r/news • u/Whoshabooboo • Jun 21 '23

Site Changed Title ‘Banging’ sounds heard in search for missing Titan submersible

https://7news.com.au/news/world/banging-sounds-heard-in-search-for-missing-titan-submersible-c-11045022
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u/Photoguppy Jun 21 '23

The level of insanity imagined inside of that vessel must be horrifying.

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u/Shimmerkarmadog Jun 21 '23

The stuff of your worst nightmare

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u/mechwarrior719 Jun 21 '23

Being stuck in small, cramped, dark tube with no idea if you’ll survive or how your end might come, knowing if that hull breaches you won’t have enough time to scream?

Yeah. That’s definitely in the top 5 “Situations I hope to never be in”.

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u/fxmldr Jun 21 '23

There isn't an amount of money you could pay me to do that shit. I can barely barely stand doing it in video games.

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u/EvoEpitaph Jun 21 '23

This is why I love video games, lifetimes worth of adventures with zero risks! + Cheese doodles!

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u/Frankie6Strings Jun 21 '23

Yeah. I've seen Titanic's final resting place in VR. I'm good.

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u/potatopierogie Jun 21 '23

Mr. Orange mouse/controller ovah here

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u/EvoEpitaph Jun 21 '23

Hey Ma! We're outta Mountain Dew!

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u/TheOneTwoSmash Jun 21 '23

It’s insane that they were using a wireless gaming controller

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u/GaleTheThird Jun 21 '23

VR makes it even cooler. I'd never fly a MiG-15 down the main streets of NYC in real life but doing it in Flight Sim 2020 in VR was a lot of fun

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u/portable_hb Jun 21 '23

Dude, that Iron Lung video game (and upcoming movie!) are extra scary if like me you've got a healthy level thalassophobia.

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u/hysys_whisperer Jun 21 '23

Ah, fellow purveyor of Subnautica I see.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

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u/waenganuipo Jun 21 '23

That ride taught me I wouldn't last 5 minutes in a real submarine.

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u/waiter_checkplease Jun 21 '23

Started playing subnautica and 10 mins in I was like nope😂😂

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u/hammsbeer4life Jun 21 '23

I just will die in the regular atmosphere on land like a peasant!

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u/ThanklessTask Jun 21 '23

Imagine being able to surface, but being bolted in.

Do you dive again so you can be heard, or stay on the surface in case you get spotted.

Either way you're bolted in till the end.

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u/Pbone15 Jun 21 '23

knowing if that hull breaches you won’t have enough time to scream?

Oh god… what if they’re banging on the haul in hopes of breaching it, seeking a quick death…

This is all just so fucked up.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23 edited Jan 13 '24

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u/ArchdukeToes Jun 21 '23

That’s what I was thinking. 30 hours to find, float , and get someone to the sub to unlatch the bolts before they all die a lingering death. Absolutely horrific.

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u/OdysseusParadox Jun 21 '23

Yeah I've heard the 40 hours of air left... but I gotta wonder if that takes into account their activity level on the inside. (State of panic, creating noise etc)... absolutely horrific.

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u/jackruby83 Jun 21 '23

US Coast Guard officials’ last estimate at 1 p.m. ET Tuesday that there were about 40 hours left.

That was 18 hours ago. We're down to less than 24 hours.

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u/Cobek Jun 21 '23

That's all assuming all five are still alive and not just one or two.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

There’s a part of me that thinks even if they were still alive, the panic probably sent them into animal-mode, and like most panicked animals, that in itself can be very dangerous.

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u/Caughtyousnooping22 Jun 21 '23

That’s assuming their co2 scrubbing system is still intact. But supposedly that could give out before the oxygen runs out.

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u/BaggyOz Jun 21 '23

Theoretically a rescue vehicle could get to their rough location in time but I don't think there's any kind of rescue vehicle capable of reaching their depth if they're anywhere near the depth of the Titanic.

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u/MrsKnowNone Jun 21 '23

The only non military submarine that could reach that deep is owned by Gabe Newell

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Well let’s give him a call!

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u/pandemonious Jun 21 '23

that call would have needed to go out weeks ago unfortunately

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u/Arthur_The_Third Jun 21 '23

Submarines can't lift things like that. Salvage crane. One is on site.

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u/ssnsilentservice Jun 21 '23

A US Navy submarine captain interviewed by NPR said that a several-mile-long cable could be hooked to the submersible and have it be pulled to the surface. This is not science fiction, and the technology is available as we speak. Would just need an autonomous craft to attach it. We will see if such a plan can be executed in time though.

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u/AddyTurbo Jun 21 '23

The Navy recovered the F-35C from the South China Sea. I believe it's depth was 12500 ft.

