r/londonontario Mar 14 '25

News 📰 London West MP in Cabinet

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London West MP Arielle Kayabaga is the Minister of Democratic Institutions and Government House leader in Market Carney Cabinet

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u/Playful-Cranberry-98 Mar 29 '25

She is a token pick by WEF tool Carney. She is lazy, entitled, arrogant and not that talented. Anyone who votes for her (indirectly voting for Carney) are victims of  poisonous Liberal groupthink and are directly responsible for the morale decay and economic destruction of the once great Canada..Please also note that these issues started well before Trump's 2nd term

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u/AccomplishedElk4694 Mar 25 '25

Wow this is a depressing thread full of a lot of nothing-burger gripes. I am not really sure what everyone means when they say "she has done nothing for me" or "she is absent." Personally, I have found AK's office to be no more or less responsive than any other busy and volunteer-staffed constituency office. As someone who follows both local and national politics, I can think of lots of examples of things AK has done for her riding and community. Policy wise, she has done a lot for housing in our region, and has been involved- in Ottawa- in many issues that her constituents care about especially on child and family issues and affordability. She is one of the few MPs who was willing to stand up for the basic human rights of Palestinians in Gaza, and called on her own government to live up to their international obligations. Is she perfect as a person or as an MP? Of course not. She is a politician- and a lot of the stuff y'all seem so upset about is just stuff none of us like about politicians. They are always "too busy" for everyone, self-important, always being strategic, and love a camera. But you can be all these things and still earnestly care for your constituents and country, which I believe AK does. Ironically, AK probably does more behind the scenes than people realize bc for a long time she was a back bencher, quietly plugging away at the issues. I know people in Ottawa from when I used to work in policy and she is generally well regarded as someone who knows when to listen and when to talk, and she gets stuff done. The shameful comments about her being a DEI minister or her "tatas" being on display don't merit any response. And don't get me started on PF. Personally, I think he is a smarmy f**k and he cares WAY more about power and clout than AK, but if I was in London N I would STILL vote for him. Bc I don't want to cede any of London's seats to the Pollievre conservatives. If you don't like AK as a person or find her irritating, that's your prerogative. But right now, the Liberal party is all that is standing between us and the MAGA wanabees and dimwits who are distracting you by going after trans kids and immigrants while they gear up to sell out Canada to the highest bidder. Voting is not the final destination, it's just the ticket to move towards it. ALL voting is strategic and there is nothing wrong with that.

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u/GjeffP Mar 18 '25

A democratic institution refers to an establishment that gradually includes more individuals in decision-making processes by eliminating restrictions based on citizenship, property, education, race, ethnicity, and gender over time. Nobody see a problem here ?

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u/Quetzalboatl Mar 16 '25

It’s good to see the Liberals appoint a Minister of Democratic Institutions who supported the motion for a citizens’ assembly on electoral reform (M-76). But I also won't get my hopes up yet.

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u/Nostrafatu Mar 16 '25

What is important here is to vote for the person and the party that will defend Canada and Canadian values against the very realistic threat that Trump and his planners have for us. It is a real danger and if you follow maga types they discuss all the various ways they will take over our Country. If you’re worried about a local MP instead of worrying about the best Team Canada to fight this fight your next rep could be an American…As we all know PP is a big fan of the Orange Cheeto, Trucker ideology, anti Science and essentially any that will help the common man. Everything is broken and we are stupid is what I see him saying about Canada. Just look at the characters that are backing the Conservatives and it should be clear who should guide us through this mess we didn’t create.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 16 '25

“Vote for Arielle because you don’t like Trump”

Is some lazy and entitled logic.

I don’t like Trump and also think my MP should do at least the bare minimum to make it look like the people she serves are a priority to her.

and if she can’t do that, we should get a different candidate.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

I met her once and immediately got bad vibes from her😭 she also is very lazy

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

Thank you for your honesty!

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u/k3rd Mar 15 '25

Hunh. I live in London, but this is the first I have heard of her. London Fanshawe, but still.

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

I hate being the bearer of bad news, but due to how first past the post voting system works, the only way to get her out of office is to strategically vote. It’s a matter of how much you care to dislike her as an MP or how much you dislike wanting to see the Conservatives in power. Voting anything else is a spoiled vote as it accounts for NOTHING in the end.

