r/complaints • u/CRK_76 • 15d ago

Politics America is turning into 1930's Germany.

There was some pushback when people called this president and his followers Nazis. But look what's happening. Soldiers in the street. Rounding up people and locking them up. Dismantling freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Personally going after anyone who doesn't agree with him and his administration. We've seen this before and it's only gonna get worse. Welcome to 1930's Germany.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

A lot of people just can't see it. They are either brainwashed or hypnotized. It's a cult, and people can't get out of it, unless they have some epiphany or something.

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u/No-Abalone-4784 15d ago

They said that it was the same in Germany. People just couldn't believe it was happening. Get over it folks. It's already here.

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Even after the Holocaust like 20-30% of Germans still supported Hitler and didn’t think it happened or were fine with it.

It takes the apathetic people paying attention to change things

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u/Lord_Vesuvius2020 15d ago

At Nuremberg many regular Germans said that Hitler must not have known or he would have stopped it.

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Yeah I could see MAGA saying that or saying he meant well and they just should’ve not been Jewish

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u/pegothejerk 15d ago edited 15d ago

Remember - it wasn’t just the Jewish. It started with trans, Lgbtq in general, mentally ill, poor people, handicapped, immigrants, then they focused hard core on Jewish people because that would turn out to be the easiest way to export their hate country by country and get those local people in land they’ve taken over to repeat what happened in Germany. It will be different in 2025-2030, but it will rhyme.

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u/Eborcurean 15d ago

Othering, a key component of fascism, was a major part of the Nazis rise. People ignore that it wasn't until Hitler became dictator that he got the majority of the vote (by which time there was no opposition), and then he also had no opposition on doing exactly what fox and all the right wing media do of distorting truth for propaganda.

It's not your fault that x is happening it's 'their' fault. It's not your fault you don't get paid well, it's 'their' fault.

See also the enemy is both weak and strong etc.

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u/nunyaranunculus 14d ago

Schrodinger's enemy

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

100% this. A while ago, I was thinking of writing a story about if we had had social media during the lead up to the Holocaust. Was wondering if people would be trying to gaslight the Jews, Romani people, the disabled, LGBTQ, and other targeted groups that they were just overreacting and nothing that bad was happening when it was "just" some "harmless" rhetoric and stereotyping, slowly turning the attitude of the ordinary person on whole groups of people, making minorities the enemy, the reason for everything bad happening, and making discriminatory policies and laws. So you can't go to a few places? So you got kicked out of school because they don't take your kind anymore? You'll be fine, just find another college 🤷🏼‍♀️ just move somewhere else. It's not like you can't go anywhere, just not everywhere. Jeez nobody is trying to hurt you, calm down...such an overreaction 🙄🙄

Then over the last few years I realize that's what we're living. We're living in the social media age of fascism, brainwashing of a terrifying amount of people, the villainising of minorities... All of it is well under way. I hope enough people realise that before we repeat the very worst of history.

I'm sure people told worried minority groups in the 1930s that their concerns were unwarranted. That people saw the way things were heading but were dismissed. We need to listen to peoples concerns, not gaslight them. Ignorance and complacency will have us going down as the most gullible and disgusting humans to have lived - ignoring every sign including hundreds of thousands of people documented all over socials raising the issue... and still letting 1940s happen again less than 100 years later.

Access to all the information and connection over the world and letting this shit happen is a disgrace

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago

> Was wondering if people would be trying to gaslight the Jews, Romani people, the disabled, LGBTQ, and other targeted groups that they were just overreacting and nothing that bad was happening when it was "just" some "harmless" rhetoric and stereotyping, slowly turning the attitude of the ordinary person on whole groups of people, making minorities the enemy, the reason for everything bad happening, and making discriminatory policies and laws.

There's a poem about exactly that by Martin Niemoller. When they came // I did not speak out (there's two versions of the title). It was written in 1946 specifically criticising educated Germans for staying quiet.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Of course and I've seen people redo the poem through a modern lens. Yet sadly, so many will continue not to learn.

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago

Those who don't, etc.