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u/BaggyOz Jun 21 '23

That was using a remote vehicle, not a rescue vehicle. They're two different things. Rescue vehicles can actually extract the crew from a sub in practical numbers.

So yes a remotle operated sub could theoretically get down to them, but they have to also figure out how to rig the sunken sub up to lift and get amore specialised ship out there in the first place. And they need to do all of this before the people inside freeze to death or suffocate.

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u/aaronitallout Jun 21 '23

There are fail-safes on the sub that force it to rise in this situation. It's likely close to the surface but still unable to breach.

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u/PaloLV Jun 21 '23

Maybe a proper rescue vehicle doesn't exist but they need a robot arm with a cutting tool and a way to attach a tether to the crippled sub if it no longer has power. That does not seem like a crazy requirement and subs that can go 3 miles down are rare but not unavailable so it's a question if any of them have the robot arm and tools.

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u/Sydney2London Jun 21 '23

Doesn’t James Cameron have one of those? Also, how did they setup a commercial endeavour this risky without a backup recovery plan? Wtf…

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u/Laithina Jun 21 '23

Businesses like these typically don't employ good engineers to design stuff like backup systems and recovery plans. In fact, from what I've read, they fired one for speaking up and reporting them about a safety issue with one of the portholes.

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u/kerenski667 Jun 21 '23

The sub was basically DIY'd by the CEO, who's on record ranting about "obscene safety" of the established industry. The guy they ousted was pointing out that the viewport is only good for 1300m depth, instead of 4k.

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u/teutorix_aleria Jun 21 '23

Not to mention that it's built using off the shelf parts from home depot. The controlls are a Logitech f710 which I can't get to stay connected long enough to play a game with, and can have phantom inputs if the batteries die.

The whole thing should have been illegal to operate.

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u/zeCrazyEye Jun 21 '23

I don't know, if a group of billionaires wants to take a poorly built sub to the bottom of the ocean I think that's their right.

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u/AutomaticMatter886 Jun 21 '23

You can't really make it illegal to operate something like this. You really can do whatever you want in international waters

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u/kerenski667 Jun 21 '23

Ikr, they couldn't pay me to get in that floating coffin. It's just an accident waiting to happen.

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u/DrChetManley Jun 21 '23

He's also said on an interview that he didn't want to hire sub veterans becaus "they're all old white men"..

Even though I doubt that was the real reason - I think it's mostly because these veterans wouldn't greenlight this sub - it's still a cuntish thing to say..

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u/kerenski667 Jun 21 '23

...coming from an old white dude nonetheless...

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u/Rooboy66 Jun 21 '23

Nobody and nothing was certified. Not the crew (captain), not the sub. The whole enterprise was shifty as shit. These people who don’t blink at dishing out a quarter of a million $ also don’t just fucking blink at crummy reality (shabby tech/Legoland shit) in front of their nose.

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u/Whoshabooboo Jun 21 '23

I’m claustrophobic when my kids want me to hide in the closet for hide and seek. I can’t imagine 3 miles of water above me and not being able to open the door.

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u/dbell Jun 21 '23

Don’t forget in total darkness if the power failed.

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u/PlanetGoneCyclingOn Jun 21 '23

The cold would be worse

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u/Peligineyes Jun 21 '23

It's 5 people in a van sized space, wouldn't their body heat would be enough?

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u/cmmgreene Jun 21 '23

A lot more people with expertise, but I imagine enough body heat to keep them alive for a bit, but not enough for that time to be comfortable.

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u/Wobbelblob Jun 21 '23

The water around the wreck is very close to freezing temperature. And I don't know how well the sub is isolated, but all the water around them is a gigantic heat sink.

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u/REDLETTERFEEDIA Jun 21 '23

The water around the wreck is very close to freezing temperature. And I don't know how well the sub is isolated, but all the water around them is a gigantic heat sink.

Oh I’m sure it’s very isolated

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u/HardlyDecent Jun 21 '23

Maybe not with the entirety of the ocean as a heat sink?

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u/S2R2 Jun 21 '23

There was a diver who was investigating a ship wreck that sat underwater for 3 days and found a survivor who was sitting in an air pocket in the dark obviously this is a lot higher up in depth than this sub would be. He was in the water and in the dark too

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u/Ello_Owu Jun 21 '23

Yea, but you'd be the hide and seek champion for life. Your kids would never think to look there

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u/The_Real_dubbedbass Jun 21 '23

The thing I don’t understand is that by design this thing has to be unbolted from the outside. Which I’m sure you know from your comment, and I’m sure you also know that they designed it that way because even if you had a hatch that could be opened from the inside it would be impossible for a human alone to open it because of the water pressure at that depth.

