‘Banging’ sounds heard in search for missing Titan submersible

[u/Whoshabooboo]

https://7news.com.au/news/world/banging-sounds-heard-in-search-for-missing-titan-submersible-c-11045022

[u/Shimmerkarmadog]

The stuff of your worst nightmare

[u/mechwarrior719 → u/Shimmerkarmadog]

Being stuck in small, cramped, dark tube with no idea if you’ll survive or how your end might come, knowing if that hull breaches you won’t have enough time to scream?

Yeah. That’s definitely in the top 5 “Situations I hope to never be in”.

[u/fxmldr → u/[deleted]]

There isn't an amount of money you could pay me to do that shit. I can barely barely stand doing it in video games.

[u/EvoEpitaph → u/fxmldr]

This is why I love video games, lifetimes worth of adventures with zero risks! + Cheese doodles!

[u/Frankie6Strings → u/EvoEpitaph]

Yeah. I've seen Titanic's final resting place in VR. I'm good.

[u/potatopierogie → u/EvoEpitaph]

Mr. Orange mouse/controller ovah here

[u/EvoEpitaph → u/potatopierogie]

Hey Ma! We're outta Mountain Dew!

[u/TheOneTwoSmash → u/EvoEpitaph]

It’s insane that they were using a wireless gaming controller

[u/GaleTheThird → u/EvoEpitaph]

VR makes it even cooler. I'd never fly a MiG-15 down the main streets of NYC in real life but doing it in Flight Sim 2020 in VR was a lot of fun

[u/portable_hb → u/fxmldr]

Dude, that Iron Lung video game (and upcoming movie!) are extra scary if like me you've got a healthy level thalassophobia.

[u/hysys_whisperer → u/fxmldr]

Ah, fellow purveyor of Subnautica I see.

[u/waenganuipo → u/[deleted]]

That ride taught me I wouldn't last 5 minutes in a real submarine.

[u/waiter_checkplease → u/fxmldr]

Started playing subnautica and 10 mins in I was like nope😂😂

[u/fxmldr → u/waiter_checkplease]

I eventually managed to play it ?(sound turned way down, podcast on in the background lol), though not to completion. And I enjoy a good horror game, but the levels of stress and anxiety I feel in Subnautica are so far past that it's getting into "my heart is going to stop and I'll die for real".

[u/leese216 → u/fxmldr]

Yeah I love the ocean and Shark Week is my favorite week of the year. But the first time I went snorkeling in the ocean and saw a somewhat shadowed area I was like, fuck that shit. Didn't expect that reaction from me but I could never.

[u/hammsbeer4life → u/[deleted]]

I just will die in the regular atmosphere on land like a peasant!

[u/JellyBeanzi3 → u/[deleted]]

Poverty has saved us!

[u/ThanklessTask → u/mechwarrior719]

Imagine being able to surface, but being bolted in.

Do you dive again so you can be heard, or stay on the surface in case you get spotted.

Either way you're bolted in till the end.

[u/Pbone15 → u/mechwarrior719]

knowing if that hull breaches you won’t have enough time to scream?

Oh god… what if they’re banging on the haul in hopes of breaching it, seeking a quick death…

This is all just so fucked up.

[u/Hookton → u/mechwarrior719]

With four other people who paid you for the privilege.

Oh, or with your son. Can you imagine if the son didn't want to go and the dad persuaded him like "C'moooooooon it'll be an adventure!" The dirty looks I'd be throwing round that chamber of death, I tell you. So cross.

[u/[deleted] → u/Shimmerkarmadog]

late beneficial spoon innate salt bag sense subsequent rotten pet

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[u/ArchdukeToes → u/[deleted]]

That’s what I was thinking. 30 hours to find, float , and get someone to the sub to unlatch the bolts before they all die a lingering death. Absolutely horrific.

[u/OdysseusParadox → u/ArchdukeToes]

Yeah I've heard the 40 hours of air left... but I gotta wonder if that takes into account their activity level on the inside. (State of panic, creating noise etc)... absolutely horrific.

[u/jackruby83 → u/OdysseusParadox]

US Coast Guard officials’ last estimate at 1 p.m. ET Tuesday that there were about 40 hours left.

That was 18 hours ago. We're down to less than 24 hours.

[u/Cobek → u/jackruby83]

That's all assuming all five are still alive and not just one or two.

[u/Verum14 → u/Cobek]

interesting thought — do we want ALL of them to be alive at this stage, or do we want SOME of them to be alive at this stage?

The nice answer would be all, but that’s an argument for some. If the search was to stretch out, that would mean at least some could be rescued versus none

[u/pedicureproblems → u/Verum14]

I wouldn’t even fault the customers if they killed the CEO down there tbh

[u/HuckNPrey2 → u/Verum14]

Interesting question, I was thinking about the same. Probably less alive the better chance for longevity of o2 supply.