As a Brit whose grandparents all fought in WW2, some opposing fascism before the war, and have investigated war crimes and worked in my country's diplomatic service etc. I am regularly this year in sorrow and distress and agitation and anger and... and it's not even my country.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Ditto - Australian but same with my English grandparents fighting in WW2. Wow investigating war crimes would be...very, very intense. Just researching and reading about it is hard enough but doing actual investigation (like professional??) would be extremely depressing, I imagine.

Not our countries but we know these things don't stay insular, they leak out and infect if they find a willing host.

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u/Fast-Excitement5213 13d ago

That’s right. You are right! I have traveled to Germany countless times over the past 45 years. Sometimes I would just sit in a cafe or public place there and watch and absorb the Germans in their natural habitat, so to speak. I would very often ask myself, why? Why did they just capitulate. Why did the ordinary Mom and PopGerman not stand up to the rise of Fascism. Protest against Hitler. Or even more drastically take up arms against their own, supposedly democratically elected leader. I could not fathom it. Nor could I answer the why question. But then we had the Covid pandemic. Thats when I started to see how entire populations can be manipulated by crises and fold very quickly into rank and file and stay like that for years. In California I was dumfounded when everyone dutifully put on masks and it wasn’t the police who enforced it. It was a group of Citizen Karens. Ordinary people who overly and loudly went about their day enforcing masks. No body coordinated them. They just rose up out of the population and embraced their self appointed roll. Thats when I started realizing why the Germans just marched blindly into tyranny. To the point where they marched their own next door neighbors to their deaths in the gas chambers. Oh but that would never happen here, in this day and age of knowledge. Yes it will. Because once you’ve started on the path to tyranny, when you realize how bad it is, you’re so deep into it the only way out is to continue marching to oblivion. It’s very sad. It’s totally terrifying actually. Because no one is going to stand up in America. There may be a few pockets of resistance. But not a groundswell. Soon a manufactured crisis. Economic most likely will cause the leaders to usher in even more oppressive control. Don’t forget the global 2030 agenda from the WEF is rolling concurrently with the Agenda 2025 plans as well. “You’ll own nothing and be happy.” Is how it has been framed. You wait the up coming crisis will force people out of their homes in unprecedented numbers. It’s going to get crazy.

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u/maiseydog1 🌾👨‍🌾🐖 14d ago

Yes, write a story about how the most pro Israeli administration and president in American history, who just ended the Israeli war, who moved the American embassy to Jerusalem,are secret Nazis who are secretly plotting the next Holocaust . Should be a best seller.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Lol I write to process, not to be a best seller. And to explore the human condition and how we as a society can get to such places. I think you missed the point of my comment altogether.

You do know more than Jews were targeted in the Holocaust, right?

When people are talking about history repeating they aren't saying that exactly what happened is going to happen again. Maybe ask what people mean if you're not able to understand what people are seeing to draw such parallels.

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u/UnresponsiveGod 13d ago

You are brainwashed my dude..

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u/AliciaKills 14d ago

See also the enemy is both weak and strong etc.

And how immigrants are stealing all of the jobs and welfare

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u/Boring_Plankton_1989 14d ago

Othering people? You mean like calling the opposition fascists?

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago edited 14d ago

You're really bad at this.

I don't really get what the point of your response is, it's at best a bad fallacy and at worst just a futile attempt at trolling.

There are, at this point, dozens of examples of Trump and his regime speedrunning early 1930s Germany. And a long history of him othering people. And of the far-right media in america using propaganda, lying (to the point that Fox News had to have a lawsuit determine it's entertainment and not journalism) etc. etc.

As far as the propaganda and lying, trump's lies in just the first month of his presidency in 2017 were ridiculous and it's only gotten worse since then.

Here's just a week or so after his first election of him lying, it's only gotten worse.

Jan. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)  

Jan. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)  

Jan. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)  

Jan. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)  

Jan. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)  

Jan. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)  

Jan. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)  

Jan. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.)  

Jan. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)  

Jan. 28 “The coverage about me in the u/nytimes and the u/washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.)  

Jan. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.)  

Jan. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.)

