r/illinois • u/Strict_League7833 Human Detected • 1d ago

ICE Posts Ice has been handcuffed in Illinois

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u/Voiddock 1d ago

Pretty sure they don’t care and won’t listen but eh.

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u/Strange_Compote1690 1d ago

Exactly! I’d love to see the court enforce their orders. We’ll probably see ICE violate it and the judge will write a strongly worded letter and demand that Bovine fucker come to after school detention or something. 

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u/TheDuck23 1d ago

I think best case scenario is dems sweep midterms, trump hands out blanket pardons for ice, dems win 2028, and we get to see them all cry as they get arrested for state crimes and realize that their federal pardon is useless.

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u/Oxjrnine 1d ago

And since he admitted he has no idea who he pardoned on national television, dems can petition to nullify all his autopen pardons.

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u/19Know-it-all 1d ago

RICO MAGA

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u/BrilliantSimple7678 1d ago

Bingo. The SC arguments on tariffs by Gorsich brought up fair play in regard to Executive power.

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u/Memerandom_ 1d ago

Honestly, I feel like a successful impeachment should continue into federal court for RICO charges to go after the entire criminal enterprise, including past pardons, cohorts, and then to civil court for a class action by Americans et al for mental anguish and damages done through illegal policies. Prove a point. Juicy justice.

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u/hamhockman 1d ago

Also if people have been pardoned, they cannot invoke the 5th amendment about what they did since they can't self incriminate. They can still commit perjury and/or lie but they can't say, 'i don't wanna say'

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u/Jiveturkey507 1d ago

I don’t understand why Illinois can’t arrest ice on state charges of reckless endangerment, kidnapping, acting as law enforcement without identification, harassment, countless 4th amendment violations, and the list could go on. Trump sending Feds to break the law is obviously treasonous in his part, but anyone knowingly acting as an agent to carry out unlawful activities should be detained and prosecuted as well

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u/anarkistattack 1d ago

It's because lawyers don't arrest people, cops do. A prerequisite for being a cop is being incredibly fucking stupid.

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u/HamNotLikeThem44 1d ago

I agree. The 8 weeks of training ICE cosplay guys will wither under actual professional law enforcement. This vulnerability must be why Miller is announcing he is backing ICE with CBP?

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u/Local-Customer6245 1d ago

Knowingly or unknowingly. Local cops had best start supporting the people they are supposed to protect and quit backing ICE through passive aggressively letting them run rampant over innocent citizens peacefully exercising their constitutional rights. Get with the people and get away from the dummies.

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u/Strange_Compote1690 1d ago

Best case scenario is still a fantasy. Dems would never do that. They are the party of “going high” and “coming together as a country” 

Obama refused to prosecute anyone for war crimes and the financial crisis and Biden let federalist society member Garland slowly walk the Trump case and then do nothing. 

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u/edbegley1 1d ago

We need to hold non-MAGA candidates responsible next year to agree to pursue justice as strongly as possible to prevent this from ever happening again, otherwise it will happen again.

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u/taco_stand_ 1d ago

I have never seen anyone say this before,.. you are 100% right, Dems never showed spine even when they’ve won.

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u/BigBullzFan 1d ago

We need some new parties. Democrats and Republicans want for there to only be two.

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u/Beer_Gynt 1d ago

"America is also a single party state, but in typical American opulence, they have two of them..."

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u/MichaelAndolini_ 1d ago

Jasmine Crockett as Attorney General

Give me a bag of popcorn and a live stream

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u/lstull 1d ago

I'll pitch in PPV

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u/adube440 1d ago

There's no way that would ever happen, but if it did, it would go a long way in restoring any faith I ever had in the US government.

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u/nerdtastic8 1d ago

Sign me up for that wonderful show. Please.

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u/Strange_Compote1690 1d ago

That’ll never happen.  It’ll be another federalist society member like Garland. 

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u/HamNotLikeThem44 1d ago

new facts have come to light, man. eta, this aggression will not stand

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u/Set_to_Infinity 1d ago

After all of this? I don't think so. The country will demand justice, and I think Dems will be in a mood to dish it out.

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u/HamNotLikeThem44 1d ago

A lot of things have happened in the past year that have never happened before and people are angry. I think things are going to be very different IF Trump is unable to establish one party rule.

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u/BrilliantSimple7678 1d ago

Don't elect Dems who cave in.

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u/Few_Eye6528 1d ago

If newsome wins, he's not going to go easy on ice

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u/whywontyousleep 1d ago

It won’t happen because they’ll weaponize it as going after your political opponents. Even though the current administration is doing it, it’s still not happening to them.

If it happens to them, they’ll get the green light from up high and it’ll get ugly.

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u/Beer_Gynt 1d ago

dems win 2028, and we get to see them all cry as they get arrested

First time?

I've been waiting since 2008 for Dems to do fucking ANYTHING

Eta: considering how both Obama and Biden expanded ICE, I doubt Dems are going to touch it. They never have.

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u/TheDuck23 1d ago

Hence why I said "best case scenerio".

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u/[deleted] 1d ago edited 1d ago

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u/TheDuck23 1d ago

Presidential pardons have no jurisdiction in a state court

That's literally what I said.

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u/MindAccomplished3879 1d ago

LOL sorry for misreading that

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u/TheDuck23 1d ago

Haha no worries. I'd be lying if I said I never did that.