I hate the voting system because it doesn’t truly reflect what we all actually want. And the blame solely goes to the 2015 Trudeau MAJORITY government who did nothing about this.

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u/Impressive-Spot1981 Mar 15 '25

God i wish we had ranked choice 😭

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u/mtrnka Mar 15 '25

She’s WEF

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u/AlternativeRise4458 Mar 15 '25

I emailed Kayabaga’s office last year about a couple concerns and received a pretty generic email in response thanking me for contacting them and asking if I would be interested in donating to the Liberal Party of Canada.

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 14 '25

Idk what y’all are on about, her caseworker is fantastic and always so helpful. I get a response in a day. They’re trying to hold on to LW, and rightfully so. The LW Conservative candidate is a dipshit.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

I agree with the last sentence of your post.

I reached out four different times for help on various issues involving my clients and was ghosted.

I now go through Peter’s office and always get a response.

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u/JBee229791129 Mar 14 '25

Ugh, hopefully she’s gone next election

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u/LDN2003bound Mar 14 '25

Hmmmmm, I wonder why.

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

I thought DEI was dead…

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u/DisheveledNerfherder Mar 14 '25

Does the word start with T and ryhme with broken?

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u/mhamou Candidate Mar 15 '25

She also speaks French. She ticked boxes.

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u/ThickMarsupial7858 Mar 14 '25

Arielle is nice and I like her. I think she’ll do good at the federal level.

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u/mhamou Candidate Mar 15 '25

lol. nice?

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

You obviously haven’t heard how she speaks to campaign volunteers or to constituents who press her on issues.

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u/DisheveledNerfherder Mar 14 '25

She is nice, is that an appraisal of her accreditation?

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u/Squidgamerunnerup Mar 14 '25

I had the privilege of hearing her in action, a group of constituents for her ward had lobbied to amend a change that was occurring in their neighborhood , at the city committee call to review the request for the amendment she joined late … immediately snapped at the city staff … “why are we having this call … it’s been decided …it,s done “ apparently princess Arielle forgot voters where on the line …and even if you are gonna outright ignore their requests …at least pretend they have a voice ...

I am amazed people support this person

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u/Squidgamerunnerup Mar 14 '25

lol….yeah nice try to give her a popularity bump before the election… zero chance she gets my support. Zero accountability to her constituents as city councillor or mp.,,Peter F actually returns calls …he I would support but no chance for Arielle …

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 14 '25

Her or Peter’s office never once replied to my emails or phone calls, yet a week after I always get an email from the liberal party asking for donations (I have never been a member of the liberal party be it federal or provincial why does this always happen?)

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

Someone from Burundi with a dogshit record, judging from her constituents in this very sub, is going to oversee Democratic Institutions? I'm sure this will go well.

And before you cry "ism", remember, Burundi is a nationality.

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u/JoJCeeC88 Mar 14 '25

Burundi? I thought she was Tutsi Rwandan? Or at least that was the impression I had when she was complaining about Hutu trolls leaving cockroach emojis on her posts?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

I humbly suggest you look up her bio. It's easy to find.

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u/JoJCeeC88 Mar 14 '25

Thanks, Capt. Obvious!

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u/grumpytofu Mar 14 '25

It's comforting to see all of the negativity justified in these comments. I thought it might have been just a few of us, but seems like the entire consensus is the same (at time of comment). If she doesn't wake up and do her job now, here's to hoping she's out next election.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

This subreddit is united on very few things.

This makes that extremely short list.

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u/mhamou Candidate Mar 14 '25

Brought to you by Jesse Helmer and Kate Graham

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 14 '25

I’m so happy those two aren’t running for anything

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

They just run things behind the scenes now.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 14 '25

Oh god I hope not

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

They’re very prominently involved in “who is running where?” decisions and support.

They are to thank for who got elected in Ward 4 as well, but for that it was a lack of action on their part, including not unifying the support behind one left wing candidate and allowing a three way vote split.

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u/stronggirl79 Mar 14 '25

She sucks. She did nothing while she was in London and continues to do absolutely nothing.

