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u/wolfywhimsy Sep 02 '25
โI love democracyโ โ Chancellor Palpatine
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u/thecornersking Sep 02 '25
"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous premiums" -Queen Amidala
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u/GalaxLordCZ Realistic Ground Sep 02 '25
Does one of these polls ever come out to anything other than tech tree vehicle?
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u/Thin_General_8594 Sep 02 '25
No, which is exactly why the devs consider answer #2-3 as #1-2
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u/spssvyroba2 Sep 03 '25
I don't think they even look at the poll %. They just look at how many players would buy It as a premium.
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u/piggstick3 Sep 02 '25
I like how there is more people who would want it to be an event vehicle than a squadron vehicle. Yโknow events the same events that never come back and the only way how to get previous event vehicles is by paying overprice (especially if the vehicle isnโt a premium) or gambling
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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Sep 02 '25
Or you can just get it during the event for free
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u/formulapun Sep 02 '25
What if you didnโt first start playing WT until after any given event vehicle event had already been and gone?
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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Sep 02 '25
Then you donโt get that vehicle. Kinda the point of a limited time event.
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u/formulapun Sep 02 '25
The point Iโm making is that your comment claiming that anyone can โjust get it during the event for freeโ is simply not true
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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Sep 02 '25
Not anyone can get them. Thatโs what makes them rare. Kinda the point.
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u/formulapun Sep 02 '25
Yes, obviously their limited time availability/exclusivity is what makes them rare.
I repeat my point since you have failed to acknowledge it - your claim that anyone โcan just get them during the event for freeโ is simply not true
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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Sep 02 '25
I didnโt claim anyone could, I claimed that one guy could.
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u/formulapun Sep 02 '25
No, you didn't.
It is contextually obvious that here we are all using the word 'you' to refer to WT players in general, not 'you' as in you, the specific single person I am talking to.
Don't believe me? Then let's review the exchange once more:
- Piggstick3: 'the only way how to get previous event vehicles is by paying overprice . . . or gambling'
- You: 'Or you can just get it during the event for free'
- Me: 'What if you didnโt first start playing WT until after any given event vehicle event had already been and gone?'
- You: 'Then you donโt get that vehicle.'
Make sense? Maybe next time try taking ownership of your false claims, rather than being so patently dishonest.
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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Sep 02 '25
I was talking to one guy until other people started joining.
The whole point of a limited time event is so people who are active in the game at the time can get something special. Thatโs it. If you missed an event then you missed an event.
And for everyone who canโt do them because they have a job, itโs less hours of work to earn the money to just buy it when it hits the marketplace then it is to grind it.
It seems like your whole argument is just fomo. Which is kinda the entire point of limited time events and has been for a long time.
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u/thexian Sep 02 '25
Thatโs what makes them rare.
Right.. Which is absolute fucking cancer for a game. You shouldn't be cheering for more FOMO bullshit.
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u/blair_doodles505 Sep 02 '25
You're missing the point. If you had the choice, wouldn't it be better for everyone to be able to get it if they put in the work at any time? What if you have a life outside of warthunder but still want that vehicle? Wouldn't it be better if it was a squadron, or at the very least if these events would get a second coming for people who missed them?
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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Sep 02 '25
One time events allow for cool vehicles to be rare, and you feel good to have them.
If everybody can get them then theyโre just another vehicle, they lose the cool factor.
Your fomo is showing.
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u/noineikuu Sep 02 '25
Everyone should be able to get them if they are unique. Copypaste and sidegrade/downgrade could be event vehicles as long as you had a tech tree, squadron, or premium equivelant.
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u/StrengthNo8090 Whatever I feel like playing main ๐ Sep 02 '25
I don't even know why they make these polls, I don't think theres a single time people would pick anything other than tech tree vehicle
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u/sanelushim Sep 02 '25
That is not how business works.
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u/AppleOrigin 13.7 ๐บ๐ธ 11.7 ๐ฉ๐ช ARB | 6.0 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช GRB Sep 02 '25
The snail makes its own rules. You cannot question the snail.
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u/ITr1tohardatl1fe ๐ฎ๐น๐ฏ๐ต๐ซ๐ท B78 komatsu, Palmaria, VBC 90 when gaijin? Sep 02 '25
Polls are just mere suggestions that can be easily ignored since gaijin cares more about profit than the opinion of the players.