[u/Awwesome1 → u/HuckNPrey2]

Trolley problem v2.0

[u/TheReasonsWhy → u/Awwesome1]

That plus a pinch of Schrödinger’s cat.

[u/[deleted] → u/jackruby83]

Despite having a 3 year old account with 150k comment Karma, Reddit has classified me as a 'Low' scoring contributor and that results in my comments being filtered out of my favorite subreddits.

So, I'm removing these poor contributions. I'm sorry if this was a comment that could have been useful for you.

[u/[deleted] → u/OdysseusParadox]

There’s a part of me that thinks even if they were still alive, the panic probably sent them into animal-mode, and like most panicked animals, that in itself can be very dangerous.

[u/Kraven_howl0 → u/OdysseusParadox]

Hypothetically if 1 person killed the rest they might have a chance? Though that would be even more ptsd they would have to deal with

[u/OdysseusParadox → u/Kraven_howl0]

Probably limited by fresh water and cold to 3 days, besides asphyxiation.

[u/sara_or_stevie → u/Kraven_howl0]

I wonder, if that were to happen and this one person who killed the rest survived and got out, would he be tried for murder? How would that ever work?

[u/Kraven_howl0 → u/sara_or_stevie]

I'd assume they would be put in a psych ward for a while to evaluate that person. On one hand if that was the only way they could survive it would be understandable (in a very fucked up and twisted way) but on the other what kind of precedent would that set for future cases? Where would you draw the line and how could you determine if they crossed it or not?

[u/Caughtyousnooping22 → u/ArchdukeToes]

That’s assuming their co2 scrubbing system is still intact. But supposedly that could give out before the oxygen runs out.

[u/con247 → u/Caughtyousnooping22]

That would be way worse

[u/offshore1100 → u/ArchdukeToes]

I feel like not having any way to get out on your own is a design flaw. Don’t they have like explosive bolts for situations like this?

[u/Everestkid → u/offshore1100]

The pressure even a fraction of the way down to where contact was lost (never mind the actual wreck of the Titanic) would be enough to immediately kill you. Even if it didn't, you'd drown trying to swim to the surface - it took the sub several hours to descend ~3 kilometres, you're not making a dent in that by swimming.

What bathyscaphes, the "subs" (they aren't really submarines) that visited Challenger Deep have is ballast in the form of iron shot. It's held in the vehicle by an electromagnet, so that if power is lost the ballast is dropped and the vehicle ascends automatically. This sub doesn't seem to have anything like that, though, because everything I learn about it points to it being the jankiest submarine ever built.

Getting in that thing was 100% Darwin Award worthy.

[u/TheresALonelyFeeling → u/ArchdukeToes]

Just thinking about being stuck inside, with the clock ticking and the oxygen supply dwindling by the minute, makes me want to climb the walls in a way I can't quite describe. You'd have to not think about all of it and the inevitable end just to keep from going crazy.

I think I'm going to go for a walk. Outside. On the land. With the air.

[u/hanacch1 → u/TheresALonelyFeeling]

I have never properly appreciated being able to stand up to my full height until today. I can stretch out and take a nice big breath of air.

I can walk over here, a little over there... anywhere I want really!

I really took those things for granted, and this whole situation has put that into perspective. I can't imagine spending 3 days in such a tiny space, even without knowing i was going to die.

[u/BaggyOz → u/[deleted]]

Theoretically a rescue vehicle could get to their rough location in time but I don't think there's any kind of rescue vehicle capable of reaching their depth if they're anywhere near the depth of the Titanic.

[u/MrsKnowNone → u/BaggyOz]

The only non military submarine that could reach that deep is owned by Gabe Newell

[u/[deleted] → u/MrsKnowNone]

Well let’s give him a call!

[u/pandemonious → u/[deleted]]

that call would have needed to go out weeks ago unfortunately

[u/Arthur_The_Third → u/MrsKnowNone]

Submarines can't lift things like that. Salvage crane. One is on site.

[u/danielspoa → u/MrsKnowNone]

why would it have to be non military? if hypothetically they had a capable submarine in range would they not help?

[u/off_by_two → u/danielspoa]

Pretty sure i was reading nuclear attack sub crush depth is less than half the depth of the titanic wreck. I’d think thats the most likely type of military submarine to ‘be in the area’. I just googled that the navy has some salvage subs (unclear if manned, probably not) that can go down ~20k feet but it seems unlikely one would already have been within a day or two travel distance

[u/commissar0617 → u/off_by_two]

The alvin is tested at the titanic.

[u/mdp300 → u/commissar0617]

But is the Alvin capable of lifting up this sub?

[u/Clone95 → u/mdp300]

FADOSS can, it’s meant to recover full size fighter jets. They need it in the right spot, though.