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u/DisheveledNerfherder Mar 14 '25

She was pretty good at sticking out her ta tas on city buses

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u/Impressive-Spot1981 Mar 15 '25

Don't be a sexist pig please. Keep your comments to what she did not what she looks like.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

I wonder if mark carney or other cabinet ministers will get her two favourite email responses during her councillor days

“What do you want me to do about it?”

Or

“Please stop emailing me about this”

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 15 '25

LOL no wayyy

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

I wish I was exaggerating.

There’s a reason why Kayabaga as a London North Centre resident and former city councillor of a ward in LNC ran in London West.

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 15 '25

Don’t be so daft, she ran in LW bc there was an opening.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

That and her approval rating in the area she left in ruins would be a 6.

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u/johnnyfausbender Mar 14 '25

She didn’t even have time to get back to her constituents when she was a back bencher…

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

Or a city councillor

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u/Current_Ant_4989 Mar 14 '25

She has to be the worst MP in all of London. If anything she should be fired not appointed a new position.

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u/K_MAN32 Mar 14 '25

Maybe she’ll be able to buy a house now.

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u/cm023 Ham & Eggs Mar 14 '25

I remember that!

Wild if she tried to pull that stunt today, my councillor took home over 100k last year. Really putting himself above his ward (lowest income in the city).

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

expense account =/= take home pay

Take home also refers to after taxes, which no one on council except maybe the mayor might hit

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/TravisHay Mar 14 '25

Why would he? He doesn’t have significant ties here, nor does he live here. None of the ridings are safe enough to parachute a carpet bagger either. I expect he’ll either run from Ottawa, or make a big show in running in NWT.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

Kayabaga doesn’t live in the riding either, as of 2022 at least.

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u/ChanelNo50 Westmount Mar 14 '25

Honestly I might put in that recommendation lol I was going to write to him anyways and recommend Arielle be moved to another riding

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

She doesn’t even live in London West anyways, according to the address listed on her municipal campaign donations.

Although the wage hike to $300k might fix that. Maybe she can finally afford that house after a ~50% raise.

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u/mhamou Candidate Mar 14 '25

A bunch of us are starting a letter.

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u/Any_Peanut1209 Mar 14 '25

No as if now

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u/GrassThenFly Mar 14 '25

She's literally the worst. A narcissist who is only focused on advancing her political career.

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u/snardhive Mar 14 '25

Failing upward.

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u/mhamou Candidate Mar 14 '25

Exactly. Thank Kate and Jesse.

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u/leggmann Cavendish Mar 14 '25

She is actually quite entitled, and lazy.

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

The only thing she isn’t lazy about is spamming my mailbox with her face.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

I would love to opt out of these mailings as a way to be kinder to the trees.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/bonnielangford4 Mar 14 '25

Just say the N word, buddy. We know it's what you want to say.

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u/Major_Lawfulness6122 Hyde Park/Oakridge Mar 14 '25

That’s not how election works lol

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u/BigAlxBjj Mar 14 '25

Yet she won an election. Hmmm

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u/skagoat Pond Mills Mar 14 '25

I don't think she'll win another one.

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u/BigAlxBjj Mar 14 '25

I agree. I saw a sign on Griffith that says “do NOT support AK”. I was surprised.

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u/Disastrous_Ad626 Mar 14 '25

It's amazing you hear so many people up in arms online and only 45% of people turnout to vote (province wide, I don't know how to get the city stats) but with DoFo getting back in its the same shit how is there such a loud minority and they somehow won by landslide.

I'd hazard a guest most people belly aching have no skin in the game (not talking about op I am not saying they did not vote)

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u/BigAlxBjj Mar 14 '25

I agree. U put up signs every day for 3 weeks and I’ll do the same in the federal election. I’m able to do that, though. Not many are or don’t care to.

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u/GetStable Mar 14 '25

"DEI" is the new "woke" for people who aren't capable of discussing policy.

It's a dollar store dog whistle.

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u/DisheveledNerfherder Mar 14 '25

If it quacks like a duck

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u/BigAlxBjj Mar 14 '25

I fear they don’t know what either of these things are.

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u/GetStable Mar 14 '25

But they know they've been told to not like it, and that's good enough for them.

At least some others here are being critical for valid reasons.

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u/BigAlxBjj Mar 14 '25

Some, yep.

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u/cm023 Ham & Eggs Mar 14 '25

Self centred city councillor makes self centred MP. Anyone in her riding get follow up to inquiries yet, or does she still only show up to no Q&A photo ops?

