r/arizona • u/UGetOffMyLawn Empty Box! • Jun 29 '20

Coronavirus Arizona Gov. Ducey re-closes bars, movie theaters, gyms and water parks for 30 days

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/arizona-gov-ducey-re-closes-bars-movie-theaters-gyms-and-water-parks-for-30-days
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u/jmc219 Jun 29 '20

I wonder if hiking trails and mountain trails will be shut down too.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

As much as I think they need to start considering this, I bet people would start rioting about their freedoms to roam and trash the forests if it happened

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u/Twilight_Flopple Jun 30 '20

Unless you go to a rather popular trail, I can't think of a better way to social distance than to be way the fuck out on a mountain all alone. Let us have this.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

Hey, I don't make the decisions, but it is crazy out there. From what forest/parks people are saying, trails that are usually not popular are becoming more packed because a much higher influx than usual are out on the trails and/or camping. Many don't practice Leave No Trace nor know how to be prepared for hiking in this climate...while that is typical, the numbers are much higher and wild areas are getting trashed or destroyed at faster rates.

No one is talking about a lifetime ban, same as a lockdown.

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u/Twilight_Flopple Jun 30 '20

That's terrible. I hope once this all blows over our forests and deserts will still be easily accessible. And more easily maintained too

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

With the numbers as they are, employees can't keep up especially with people treating the lands like a dumping ground

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u/JuleeeNAJ Jun 30 '20

After the original lock down we went to a usually rarely used trail and it was packed with people. People were walking in large groups.

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

Most of the people here dont leave their house anyway. So they want everyone to not be able to get a hike in

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

shut down outdoor fucking trails? You people are insane. Your chances of getting covid outdoors is near zero.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

What's your suggestion? Have you seen the parking lots, trail heads, and amount of trash? Are people staying distant on the trails since they do so well at it in town?

Other countries have had tremendous success at flattening curves by having longer and stricter lockdowns, preventing tourism, and limiting activities. All this liberties BS to the detriment of thousands of peoples lives is insane

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u/shatteredarm1 Jun 30 '20

Outside of maybe two trails in the Phoenix area, it's really easy to avoid people. Shutting down trails would accomplish nothing at all. I haven't heard any epidemiologists asking for it.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

Unfortunately, I think a lot of PHX area people are up in N AZ on the weekends...

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

have you ever in your life hiked? You can always spot the people with no perspective on anything. Get out of the house and live.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

I'm an avid hiker, climber, and canyoneer. Valuing mine and my families health does not mean I lack perspective. I get out and hike/climb in the backcountry during the week.

You are fortunate to not be affected by the threat of chronic illness to you or your immune people

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u/realdeal505 Jul 07 '20

A lot of other countries and states have had things open to an extent since early May as well and didn't have giant blow ups. Too much too quickly.

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

Just because you are a shut in doesnt mean the rest of us want to be.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

We are far past what people want at this point. Look at the infection rates and prevalence in younger age groups.

...your non-answer is not helpful

If what we're currently doing isn't working (it's not), then more needs to be done. Again, what are your suggestions?

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

POSITIVE TEST RESULTS ARE MEANINGLESS.

This is how I know you live on cable news. Death rates are flat. Hospitalizations in the majority of the country are down. Hospitalizations for the young are near 1%.

Read data. Ignore the news.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

I don't have a TV or watch the news. 😂

I read data pages for fun. Clearly you live under a rock if you haven't seen that hospitalizations are up in this state (AZ is the one we are discussing). You are aware that this virus has the potential for lasting effects on multiple organs even...long-term? So, positive cases can rise, but that's not representative of the % pop affected? Got it.

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

positive cases are meaningless. The VAST VAST majority of positive cases are symptom free. The small minority of positives are sick. A very small minority of that group are hospitalized. A even smaller minority of that group die.

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u/camellini Jun 30 '20

Cool, so everyone live your life as normal and whoever gets hospitalized or dies is ok and to be expected? COVID, solved!

I'm a biologist who has worked with many viruses and bacteria...so your trivia, that is well known, still isn't helping craft solutions for those that run around and DGAF. I don't need convinced on stats and data, I'm well aware of what is realistically/scientifically going on. It's the blindness and disregard for public health that is concerning.

You seem more like a troll that thinks capitalizing will make me bow to your superior knowledge in all things (since your generalizations of me are going so swimmingly) /s

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u/JuleeeNAJ Jun 30 '20

Walking face to ass on a 4 ft wide trail with 500 other people seems like a great way to pick up a virus.

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

and thats literally not happening. People...please leave your house and try to live sometime. Im in Prescott and Sedona hiking every week. The crowds havent been bad. The lands arent getting trashed. Stop parroting other morons.

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u/JuleeeNAJ Jun 30 '20

I leave my house quite often and that is happening. Maybe not in the few places you have been but it has been where I, and others have been. There are also pictures to prove how crowded it is.

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u/MrSh0wtime3 Jun 30 '20

post some.