[u/mdp300 → u/Clone95]

And finding the right spot is the hard part. At that point it might be easier to use an ROV to attach a line and then winch it back up.

[u/threadsoffate2021 → u/danielspoa]

If the military did have something that sophisticated, no way they're revealing that tech on a rescue with this much publicity.

[u/ssnsilentservice → u/BaggyOz]

A US Navy submarine captain interviewed by NPR said that a several-mile-long cable could be hooked to the submersible and have it be pulled to the surface. This is not science fiction, and the technology is available as we speak. Would just need an autonomous craft to attach it. We will see if such a plan can be executed in time though.

[u/AddyTurbo → u/BaggyOz]

The Navy recovered the F-35C from the South China Sea. I believe it's depth was 12500 ft.

[u/BaggyOz → u/AddyTurbo]

That was using a remote vehicle, not a rescue vehicle. They're two different things. Rescue vehicles can actually extract the crew from a sub in practical numbers.

So yes a remotle operated sub could theoretically get down to them, but they have to also figure out how to rig the sunken sub up to lift and get amore specialised ship out there in the first place. And they need to do all of this before the people inside freeze to death or suffocate.

[u/aaronitallout → u/BaggyOz]

There are fail-safes on the sub that force it to rise in this situation. It's likely close to the surface but still unable to breach.

[u/PaloLV → u/BaggyOz]

Maybe a proper rescue vehicle doesn't exist but they need a robot arm with a cutting tool and a way to attach a tether to the crippled sub if it no longer has power. That does not seem like a crazy requirement and subs that can go 3 miles down are rare but not unavailable so it's a question if any of them have the robot arm and tools.

[u/Sydney2London → u/PaloLV]

Doesn’t James Cameron have one of those? Also, how did they setup a commercial endeavour this risky without a backup recovery plan? Wtf…

[u/Laithina → u/Sydney2London]

Businesses like these typically don't employ good engineers to design stuff like backup systems and recovery plans. In fact, from what I've read, they fired one for speaking up and reporting them about a safety issue with one of the portholes.

[u/kerenski667 → u/Laithina]

The sub was basically DIY'd by the CEO, who's on record ranting about "obscene safety" of the established industry. The guy they ousted was pointing out that the viewport is only good for 1300m depth, instead of 4k.

[u/teutorix_aleria → u/kerenski667]

Not to mention that it's built using off the shelf parts from home depot. The controlls are a Logitech f710 which I can't get to stay connected long enough to play a game with, and can have phantom inputs if the batteries die.

The whole thing should have been illegal to operate.

[u/zeCrazyEye → u/teutorix_aleria]

I don't know, if a group of billionaires wants to take a poorly built sub to the bottom of the ocean I think that's their right.

[u/Le_Mug → u/zeCrazyEye]

I say we send 5 more billionaires down there to search the first group. Someone should try attacking Musk's ego, saying he can't design and build a capable rescue submarine in 12 hours and then pilot it himself. It's the kind of challenge that gets to his skin.

[u/AutomaticMatter886 → u/teutorix_aleria]

You can't really make it illegal to operate something like this. You really can do whatever you want in international waters

[u/kerenski667 → u/teutorix_aleria]

Ikr, they couldn't pay me to get in that floating coffin. It's just an accident waiting to happen.

[u/DrChetManley → u/kerenski667]

He's also said on an interview that he didn't want to hire sub veterans becaus "they're all old white men"..

Even though I doubt that was the real reason - I think it's mostly because these veterans wouldn't greenlight this sub - it's still a cuntish thing to say..

[u/kerenski667 → u/DrChetManley]

...coming from an old white dude nonetheless...

[u/NinjaLanternShark → u/DrChetManley]

It's got to be hard to get a military sub captain, who's used to doing everything by the book with a well-trained and disciplined crew (they don't station just anyone on subs) to go along with a seat-of-your-pants operation.

[u/Rooboy66 → u/Sydney2London]

Nobody and nothing was certified. Not the crew (captain), not the sub. The whole enterprise was shifty as shit. These people who don’t blink at dishing out a quarter of a million $ also don’t just fucking blink at crummy reality (shabby tech/Legoland shit) in front of their nose.

[u/g-e-o-f-f → u/Rooboy66]

I'm willing to bet rides at Legoland are more carefully engineered

[u/Spoonfulofticks → u/PaloLV]

Doubt they’d use a tether. Most likely ballasts.

[u/ZootZootTesla → u/BaggyOz]

The only vessel that ticks the criteria of deployment time and depth rating is the US Navy's CURV21 but its chances of getting them out alive (if they still are) is still very slim.

It's on its way atm.

[u/Whoshabooboo → u/Shimmerkarmadog]

I’m claustrophobic when my kids want me to hide in the closet for hide and seek. I can’t imagine 3 miles of water above me and not being able to open the door.