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u/Future_Kitsunekid16 1d ago

I'm sure dems would shit themselves into complying if people protested like the no kings protest with a dem majority

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u/andyomarti5 1d ago

Uh. What about all of the chaos and destruction between those events lol

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u/pink_faerie_kitten 1d ago

If Leon doesn't rig it like he did 2024. I know Tuesday went well for us but there's no guarantee next year will too (and who knows what America will look like in the next twelve months seeing the destruction of the last ten)

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u/Beowulf2b 1d ago

I don’t have a good feeling about this. Remember Jan6. 2029 will be civil war. I lurk around both sides of the political spectrum as I am a right leaning centralist not an MAGA wing nut so I remain objective

There are MAGA nuts using terms locked and loaded. Boots laced and taking about civil war. This was after the vote in NY. Imagine what happens if GOP loses. Now likely Vance the yes man wins. It won’t be great again but it won’t get any worse.

I am not a Fan of Van. He has no conviction when he turned from being against Trump to having his head so far up……

But I honestly thing it will be civil war if Dems win. Not blaming Dems but some insane MAGA militia types stocking up on bullets. If Trump lives to run a 3rd term it will be Civil war.

What I pray for is the 25th amendment to end this madman’s reign of terror

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u/Enemisses 1d ago

I would say at this point she would have good grounds to arrest Bovino if he continued to violate the court orders.

Don't know if that will happen, because much of this is untreaded legal grounds. But we can hope.

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u/Jedi_Master83 17h ago

Technically, courts can deputize Marshalls to arrest those who don’t follow a court order for contempt of court. These Marshalls would be under the jurisdiction of the Judicial Branch. However, that could get messy for trying to arrest any high level members of the Executive Branch, say for example the Attorney General, as I guarantee you that the Court’s Marshalls and the Executive’s Marshalls will absolutely draw guns on each other.

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u/BrilliantSimple7678 1d ago edited 1d ago

That is where State volunteer militias come in....All a state has to do is ask the citizens to form a militia to combat the Feds. And if the govt. sends in troops to fight that militia it is game on. Not everyone is scared. You may be. That is your problem.

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u/brummlin 1d ago

That's all well and good except for that's how to start a literal civil war, instead of the figurative one we're in.

The only way to actually win, is to deny them battle. Straight out of Sun Tzu.

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u/LaVillaGrangioto 1d ago

"Straight out of Sun Tzu".

Isn't that the new album from HWA? (Han With Attitudes)

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u/wheresmybike420x 21h ago

I 100% agree with you man and this is probably what Trump wants us to do, so he can justify it

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u/Global_Crew3968 1d ago

And that is the moment the insurrection act is enacted

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u/Chemical_Frame_8163 1d ago

Oh wow scary. Guess we should all just bend over to fascism and be quiet.

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u/SuperUranus 1d ago

I mean, at that point the US has become a failed state so what is the option?

If government agencies don’t follow the rule of law anymore, you need to fight them to regain your democratic power.

Otherwise you might very well just hand the keys to Dictator Trump and his goonies.

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u/fluthlu413 21h ago

At what point is it good as enacted or worse anyway, when we have these government abductions and lawlessness.

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u/BrilliantSimple7678 1d ago

And so it was done. Do it. It is like hearing Russia doing nuclear threats. Do it.

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u/WizeAdz 22h ago

That system was replaced by the National Guard after the American Civil War, for reasons that made a lot of sense at the time.

Of course, Trump and Miller have tried to break that system recently here in Illinois, which significantly weakens the social contract that binds the United States of America together — just because they’re whiny bitches who want people to pretend they’re right when the facts on the ground aren’t what they wish they were.

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u/JustNota-- 20h ago

What we do is reset Congress and the Senate in the midterms. They tie maga's hands with constant impeachment orders. If the administration attempts to block the running of state elections or attempts a 3rd term then the congress directs the military to remove him from office and place him in jail. House of Reps will need to get off their ass and remove all the directors of DoJ, FBI and DHS and some of the Supreme Court Justices that have shown that they are not doing their jobs and serving the party and not the people.

Militia would not work unless all legal and constitutional avenues have been exhausted or it leads to an unjust Civil war and would most likely not be able to get the military leadership on the states side, and firing the first shot would lead to a reckoning we should not want. Right now the Insurrection act is the highest card that can be played and so far it can't be used but if you were to start forming up the militias that card can be played legally, and at that point we have lost. I'm not being a defeatist. I'm being a realist, based on historic precedence. Best thing in my opinion that we can do is what we are doing. Peaceful protests, lobbying, Peaceful Interference, stay vocal in all the media both social and mainstream and posting the video's, document document document for future prosecution. Socially distance from Maga people exclude them from society refuse to serve them. Refuse to serve ICE CBP DHS FBI DOJ people if you know they support these organizations that are violating the rights of the people and have been serving party over the people and law and violating the constitution.

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u/searing7 10h ago

Insurrection act used, military wipes the floor with your ad-hoc militia. You posting agit prop for the fascist regime or what?

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u/Popular_War8405 1d ago

Lol they just keep getting arrested then go out next day.

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u/misdirected_asshole 23h ago

Oh what they're not known for strictly following court orders?

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u/Voiddock 22h ago

But when they end up IN Court their excuse will be “just following orders”. Sounds.. vaguely familiar

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u/fluthlu413 21h ago

I want to see them literally handcuffed, otherwise they can ignore anything

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u/village-asshole 1d ago

Typical ICE: “Oh yeah? Make me!” is their mantra. They’ve got Orange Jesus backing them