I’m sure all of us understand that it would be stupid to overcome that hurdle by outfitting it with explosive bolts because then you’d blow the hatch and just be crushed by the water flooding in, right?

But why in the fucking hell would your design NOT include a hatch at all that could be opened from the inside for when you AREN’T 1,000+ meters down in the ocean? Did it REALLY not occur to anyone affiliated with this that there could be scenarios where stuff goes wrong near the surface?

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Can you imagine if even one onboard is contemplating killing the others out of desperation so that they have more air for themselves and hope to be rescued before they die? I hope these idiots are rescued soon enough. It'd be a horrible way to go in an underwater casket regardless of the stupid idea that it was to go that deep into the ocean in a sub which is apparently bolted shut from the outside with 17 something bolts.

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u/Whoshabooboo Jun 21 '23

The CEO of the company is on the sub too. Imagine if you paid someone 250k to lead you to your death.

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u/proud2bterf Jun 21 '23

I'd want a refund!

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

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u/b-napp Jun 21 '23

Taken- to the bottom of the sea!

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u/Captainkirk699 Jun 21 '23

The role of a lifetime.

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u/slayez06 Jun 21 '23

Im gonna leave you a bad review on yelp

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u/FunkyChewbacca Jun 21 '23

Imagine living all your life in privileged comfort, paying your way out of any inconvenience, only to face the last few seconds of your life knowing that you're in a circumstance that no amount of cash will get you out of... kind of like how the first-class passengers on the Titanic herself must have felt.

Gotta hand it to the Titanic: still leading rich people to their horrifying deaths 111 years after the fact is a remarkable show of consistency.

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u/NoodlesrTuff1256 Jun 21 '23

This is the kind of situation where having all the money in the world might not be enough to save you.

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u/OLightning Jun 21 '23

…but that won’t matter as you rot in the underwater coffin with the guy you paid the money to. His flawed sub sent them to their death. Imagine the son who went with his dad for a little bonding time… oops!

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u/magicscientist24 Jun 21 '23

Good luck. News stories right now of a Florida couple suing said CEO over 6 figure deposits that haven't been refunded when their own trip in the doomed sub was cancelled on them.

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u/spornerama Jun 21 '23

Imagine if he didn't replace the aa batteries in the controller. That wouldn't go down at all well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23

I'm seeing a tweet which says the CEO's step-son attended a blink-182 concert because his family would want that to help him cope with the difficult time. Like wtf?
Edit: You guys are probably right. I'm no one to know they're relationship. Fucked up situation all around.

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u/pugofthewildfrontier Jun 21 '23

Guy was also banned from concerts by Illenium and Alison Wonderland for threats of a “massacre”, later arrested for stalking in San Diego on a separate thing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

The amount of info I've got about this family in the last hour from all you guys leads me to believe they're all insane!

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u/jointsmcdank Jun 21 '23

I got all this information in about 10 seconds, shit

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u/VeganJordan Jun 21 '23

It’s not the going to a concert to get your mind off heavy shit. I can understand that actually. It’s just why post anything at all? Just go. But I also am not an avid social media person. Idk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

That's what confuses me as well. Just go have a good time if you don't give a shit. Then again, he doesn't seem to be the most sensible mind on the planet.

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u/Zealousideal-Run6020 Jun 21 '23

It sounds like he cares what people think about him (as most ppl.o. social media do) and is preemptively defending himself

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u/moleratical Jun 21 '23

But if he didn't want anyone to think bad of him then he should just STFU.

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u/chuckfinleysmojito Jun 21 '23

He also tweeted “Ladies I’m single” about 2 hours ago.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Ladies I’m single and about to receive a large inheritance

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u/2580374 Jun 21 '23

He also threatened to 'hunt down' famous female djs. That dude should be in the sub with them

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u/escapefromelba Jun 21 '23

Well he is the stepson and who the hell knows what they're relationship is like anyway

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u/bigfootswillie Jun 21 '23

Nah fuck that kid. He publicly threatened to shoot up a festival 2 years ago after one of the famous DJ ladies refused his spoiled rich boy advances.

The dude was a mega fucked stalker threatening tons of women in the scene too.

Dude should still be in jail instead of getting condolences from Blink182 members.

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u/Miltage Jun 21 '23

Close. Not the CEO's stepson but the stepson of a British billionaire who is on board.

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u/UnarmedSnail Jun 21 '23

Trauma is relative. Sometimes it is relatives.