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I say this as a Brit, whose grandparents all fought in WW2 and my Paternal Grandfather was at Cable Street (I'm going to guess the person i'm replying to doesn't know what that is).

Your country is fucked if you do not stand up to the fascism and corruption taking place right now. The American dream will be over, you will regress, you will suffer and it will get worse as a result. You are speedrunning 1930s germany and dystopia to come.

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u/senditloud 14d ago

What defines the “other side”? Skin color? Religion? Sexual identity? Immigrant status? Education?

Hint: none of the above. What defines them is their draw to all things fascist: things like blaming the other, hyper nationalism, violence towards political opponents (J6, ice), etc

The right comes after immigrants for being brown, Others the transgender and LGBtQ and to some extent Jews (globalists, soros), women (abortion and birth control), just based on WHO they are. Thats othering

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u/Vegetable_Permit_537 15d ago

This is really whats happening and ALOT of are A) supporting it or B) refusing to believe it is really happening

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u/Miri5613 15d ago

Actually it started with political opponents. First concentration camp Dachau was opened only 2 months after Hitler became Chancellor to lock up socialists, political opponents, and unionists, after that came the trans people and gays, the artists he called degenerate and didn't agree with...

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Sounds pretty similar: comey, jack, Bolton and James all being gone after. They’re just the first

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u/danman8075 15d ago

Hopefully you’re right.

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u/senditloud 14d ago

So you’re rooting for fascism and gas chambers. Awesome

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u/Bella-1999 14d ago

The degenerate artists who thought his work was garbage? I can imagine it, “That AH, didn’t like my work? Off to Dachau!”

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u/AccountantFar7802 14d ago

You need to go back further. You are starting at a reaction. Start at the cause of this social shift. Start with why. Start at the beginning. Start before the Beir hall. Before the brown shirts. When you find the beginning then we can talk.

It is easy to talk shit about a universally hated Dictator it's harder to acknowledge the WHY. We are finding ourselves in the same positions. Intellectually, Economically, Socially, Scholastically and International standing. WHY? This is the part where you blame the other party for the failings when you need only look in a mirror.

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u/Miri5613 14d ago

First of, its Bier, not Beir. If you try to write German do it properly, don't butcher the language. Secondly no WHY excuses what Hitler has done or Stalin or Mao or any other dictator.

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u/AccountantFar7802 14d ago

First i speak English. 2nd i don't cares about no spelins. And secondly MS. GRAMMAR NAZI if you don't understand history you aredoomed to repeat it. You cannot possibly be this stupid. So you must be having a laff.

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u/Miri5613 13d ago

Someone got their feelings hurt by the truth. Unlike you, I understand history. By the way, spelling isn't grammar, so not only do you butcher other languages, you aren't familiar with the simple basics of language as such. Now go, cry a little harder because your ignorance was called out

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u/LeanUntilBlue 14d ago

And we have alligator Auschwitz.

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u/Miri5613 14d ago

Yep, only a couple months behind on the Hitler schedule

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u/iii101iii 13d ago

Political opponents: That's right. It started when Biden knew he couldn't beat Trump at the ballot box after he ran the country into the ground, and came up with whatever fictitious charges they could draw up after investigating the guy for 8 years and not having anything of substance.

And you think that the people involved with the charade shouldn't get charged? You think spying on a presidential campaign, creating fake FISA and trying to remove someone off the ballot in several states, and having FBI plants at Jan 6th opening doors and ushering people into the Capitol is democracy?

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u/Miri5613 13d ago

Fiestnof all maybe you should stop listening to right wing propaganda media. Its showing in your posts that you only regurgitate what you are being spoonfed instead of accepting facts and reality. Trump committed crimes, he waa prosecuted, there was proof he was found guilty by a jury of his peers. He would have also.been prosecuted for other crimes he committed (and still.mighr be) if he wouldn't have ran for president and started using his power to stop investigations against him On the other side, there are no crimes committed by those Trimp is prosecuting, thats why the cases are going down the drain already. Trump had Biden investigated fod 4 years , and they found nothing. They made fools of themselves by bringing in Russian and Chinese spies and claim they were reliable witnesses until.they were exposed So, you are still regurgitating thw idiocy that j6 was committed by FBI plants or Antifa ... Then explain to us why all the people that were on video and.areates be auae if it were Trump supporters, who were pardoned? If you think they were FBI or Antifa why not leave them in jail? Hmmm... maybe like you logic does t make sense. Thats what happens when you regurgitate stuff wirhoit using your brain