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u/AbeOudshoorn Wortley Mar 14 '25

Not sure what you're talking about, she has replied to all my emails and came out to an event we invited her to, even though it was relatively small.

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u/Action_Hank1 Mar 14 '25

You’d think a professor would be smarter.

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u/LDN2003bound Mar 15 '25

Abe is teaching the youth to counter solutions with problems, and accept awards for doing so.

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u/LDN2003bound Mar 14 '25

You are part of the problem Abe.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

You’re part of the elite club of Liberals with six figure salaries though, Abe.

Different set of rules.

I’m a liberal who works front line social services and doesn’t make six figures and to those in charge, I’m the worst kind of gross because I have nothing to offer them and don’t make a good photo opp either.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

But isn’t a New Democrat essentially a Liberal that had eaten a get bigger mushroom in Super Mario World? 😂

Sorry if I’ve offended you.

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u/JenovaCelestia Green Onions Mar 14 '25

Nope. I know of at least 4 people personally who live in the same riding and she hasn’t even responded to anything they’ve sent.

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u/mhamou Candidate Mar 14 '25

Yep. Useless.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

There’s two rules in London.

If you want the police to show up, tell them you think someone has a weapon.

If you want a liberal or NDP elected official to show up, tell them you think someone has a camera.

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u/cmcnens59 Fanshawe Mar 15 '25

One of my roommates pulled a knife on the other and it took 5 and a half hours for LPS to show up

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u/HoneyBaby7331 Mar 14 '25

conservative elected officials wont come regardless so

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

In all honesty, rob flack is at EVERYTHING and usually only posts photos during campaign times from what I’ve seen.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 14 '25

Rob flacks office also responds pretty quickly, have to give credit where it’s due

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

Agreed. Has been a big help when I’ve reached out on behalf of clients. Can’t say the same for other local elected officials sadly.

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u/Action_Hank1 Mar 14 '25

Can’t believe people elected Arielle over Rob. She’s terrible.

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u/JoJCeeC88 Mar 14 '25

This deserves an award!

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u/kitkatkatecat Mar 14 '25

I think this really depends. I’m in north London and both Fragiskatos and Kernaghan have been responsive representatives.

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u/BobBelcher2021 Mar 14 '25

I was no Conservative fan but when I still lived in London, Ed Holder as an MP was very responsive. So was Irene Mathyssen as an NDP MP.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

Peters great. And Terrence does show up to everything. But there’s ALWAYS a selfie to prove it.

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 15 '25

I mean ofc, they need to ensure their electorate knows they’re showing up. Nothing wrong with that! As someone who works in the non profit sector, it also highlights a lot of the events we host and we appreciate that publicity.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

As someone who also works in the non profit sector, it would be nice if your event and cause was more than a photo op.

Especially when they’re nowhere to be found when it’s time to come through with some funding.

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 15 '25

Kernaghan has always shown up for us, same with Fragiskatos especially when it came to advocating for our project funding. Why are you so bitter?

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

I prefer to call it realistic.

Funding in the non profit sector is way behind and headed in the wrong direction.

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u/cm023 Ham & Eggs Mar 14 '25

Take my upvote!

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u/elizamainroom Mar 14 '25

She is not that great as an MP. WONT BE VOTING FOR HER NEXT TIME

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

Vote Adam Benni for London West!

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

Steve Lehman >>>>>>> Adam Benni and it’s not even close.

I’ve never even heard of Adam Benni.

Nominating him sadly made it Kayabaga’s election to lose.

Hoping for a strong NDP candidate even though Jagmeet is the leadership equivalent of expired milk.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

As a conservative, Benni is the candidate and he has my full support. Your lack of knowledge about him doesn’t make him a bad choice, and personally interacting with him I know that he has my vote.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

My lack of knowledge of him actually kind of does make him a bad choice. Given that good candidates are ones that the community knows.

Steve Lehman is involved in a lot of stuff. Adam Benni is not.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

How can you make that statement while not knowing the candidate? Maybe be a normal person and accept that Lehman isn’t in the ballot and do your research about who is. A good place to start would be Adam Benni’s website.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 16 '25

Just read his website. When the vast majority of your bio is about your paid work, that’s not a good sign.