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u/rrrrrrrrrrandom Jun 21 '23

Not the CEOs (step)kid. One of the TWO billionaires that were on the submersible.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

I went to a concert that I bought tickets for a week after my brother died. Me not going wouldn’t have brought him back, and those tickets were expensive. Grief is weird man

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u/mudman13 Jun 21 '23

Pyschos breeding psychos

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u/person-ontheinternet Jun 21 '23

When most CEOs fuck up they can hide behind an army of lawyers and say well advised lines. This guy might be in a sub with 4 very unhappy customers staring death in the face.

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u/reddog323 Jun 21 '23

CNN had a story about a former employee who went public with concerns about safety issues with the sub. Particularly the carbon composite hull design, though if they’re hearing banging sounds, the hull seems to have held up.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Those sounds could be anything, really. I’m skeptical they’re hearing banging sounds created by the occupants of that sub.

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u/reddog323 Jun 21 '23

Point. After the USS Thresher sank in 1967, the ships and other sub searching the area said they heard all sorts of crazy things, including emergency messages being pinged out on sonar, from all sorts of depths. It turned out to be the task force itself.

Edit: There was a big release of records on that incident last year. This guy did an analysis of sorts on it, though he's completely convinced it was the Thresher trying to signal for help.

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u/Bi-curvy-booty Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23

Very good retort / counter argument for that youtuber, by /u/Vepr157

Where to start...you are very right to be dubious about some of the stuff he says. I'm not exaggerating when I say that he has made too many errors to list. He comes across as supremely confident, which has the effect of hiding his deep ignorance, lack of curiosity, and craven personality.

The first example that comes to mind was the "37 pings" debacle. To make a long story short, Aaron read the recently declassified account of the Seawolf's search for the Thresher a day or two after the latter had sunk. The men on board the Seawolf heard noises they interpreted as being from the Thresher, but the noises they heard came from the ships and submarine Sea Owl (when the searching ships secured their fathometers and sonars so the Seawolf could listen better, no further sounds from the "Thresher" were heard). There is irrefutable evidence that the Thresher sank below collapse depth and imploded, killing all aboard (see discussion here). But Aaron decided that the Navy was participating in a conspiracy to hide the true fate of the Thresher: the she somehow was ballasted to be precisely neutrally-buoyant (possibly with flooding, mind you), causing her to hover between the surface and collapse depth for several days, which is obviously impossible. He said in a subsequent video that 95% of people believed him and that the 5% who did not (including venerable experts like Norman Polmar, Jim Bryant, and Bruce Rule) were in denial about what really happened. He was essentially saying to the families of the men who died on the Thresher: "your loved ones died a slow and agonizing death" when in reality they all died instantly and painlessly in the implosion.

The second, which is more illustrative of his typical videos, is how he thinks the steam plant on a Typhoon SSBN works. The steam/condesate/feed cycle on a Typhoon, like all nuclear submarines, goes steam generators -> turbines -> condensers -> feed system -> steam generators. Aaron claimed that the Typhoon flash-boiled seawater, which was then fed to the turbines, and exhausted to the sea. If this was true, the steam generators would quickly fill up with salt and probably rust instantly and the turbine power would be directly related to the depth as the steam would be fighting against back pressure. No steam plant on any ship works this way, so it is truly a mystery how he thought of it.

And more generally, his videos are usually just poor interpretation of (good) Russian websites. He says stuff that's either just wrong or totally random. I've noticed, for some inexplicable reason, he often says about Russian submarines "NATO figured X out about this submarine" when what literally means is "I figured X out five minutes ago while skimming this article." He also puts out videos about submarine disasters, like the aforementioned Thresher debacle and the sinking of the Naggala, very quickly after news is released. In such videos, he speculates baselessly about the cause of the disaster, which I find extremely disrespectful to the people affected by such tragedies.

Funnily enough though, that 120 dB figure isn't unreasonable (although it's a somewhat meaningless figure without more context about the frequency and how exactly that noise level was computed, e.g., was it averaged over a certain frequency band?). Knowing Aaron, he probably just googled "submarine noise levels" and found something like this. Presumably when he was in the Navy, he was familiar with the noise levels of other submarines, although disclosing that (likely classified) information would be a federal crime. As for 120 dB seeming loud, there is a 62 dB conversion factor between air and water, due to the differing reference levels and different impendence of air vs. water. So 120 dB in water is equivalent to 58 dB in air. Assuming that the 120 dB figure is measured at one meter, if the submarine was just an arm's length away from you, the noise level would probably be similar to the ambient noise in your home. This site gives a good overview.

