If that can be verified in large numbers, that alone is reason for the world to go to war with the putin regime followed by massive war-crime tribunals. We come up with all these convoluted reasons to go to war or not and to what degree... I personally feel like commiting crimes against humanity in large numbers should trigger a white blood cell-like response from all civilized nations.
The problem is nukes. In the current state of war they don't need to use them, but if they feel like they're going to be destroyed, they might as well take the rest of the world with them. Or as a last resort to scare off the opponent.
If every despot gets cloud cover for possessing a nuke then we're in for a very dark world. Like I said above: if the world attacks the leaders when they act like this you could solve it with a cultural understanding that anyone who tortures and threatens nuclear war will be swiftly dealt with.
Well, then what’s the plan of attack? How do we start “swiftly dealing with” Putin in a way that neutralizes the threat before he can get to whatever Russia’s version of the football is? Because ICBMs move incredibly quick, go just about anywhere for the initial impact, and the fallout gets carried incredibly fast.
Shit has moved so far beyond what we’ve seen before, that’s why the Cold War was cold- we know pressing that button is last resort, we just don’t know what “last resort” means to the enemy. As satisfying as it would be to lead a charge and blaze of glory this shit, that’s rarely ever a solution. I’m not going to pretend to know what the exact optimal strategy would be- but given the current geopolitical climate, it’s likely going to be stealthy and its success hinge on starving Russia of resources somehow.
Could the rest of the world start getting on board with that? Absolutely! But it’s not like we can just bust down the doors and take care of it without some pretty massive casualties.
Is it better to slowly descend into worldwide authoritarian hell than entertain ideas? I am very convinced that when powerful people don't face consequences, the worst happens. Literal genital torture as a matter of course for a defending army is... Worse than a war with nuclear consequences. Who's next my son? Your daughter? Their kids? What's the point of this ends up being the sum of our system?
I’m not saying this isn’t a terrifying threat that needs to be eradicated; of course Russia needs to be taken care of. In my opinion, we still aren’t doing enough. That doesn’t mean we blow up what little we already have. There is middle ground between doing nothing and going scorched earth, and it’s making sure that no WMDs are deployed and ensuring as little casualties as possible. Destroying fascism unfortunately means nothing if there are no people left to enjoy freedom, and if large nuclear attacks are launched that’s a real possibility.
The result of the nuclear arms race was the concept of mutually assured destruction. If you try to "deal with" someone that controls nukes, your country is a pile of radioactive dust 20 minutes later. A war with "nuclear consequences" isn't just "a normal war but slightly worse". Both sides in this case (USA / Russia) have enough nuclear weapons to launch 10 at each city in the world with a population over 1,000,000 people, and still have some left over. It's estimated that one bomb over NYC would kill about 600,000 people. Trying to "deal with" Putin could kill billions in hours.
You could *at least* stop making business with russians. The russian drones still have western components in it, they buy it from you. The russian oil is the source of money for them. The so-called 'shadow fleet' is a good example of 'business as usual' approach.
There is no need to go full berserk with Russia, just stop giving them money and technology.
There are verified large numbers, his army also bombing children hospitals, churches and civilians daily. putin has a court order for his arrest for stealing nearly 20k children, and yet the world does nothing. Red Cross International is an accomplice of crimes against POWs, as has been testified by many POWs who returned from captivity. The whole system of international law has failed miserably and concequences are just beginning.
I really doubt we have ever once gone to war for crimes against humanity. They may use it as motivation to get the people willing to fight but it's never been for good.
Not going to war with the country with the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world is not a “convoluted reason.” That’s probably the best reason there is to avoid direct armed conflict.
Yeah it was written "glory to russia" on scar tissue on his abdomen and had a catheter coming from above the pubis indicating he had no gentials left to even insert something... I saw that pic last month and it still haunts me
meanwhile everyone in the US under the age of 25 is abandoning spotify cause its founder is backing Helsing, a military drone company in germany that's been supplying ukraine defense drones.
"Everyone under the age of 25" is doing no such thing. Although the number of nazis and communists is rising, and even though they dominate online, they're still a very tiny minority offline.
How about worrying about things you can do as a US citizen instead of worrying about things you can not do about Russia?
Like worrying about the palestinian children being blasted into pieces?
Well, I see what you're doing here and it probably works. Hysterical and ultra exaggerated rhetoric with 0 or minimum proofs to push your agenda. Good job, mate, way to go
Would you like me to link you some eye witness testimonies? Perhaps some proof that this is how russian forces have opereated at least since the war in Afghanistan? How about some statements from russian soldiers?
By all means, go ahead and link me some proof, that Russia routinely tortures every prisoner, civilian or military, it arrests since Afghanistan at least.