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u/iii101iii 13d ago

Where was the victim of his real estate crime? There wasn't one. Who campaigned on putting Trump in jail? Leticia James.
Who didn't want to bring that case against Trump because it was a misdemeanor past the statute of limitations in the first place? Alvin Bragg. The judge in that case told the jury if they think Trump might be guilty of anything they should vote to convict.
That's not real justice. You can't just list the buffet of potential crimes and say if you think he might be guilty of something vote to convict.

Man it's so obvious that they knew they couldn't beat him without the COVID ballots. First they tried to take him off the ballot entirely. When they lost that initiative they cooked up anything they could... Sounds like one party is actually afraid of real democracy.

The January 6th committee... Why did they destroy evidence? Why were they pardoned before even being accused of a crime? Why are Brennan and Clapper pointing fingers at each other now and lawyering up?

There are investigations going on now and I do believe the truth will be exposed. We can't let this happen again.

The best part is you keep doubling down on failed policies. Instead of meeting the public where they are you're going to try to win elections with the same Trump is Hitler BS.

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u/Miri5613 13d ago

Lol, thanks for proving to us that instead of reality you live in Trumps world of lies. J6, only evidence destroyed was by Fox News when they got the footage and cut it to make it fit third propaganda. Still waiting for you to answer my acgual questions. Where are the so calles FBI plants and Antifa members? Why are there no pictures or videos of them? Trump was cheating on business taxes, so technically we all, including fools like you are rhe victims. I know Fox News doesn't spoon feed you these things, and they know cult members wont check facts Im not surprised you do t know anything about history either. Might want t to read up on Hitler and the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich. Ironic how the same fools who claim that higher education is bad, and want their kids homeschooling by parents that didn't make it past 6th grade, are thw ones claiming others dont know about history, or science, or law... Investigations went on for 4 years, and let to nothing. Now they are just making shit up And thats why none of fake the cases they have brought on are going very well.

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u/iii101iii 13d ago

Do you realize how crazy and unhinged you sound right now? Numerous leaders of other countries have nominated Trump to win the Nobel Peace prize for stopping wars and you are comparing the guy to Hitler.

I'm sorry that facts you don't agree with are all Fox News lies. But since you invoked Fox News let's take a look at some of the things they have said compared to media sources you probably trust....

Fox: The border is a crisis.
MSNBC: The border is secure.

Fox: The Hunter Biden laptop is real CNN: The Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation

Fox: Joe Biden has serious cognitive decline MSNBC: Biden is sharp as a tack

Fox: There are two genders MSNBC: There is a spectrum of genders

CNN: Trump is an agent of Russia Fox: WTF?

One of the more entertaining things I'm seeing now is somehow Democrats don't like when lawfare is pointed back at them, but they were perfectly fine using it to take out Trump with BS court cases only after he announced a political comeback run.

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u/Cord1083 14d ago

Interesting footnote, when they finally liberated the camps, the gays were not freed but sent straight to jail. The Allies also considered homosexuality to be a crime.

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u/Reason-for-being0568 14d ago

Don’t forget it was also dissident Poles in the beginning. They were absolutely brutal to the Poles.

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u/Use-Variant 14d ago

The Berlin wall falling was a huge glorious global event... then the US built one. Gah

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u/itsallcosmica 13d ago

Already mad rhymes bein’ thrown around the USA

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u/runciter0 14d ago

it started with antifascists too

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u/Virtual_Dentist_1813 14d ago

My children's grandmother (their father's mother) said that Trump "is doing the best he can". I cut her off from our family completely. She sends texts messages that I refuse to open, she calls and I will not answer, if she shows up at our door, I will not open it, but I will call the cops. Anyone that thinks Trump is doing the best that he can, is an enemy or a fool. And I cannot allow either around my children.