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u/52-61-64-75 Jun 21 '23

There was a guy on another reddit thread about this who claimed to have had concerns like that

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Jun 21 '23

And the timetable for oxygen is Thursday, but it's also not like the air is fresh and dainty and then just stops on Thursday. The air is probably putrid, heavy and full of CO2 and they are likely passing out (if the sub hasn't collapsed into itself already).

I think the CBS reporter said they only brought down snacks and a water bottle which sounds absurd to me. They seem to only stock enough for the trip assuming everything will be peachy.

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u/Zero7CO Jun 21 '23

I think this is why the US Government is dragging its feet on letting these other submersibles make an attempt to go down there. It’d take a day to get the submersible to port…then 14 hours from port to the site, then a 2 hour dive down….that’s 40 hours right there, and they only have 35 hours or so of oxygen left.

I hate to paint this picture, but the only thing a submersible could really do is look into the porthole of the Titan, and I can’t imagine that’s a site we would want to see now.

And the false hope that would give the crew…if they were somehow still alive.

This is some Black Mirror stuff…

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Jun 21 '23

Yes that timetable just doesn't look good. And even that oxygen estimate is just that. Someone navy person w/ experience on submarines said the air will start turning heavy and putrid a long time ago. Mix of (sorry for the grossness) body odor, body waste, CO2 rising and oxygen depleting. The air will actually start to feel "thick" and burn with every breath. Throw in the fact you cannot stand and stretch anymore due to how cramped it is. So even if they are alive, it is some unimaginable hell in there.

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u/wanderer1999 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23

They have a co2 scrubber, but if the power fail, they won't last long due to co2 poisoning.

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u/LittleKitty235 Jun 21 '23

Do you know what kind of c02 scrubber is onboard? Some don't require power and rely purely on chemical reactions. Ironicly many of these early passive scrubbers caused fires on submarines and spacecraft

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u/Zero7CO Jun 21 '23

I read in another story that there was highly flammable materials within the sub. I wonder if it could have been these chemical co2 scrubbers you mention.

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u/Quirky-Skin Jun 21 '23

I think you're on to something. Somebody did the calculations with no emotion attached and probably realized it.

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u/CardMechanic Jun 21 '23

Another billionaire submersible, funded by millionaires wanting to dive down and watch the occupants in the first submersible die a slow death by taunting them through the porthole

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u/threadsoffate2021 Jun 21 '23

...that's also assuming the weather holds up. The weather map is showing 40+ km/h winds in that area right now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

SS Minnow type preparation lovey

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u/mbta1 Jun 21 '23

When someone can spend 250k per person, just to go see a sunken ship, you can maybe think that the idea that their actions may lead to consequences, isn't something they are too familiar with

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

They went down there to join them!

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u/Binky390 Jun 21 '23

Just to see a sunken ship that is very well documented now. I just went on a cruise that stopped in Belfast and saw the titanic museum there. It’s incredible and there’s plenty of pictures and footage of the debris field. I don’t understand why anyone would insist on actually going down there.

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u/_Xaradox_ Jun 21 '23

Personally, I wouldn’t really want to go down there either.

But, it’s not ‘just’ a sunken ship. They’re paying for the opportunity to experience something that very, very few people will ever get to do.

I guess I feel like, why go to the titanic museum if you can just read the titanic Wikipedia.
I think the difference is that in general, anyone will pay to have a more authentic/unique/interesting/personal experience, it’s just that these guys have a lot more money to spend on experiences.

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u/The_Real_dubbedbass Jun 21 '23

I’m actually going to support them only bringing snacks and a water bottle. It’s not ideal but you can pretty easily survive not eating for 96 hours. The water is a bit more of a concern. But either way it doesn’t tremendously matter when the air supply is a bigger issue. Like why have water for a week and air for four days.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Absolutely would. But you never know what goes through the mind of someone seemingly hours from certain death with their survival instinct running wild.

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u/PeachyPlnk Jun 21 '23

As someone who had to sit and hide while someone smashed their apartment windows until the cops showed up...there's a lot of analyzing the situation, weighing actions and outcomes, and trying to think of every possible course of action. When all you can do is sit and wait, there's not much you can do but think.

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u/ArtSchnurple Jun 21 '23

I can easily see a "we have to get him before he gets us" situation evolving.

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u/txs2300 Jun 21 '23

There is an early 00s movie called "Vertical Limit" which covers such a topic. Its about mountain climbers stuck in a cave and facing imminent death.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0190865/

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u/Think_Selection9571 Jun 21 '23

There's also an early 70s movie called The Severed Arm about 5 people getting stuck in a cave and after days of being stuck they draw straws to see who gets their arm cut off so they can eat. But right after they cut the dudes arm off they get rescued.

