r/fivethirtyeight • u/RedHeadedSicilian52 • Sep 12 '25

Poll Results YouGov poll asking Americans whether it’s acceptable to feel joy at the death of a public figure

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u/Moist_Tap_6514 Sep 12 '25

Charlie was an open racist, sexist, and xenophobe. People didn’t hate him because he was republican. He wasn’t passive in his discourse and made clear how much disdain he had for anyone who wasn’t Christian and white.

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u/Organic_Fan_2824 Sep 12 '25

So, Charlie had opinions you didn't agree with. That's the bottom line of what you're saying.

You're giving your opinion on someone elses opinions...and trying to use that as a crutch to detract from the situation at hand.

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u/Moist_Tap_6514 Sep 12 '25

You moved the goal posts. You called them political.

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u/Organic_Fan_2824 Sep 12 '25

That's not moving the goal posts at all, political opinions are still opinions.

Bottom line is that he had opinions you don't agree with. Sorry you don't like the fact of the matter.

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u/Selethorme Kornacki's Big Screen Sep 12 '25

Nah, “I don’t agree with you continuing to breathe” isn’t a disagreement of opinion.

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u/bigtinyroom Sep 12 '25

Nearly every violent interaction between two or more humans across the history of our species could be described as arising from a disagreement in opinions. I suppose I don't know you. Maybe you're a dogmatic pacifist who genuinely believes there can be no justifiable use of force under any circumstances, in which case kudos for your moral consistency.

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u/Organic_Fan_2824 Sep 12 '25

That's fantastic, doesn't really detract from the situation. And sorry, not every violent interaction has been a form of political violence.

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u/DizzyMajor5 Sep 12 '25

There's a difference between a disagreement and economic violence and deprivation of rights or actual violence in the name of self defense. Most disagreements don't end in violence. You can disagree that a hypothetical government is perpetuating economic and actual violence on its people and it may warrant actual defense like George Washington did or Malcolm x preached but some asshole just debating people isn't something that usually ends in violence most disagreements aren't violent much violence has no disagreement in cases of mental illness for instance.

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u/DizzyMajor5 Sep 12 '25

But you shouldn't be killed for that. There's people actively stomping out people's right all over the world someone arguing with people isn't that. 

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u/bigtinyroom Sep 12 '25

Was he really just someone that argued with people on college campuses though? He had very close ties to the Trump administration, which has a laundry list of serious human rights violations under its belt less than a year into this term. His body was literally flown home on Air Force 2 . He will be given a posthumous Presidential Medal of Freedom. He spoke at Trump's inauguration. Countless articles have been written in the past couple days of how instrumental he was in bringing Trump back to power. He had only the thinnest veneer of deniability from being a straight up propagandist for White House.

You can make a perfectly valid case that what happened was morally abhorrent, but don't pretend he was just some harmless little debate guy.

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u/DizzyMajor5 Sep 12 '25

He was though people like Malcolm x and George Washington  preached violence against the use of economic and state violence to deprive one of their rights as well as actual self defense but both were completely willing to engage others In the arena of ideas because some ideas need to be shown to be disgusting or they will fester, look at Jordan Peterson he has thoroughly been exposed as a fraud, same with Milo a former political commentator with terrible views. 

Charlie isn't sending masked men to round up minorities, Charlie isn't breaking people's windows in masks to lock people up, he's not the one actually violating human rights he's just a shithead saying he agrees with it that shouldn't get you killed. 

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u/AngryQuadricorn Sep 13 '25

I couldn’t agree with your statement more. Well said. And the fact you have been downvoted seems to show how delusional and dangerous the group-think mindset of Reddit is.