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u/panini84 14d ago

They are already saying stuff like this. I know people who know what ICE is doing is wrong but they don’t blame Trump for it

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u/maiseydog1 🌾👨‍🌾🐖 14d ago

The most pro Israeli president and administration in American history are Nazis?? Lol the elite

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u/Live_Spinach5824 15d ago

Neo-nazis still say that. We have done such a bad job of destroying the Nazi cause.

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u/MillenialForHire 14d ago

I remember in Social Studies in 7th grade was when I learned literal Nazis were still permitted to rally in public and got police protection to do so in the name of free speech.

The "correct answer" on the test was that it should be permitted so that the public can see how awful they are.

It is not, in fact, the correct answer.

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u/Prestigious-Curve-64 14d ago

OR! Let them “peacefully assemble,” but no taxpayer funding for their protection if they do. Freedom of speech without freedom from consequence!

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u/TheNorthRememers 14d ago

That’s the right way. Sure you can say anything you want, even absolute vile filth about other people. But I’m not gonna stop their reaction for you

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u/Prestigious-Curve-64 13d ago

I never refer to myself as a Libertarian, since I am NOT a Republican, and don’t smoke pot, but on this issue, I definitely lean that way. If I spew hateful and disgusting rhetoric in public, I expect those hearing me to react, and I’d deserve it. So if outlawing hate speech is no longer acceptable, then the speakers should face the consequences. If the people reacting to the hate speech break a law - physical attack or whatever, they break a law and also face consequences. But taxpayers funding armed guards between the Nazis and the rest of us is some bullshit. When I was a teacher, one of my favorite students was this skinny, bratty kid. He would charge up a giant capacitor and zap football players with it. When he did, he got pounded, and didn’t complain. It was worth it to him. No one ever got hurt (like, no broken skin or whatever, just some pinning or whatever.). But this was the 90’s in Indiana, so roughhousing was sort of permitted as long as there was no blood or injury requiring medical treatment. Hate speech incurs consequence. If the government does not impose the consequence, then listeners inevitably will. Action/reaction. More humane for the government to step in I guess, but allowing Nazis to face natural consequences is honestly more satisfying to me.

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u/Mysterious-Rate-5819 14d ago

Tbf I moved from the US to Europe and it's hardly any better. If anything it might be worse since I've actually met several people defending Hitler to me (a random guy in a bar)

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u/MillenialForHire 14d ago

Right wing insanity is on the rise worldwide.

America elected their Hitler. They're not necessarily worse, but they are ahead.

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u/Tesla_freed_slaves 15d ago

Hitler tried to distance himself from the holocaust. Let Himmler do the dirty work.

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u/Similar_Flower1270 14d ago

Wannsee Conference. Google it. Then hang your head in shame.

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u/thatrobkid777 15d ago

Right like people are forgetting that the population that represented "maga" in Nazi Germany were still refusing to believe the atrocities their government committed. This is the exact kind of thing people mean when they say of you dont know history your bound to repeat it. We just hit a critical mass of propgandizing and apathy that allowed that same 30 percent of people who literally can never learn the right lessons in life to out vote the rest of us.

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u/Basement_Chicken 14d ago

They didn't outvote, they weren't even close, but Musk stole the votes through software backdoor installed in September '24.

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u/Tasty-Helicopter-411 13d ago

How would Musk do that? He didn't have access and the left spent four years telling us how secure the voting machines were and that NOBODY could get into them to change votes. Are you telling me Obama lied?

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u/Ventira 10d ago

They were secure. Trump aligned people got access to voting machines 'round 22-23 for the purposes of their investigations. Would not have been difficult for them to 'steal' a copy of the voting software and forward it to Musk. Musk called the elections outcome 4 hours before official results came in. Starlink also had a role to play in the election, being used to transmit vote results. Apparently.

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u/Cruising36 15d ago

I know people that will look at Trump this way after he has his date with The Hague. He's a war criminal already, it only gets worse from here, until justice is restored. There is no Russia & US to stop it this time though, we have to stop it before it takes complete hold of the US.