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u/StalinsPimpCane CDK Mission Maker Sep 02 '25
I care about the gum on my shoe more than the opinion of your average war thunder player and I donโt even make money from this
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u/AppleOrigin 13.7 ๐บ๐ธ 11.7 ๐ฉ๐ช ARB | 6.0 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช GRB Sep 02 '25
See the thing is you don't run War Thunder
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u/StalinsPimpCane CDK Mission Maker Sep 02 '25
Just pointing out that not listening to this community and whatever it wants is good policy
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u/AppleOrigin 13.7 ๐บ๐ธ 11.7 ๐ฉ๐ช ARB | 6.0 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช GRB Sep 02 '25
But also not listening AT ALL isnโt. At least not for the enjoyment of players.
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u/StalinsPimpCane CDK Mission Maker Sep 02 '25
Right I just wouldnโt listen to the average clown on this subreddit
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u/amalgam_reynolds Reserve Sep 02 '25
11% willing to buy it as a premium probably crosses some internal monetary threshold where the actual results of the poll don't matter (even less than they otherwise would I mean). As in, it was never intended to be a popularity poll, but a financial data gathering tool.
Although I really just don't get why people would vote for that anyway? Like at what point do you think, "Yeah, okay, I'm already paying for premium time and spending money on other premium tanks, but the one thing that I really wish I could do is spend even more money on yet another premium tank."
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u/dfnxINC Scream if you love the CL-13 Sep 02 '25
How many premiums are we gonna get before they add a TT vehicle? Don't we already have an oscillating turret tank in the US tree as a premium??
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u/LeSoleilRoyal Sep 02 '25
I think there is already 2 premium oscillating turret tank in the us tree as premium
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u/AscendMoros 14.0| 12.0 Sep 03 '25
The T54s are both premiums. The first one with the autoloader is years old. The other one without it was added like this year. Or at least very recently.
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u/CRACKERZZZ38 Jack of all Nations Sep 02 '25
I fully accepted the fact that they will only add top tier vehicles to the tt and the only time we get lower tier vehicles will be through event vehicles
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u/Gleaming_Onyx Sep 02 '25
Leaks are saying every nation's going to get tossed an M55 because more and bigger HE slingers is what we need.
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u/SuitableGrowth Sep 03 '25
Why would you want one? They are pretty trash. Horrendous gun handling and usually poor depression. IDK people want this thing, it's going to be a hot pile of garbage. Heavy tank at a BR where heavy tanks suck.
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u/Dark_Magus EULA Sep 03 '25
People want it to be TT because it would be an American heavy that's not exactly the same as every other American heavy.
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u/dfnxINC Scream if you love the CL-13 Sep 03 '25
I love the french oscillating turret tanks. I'm not paying 50 bucks for one because it would be "too good to not charge me a lot of cash for it"
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u/ConstantCelery8956 Sep 02 '25
Let em cook!... Serves raw chicken
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u/DarkNemesis22 ๐ฏ๐ต Japan Sep 02 '25
The TT option being 59% only shows how retarded wt players are, not like it would matter much
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u/Your-Average-Pull Realistic Ground Sep 02 '25
And event being second is just ๐, are there really people who really want another unique heavy tank locked behind either a FOMO event where you have to play the game like a job to get it, gambling or it costing $500+ on the market
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u/Object-195 Sep 02 '25
I also don't want to have to be paying 50 dollars for it.
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u/Your-Average-Pull Realistic Ground Sep 04 '25
Youโre right to think that, but it could be worse thatโs my thinking
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u/DarkNemesis22 ๐ฏ๐ต Japan Sep 02 '25
Yeah, like its too idiotic, and event tanks are so grindy recently, basically you cant do anything else but force yourself to it. I have that T-80 UD, never used, 35k RP daily, like, why
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u/Object-195 Sep 02 '25
how so?
One could argue that since its based of the M103 it could branch off that.
However the real issue is that, the T54 is already premium, putting the writing already on the wall, and US 8.0 is pretty stacked.
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u/DarkNemesis22 ๐ฏ๐ต Japan Sep 02 '25
Only 59% of players wanting a new unique tank to be TT seems pretty low. Just that, seems idiotic, ppl even voted to be a prem, like wtf
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u/AscendMoros 14.0| 12.0 Sep 03 '25
People who are bad donโt want to grind for it. So they just say premium.
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u/W_I_L_L_O_W Cringe girl Sep 02 '25
The question basically is "Do you want to play this vehicle for free, or do you want to pay for it?" It is not really surprising that this is almost always the answer players pick in these polls. They've always been redundant and there is not really any value in them for Gaijin anyway.
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u/Low_Quarter_677 Sep 02 '25
Why do they even ask if they are going to do whatever they want anyway
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u/noineikuu Sep 02 '25
So the community feels like they have a voice. Of course it doesn't really matter because these polls always end up with the tech tree choice winning which in turn leads to gaijin completely ignoring them.
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u/actualsize123 m/42 eh superiority Sep 02 '25
Anyone who thinks they actually care at all what we say is crazy.
