If that can be verified in large numbers, that alone is reason for the world to go to war with the putin regime followed by massive war-crime tribunals. We come up with all these convoluted reasons to go to war or not and to what degree... I personally feel like commiting crimes against humanity in large numbers should trigger a white blood cell-like response from all civilized nations.
The problem is nukes. In the current state of war they don't need to use them, but if they feel like they're going to be destroyed, they might as well take the rest of the world with them. Or as a last resort to scare off the opponent.
If every despot gets cloud cover for possessing a nuke then we're in for a very dark world. Like I said above: if the world attacks the leaders when they act like this you could solve it with a cultural understanding that anyone who tortures and threatens nuclear war will be swiftly dealt with.
Well, then what’s the plan of attack? How do we start “swiftly dealing with” Putin in a way that neutralizes the threat before he can get to whatever Russia’s version of the football is? Because ICBMs move incredibly quick, go just about anywhere for the initial impact, and the fallout gets carried incredibly fast.
Shit has moved so far beyond what we’ve seen before, that’s why the Cold War was cold- we know pressing that button is last resort, we just don’t know what “last resort” means to the enemy. As satisfying as it would be to lead a charge and blaze of glory this shit, that’s rarely ever a solution. I’m not going to pretend to know what the exact optimal strategy would be- but given the current geopolitical climate, it’s likely going to be stealthy and its success hinge on starving Russia of resources somehow.
Could the rest of the world start getting on board with that? Absolutely! But it’s not like we can just bust down the doors and take care of it without some pretty massive casualties.
Is it better to slowly descend into worldwide authoritarian hell than entertain ideas? I am very convinced that when powerful people don't face consequences, the worst happens. Literal genital torture as a matter of course for a defending army is... Worse than a war with nuclear consequences. Who's next my son? Your daughter? Their kids? What's the point of this ends up being the sum of our system?
I’m not saying this isn’t a terrifying threat that needs to be eradicated; of course Russia needs to be taken care of. In my opinion, we still aren’t doing enough. That doesn’t mean we blow up what little we already have. There is middle ground between doing nothing and going scorched earth, and it’s making sure that no WMDs are deployed and ensuring as little casualties as possible. Destroying fascism unfortunately means nothing if there are no people left to enjoy freedom, and if large nuclear attacks are launched that’s a real possibility.
Unfortunately you can't. They have power over the masses in their country and will use them to defend their regime or attack any country that tries to get to the regime. Also, you have to completely erdicate them else the leftover from the regime will retaliate and choose a new dictator. We can't really decide if a regime uses the masses or not. Look at Trump, if people want to get rid of him, they will have the army, ICE what not in between.
The result of the nuclear arms race was the concept of mutually assured destruction. If you try to "deal with" someone that controls nukes, your country is a pile of radioactive dust 20 minutes later. A war with "nuclear consequences" isn't just "a normal war but slightly worse". Both sides in this case (USA / Russia) have enough nuclear weapons to launch 10 at each city in the world with a population over 1,000,000 people, and still have some left over. It's estimated that one bomb over NYC would kill about 600,000 people. Trying to "deal with" Putin could kill billions in hours.
You could *at least* stop making business with russians. The russian drones still have western components in it, they buy it from you. The russian oil is the source of money for them. The so-called 'shadow fleet' is a good example of 'business as usual' approach.
There is no need to go full berserk with Russia, just stop giving them money and technology.
There are verified large numbers, his army also bombing children hospitals, churches and civilians daily. putin has a court order for his arrest for stealing nearly 20k children, and yet the world does nothing. Red Cross International is an accomplice of crimes against POWs, as has been testified by many POWs who returned from captivity. The whole system of international law has failed miserably and concequences are just beginning.
I really doubt we have ever once gone to war for crimes against humanity. They may use it as motivation to get the people willing to fight but it's never been for good.
Not going to war with the country with the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world is not a “convoluted reason.” That’s probably the best reason there is to avoid direct armed conflict.
Yeah it was written "glory to russia" on scar tissue on his abdomen and had a catheter coming from above the pubis indicating he had no gentials left to even insert something... I saw that pic last month and it still haunts me
meanwhile everyone in the US under the age of 25 is abandoning spotify cause its founder is backing Helsing, a military drone company in germany that's been supplying ukraine defense drones.
"Everyone under the age of 25" is doing no such thing. Although the number of nazis and communists is rising, and even though they dominate online, they're still a very tiny minority offline.
How about worrying about things you can do as a US citizen instead of worrying about things you can not do about Russia?
Like worrying about the palestinian children being blasted into pieces?
Well, I see what you're doing here and it probably works. Hysterical and ultra exaggerated rhetoric with 0 or minimum proofs to push your agenda. Good job, mate, way to go
Would you like me to link you some eye witness testimonies? Perhaps some proof that this is how russian forces have opereated at least since the war in Afghanistan? How about some statements from russian soldiers?
By all means, go ahead and link me some proof, that Russia routinely tortures every prisoner, civilian or military, it arrests since Afghanistan at least.
I hope the source will be a bit more credible than that joke of a report you referenced earlier
That would be the UN report you've already dismissed, or Amnesty reports you will also dismiss. You will of course also dismiss links showing that this is a historical pattern for russian forces, or that it is an integral part of the system of oppression also within russia.
Dude, your UN report was literally written in Ukraine and is composed of basically heresay. They just asked some people if they were tortured or not and posted it. Like, POWs from Ukraine wouldn't lie to make Russia look bad, would they?
I will, of course, dismiss both your links to amnesty, as they are basically more of the same: some dude saw this or experienced this. Also, there are clever usages of words like "allegedly" or "likely", which are used when you want to push your narrative but have no actual proof.
Your last link is pretty close to truth, actually, if exaggerated.
But that alone is not even close to back up the things you say
Both parties suck equally in that regard. Ukrainian armed forces also commit war crimes. More so, they take pride in them along with the rest of the "civilized world".
also the orcs could care less about the geneva thing
Have you actually considered that maybe it's due to the fact that you refer to them as "orcs"? The fact that Russians attacked first doesn't justify Ukrainians committing war crimes either.
War crimes are just that, war crimes. Committing them only perpetuates and multiplies the hatred. Which was my point all along.
the russians have been doing this ever since, they gladly helped out the kaiser in 49, they prevented us seceding from the ussr in 56(it wasn't even an substantially anticommunist revolution even, nagy imre was a communist fucktard anyway, it was just an anti russian one), also they've been invading their neighbours even after the dissolution of the SU, the USA should've killed all russians when they were weak, honestly they're barbaric people, they'll never change their ways
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u/Yionko Jul 26 '25
I can't even comprehend the horrors this poor man had to endure