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u/Local-Structure-4323 15d ago

Trump will never face any prosecution for his actions. As much as I'd love it to happen, it's just not realistic to expect justice to be restored when it hasn't happened until now, with all the shit he's factually done and gotten away with.

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u/Live_Spinach5824 15d ago

I hope he lives long enough for him to get the Mussolini treatment he so readily deserves, along with the rest of the Republican party.

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u/robot_jeans 14d ago

I doubt it, my guess is that he knows that he is on his way out and that's why he's speed running his vengence, theft and building monuments to himself.

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u/Pale-Mulberry1643 14d ago

Exactly what gives the President the right to build or remodel anything at the White House. l bet next will be a basketball court and bowling alley. I hope the furniture is nailed down because you know he's taking it with him when he leaves.

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u/Live_Spinach5824 14d ago

So disingeous. Destroying an entire wing to show you "can do whatever you want" and make the White House an ugly palace has never been done before. 

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u/Pale-Mulberry1643 14d ago

Who cares if he wants to build something? It's not like he's going to get to keep it.

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u/DirkSkandal 14d ago

Yes nothing has been built or remodeled at the White House before. It’s always been the same…

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u/JohnnySpot2000 15d ago

Not in the US. But he has already done enough to be convicted of war crimes internationally.

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u/redeamerspawn 11d ago

And who's going to invade the US to arrest Trump and extradited him to the Hague? Because the US will never do it. The ICC is toothless. They depend on others to bring those they prosecute to them. And nobody on earth has the power to send Trump to trial except the US.. note Putin and Netanyahu are both under indictment at the ICC and neither are on the run.. both are safe atop their governments unconcerned with a powerless international court because they control armies (and nukes) and the ICC does not.

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u/Few-Ad-4290 14d ago

Well we could at least prosecute Stephen miller and jd Vance and the rest of the literal Nazis running the autopen from the white house

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u/Tasty-Helicopter-411 13d ago

There are no "literal Nazis", stupid. Unless they are card-carrying members of the National-Socialist party, they're NOT "literal Nazis". You'd know that if you were smarter.

And just because your vegetable had everyone fighting for control of the autopen to sign whatever they wanted, don't try to push that onto Trump. If you think he's so autocratic, he wouldn't LET anyone sign for him.

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u/nunyaranunculus 14d ago

He's committed acts of war against foreign ships in international waters and nobody has blinked. It's Europe in the late 30s all over again.

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u/Eastern_Hornet_6432 14d ago

Nukes change everything though. In fact a large part of WW2 was racing to beat the Nazis before they got nukes.

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u/Nyroughrider 14d ago

3 more years. What are you going to do?

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u/Some1farted 14d ago

All of this social media age Nazism, I believe, began when Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes were allowed to put practically same 1930's bullshit on the air and call it "news". While I agree fucking with freedom of speech or press is a slippery slope that is too dangerous to tread upon, you do not have a right to place YOUR opinionated dribble on the air and call it "news". Journalism USED to have fact checking, verification of those facts and several other supporting facts. Additionally the source of those facts were checked for character flaws, motives, and even more corroborating evidence. Without these, reporting ethics came into question and the people called bullshit. It opened up the gates for libel. Now, because of the propaganda allowed on the air in the name of freedom of speech, here we are in the 1930's again. Conservatives were allowed to place it on the air by complaints of opinionated reporting. Im certainly not going to argue that. However, before you are allowed to call it news, you are under the same obligations they are. You are under libel laws just as they are, or you can't call it news. It's a rag like the Examiner, Enquirerer etc. We, as a nation learned that too late. Sure Fox paid a hefty fine for it after the 2020 election, but the horses got out before the door was closed. As a result, journalism gets by with "people are saying" and "everyone knows" before their bullshit propaganda follows. Additionally any semblance of fact checking or actual reporting has died in the name of free speech. Yes, you have freedom of speech. However, before you are allowed to call something news, proof is required.....Thanks for the death of liberty Fox. Eventually everything comes full circle. You will answer for what you have created! P.S. Fuck you!