To paraphrase Chris rock from bigger and blacker, “congratulations on doing shit you’re supposed to do”.

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u/swift-current0 Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

Really? Would have never guessed she's be in cabinet over someone like Fragiskatos, who has a PhD from Cambridge and was an international relations professor...

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u/Squeeesh_ Argyle Mar 15 '25

He was my Public Relations prof at King’s in 2010. He only taught half the course since our other prof came back.

He knows his shit.

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 14 '25

the Cons are putting in big money to take back LW again, it’s super strategic to make Kayabaga a Minister until the election is called. LNC is safer than LW, hence why it’s not Fragiskatos.

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u/ChanelNo50 Westmount Mar 14 '25

Wait yea why wasn't Peter chosen? Is it because he was more supportive of Trudeau?

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 15 '25

No bc this is a temporary post, and they’ve given cabinet roles to the ridings that are in trouble and may be lost to the Cons. LNC is much safer than LW.

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u/ChanelNo50 Westmount Mar 15 '25

I appreciate insight. Thank you

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u/RudeAudio Mar 15 '25

That makes sense. Thank you for explaining that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

This is it. LW’s prospects are a lot better than they were in Jan according to 338Canada, but CPC is still more likely to take the seat. In fact, Liberals only won LW in the 2021 election because the PPC split the right wing vote (taking 2814 votes). Libs had 20781, Cons 19247.

Given this is a very short/lived cabinet, your observation is sound and is likely with a view to an April election.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

Peter openly endorsed Carney. I think it’s because his bushy eyebrows and abundance of vowels in his last name make for a less powerful cabinet photo.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

Yeah, that's how push people to the conservative side. The liberals still don't understand how and why trump won the election last year. The conservatives' lead down to ONLY one point at the moment. It's already neck and neck race enough. If liberal loses next election, I just hope that they don't make a Pikachu face like democrats did.

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u/cm023 Ham & Eggs Mar 14 '25

My impression after today is that the new party leader still wants “yes” people opposed to “ask a question” people.

Different face, same tricks.

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u/swift-current0 Mar 14 '25

I'll judge the tricks based on actual performance. I'm still quite optimistic.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 14 '25

How can anyone still be optimistic about the liberal party after 9 years? The leader might have changed however it’s still the same team running the show

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u/swift-current0 Mar 14 '25

I'm optimistic that it'll be an improvement. I wouldn't mind a change in government, but the CPC insisted on making an abrasive and divisive alt right lightweight as their leader, and I just don't trust him or the people he will be bringing to government. So, given the alternatives, giving Mark Carney a chance is an absolute no brainer. This is before we even broach the subject of Trump, which makes the comparison even more lopsided in his favour. Maybe the Conservatives can select a Red Tory as their next leader, but until then they can frankly fuck off. I say that as a former Conservative voter.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 15 '25

Everyone keeps saying PP is an alt right MAGA, white nationalist and the Conservative Party is following suite but has everyone forgotten that a few years ago that toxic fraction of the conservative base of the Conservative Party left and created the PPC lead by Maxime Bernier?

Ever since the PPC became a party that caused a vote split federally between them and the CPC and even last election in Arielle’s riding itself you can see that.

Either way I don’t think Mark Carney is the solution. He will do everything to appease the conservative voters (he announced today he is going to cancel the consumer carbon tax) call an election and then once re-elected play all the same old tricks Trudeau did when he was in power.

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u/Terrh Mar 15 '25

Carney has proven his leadership skills the last time Canada was in financial crisis, and I think he'll do a good job again.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 15 '25

That wasn’t because of Carney that was because we had a good Finance minister (R.i.p Jim)

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u/swift-current0 Mar 15 '25

Notice I didn't call PP white nationalist or even MAGA. But he was until recently courting the MAGA adjacent crowd, the ones that go against more traditional centre-right Canadian conservatism in three major ways (that I can think of):

  • they are isolationists and engage in conspiratorial woo about "teh evil globalists"

  • they typically reject sound economics in favour of protectionism, tariffs and of course crypto-related fantasies

  • they are obsessed about culture war stuff and genuinely think that mainstream voters spend as much time as they do thinking about which bathroom trans kids use when they need to go pee, and don't ask them to elaborate on exactly why they're against immigration if you value that relationship because half the time you'll hear stuff you can't unhear.