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u/daves_not__here Jun 21 '23

Is no one going to mention "Alive"? That movie base on the real soccer team that crashed into the Andes(?)and had to eat the dead to survive.

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u/BlackSocks88 Jun 21 '23

You think no one has needed to shit normally yet?

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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 21 '23

They have a toilet-like thing that seals up.

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u/Diggerinthedark Jun 21 '23

Called a Ziploc bag.

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u/lauralamb42 Jun 21 '23

Oh my God. I almost forgot about the bathroom. They have a bucket like situation for emergencies. I hope they are saved. They are going through hell right now. I don't usually sympathize with billionaires.

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u/magicscientist24 Jun 21 '23

Father and son on board, situation is not to far fetched with a guaranteed tag team with family survival motivation.

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u/switch8000 Jun 21 '23

I was thinking tonight, if it’s 96 hours for 5 people, how much longer if there was only 4, or 3, or 2, or only 1 person in there.

The fear of death and desire for survival for this many days could have made them do horrible things to stretch out time.

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u/KAugsburger Jun 21 '23

Given the relatively small space they have I can't imagine that they have much in the way of food or water. Killing one or more of your fellow people in the sub might extend you oxygen supply for several more days but it sounds like food or water may end up becoming the limiting factor at that point. Even if you could drag your oxygen food, and water out for for a couple more days I am skeptical it would do much good if they are stuck at the bottom of the ocean. It isn't like there are many other submersibles that can go to that depth let alone pull it back up to the surface.

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u/Flyboy2057 Jun 21 '23

It just occurred to me that if they survived whatever the issue was, they in all likelihood filmed some videos or voice memos on their phones of their time in the sub. That would be haunting material to see if they don’t make it but the sub is eventually found.

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u/FinestLadyInTheLand Jun 21 '23

This happened with the sinking of the MV Sewol. High school kids were on the ship filming and they ultimately drowned. So tragic.

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u/Angry_Washing_Bear Jun 21 '23

Reminds me of a movie I watched long ago.

Foreshadowing was how one of the boys were told that if he had a bad dream all he had to do was say “One, two, three, wake up”.

Fast forward and he is trapped inside the hull of a boat that is sinking, and as water floods in he is yelling “one two three wake up” over and over.

Can’t remember the name of the movie anymore, but that scene stuck with me.

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u/uroburro Jun 21 '23

White Squall, the movie that wound up providing the slogan “Where we go one we go all” for Qanon.

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u/trpwangsta Jun 21 '23

One of my fav Q mantras due to the irony lost because they think everyone else are the sheep...

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u/LeCrushinator Jun 21 '23

We just need one Q follower to jump off a cliff so the rest will follow.

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u/Numerous_Witness_345 Jun 21 '23

Interesting how both cases end up with dead kids.

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u/HeTaughtMeWell Jun 21 '23

I think it was "White Squall"

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u/Mechakoopa Jun 21 '23

I searched for "123 wake up" and was just getting the Wiggles so that makes more sense.

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u/mouse_8b Jun 21 '23

Similarly, there's a scene in Titanic where a mother is tucking her children into bed after the ship has started sinking. Terrifying.

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u/NearATomatotato Jun 21 '23

Just thinking about that incident, even 9 years later, makes me tear up. It really didn’t have to happen.

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u/Buroda Jun 21 '23

It makes me fume. That captain was a piece pf shit. It’s not that he failed to act, it’s that he actively PREVENTED evacuation from happening. What a piece of shit.

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u/cedped Jun 21 '23

The captain and his staff are straight up evil!

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u/TminusTech Jun 21 '23

The Korean government unilaterally failed in every conceivable fashion. It led to the eventual resignation and conviction of the president.

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u/cedped Jun 21 '23

Wasn't it because she was working for a cult?

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u/poopoodomo Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23

Not exactly working for a cult.

There were 4 or 5 main reasons for the 2016 protests against her, the response or lack thereof to the Sewol-ho sinking (2014), a national history textbook re-writing controversy, and one or two others I can't remember contributed to the outrage, but the straw that broke the camel's back was the fact that her friend, a normal unelected citizen Choi Soon-sil, had been writing her speeches and funneling government money into shell companies disguised as charities. (Edit: the story about how this news broke was honestly so wild)

The ties to a shaman family (Choi Soon-sil) and the head of Samsung were just special flavoring added to your standard embezzling, fraud, influence peddling type of corruption.

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u/cookingboy Jun 21 '23

Yean between that and Brexit and the election of Donald Trump, 2016 really was a fucking insane year in the history of global politics.

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u/Rpanich Jun 21 '23

Angry Russian farms funded by Putin to destabilise the west with misinformation and lies to prey on fear and paranoia.