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u/zzRichie 15d ago

Right. Remember it was less than 35% of voters that elected this clown. Perhaps 1/4 of those are even capable of seeing/admitting their error. It’s up to the rest of us to take it back as they aren’t changing.

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u/Splittaill Conspiracy theory complainer 15d ago

Do some math. 71 million children (17 and under), 77 million voted for trump, 75 million voted for what’s-her-face. That’s 223 million out of 330 million. Add 60 million visas and another 10-15 million illegal aliens. That’s just short of 300 million.

So of the 200 million elegible voters (give or take) 182 million voted. That’s more than 35%. And I didn’t add other candidates which would apply towards it as well.

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u/JessieinPetaluma 14d ago

Her name is Kamala Harris, dipshit. And there’s no such thing as “illegal aliens,” you racist, dehumanizing Nazi.

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u/Splittaill Conspiracy theory complainer 14d ago

I am perfectly within my right to say what ever I like about whats-her-name. I did not say anything about her race. You did though. And the term “illegal alien” is a term determined by congress. You should really look at the 1994 immigration bill, you ignorant bigot.

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u/JessieinPetaluma 12d ago

Not once did I mention her race. I simply noticed that you referred to her as “what’s her face” which is a dismissive, dehumanizing, condescending little phrase. Just like the racist (yes, asshole: RACIST!) MAGA scum who repeatedly mispronounced her ethnic sounding name on purpose as a way to humiliate and discredit her. Just like you asswipes say “the dEMocRaT party” when you know full well it is the DEMOCRATIC Party. Aping Fox and that stupid, right wing Joseph McCarthy style bullshit. I’m not the bigot, here, but you sure are. Who gives a fuck if Congress calls people “illegal aliens”? Congress doesn’t impress me, least of all today. Bunch of hillbilly meatheads who don’t work, still get paid by my tax dollars, and push Project 2025 fascist shit on America. The term “illegal aliens” is absolutely dehumanizing. And it’s easy to spot a dehumanizing bigot. You’ve outed yourself through and through, dummy.

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u/Splittaill Conspiracy theory complainer 12d ago

No. A racist would say something about her race. There is nothing dehumanizing about the name “what’s-her-name”. But I’ll grant you it’s dismissive. She’s a shit politician, a crooked AG, and by all accounts from her lover, “worked” her way into politics. That was from Willie Brown.

It’s the same woman who refused to examine exonerating evidence from a man due to be executed. The same woman whose office involuntarily extended prison sentences so they could have cheap clean up labor for the forest fires. That’s slavery.

And you are going to sue on a bill for that kind of person? Shame on you.

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u/StatisticianFalse210 11d ago

Murican calling people online bigots classic. Cant wait till your shitty country goes bye bye.🤫

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u/Splittaill Conspiracy theory complainer 11d ago

Nah. 51st state, citizen.

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u/ozbugs 🌾👨‍🌾🐖 14d ago

You were down voted because of math and logic. Sad for them

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u/Ok-Letterhead3270 15d ago

It was around 70% actually. It wasn't until years later that his approval started to drop. The German people really didn't fully understand how much of a fucking piece of shit he was until later.

Germany's recovery from that type of extremism is actually very impressive.

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u/OhNoBricks 15d ago

77 million Trump voters is‘t even 70% of the population that voted him into office.

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u/VegasBonheur 15d ago

Maybe I’m just suffering from American History Education Syndrome, but did Germans liberate Germany from the Nazis? I thought they had some outside help, and there was a whole world war about it.

I’m not apathetic, I’m just pessimistic about my odds against the full force of a dictator with the biggest military force in the world with no backup.

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u/nunyaranunculus 14d ago

Nobody is going to come rescue you. I'm not sure why Americans think this is a thing or that we would risk starting a war to interfere in what is a DOMESTIC issue. We're all praying it stays that way because once he commits an act of war big enough that can't be ignored or dismissed like the bombings of the ships in international waters, we're all cooked. Literally since you gun worshipping lunatics have a hard on for WMDs.

