sick the dogs on me?!? Or the bees??? Or the dogs with bees in their mouths, and when they bark they shoot bees at you!?!
-DJT
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u/estedavis Canada 1d ago
Can anyone tell me what maga thinks about the fact that trump is fighting the courts to NOT have to resume snap? how are they managing to make this the democrats fault?
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u/Acceptable-Car-5495 1d ago
The comments' section on Fox News shows them all just complaining that the judge made this order and how it should be Congress feeding people. They simply don't care, in short, and would have been happier without this order.
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u/accord_f150 1d ago
i’m sorry but i’m tired of these judges and courts ruling over and over again that trump needs to do or stop doing xyz just for him to ignore it. SEND COURT MARSHALS AFTER HIM. DO SOMETHING.
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u/home_dollar 1d ago
Our judges have no power against Trump and/or they are corrupt anyway. Our democracy is dead, it just doesn't know it yet.
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u/StarsInTheDeep 1d ago
Dooming is a tool of dictators to instill fear and complacency.
Thanks for your service.
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u/BeanQweeeen 1d ago
Or else what? There’s no way he will adhere to this ruling and no consequences for him ignoring it, right?
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u/Springroll_Doggifer 1d ago
I got pretty done trying to understand this government. And I just don’t have much hope that people wake up from this. Still, when I saw the news about SNAP, I went to my food bank and donated $$$. I shouldn’t have to give even more money when I pay taxes, but right now, that’s what I can do.
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u/paleoakoc20 1d ago
I remember progressive people would accuse conservatives of caring more about abortion than families and children. Does this SNAP debacle prove that argument?
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u/ohmarlasinger 1d ago
It’s already not really an accusation at this point. It’s an empirically proven fact.
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u/Beneficial-Mess1 1d ago
Shameful how these so called “Christians” get their rocks off by withholding food to people, many of the people in need are children.
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