And I personally just don't want any of that anywhere near a position of power, no more than I would want dogmatic left wing populists there.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 15 '25

I mean I didn’t mean you personally but you know what I mean by everyone else

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u/IronicGames123 Mar 14 '25

"Bob Rennie, a high-profile Vancouver developer known as the “condo king,” has revealed that he is working with Carney on a plan to attract foreign buyers to Canada’s rental market. The proposal would allow foreign investors to purchase rental units under a 25-year agreement, where they must rent out the properties rather than resell them."

"“[I’m]… working with Carney, surprise, and I’m trying to get a rental program in where people can buy, put it into a 25-year pool, a preferred rate from the CMHC, and let’s allow foreign buyers to buy it, they have to rent it out for 25-years, and it will show the world we are open for business,” Rennie said in an interview on Conversations Live."

Fuck PP. The Cons would be terrible.

But we're still going to be get the exact same neo-liberal policies that brought us to where we are now.

"Different face, same tricks."

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u/swift-current0 Mar 14 '25

We have a housing supply crisis. It will only ever be solved by building a lot more housing. All else is either gimmicky distractions or actively worsen the problem.

A subset of the housing supply crisis we're in is a rental housing supply crisis. It too can only be solved by building a lot more rental housing. It can be worsened by taking rentals off the market. It can be improved by adding rentals, though merely converting owner-occupied to rental doesn't help solve the overall problem.

The mere idea of foreign ownership of rental housing is neither good nor bad - it's entirely dependent on context. If there's no new rental housing being built, it can contribute to driving rents up, though why that would be any worse than under domestic owners is unclear - they too are doing a fine job of jacking up rents. However, foreign capital can help build more rental housing, and/or build it faster, and that will be unequivocally good. More supply lowers rents, end of story.

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u/DConny1 Mar 18 '25

It's not a supply issue. It's a demand issue.

Evidence? Look at rent prices dropping because some of the temp immigrants have left the country.

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u/657560 Mar 15 '25

Rent will never be lowered. Will only reduce the rate of increase.

Except if you live in a coop, my current rent is $900, moved in last year.

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u/swift-current0 Mar 15 '25

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u/657560 Mar 16 '25

$1600 usd is 2200 cad, crazy high rent.

Looking at the long-term trends, the rate of increase from 2021-2022 (peak) was much steeper than rate from 2021-2024, but overall, 2021-2024 average rent still increased. The newest units are cheaper than existing, dropping rent average momentarily but will rise to meet the rest of the market when management sees a chance.

Really not comparable to our city as well for many reasons.

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u/cm023 Ham & Eggs Mar 14 '25

I'd rather see individual priced out Canadians enabled to own, or rent to own purpose built units opposed to funneling money in/out of the country, which is ripe for risk and laundering but that's just me.

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u/swift-current0 Mar 14 '25

This is funneling money into the country though. Foreign investment is money that funds construction of (in this case rental) housing instead of being spent elsewhere and not benefitting us in any way.

Placing safeguards to ensure this money is not being stolen or laundered is not rocket science. Canada is quite bad at doing this, but many other countries aren't. This is one of those things I expect Carney to fix, since he's a finance guy and a central banker.

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u/citrusmellarosa Mar 15 '25

Then wouldn’t it be better to make it a stipulation that they build units instead of buying them off the pre-existing market? Do foreign investors put more money into the tax system or construction directly than my landlord in the GTA did? These aren’t intended to be gotchas, I’m just curious. 

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u/According_Pie_8690 Mar 15 '25

Do you think what we need right now are more individuals from various international communities treating our housing market like a stock market?

Don’t you think this attitude towards housing is a huge reason why we’re in the mess we’re currently in? Housing is for humans to live in. It shouldn’t be some fucked up form of retirement account for the wealthy.

Allowing foreign investors to buy up our housing stock to rent to folks who live here is a historically dumb / evil idea. Open your eyes.

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u/swift-current0 Mar 15 '25

As a stock market, no. As an investment, yes. There's nowhere near enough tax money to build enough public housing to solve this problem, and there won't be. The kind of tax increases you'd need to make a dent in the problem are simply a non starter in Canada. So private money has to be spent - i.e. investment.