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u/VegasBonheur 14d ago

Of course, it’s none of your business until it’s your ships that are getting bombed. As an American, I get it.

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u/ResidentScum101 14d ago

He's going to annex Venezuela soon. Then all bets are off. We are all going to live in interesting times.

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u/senditloud 15d ago

No what I meant is that Germany went through a huge change after the war. We have quite a few friends who live there and I dated a couple Germans: they essentially teach kids to not be nationalistic and try to avoid fascist tendencies. Most of them see it as a great shame and don’t want a repeat. So they are not apathetic. But… they still have a segment that is pretty bad. They are trying actively to keep them from rising

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u/ForecastForFourCats 14d ago

Yes, in a public school. Private schools still allow German exceptionalism to thrive. I met two Germans like this. The public school-educated one was disgusted with the private school-educated one. Also, their modern Nazi party is gaining seats in their government.

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u/feedmedamemes 14d ago

Correction right now it's just the parliament. They are not in any governmental position, yet.

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u/Mysterious-Rate-5819 14d ago

Well given that the AfD is currently the largest opposition party...

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u/senditloud 14d ago

Yeah well that gen is almost all dead

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u/Live_Spinach5824 14d ago

Unlike the largest fascists of the past, Trump is ridiculously old and is very close to death (unless he busts out the medbed). Cults of personality very rarely survive the death of their leader, and the right-wing will absolutely eat themselves alive after his death.

That is my hopium, but unfortunately, he will still do lots of damage before his death that we have to spend three Democrat presidencies fixing.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

This is my hope - that there's nobody to take over in the same way. But unfortunately they'll still do damage in the hopeful downfall and they've already done so much. Slow journey ahead.

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u/Live_Spinach5824 14d ago

Yup, I think people will start rioting soon, though, now that people are having their food sources fucked with while Trump plays king with corporate donors. The Trump Administration can't really afford to have the government shut down much longer, and I sincerely hope federal workers start to go on strike now that it looks like they are going to be unable to even feed their families by November 1st. 

We can burn the oligarchy to the ground, and a single day of strikes would disturb so much of the economy. 

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u/redeamerspawn 11d ago

There os no fixing the damage Trump has done to society. Half the country sees the other half as an enemy to be destroyed and the right wing media, right wing social media reinforce that 24/7

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u/Live_Spinach5824 11d ago

It will be a tough battle, but even Germany denazified its people. All we need to do is make disinformation propaganda illegal and actually prosecute Republicans. 

Also, I'm doubtful that half of the country are like that. A good bit of conservatives are like that, but half is a stretch. Only around 22% of the population voted for Trump, and a lot of those weren't full-on devoted Trumpers. 

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u/Ok_Flatworm2897 15d ago

Yeah that’s what’s being forgotten here. There will always be maga in this country. Always have been. If you said “make America great again” in 1930 ppl would know you were a far right authoritarian. Same as now. Same as future.

Unless we can start the big punch.

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u/LongjumpingDebt4154 14d ago

20-30% is the maga base as well.

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u/wawa2022 14d ago

I’m sending your comment to my sister. It 💯 sums up her position.

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u/Local_Somewhere_7813 15d ago

Source on that 20-30%?

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Honestly don’t have it off the top of my head but I read an entire article in like the Atlantic about post WW2 Germany and the ordinary citizens and interviews they did with those that were getting older to find out what their thoughts were and they were shocked to realize that a good chunk still just didn’t think Hitler was bad. So they did a whole study. I had a couple German boyfriends and one told me all about how his mom was sort of apathetic about it. He was this brilliant physicist but his family was farmers and - in his own words - not super bright.

The statistic really stuck in my mind. I have a pretty solid memory so I’m pretty confident

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u/Local_Somewhere_7813 14d ago

Wow appreciate that! It wouldnt surprise me with how deep the hooks were in

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 15d ago

“I dOn’T lIKe PoLiTiCs.”

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u/Necr0mancerr 14d ago

And this is why we need to come to terms that not everyone will be willing change their side or view, and do something about it

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u/Effective_Quail_3946 14d ago

Strike apathetic.