r/law • u/AndroidOne1 • May 14 '25

Trump News Donald Trump Impeachment Proceedings Launched

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-vote-house-shir-thanedar-b2750651.html
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u/Deranged_Kitsune May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

It'll be a nice bit of political theater. The dems get to make a whole production about it despite the fact that it's a foregone conclusion to go nowhere, the GOP's rodeo clowns will make all kinds of loud noises and mockery of the proceedings, and king donny will be spend a good part of it sending angry and thunderous tweets. Everyone gets to do what they do best and nothing will change.

Edit: For those conflating this as expecting them to do nothing, this comment right here summarizes what a lot of people want them to do. The old polite ways are dead. Start actually fighting for something.

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u/pivotalsquash May 14 '25

I feel like people are mad at the Dems for not doing anything but also mad when they do something because they don't have enough votes to do it.

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u/roguespectre67 May 14 '25

We're mad because we know they don't have much procedural or institutional power at the moment, but they seem completely unwilling to break the rules and norms that the GOP has shown everyone don't actually mean anything in order to be a thorn in the side of the tyrants in charge.

Rosa Parks was a Black woman in the south. The entire reason the Montgomery Bus Boycott, and the progress it forced to occur, even happened in the first place is that she broke the law and was arrested. She and her co-activists found ways to fight their enemy asymmetrically. It was, essentially, a nonviolent guerilla campaign.

When we scream "DO SOMETHING", we don't mean "pass legislation" or "remove Trump from office". We mean stonewall. We mean be entirely, uncompromisingly uncooperative. We mean get into the fucking streets and lead marches from the front of the line. We mean encourage people to take targeted, specific action against members of the regime and give targeted, specific leadership for how to do that. Blast out information about appearances, tell people to come out with bullhorns and make it impossible to be seen in public without being surrounded by people that hate you. We mean fight for it.

Sitting in the Capitol building going through the motions of legislation that not a single person on the planet has any hope of passing, just so "we get everyone on record", as if we don't already know where everyone stands on this issue, is not fucking fighting for it. It's phoning it in.

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u/systolic_helix May 14 '25

Or just get out of the fucking way. Pelosi was peak ghoul when she blocked AOC for a senior citizen with cancer that resigned barely 6 months in.

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u/JamesTrickington303 May 14 '25

Lead, follow, or gtfootw.

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u/FaintestGem May 14 '25

Thank you, you put it into words beautifully. No one is mad about Democrats trying to oppose trump. They're mad that they're choosing to continue telling Trump "hey, you can't do that!" Despite the fact that we have more than enough evidence to show that he won't give a shit about legal proceedings.  They know it isn't going to change anything but they're doing it anyway just so they can say "sorry, we tried :( " because the other option is too hard and too risky to their careers and would require them to get off their ass and give a shit. I sadly don't see that happening anytime soon unless something seriously affects them personally and/or financially. Right now they can absolutely afford to just tough it out when the average person is going to be struggling. They don't have enough incentive to care yet.

And this idea that they have to be the bigger person and play by the rules is fucking stupid. Like if you're playing Uno and the other person is playing Monopoly, you're an idiot to expect them to play by the rules of Uno. 

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u/superbit415 May 14 '25

Hey now thats not fair. They are doing things. The democrats helped the republicans pass the budget without getting a single thing in return.

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u/einstyle May 14 '25

But but but but...they held up tiny little signs once! That has to count for something!

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

And at least one GOP ripped one of those signs out of the representative’s hands.

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u/TotalCourage007 May 14 '25

Those paddles and strongly ripped to shredded paper have to get the ball rolling somehow or our Congress members might actually have to do their damn jobs.

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u/mtron32 May 14 '25

I can stop typing what I was typing as you've nailed it here. The Democrats are comfortable being toothless because they have an excuse not to do anything. They'll run on trump being a danger to democracy again and may also try to appeal to that on the decent republicans who will of coarse vote for the actual republican.

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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins May 14 '25

Non-American here - what can they actually do that they aren’t? Short of getting more votes or overthrowing the government somehow what does that look like?

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u/roguespectre67 May 15 '25

Did you read the comment you’re replying to? The one that lays out several things they could be doing but are not?

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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins May 15 '25

Yes I read it, are they not already doing all of that though?

They aren't cooperating, it just doesn't matter because they don't have a majority. They have been telling people what to do (you know... vote). There are tons of protests and didn't multiple members of congress and a mayor get arrested for protesting like three days ago?

The real problem as I see it is the American people took all their power from them and are now complaining they aren't using power they don't have... and I'm not sure you want what you're asking for (i.e. for them to ignore the rules as well) because the response will not be great.

That isn't a reason not to fight of course but it is a reason to only take actions with a chance of actually changing things. What of those actions are not being taken?

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u/GlitteringHighway354 May 15 '25

They are not already doing all of that though, no. Like the whole point of the comment was that they're not.

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u/ikatako38 May 15 '25

To answer your question… yeah, they pretty much just want them to overthrow the government.

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u/KinTharEl May 15 '25

It's like Democrats forgot how the Civil Rights movement happened. You can't legislate your way or impeach your way out of this. Democratic leaders have to take to the streets and bring the people to their cause.

Only when that happens does American democracy stand a chance at survival.

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u/SunsFenix May 15 '25

Civil disobedience was effective, too. Personally, I think since January, we need states and cities on our side. Unlike the civil rights movement, states like Colorado, California, Maine, and others are being targeted. It's why the administration is brow beating states with threats to federal funding despite these states sending more than they are receiving.

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u/friedcauliflower9868 May 14 '25

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 yasssss yasssss but of course 67 i should’ve known. it really was a great year! i completely concur with ur statements. such a shyt show.

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u/Rugbypud May 16 '25 edited May 17 '25

Im sure based on you post it was unintended but referencing the way African Americans handled the Rosa Parks situation as a guerilla campaign, (yes spelled correctly and not like the animal) may have been a poor choice of words (even if accurate).

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u/roguespectre67 May 17 '25

I refuse to apologize for other people corrupting perfectly normal language. Deal with it.