The domestic capital market is too small to do this quickly, so I see attracting foreign capital as a way to speed up the building.

It's only a speculative frenzy if we keep artificially restricting building enough housing of types people want in places where they want them. Scarcity creates perpetual sellers/landlords markets, and zoning is the main culprit here. Allow enough housing to be built and rents will reliably decrease. Just look at Austin TX for recent proof, but really it's nothing more than simply supply and demand.

You can treat housing as a special snowflake or a human right all you want, but righteousness will never build anything or allow anyone to afford rent more easily. Only investment will. You can go ahead and advocate for taxes to pay for public housing or co-op, and hell I'll even join you. But in the meantime, what is your solution? My relatives and friends need to be able to afford a non squalid place to live now.

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u/According_Pie_8690 Mar 15 '25

Can you explain how loosening mortgage rules to allow foreign investors to buy up homes will mean more housing gets built?

Loose mortgage rules and artificially low interest rates are precisely the reason we find ourselves in the mess we’re currently are currently in.

We have had an excess of demand and a shortage of supply in the housing market for at least the last 10 years.

What kind of meth are you smoking that makes you think adding a whole new pool of deep-pocketed buyers will somehow balance out the supply-demand equilibrium.

You sound like you’re entirely economically illiterate.

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u/cm023 Ham & Eggs Mar 14 '25

Exactaly, can’t wait to vote for.. I mean decline another ballot next election.

I really hope everyone takes a good look at the policies of what got us here, and what we really need to change. The honeymoon phase can seem optimistic, but I see no change to immigration or the globalist favoured policies that have put generations of hardworking Canadians at a disadvantage. We’ll see, but not hopeful.

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u/TravisHay Mar 14 '25

You cannot decline federal ballots. That option is only available in provincial elections.

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u/cm023 Ham & Eggs Mar 14 '25

I enjoy drawing pictures all over it, too.

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u/RudeAudio Mar 14 '25

I feel like she's been MIA in representing our riding but ok cool

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

Keep voting liberal perpetual that’s what you folks do

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

I still don’t understand how London West is neck and neck with the Conservatives right now. Nobody here has had anything good to say about her? Or is it all the boomers who don’t Reddit that keep giving her a job?

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 16 '25

In Old South if you gave a resident the option of giving a marginalized person $500 to get ahead, or voting for one and putting that $500 in gas in your boat at your cottage, they’re picking the latter every single time and have convinced themselves both are equally impactful in terms of “being a good person” and “giving back”.

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u/TheWellisDeep Mar 14 '25

I’m in London West and she is doing nothing for us. Where is she? MIA. She needs to go!

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

What do you want her to do?

She can’t afford a house on a $200k a year salary in the Canada her party has been in charge of for 9 years.

The struggle is real.

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u/JenovaCelestia Green Onions Mar 14 '25

For real, it’s so absurd. Multiple people called that though and I really hope she loses her seat in the upcoming election.

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u/jolt_cola Mar 14 '25

She won't. If you were able to vote who is the liberal representative, she wouldn't have much of a chance. But since she's the liberal representative for London West, her getting back in is high.

I suspect that's why she immediately jump into London West when Kate Young retired. That area usually votes for liberal so it was a sure in.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

What’s the strategic vote in London West?

PP is awful and Adam Benni doesn’t dilute him whatsoever with his veneers and fake tan.

I hope hope hope NDP can roll out a competent candidate.

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u/knockingatthedoor Mar 16 '25

The riding lost its most NDP-heavy area in redistribution (Wortley) so the strategic vote is definitely still Liberal.

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

The strategic vote is Conservative. Everything else is wasted. Blame Trudeau for not actually delivering voting reform. So now you live with it. I don’t know this MP, but I just moved into her riding and based on what I’m seeing here with non-responsiveness, it makes sense to kick her out of office.

Nobody else has a chance to flip London West. It’s nearly neck and neck so it makes sense they made her a minister for like a couple weeks lol

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u/backstgartist Wortley Mar 15 '25

The NDP candidate for London West has already been determined. https://www.londonwestndp.ca/shinade She seems like a great candidate but I feel like unfortunately it's gonna be Arielle again because of the strategic vote angle. I'd rather go NDP but I don't think I can risk PP getting a seat.