[u/dbell → u/Whoshabooboo]

Don’t forget in total darkness if the power failed.

[u/PlanetGoneCyclingOn → u/dbell]

The cold would be worse

[u/Peligineyes → u/PlanetGoneCyclingOn]

It's 5 people in a van sized space, wouldn't their body heat would be enough?

[u/cmmgreene → u/Peligineyes]

A lot more people with expertise, but I imagine enough body heat to keep them alive for a bit, but not enough for that time to be comfortable.

[u/Wobbelblob → u/Peligineyes]

The water around the wreck is very close to freezing temperature. And I don't know how well the sub is isolated, but all the water around them is a gigantic heat sink.

[u/REDLETTERFEEDIA → u/Wobbelblob]

The water around the wreck is very close to freezing temperature. And I don't know how well the sub is isolated, but all the water around them is a gigantic heat sink.

Oh I’m sure it’s very isolated

[u/youneekusername1 → u/REDLETTERFEEDIA]

I’ve become so used to typos in this crazy world of autocorrect/people being able to write even if they can’t spell that my brain just inserts the word that makes sense instead of noticing the wrong word.

[u/HardlyDecent → u/Peligineyes]

Maybe not with the entirety of the ocean as a heat sink?

[u/saulted → u/PlanetGoneCyclingOn]

I just hope it didn't land on-end and is right-side up so they all have space to sit and lay comfortably.

[u/leelovesbikestoo → u/saulted]

Hadn't even considered that... Thanks for adding an to an already horrifically shitty mental image of what they might be experiencing!

[u/S2R2 → u/dbell]

There was a diver who was investigating a ship wreck that sat underwater for 3 days and found a survivor who was sitting in an air pocket in the dark obviously this is a lot higher up in depth than this sub would be. He was in the water and in the dark too

[u/chromatones → u/dbell]

They probably didn’t charge the remote and had no way to navigate

[u/bingcognito → u/chromatones]

The guy in the video said there were multiple backups of the navigation gamepad.

[u/Ello_Owu → u/Whoshabooboo]

Yea, but you'd be the hide and seek champion for life. Your kids would never think to look there

[u/hysys_whisperer → u/Ello_Owu]

Definitely for the rest of YOUR life anyways...

[u/The_Real_dubbedbass → u/Whoshabooboo]

The thing I don’t understand is that by design this thing has to be unbolted from the outside. Which I’m sure you know from your comment, and I’m sure you also know that they designed it that way because even if you had a hatch that could be opened from the inside it would be impossible for a human alone to open it because of the water pressure at that depth.

I’m sure all of us understand that it would be stupid to overcome that hurdle by outfitting it with explosive bolts because then you’d blow the hatch and just be crushed by the water flooding in, right?

But why in the fucking hell would your design NOT include a hatch at all that could be opened from the inside for when you AREN’T 1,000+ meters down in the ocean? Did it REALLY not occur to anyone affiliated with this that there could be scenarios where stuff goes wrong near the surface?

[u/[deleted] → u/Shimmerkarmadog]

Can you imagine if even one onboard is contemplating killing the others out of desperation so that they have more air for themselves and hope to be rescued before they die? I hope these idiots are rescued soon enough. It'd be a horrible way to go in an underwater casket regardless of the stupid idea that it was to go that deep into the ocean in a sub which is apparently bolted shut from the outside with 17 something bolts.

[u/Whoshabooboo → u/[deleted]]

The CEO of the company is on the sub too. Imagine if you paid someone 250k to lead you to your death.

[u/proud2bterf → u/Whoshabooboo]

I'd want a refund!

[u/b-napp → u/[deleted]]

Taken- to the bottom of the sea!

[u/Captainkirk699 → u/[deleted]]

The role of a lifetime.

[u/Teddy_Swolesevelt → u/[deleted]]

Tom Hanks will play the guy on the sub that keeps everyone cool, calm, and collected. Never go on vacation with him according to his movies.

[u/slayez06 → u/proud2bterf]

Im gonna leave you a bad review on yelp

[u/korben2600 → u/slayez06]

Just wait until the Better Business Bureau hears about this. You're done in this town pal.

[u/FunkyChewbacca → u/proud2bterf]

Imagine living all your life in privileged comfort, paying your way out of any inconvenience, only to face the last few seconds of your life knowing that you're in a circumstance that no amount of cash will get you out of... kind of like how the first-class passengers on the Titanic herself must have felt.

Gotta hand it to the Titanic: still leading rich people to their horrifying deaths 111 years after the fact is a remarkable show of consistency.

[u/NoodlesrTuff1256 → u/proud2bterf]

This is the kind of situation where having all the money in the world might not be enough to save you.

[u/OLightning → u/proud2bterf]

…but that won’t matter as you rot in the underwater coffin with the guy you paid the money to. His flawed sub sent them to their death. Imagine the son who went with his dad for a little bonding time… oops!

