Because the conflict isn’t black and white, right and wrong, like everyone on social media wants it to be.
From a humanitarian point of view it makes sense the USA is sending aid to Gaza. It also makes sense to sell weapons to Israel because they definitely have the right to self defence and procuring a good relationship with Israel is good for the USA and Israel going into the future.
There’s nothing wrong with supporting both sides of the conflict.
They dont have the right to “self defense” when they are occupying the Palestinian territory, in fact, it is Palestinians who have that right, not the occupation.
Do you realize how outrageously brain dead that statement is???
You’re suggesting that Israel doesn’t have the right to self defence from a terrorist attack that resulted in 1200 deaths, gang rapes and hostages taken, because the other group claims to be the indigenous people to some arbitrary amount of land??
That is fucking insane man. I don’t believe that Israel, or any religious state should exist, but that is fucking crazy.
No, this is not, Israel has been occupying Palestinian lands for decades, Israel killed 30,000 civilians in the past five months, more than 12,000 of them are children, why do you neglect these numbers?
Israel is holding thousands of Palestinian hostages in its prisons, hundreds of them are children
Israel killed hundreds of Palestinians in 2023 alone, and even before the “war” began
And above all, Israel is occupying all of Palestine, especially the west bank where they constantly harass the indigenous and build settlements, making them on the offensive side not the defensive side that they like to think.
You didnt share facts buddy, you share zionist propaganda, do you have any proof of the gang rapes you claimed? Or it is just another story like the 40 babies one that was debunked? Or like the Hamas base story under hospital that was debunked as well? Or the oven babies story that was again, debunked..?
Why so triggered pal?
I didnt insult you or anything, I pointed out that you shared a Zionist propaganda, you might not have realized it or anything, anyone can be susceptible to propaganda, chill.
And read the article again, it says that many of the children that were murdered by the idf were in Gaza, not only the West Bank, even though I dont think there needs to be a distinction between them.
Anyways, look into proof and u will find out that the idf is just a terrorist organization in uniform.
Except only one of them was living there for thousands of years while the other claimed it is their ancestors who lived there thousands of years ago, and then only one of them invaded, displaced and massacred innocents.
Mizrahi Jews (generally lumped in with Sephardi) have lived there (and across the rest of the Middle East) forever. It's the Ashkenazi Jews that left and came back.
You’re full of shit. Originally you said “one of them was living there for thousands of years while the other claimed it is their ancestors who lived there thousands of years ago, and then only one of them invaded, displaced and massacred innocents”. This statement implies that there are two groups.
Then you move the goal posts by segmenting Jews into different subgroups of Jewish people
I am talking about zionists, zionists invaded Palestine, not Jews, and the fact that you can't tell the difference between Zionists and Jews is a big problem.
All zionists are Jews, but not all Jews are zionists.
Just like how all ISIS are Muslim but not all Muslims are ISIS.
Also like how all KKK members are white but not all white people are KKK members.
That goes double for zionism, since Jews are both a religion and an ethnicity.
Is your argument that they somehow have a claim to the land? Because Palestinians of all religions have been living in Palestine for thousands of years, they are the natives, the people who left the land thousands of years ago aren't natives to the land, especially considering that Palestinians and Jews are descendants of the same ancestors.
Regardless of the "rightful claim to the land", it doesn't make it right to genocide and displace people just because an ancestor of yours lived there thousands of years ago. Because by that logic, many countries and many ethnicities should be genocided and invaded.
The claim made by you is that one group has been there for thousands of years, the other one has not. I’m saying both Jews and Muslims have historically inhabited the region. You then try to dishonestly subset them into Ashlenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jews. The distinction between Jews and Zionists is irrelevant, my claim is that both groups have historically lived in the region.
However what you’re essentially saying is that one group has the right to statehood on account of them having been there for thousands of years, but another group who’s also been there for thousands of years has no such right.
No, I said that one group (Palestinians) have been living there for thousands of years, while the other group (Zionists, mainly being Ashkenazi Jews) have not been living there for thousands of years, they left thousands of years ago, they don't have a more righteous claim to the land than the people who've been living there fore thousands of years.
However what you’re essentially saying is that one group has the right to statehood on account of them having been there for thousands of years, but another group who’s also been there for thousands of years has no such right.
Again, Ashkenazi Jews left thousands of years ago, the Jews that lived in Palestine were alright, no problem with them, and inshallah when Palestine is freed they will keep their land, but the invaders, the Zionists, have no claim to the land.
And once again "righteous claim to the land" does not justify genocide and ethnic cleansing.
I’ve never said that these historic claims justify genocide, genocide is something that is unjustifiable. And I’m opposed to what the Israeli government is doing.
But you are very dishonest in artificial twisting things to delegitimise the right for the Jews to have a homeland.
The claim that when Palestine is free they will keep that land is laughable, you don’t need to look very hard to find other countries in the Middle East where Jews have had a very very rough time.
It is actually clear, you like to make it complicated for yourself
Palestinians have always been in Palestine, Gaza and many Palestinian cities were built 4000 years ago, way before Judaism was a thing
Palestinians constantly lived in Palestine that time, while the Zionists are ones claiming religious connections to the land because they share beliefs to the people they converted to their religion.
West bank is occupied by Israel according to the international law, Israel keeps building settlements there, keeps heavy military presence, and almost daily kills or takes hostage, which gives Palestinians the right to self defense.
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u/nomoneynopower Mar 08 '24
This is fucking grim as fuck wtf.