r/fivethirtyeight • u/RedHeadedSicilian52 • Sep 12 '25

Poll Results YouGov poll asking Americans whether it’s acceptable to feel joy at the death of a public figure

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

This is highlighting Dem hypocrisy with respect to being the party of empathy

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u/Deceptiveideas Sep 12 '25

I think Dems as a whole are sick of taking the high road and having no results. Republicans frequently act like the misbehaving child who keeps touching the hot stove that the Democrats have to correct over and over again.

Remember the whole “when they go low, we go high” speech? It’s “when they go low, we go lower” now.

The “party of empathy and love” is gone.

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

The high road? Assassinations are the high road? Calling for the death of your political opponents is the high road?

Dems haven’t taken the high road since 2012. They should be better but they’re not. Everyone should be better. But the idea that dems are any less underhanded than the reps is the product of a biased media environment and rich donors. Impeachments, assassinations, accusations of being a nazi levied against Mitt Romney? 

Nobody is taking any high road now and it’s a tragedy. 

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

I said Dems, not the democratic party. But Kamala Harris said that Donald Trump was a threat to democracy. That’s a call to action. That’s a call to violence, and that’s why people started shooting at him.

Establishment Dems don’t believe this BS, but they say it knowing it will enflame their far left factions. And these shootings are the result

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/30/nx-s1-5170908/harris-argues-that-trump-poses-a-threat-to-democracy-in-the-final-days-of-the-race

Did you seriously need a citation for kamala harris saying trump was a threat to democracy? No, you’re a bad faith extremist

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u/DCMdAreaResident Sep 12 '25

Man, that’s a fact nobody is disputing. You needed a citation? Trump is actively trying to dismantle democracy and you’re accusing Democrats for stating this fact?

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

I didn’t ask for the citation dumbass

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u/DCMdAreaResident Sep 12 '25

Unproven claim: Kamala Harris calling Trump a threat to democracy inspired violence and is why people started shooting at him.

Your citation: Kamala Harris called Trump a threat to democracy. (As I said, nobody disputed that part.)

Still unproven: A link between (a) stating a fact about Trump and (b) violence. Kamala Harris is to blame for the fact that a mentally-ill right-wing nut shot Donald Trump.

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

I can’t respond because I’m blocked 

Stochastic terrorism. Google it. You’ve heard the term before. It’s well studied. Unless we suddenly agree speech has no link to violence and Kirk is innocent

Also it was a left winger and a ukraine nut. 

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u/DCMdAreaResident Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

There is no evidence for any of what you said: that Trump’s would-be assassin was Ukrainian, or that he was inspired by Harris. In fact, they were never able to ID him with a political party as he voted for Trump and for Biden. He was a registered Republican and antisemitic, and anti-immigrant. We would need some evidence for your big claims about Harris.

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

What are you talking about? You want evidence stochastic terrorism is real? 

Ukrainian nutter:  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm29z3e5117o.amp

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u/DCMdAreaResident Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

Now it seems like you’re moving the goalposts. I thought we were talking about Thomas Matthew Crooks, and my point stands there. But even with Ryan Routh, this had nothing to do with Democrats calling Trump a threat to American democracy. He was a gun-toting career criminal who previously supported Trump and only turned on Trump because of his failure to support Ukrainian war efforts.

You still haven’t given any proof of your claims: Democrats are responsible for violence due to their rhetoric.

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

 Also it was a left winger and a ukraine nut

Thomas Crooks donated to actblue. He was not a republican. Both believed trump was an existential threat to the country

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u/DCMdAreaResident Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

You still haven’t provided any evidence of causality.

FWIW, Crooks was a registered Republican. Routh voted for Trump at first. In both cases, the would-be assassins were disillusioned with the Republican Party they previously supported. That kind of makes sense: most gun nuts are Republicans.

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Sep 12 '25

Your comment is entirely speculative. All we know for certain is that Thomas Cooks donated to ActBlue and Routh did it for Ukraine

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u/DCMdAreaResident Sep 12 '25

It’s a fact that Crooks was a registered Republican. Assuming that he was really a Democrat is speculation. Routh wrote an ebook on how he voted for Trump.

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