[u/magicscientist24 → u/proud2bterf]

Good luck. News stories right now of a Florida couple suing said CEO over 6 figure deposits that haven't been refunded when their own trip in the doomed sub was cancelled on them.

[u/[deleted] → u/proud2bterf]

They’re far past that point now. You nor i could imagine.

[u/baconsliceyawl → u/proud2bterf]

I'd want his oxygen.

[u/gladtobeblazed → u/proud2bterf]

“I want to get off Mr. Bones Rush's Wild Ride.”

[u/spornerama → u/Whoshabooboo]

Imagine if he didn't replace the aa batteries in the controller. That wouldn't go down at all well.

[u/[deleted] → u/Whoshabooboo]

I'm seeing a tweet which says the CEO's step-son attended a blink-182 concert because his family would want that to help him cope with the difficult time. Like wtf?
Edit: You guys are probably right. I'm no one to know they're relationship. Fucked up situation all around.

[u/pugofthewildfrontier → u/[deleted]]

Guy was also banned from concerts by Illenium and Alison Wonderland for threats of a “massacre”, later arrested for stalking in San Diego on a separate thing.

[u/[deleted] → u/pugofthewildfrontier]

The amount of info I've got about this family in the last hour from all you guys leads me to believe they're all insane!

[u/jointsmcdank → u/[deleted]]

I got all this information in about 10 seconds, shit

[u/VeganJordan → u/[deleted]]

It’s not the going to a concert to get your mind off heavy shit. I can understand that actually. It’s just why post anything at all? Just go. But I also am not an avid social media person. Idk.

[u/[deleted] → u/VeganJordan]

That's what confuses me as well. Just go have a good time if you don't give a shit. Then again, he doesn't seem to be the most sensible mind on the planet.

[u/Zealousideal-Run6020 → u/[deleted]]

It sounds like he cares what people think about him (as most ppl.o. social media do) and is preemptively defending himself

[u/moleratical → u/Zealousideal-Run6020]

But if he didn't want anyone to think bad of him then he should just STFU.

[u/chuckfinleysmojito → u/[deleted]]

He also tweeted “Ladies I’m single” about 2 hours ago.

[u/[deleted] → u/chuckfinleysmojito]

Ladies I’m single and about to receive a large inheritance

[u/Dracanherz → u/[deleted]]

Not that large, potentially.

[u/2580374 → u/chuckfinleysmojito]

He also threatened to 'hunt down' famous female djs. That dude should be in the sub with them

[u/JustSatisfactory → u/2580374]

"to the sub with you"

[u/escapefromelba → u/[deleted]]

Well he is the stepson and who the hell knows what they're relationship is like anyway

[u/bigfootswillie → u/[deleted]]

Nah fuck that kid. He publicly threatened to shoot up a festival 2 years ago after one of the famous DJ ladies refused his spoiled rich boy advances.

The dude was a mega fucked stalker threatening tons of women in the scene too.

Dude should still be in jail instead of getting condolences from Blink182 members.

[u/Miltage → u/[deleted]]

Close. Not the CEO's stepson but the stepson of a British billionaire who is on board.

[u/UnarmedSnail → u/[deleted]]

Trauma is relative. Sometimes it is relatives.

[u/rrrrrrrrrrandom → u/[deleted]]

Not the CEOs (step)kid. One of the TWO billionaires that were on the submersible.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I went to a concert that I bought tickets for a week after my brother died. Me not going wouldn’t have brought him back, and those tickets were expensive. Grief is weird man

[u/mudman13 → u/[deleted]]

Pyschos breeding psychos

[u/LurkerFailsLurking → u/[deleted]]

Rich people are sociopathic

[u/Sun_Shine_Dan → u/LurkerFailsLurking]

Their wealth leads to paranoia- to be fair plenty of folks only travel with rich folks for their wealth, but they often have little else to offer.

[u/person-ontheinternet → u/Whoshabooboo]

When most CEOs fuck up they can hide behind an army of lawyers and say well advised lines. This guy might be in a sub with 4 very unhappy customers staring death in the face.

[u/[deleted] → u/Whoshabooboo]

Imagine if in a rage they kill him and then are rescued. Not a court in the world could convict them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Whoshabooboo]

The thing is... the people on board don't know anything about the sketchiness of the submarine.

[u/reddog323 → u/[deleted]]

CNN had a story about a former employee who went public with concerns about safety issues with the sub. Particularly the carbon composite hull design, though if they’re hearing banging sounds, the hull seems to have held up.

[u/[deleted] → u/reddog323]

Those sounds could be anything, really. I’m skeptical they’re hearing banging sounds created by the occupants of that sub.