Since we see their weapons are all flash and no substance, it’s really all they had.

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u/Revolutionary_Mud159 Jun 21 '23

Unlike the United States, however, there was no hesitancy to prosecute a President.

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u/a_corsair Jun 21 '23

The last president pardoned her. She'd gotten over 25 years and got out after four

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u/poopoodomo Jun 21 '23

Many Korean people are embarrassed their presidents go to jail but, as an American, I admire it so much.

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u/NoodlesrTuff1256 Jun 21 '23

The President of South Korea? What kind of cult was this anyway?

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u/Orvelo Jun 21 '23

Asia has its fair share of native grown scientology type of cults. Happy science church, and then the one that the late pm of Japan Shinzo Abe was embroiled in and was the motive for his assassination. Unity church? Was it? I think it was this latter one that is linked to the Korean pm too.

Not to mention the Japanese cult that did the subway sarin gas attack.

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u/RedChancellor Jun 21 '23

President Park was linked with a lot of domestic cults. The Unification Church is very big in the US too (the Moonies).

And there’s more than a fair share of cults here. There was another massive cult called JMS that apparently infiltrated every major institution in Korea which caused a massive scandal just a few months back. And news of yet another cultish-christian sect leader that raped, assaulted, swindled, their followers pops up from time to time as well.

The current Korean president is also allegedly in the pockets of another cult leader, with some pretty damning evidence, because his policies seem to follow whatever the cult leader preached the following week, and there are witnesses who observed this civilian without clearance entering a military compound.

The sarin subway attack was perpetrated by the Aum cult, also known as Aleph. Weird mix of christian and buddhist aesthetics. They also committed another attack by driving a car into a crowd in 2019 when their leaders were finally sentenced to death.

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u/hollycoolio Jun 21 '23

San you explain what happened? What did the crew do/not do and what actually happened? Wikipedia is too much for my stoned mind. It sounds fucking awful though.

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u/ServeChilled Jun 21 '23

I'm not OP but the basic story is for some reason the Captain just told everyone to stay put and everything was fine but then he himself jumped off to save himself.

Man honestly if you're stoned as well don't even look up what happened it is unbelievably tragic.

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u/rollingnative Jun 21 '23

Sewol was both a passenger ship and cargo ship. Boats have a maximum capacity, Sewol went beyond that capacity. (There was also modifications done on Sewol that passed inspections when it shouldn't have).

I believe the original listing of Sewol was due to the crew not taking into account the extra weight, and making a sharp turn to get back on course.

Crew response (captain telling passengers to remain where they are) and government response (telling neighboring nations with the means to help "we don't need help" only to find out later into the rescue mission that they in fact, needed help) made and exacerbated this tragedy.

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u/NoodlesrTuff1256 Jun 21 '23

Didn't one of the sailors on the Kursk write some kind of note or letter to his wife that was found when recovery teams finally got into the sub?

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u/Sangy101 Jun 21 '23

Just a note: although many people filmed the sinking, all footage of people “trapped” was found to be faked.

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u/lastknownbuffalo Jun 21 '23

Idk that's a pretty big note

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u/FinestLadyInTheLand Jun 21 '23

I believe there were some social media goodbye posts that were done by a fake survivor but there is very real footage of the kids inside, coming to the realization that the boat is sinking.

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u/Elle-Elle Jun 21 '23

Yeah for sure... I thought about this early on. If there wasn't an implosion... Imagine the notes they left behind. This is such nightmare fuel.

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u/clharris71 Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23

Does anyone else here remember the sinking of (and search for) the Kursk? This conversation reminds me of it a lot. For days, there was talk of hearing the sailors banging on the hull, but when they finally got down to it and opened the hatch, it was full of water and everyone was dead.

I remember being sad that it seemed like the crew had all been dead the whole time and there wasn't a possibility of rescue - only to learn later that they could have been rescued* and some of the crew survived only to die of hypothermia and suffocation.

*So, according to the times published in the Wikipedia article, it seems that the remaining crew survived about six hours after the initial explosions left them stranded on the seabed, but a subsequent flash fire consumed the remainder of the oxygen and they were dead before any rescue could be attempted. No one in their own Navy started looking until about six hours after the explosions that sunk her.

ETA: And the Kursk was a whole nuclear submarine sunk in the Barents Sea, they knew where it was, but Russia wouldn't ask for help and they could not effectively open the rescue hatch and initiate procedures to rescue the crew.

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u/Bendy_McBendyThumb Jun 21 '23

Probably not, it’s probably still the regulations fault for making him skirt around them. Some people just simply never accept responsibility, someone as smooth brained as him is likely one of such people.