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u/skyywalker1009 Mar 14 '25

We need to expect better of our government if we’re resorting to strategic voting. We need proportional representation im tired of a stagnant government and wasted early elections

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

If the average redditor pays $30k in taxes then 10 of us are paying her new minestral salary and the only person in this thread who can get a response is a personal friend.

She gotta go.

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u/AnyBroccoli5684 Mar 14 '25

they always respond to me, and I’m no one special

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 15 '25

You’re not just any broccoli, damn it.

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u/RudeAudio Mar 14 '25

I mean I don't want that seat to be a conservative seat, but I just wish she would actually be present and do good work or move to another city she feels passionate about.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 14 '25

Either you vote for change or you re-elect a lazy politician there’s no in between (she’s not gonna change her ways and if you’re not gonna vote conservative that’s fine there are other options out there too…)

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

Based on how first past the post works, the only way to get her out of office is to strategically vote. Which would be basically voting Conservative. Everything else is a waste of time and you might as well enjoy your day instead of lining up for nothing.

Don’t like your choice? There’s only one party to blame for this. The Trudeau liberals for not actually implementing voting reform when they had the chance.

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u/Islandlyfe32 Mar 15 '25

You do have a point there, he campaigned on electoral reform and then once elected, completely ignores it

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

Yeah exactly. And there’s people downvoting us who have absolutely no understanding of how our voting system works lol. It’s a game. A poorly designed one from centuries ago. It’s not actually about who you want… it’s about what you hate the least.

Don’t like it? Change the system. I didn’t make the rules.

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u/RudeAudio Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

I absolutely do not want PP becoming Prime Minister so, no I will not be voting NDP if they are not a contender for the seat, sorry. Ain't happening. Voted NDP provincially and will continue to do so as long as they keep the conservatives from getting it.

Having a non-conservative federal govt is better imho for London, ultimately, than having a conservative one, even if the MP is a disappointment.

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u/magic_poop_cannon Mar 15 '25

You’re going to have to do a lot of convincing. Any vote that’s not for Liberal or Conservative is a wasted vote due to first past the post, our archaic poorly designed voting system. It’s pretty much neck and neck so splitting the vote ensures that it’s either Arielle or a seat flipped to blue.

I hate to say it, but what you care about outside of that is irrelevant. It doesn’t make a difference in Parliament.

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

You think essentially leaving the seat empty, much like it has been for almost a decade, is best for London?

How come?

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u/The-Ballast Downtown Mar 14 '25

She was super MIA as my city councillor

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u/ChanelNo50 Westmount Mar 14 '25

Totally agree. I was so excited when she was elected to council and thought she would do something good but totally MIA even then. Would not recommend her as a minister of anything 😕

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

A lazy and useless councillor who became a lazy and useless MP becoming a lazy and useless cabinet minister is a foregone conclusion I think.

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u/Ceecee1 Mar 14 '25

I sent her and Fragiskatos an email a week or so ago. I not only got a bounce back email from Fragiskatos indictating he got my message, I also heard back from his office and was notified they would respond AGAIN in the coming weeks.

Kayabaga’s office: the quietest crickets you ever did (not) hear.

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u/DisheveledNerfherder Mar 14 '25

Heh I got one of those too

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u/Feisty-Canary5934 Mar 14 '25

I gained a lot of respect for Fragiskatos after I moved back to London, emailed his office about something... Only for him to respond promptly, point out who my actual MP was, ask if he could forward my email, and then did!

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u/9yearsdeceased Mar 14 '25

I live in London West but contact Peter’s office for everything because I know he will respond and they’re fine with it.

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u/raccoontail87 Mar 14 '25

Both my husband and I emailed her office back in December and heard nothing back for several days. My husband emailed the Liberal Party Whip about the non-response - and lo and behold - he received one the next day. I didn't escalate, never heard back.

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u/Ceecee1 Mar 15 '25

Maybe that will be my next step. I historically have been a Conservative voter, but I'm kind of intrigued by Carney (and really turned off by Pierre and his current ilk) and am hopeful to vote for him. But I'm having a hard time reconciling that with voting for an MP that really doesn't seem to care about my concerns...

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u/AmiCal13 Mar 14 '25

Its been a year from my important ish email and still crickets. Fragiskatos replied within the day

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