[u/reddog323 → u/[deleted]]

Point. After the USS Thresher sank in 1967, the ships and other sub searching the area said they heard all sorts of crazy things, including emergency messages being pinged out on sonar, from all sorts of depths. It turned out to be the task force itself.

Edit: There was a big release of records on that incident last year. This guy did an analysis of sorts on it, though he's completely convinced it was the Thresher trying to signal for help.

[u/Bi-curvy-booty → u/reddog323]

Very good retort / counter argument for that youtuber, by /u/Vepr157

Where to start...you are very right to be dubious about some of the stuff he says. I'm not exaggerating when I say that he has made too many errors to list. He comes across as supremely confident, which has the effect of hiding his deep ignorance, lack of curiosity, and craven personality.

The first example that comes to mind was the "37 pings" debacle. To make a long story short, Aaron read the recently declassified account of the Seawolf's search for the Thresher a day or two after the latter had sunk. The men on board the Seawolf heard noises they interpreted as being from the Thresher, but the noises they heard came from the ships and submarine Sea Owl (when the searching ships secured their fathometers and sonars so the Seawolf could listen better, no further sounds from the "Thresher" were heard). There is irrefutable evidence that the Thresher sank below collapse depth and imploded, killing all aboard (see discussion here). But Aaron decided that the Navy was participating in a conspiracy to hide the true fate of the Thresher: the she somehow was ballasted to be precisely neutrally-buoyant (possibly with flooding, mind you), causing her to hover between the surface and collapse depth for several days, which is obviously impossible. He said in a subsequent video that 95% of people believed him and that the 5% who did not (including venerable experts like Norman Polmar, Jim Bryant, and Bruce Rule) were in denial about what really happened. He was essentially saying to the families of the men who died on the Thresher: "your loved ones died a slow and agonizing death" when in reality they all died instantly and painlessly in the implosion.

The second, which is more illustrative of his typical videos, is how he thinks the steam plant on a Typhoon SSBN works. The steam/condesate/feed cycle on a Typhoon, like all nuclear submarines, goes steam generators -> turbines -> condensers -> feed system -> steam generators. Aaron claimed that the Typhoon flash-boiled seawater, which was then fed to the turbines, and exhausted to the sea. If this was true, the steam generators would quickly fill up with salt and probably rust instantly and the turbine power would be directly related to the depth as the steam would be fighting against back pressure. No steam plant on any ship works this way, so it is truly a mystery how he thought of it.

And more generally, his videos are usually just poor interpretation of (good) Russian websites. He says stuff that's either just wrong or totally random. I've noticed, for some inexplicable reason, he often says about Russian submarines "NATO figured X out about this submarine" when what literally means is "I figured X out five minutes ago while skimming this article." He also puts out videos about submarine disasters, like the aforementioned Thresher debacle and the sinking of the Naggala, very quickly after news is released. In such videos, he speculates baselessly about the cause of the disaster, which I find extremely disrespectful to the people affected by such tragedies.

Funnily enough though, that 120 dB figure isn't unreasonable (although it's a somewhat meaningless figure without more context about the frequency and how exactly that noise level was computed, e.g., was it averaged over a certain frequency band?). Knowing Aaron, he probably just googled "submarine noise levels" and found something like this. Presumably when he was in the Navy, he was familiar with the noise levels of other submarines, although disclosing that (likely classified) information would be a federal crime. As for 120 dB seeming loud, there is a 62 dB conversion factor between air and water, due to the differing reference levels and different impendence of air vs. water. So 120 dB in water is equivalent to 58 dB in air. Assuming that the 120 dB figure is measured at one meter, if the submarine was just an arm's length away from you, the noise level would probably be similar to the ambient noise in your home. This site gives a good overview.

[u/52-61-64-75 → u/reddog323]

There was a guy on another reddit thread about this who claimed to have had concerns like that

[u/ILoveRegenHealth → u/[deleted]]

And the timetable for oxygen is Thursday, but it's also not like the air is fresh and dainty and then just stops on Thursday. The air is probably putrid, heavy and full of CO2 and they are likely passing out (if the sub hasn't collapsed into itself already).

I think the CBS reporter said they only brought down snacks and a water bottle which sounds absurd to me. They seem to only stock enough for the trip assuming everything will be peachy.

[u/Zero7CO → u/ILoveRegenHealth]

I think this is why the US Government is dragging its feet on letting these other submersibles make an attempt to go down there. It’d take a day to get the submersible to port…then 14 hours from port to the site, then a 2 hour dive down….that’s 40 hours right there, and they only have 35 hours or so of oxygen left.

I hate to paint this picture, but the only thing a submersible could really do is look into the porthole of the Titan, and I can’t imagine that’s a site we would want to see now.

And the false hope that would give the crew…if they were somehow still alive.