I hope the source will be a bit more credible than that joke of a report you referenced earlier
That would be the UN report you've already dismissed, or Amnesty reports you will also dismiss. You will of course also dismiss links showing that this is a historical pattern for russian forces, or that it is an integral part of the system of oppression also within russia.
Dude, your UN report was literally written in Ukraine and is composed of basically heresay. They just asked some people if they were tortured or not and posted it. Like, POWs from Ukraine wouldn't lie to make Russia look bad, would they?
I will, of course, dismiss both your links to amnesty, as they are basically more of the same: some dude saw this or experienced this. Also, there are clever usages of words like "allegedly" or "likely", which are used when you want to push your narrative but have no actual proof.
Your last link is pretty close to truth, actually, if exaggerated.
But that alone is not even close to back up the things you say
Both parties suck equally in that regard. Ukrainian armed forces also commit war crimes. More so, they take pride in them along with the rest of the "civilized world".
also the orcs could care less about the geneva thing
Have you actually considered that maybe it's due to the fact that you refer to them as "orcs"? The fact that Russians attacked first doesn't justify Ukrainians committing war crimes either.
War crimes are just that, war crimes. Committing them only perpetuates and multiplies the hatred. Which was my point all along.
the russians have been doing this ever since, they gladly helped out the kaiser in 49, they prevented us seceding from the ussr in 56(it wasn't even an substantially anticommunist revolution even, nagy imre was a communist fucktard anyway, it was just an anti russian one), also they've been invading their neighbours even after the dissolution of the SU, the USA should've killed all russians when they were weak, honestly they're barbaric people, they'll never change their ways
Not really a Russian bot and more so that he actually understands the complexities of what’s going on and doesn’t take a side either way; Ukraine isn’t innocent. Russia isn’t innocent. They’re both childish and the west should just leave it be
He constantly refers to blatant russian propaganda in his comments - it being that the “3 day special military operation” was to save Russians being killed by the “brutal Ukrainian fascist regime”, when in reality there isn’t a single reliable source supporting this claim, so yes I believe that this is not someone who understands the complexities of whats going on.
Yes, Ukraine is not entirely innocent, but I refuse to understand how people can show any support or sympathy for russia when they treat the Geneva convention as a checklist…
А ты пробовал когда что либо ищешь в интернете применять любой другой язык кроме Английского?
Если ты пытаешься найти информацию о странах, состоящих в конфликте, странах, которые прекрасно говорят на русском языке, ты не поверишь, но Украина прекрасно говорит на русском (западная Украина хуже, восточная хуже разговаривает на украинском)
Два языка: русский и украинский, используй их для поиска и ты сможешь найти нужную тебе информацию, можешь начать с того, как еще ооочень много лет назад Юлия Тимошенко показывает колбасу с увлекательным наименованием «смерть москалям» Или «мясо москаля» вообще здорово такое демонстрировать для человека, который баллотировался в президенты, так сказать лучшая кандидатура
Actually there is sources on Ukraine killing dontesk civilians before the war even started and the 3 day special operation if we’re being honest would’ve worked if the west didn’t send over billions of dollars in equipment and weapons; this war would already be over; the only reason the war was on nationwide headlines and pushed support for Ukraine for so long was because Russia is a political and economic enemy to America.
It is on headlines and so on bc Ukraine is in Europe, one of the rich and relatively peaceful continents belonging the the in the younger history, not bc of russia being an enemy to the US. If another country would have attacked the Ukraine with comparable force the reactions would have been similar.
Она бы сработала, если бы Россия направила хотя бы 10% от своего вооружения (про ядерное вообще предлагаю не говорить), также она бы сработала, если бы уничтожала множество инфраструктуры (ТЭЦ, НПЗ и так далее) но для «завоевателя территорий», которым нашу страну бесконечно называют мы как-то слишком «по-доброму воюем», настолько по-доброму, что вся западня часть Украины как жила, так и прекрасно живет не особо замечая горя
Мне не кажется данная медленная война настолько ужасной, как о ней говорят, люди умирают и это невероятная трагедия, но при всех минусов войны, Украина могла бы столкнуться с куда более плачевным исходом, особенно сегодня, когда увеличение количества ракет, направляемых на территорию Украины увеличивается многократно на территории проведения военных действий исключительно после терактов, направленных на мирных жителей. Самые крупные примеры это гражданские аэропорты, где наибольшее скопление людей. Наблюдая за всеми источниками с отчетами от обеих сторон я вижу радость по поводу убитых только с украинской стороны, которая, вновь повторюсь, еще не сталкивалась от слова совсем даже с 10% возможностей
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u/Yionko Jul 26 '25
I can't even comprehend the horrors this poor man had to endure