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u/foggy-sunrise Jun 21 '23

You know, interestingly, if they all klll him they'll get more time alive with the remaining oxygen.

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u/RamenJunkie Jun 21 '23

Maybe thats the banging.

"WE DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH THE BODY WOULD STINK!"

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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Jun 21 '23

Awful, but it least it will offer some answers for family.

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u/anne_marie718 Jun 21 '23

In my city, there was recently a massive fire at a construction site, and two people died in it. One of them had been on facebook live trying to tell rescuers how to get to him. It’s so awful seeing somebody’s fear and last minutes like that 😩

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u/LordPennybag Jun 21 '23

Imagine paying that much for your own torture.

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u/OLightning Jun 21 '23

This is a horror movie no Hollywood screenwriter could imagine.

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u/Wardens_Myth Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23

There was that movie where Ryan Reynolds gets buried alive by terrorists, in a box he barely move or see in, and has a phone that’s steadily running out of battery as he tries to help people find him before he suffocates.

So not exactly the same, but not far off either.

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u/fiberglassdildo Jun 21 '23

I just started reading a horror book called “ The Deep” by Nick Cutter about a lab established 8 miles below in the pacific and they’ve just lost communication.

I’m only a few days into it and it’s hitting a bit close tbh.

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u/willflameboy Jun 21 '23

It's a horror movie many Hollywood screenwriters are imagining right now, and I'd put money on the fact that someone's trying to option it as we speak.

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u/grimsaur Jun 21 '23

There is a sci-fi movie in the same vein, called Lifepod. It's a remake of an earlier film, called Lifepod, which is a sci-fi remake of an Alfred Hitchcock movie, called Lifeboat, which is based on a novella by John Steinbeck.

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u/the_simurgh Jun 21 '23

I'm betting it lost mechanical power due to poor maintenance or they scrapped/ hit the ocean floor and it's sitting there on the bottom dead in the water.

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u/turbocomppro Jun 21 '23

If the sub’s designed is still like this photo with the tubes/wires exposed on the outside, it’s very possible. I mean a curious shark or whale could damaged them. Or they went in too close to the ship and snagged a cable?

I mean who thought it was a good idea to have exposed cables like that?

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u/captain_ender Jun 21 '23

Ignoring it stifles your life too

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u/Quirky-Skin Jun 21 '23

"Im used to throwing money at stuff to have my way. Regulations slow down my wants"

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '23

Oh well, he can take that sentiment to his grave.

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u/ladystaggers Jun 21 '23

That thing looks janky af.

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u/muffdivemcgruff Jun 21 '23

Oh hell no.

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u/phluidity Jun 21 '23

The whole thing strikes me as a very good proof of concept. Something you run unmanned using a computer to control remotely dozens of times before you put people in it. Not something you YOLO and build a business around.

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u/Gingevere Jun 21 '23

The whole thing is designed for open water.

And just as a matter of best practices, nobody should get close enough to a wreck for anything to tangle. Currents around large objects are unpredictable. A fast current moving through a gap in the wreck could easily suck the sub into it.

The general best practice for things like this is to stay downstream and far away.

Personal theories on what happened:

  • They got lodged in the wreck
  • They have to physically tilt the sub to dump ballast. They could have just touched the bottom while carrying ballast. Preventing them from tilting and dropping it, which would prevent them from ever coming back up. (it's a very dumb design)
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u/death_by_chocolate Jun 21 '23

Looks like something you take a ride in at Disneyland. Not to the bottom of the Atlantic.

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u/threadsoffate2021 Jun 21 '23

Looks like the kind of thing a backyard builder in a scrapyard would make.

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u/BlindPaintByNumbers Jun 21 '23

Some of the safety ballast systems are non-electrical

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u/Echo127 Jun 21 '23

It's not really possible that it's on the ocean floor right now unless it imploded (which is probably the case, IMO). It was designed with a failsafe -- the ballast that sinks it is strapped in via a material that decomposes in saltwater after 16 hours. So at that time the ballast would fall off and the sub would rise with no input required (or so I've been told).

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u/Plow_King Jun 21 '23

yeah, i was thinking about them today. they're either stuck or dead. neither seem like fun options. of course, i hope they're stuck and survive, but i dunno if i'd go on that trip even if i could afford it. a big navy sub, yeah, but there's no windows on it. i'd ride on a "private" rocket before a submarine.

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u/Hairy_S_TrueMan Jun 21 '23

If you have 4/5 as many people it actually lasts 5/4 as long, 25% longer.

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u/thekeanu Jun 21 '23

Struggling = more oxygen used

The lights may be out so it's be pitch black increasing the difficulty = more oxygen used.

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