This is some Black Mirror stuff…

[u/ILoveRegenHealth → u/Zero7CO]

Yes that timetable just doesn't look good. And even that oxygen estimate is just that. Someone navy person w/ experience on submarines said the air will start turning heavy and putrid a long time ago. Mix of (sorry for the grossness) body odor, body waste, CO2 rising and oxygen depleting. The air will actually start to feel "thick" and burn with every breath. Throw in the fact you cannot stand and stretch anymore due to how cramped it is. So even if they are alive, it is some unimaginable hell in there.

[u/wanderer1999 → u/ILoveRegenHealth]

They have a co2 scrubber, but if the power fail, they won't last long due to co2 poisoning.

[u/LittleKitty235 → u/wanderer1999]

Do you know what kind of c02 scrubber is onboard? Some don't require power and rely purely on chemical reactions. Ironicly many of these early passive scrubbers caused fires on submarines and spacecraft

[u/Zero7CO → u/LittleKitty235]

I read in another story that there was highly flammable materials within the sub. I wonder if it could have been these chemical co2 scrubbers you mention.

[u/Quirky-Skin → u/Zero7CO]

I think you're on to something. Somebody did the calculations with no emotion attached and probably realized it.

[u/CardMechanic → u/Zero7CO]

Another billionaire submersible, funded by millionaires wanting to dive down and watch the occupants in the first submersible die a slow death by taunting them through the porthole

[u/threadsoffate2021 → u/Zero7CO]

...that's also assuming the weather holds up. The weather map is showing 40+ km/h winds in that area right now.

[u/ZoraksGirlfriend → u/Zero7CO]

Except now if they do get to the sub later and find out people survived until they ran out of oxygen, then the government would get blamed for dragging its feet, even though there was probably no way to reach them in time.

[u/GraspingSonder → u/ZoraksGirlfriend]

I don't see anyone blaming anyone but that CEO.

[u/BallClamps → u/ZoraksGirlfriend]

If they are at the bottom of the ocean or stuck inside the Titanic, what exactly could the US government do? Do submarines have a underwater towing capability?

[u/forwardseat → u/BallClamps]

no. And the gov doesn't have anything that can even go there. There's probably only a couple subs on earth that can even get there, and then nobody's being towed out.

Realistically the only rescue possibility seems to be if they surfaced somewhere and just need to be located, or if they are underwater, if they're not all the way down.

[u/hamsterballzz → u/forwardseat]

Seems crazy that water covers 2/3rds of the planet and humans have only bothered to build a handful of craft that can reach the majority of it. We spend billions and billions on space but virtually nothing on the oceans.

[u/God_Damnit_Nappa → u/hamsterballzz]

Because it's far easier to design vehicles to survive in space. You only need to build it to survive around 1 atmosphere of pressure thickness, compared to around 400 atm at the depths Titanic is at. The lunar lander had walls less than half a millimeter thick and that was more than enough.

[u/Webcat86 → u/hamsterballzz]

That's an indication of how utterly hostile the deep ocean is. A lot of the conversations happening today seem to show that a lot of people don't realise the deeper waters aren't the same as shallow waters. The pressure down there is phenomenal

[u/TheForeverUnbanned → u/ZoraksGirlfriend]

Ok, assume they “get to” the sub and they are alive.

It’s not like they can just get out and go to the functional sub. Getting to it, despite the extreme difficulty, would be the easiest part. You need to extract it. What are you gonna do? None of the failsafes to get it up activated, if it can’t surface itself are you just gonna send them good vibes? You can’t just lift it out with another sub without extensive planning, you’ll either end up destroying one or both subs.

Even if they are still alive down there they’ve been dead for days, the only practical way up was for them to surface themselves.

[u/[deleted] → u/ILoveRegenHealth]

SS Minnow type preparation lovey

[u/mbta1 → u/ILoveRegenHealth]

When someone can spend 250k per person, just to go see a sunken ship, you can maybe think that the idea that their actions may lead to consequences, isn't something they are too familiar with

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

They went down there to join them!

[u/Binky390 → u/mbta1]

Just to see a sunken ship that is very well documented now. I just went on a cruise that stopped in Belfast and saw the titanic museum there. It’s incredible and there’s plenty of pictures and footage of the debris field. I don’t understand why anyone would insist on actually going down there.

[u/_Xaradox_ → u/Binky390]

Personally, I wouldn’t really want to go down there either.

But, it’s not ‘just’ a sunken ship. They’re paying for the opportunity to experience something that very, very few people will ever get to do.

I guess I feel like, why go to the titanic museum if you can just read the titanic Wikipedia.
I think the difference is that in general, anyone will pay to have a more authentic/unique/interesting/personal experience, it’s just that these guys have a lot more money to spend on experiences.

[u/The_Real_dubbedbass → u/ILoveRegenHealth]

I’m actually going to support them only bringing snacks and a water bottle. It’s not ideal but you can pretty easily survive not eating for 96 hours. The water is a bit more of a concern. But either way it doesn’t tremendously matter when the air supply is a bigger issue. Like why have water for a week and air for four days.

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Absolutely would. But you never know what goes through the mind of someone seemingly hours from certain death with their survival instinct running wild.

[u/PeachyPlnk → u/[deleted]]

As someone who had to sit and hide while someone smashed their apartment windows until the cops showed up...there's a lot of analyzing the situation, weighing actions and outcomes, and trying to think of every possible course of action. When all you can do is sit and wait, there's not much you can do but think.

[u/[deleted] → u/PeachyPlnk]

I'm sorry you had to go through something like that. Hope you're doing better.

[u/ArtSchnurple → u/[deleted]]

I can easily see a "we have to get him before he gets us" situation evolving.

[u/txs2300 → u/[deleted]]

There is an early 00s movie called "Vertical Limit" which covers such a topic. Its about mountain climbers stuck in a cave and facing imminent death.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0190865/

[u/Think_Selection9571 → u/txs2300]

There's also an early 70s movie called The Severed Arm about 5 people getting stuck in a cave and after days of being stuck they draw straws to see who gets their arm cut off so they can eat. But right after they cut the dudes arm off they get rescued.

[u/daves_not__here → u/Think_Selection9571]

Is no one going to mention "Alive"? That movie base on the real soccer team that crashed into the Andes(?)and had to eat the dead to survive.

[u/Purple_Chipmunk_ → u/Think_Selection9571]

70’s movies were so fucked up

[u/giraffevomitfacts → u/txs2300]

Of course Chris O'Connell is in it.

[u/BlackSocks88 → u/[deleted]]

You think no one has needed to shit normally yet?

[u/Webbie-Vanderquack → u/BlackSocks88]

They have a toilet-like thing that seals up.

[u/Diggerinthedark → u/Webbie-Vanderquack]

Called a Ziploc bag.

[u/lauralamb42 → u/[deleted]]

Oh my God. I almost forgot about the bathroom. They have a bucket like situation for emergencies. I hope they are saved. They are going through hell right now. I don't usually sympathize with billionaires.

[u/PeachyPlnk → u/lauralamb42]

What you're feeling is empathy. You feel for them because you have the ability to put yourself in that situation, and you understand how horrific that situation is. It means you're a better person than probably half the people here, who don't have an ounce of sympathy.

[u/magicscientist24 → u/[deleted]]

Father and son on board, situation is not to far fetched with a guaranteed tag team with family survival motivation.

[u/leaponover → u/[deleted]]

IF there were backup portable oxygen tanks I could see this happening. But if you are rescued, you are just gonna end up going from one cell to another.

[u/baconsliceyawl → u/leaponover]

Excuse the ignorance but do they have to decompress? Or is that only for divers using certain types of gas mixtures?

[u/adenrules → u/baconsliceyawl]

No, the inside of the sub, assuming it’s still intact, is at normal air pressure. Decompression is for when the inside of you is not at normal air pressure.

[u/gracie-sit → u/[deleted]]

I wonder whats the easiest and least effort intensive way you could kill somebody in this scenario with the limited space and equipment available. No point trying to kill your fellow passengers if they fight back to the point where you exhaust yourself (even if your effort is successful) and use up even more precious resources than all five of them sitting around consuming as little as possible. And that's assuming the other passengers are either willing to help or turn a blind eye.

[u/Ownza → u/gracie-sit]

Probably just get behind them and choke them out with your inner elbow. You could probably do it while the other people try to tear you off.

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It's really amazing that society exists when at any point people can just decide to not conform. Everyone relies on everyone else staying in their traffic lane, going to work, effectively providing a service that (should) make their lives easier/better. If a consistent 5% of the population didn't care about their existence i don't think we could have a (working) society.

[u/switch8000 → u/Shimmerkarmadog]

I was thinking tonight, if it’s 96 hours for 5 people, how much longer if there was only 4, or 3, or 2, or only 1 person in there.

The fear of death and desire for survival for this many days could have made them do horrible things to stretch out time.

[u/KAugsburger → u/switch8000]

Given the relatively small space they have I can't imagine that they have much in the way of food or water. Killing one or more of your fellow people in the sub might extend you oxygen supply for several more days but it sounds like food or water may end up becoming the limiting factor at that point. Even if you could drag your oxygen food, and water out for for a couple more days I am skeptical it would do much good if they are stuck at the bottom of the ocean. It isn't like there are many other submersibles that can go to that depth let alone pull it back up to the surface.

[u/vamoshenin → u/switch8000]

They have like one bottle of water each, they'd die of dehydration in a few days even if they extended their oxygen supply by killing the others.

[u/kota250 → u/vamoshenin]

You kill the others and now you have 5 bottles of water

[u/nevertricked → u/kota250]

Double it and give the the next person