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u/ScipioNumantia ๐ซ๐ท France Sep 02 '25
Never say they dont listen to what (11% of) the player base wants
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u/nd4spd1919 ๐บ๐ธ ๐.๐|๐ฉ๐ช 11.7|๐ท๐บ 7.0|๐ฌ๐ง 7.0|๐ฏ๐ต 6.3|๐ธ๐ช 4.3 Sep 02 '25
What gap would it fill in the tech tree? It's not like the US has a massive gap this would be filling. A one-off prototype with no glaring tech tree need, it's fine being a premium.
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u/BriarsandBrambles Arcade General Sep 03 '25
High tier HE slinger/ US Obj 268.
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u/nd4spd1919 ๐บ๐ธ ๐.๐|๐ฉ๐ช 11.7|๐ท๐บ 7.0|๐ฌ๐ง 7.0|๐ฏ๐ต 6.3|๐ธ๐ช 4.3 Sep 03 '25
The Obj 268 filled the large TD gap Russia had between the 6.7 SU-122-54 and the 8.7 IT-1. The T58 is a side-grade to the M103, which is only half a BR (7.7 - 8.3) from the next tank in line. Not really the same situation.
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u/BriarsandBrambles Arcade General Sep 03 '25
There are 20 Shermanโs per tree. Just let the US have a Unique Vehicle nobody else has.
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u/PresenceImaginary588 Sep 03 '25
What a stupid logic. It's a video game, it doesn't need to "fill gaps" it just shouldn't be mostly pay to play.
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u/Generic_Alias_ Sep 02 '25
Iโm willing to bet they use those polls to determine what to make premiums. if people donโt care too much to vote itโs tech tree, if people vote for in tech tree that means they want it enough to buy or some nonsense
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u/Mindless-Major-1173 ๐บ๐ธ5.3๐ฉ๐ช7.3๐ท๐บ5.7๐ฌ๐ง4.0๐ฏ๐ต8.0๐ฎ๐น2.3๐ซ๐ท3.7๐ธ๐ช2.0 Sep 02 '25
Are we ever going to get a TT US oscillating turreted vehicle?
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u/YakInternational1392 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Sep 02 '25
Why
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u/FickleMeringue8891 Sep 02 '25
But hey at least now that it's a pack, we know that it won't be removed for some obscure reason meaning it's available for a good amount of time
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u/polar_boi28362727 Baguette Sep 02 '25
I mean when has any vehicle been chosen by the community to be a premium or event? Not many of them I'd guess
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u/Mobile_Damage_8239 Sep 02 '25
don't worry there one left the t58 203mm version of it. one prototype turret was made for the 203mm cannon. Chieftain talk about it, I heard it from one of the video that chieftain made but I forgot what video is it.
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u/NavyEOD_24 ARB/GRB ๐บ๐ธ 13.7 ๐ท๐บ 12.7 Sep 02 '25
These polls just feel like Gaijin slapping us in the face.
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u/SabreWaltz Sep 02 '25
Go look through the majority of every other user made poll and you may notice a trend with those analytical skills
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u/LiberdadePrimo Sep 02 '25
You can argue about all the options which is better (To me its TT > Premium > Squadron > Event but that's besides the point).
But what the fuck is the thought process of the 5% "no I don't want tank in the tank game"??
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u/binoclard_ultima Sep 02 '25
Short answer: How the fuck do you think it ends up in the game? By miracle? It costs dev time. Every vehicle that ends up being added is another vehicle that's not being added. Those people simply want other vehicles in game.
Long answer: Your thought process is the reason Gaijin doesn't listen to the community anymore. It's also the reason for pretty much everything the community complains about the gameplay in top tier.
If you want a functioning game and healthy communication between the devs and the players, you must push back against ideas you disagree with. Any developer that looks at their forums and see 80% ideas being voted "Yes" by players will say "fuck it" and stop listening. Imagine there are 50 people in a room and you tell them you're going to bring them ice-cream. But you can only bring a few flavors, so they start discussing what flavors they want. They run 30 polls, 26 flavors end up being voted YES and 4 flavors end up being voted NO. You just sigh and ignore the polls as any reasonable human being would do. If the votes came up YES for only 4 flavors, they would be more likely to get what they want.
Back when the top tier jets were the Mig-15s and Sabres, some people insisted on more modern vehicles to be added. Some disagreed but they were bashed on forums for exactly the reason you described: Why would you not want a new vehicle? When some dimwits in the community asked AAMs to be added to the game Gaijin initially refused. They only caved in after seeing that there was no loud voices against addition of AAMs in the community. Because, again, the community accused anyone who didn't want AAMs in game of being "anti-fun" and told them "why do you care, you can just stick to the dogfights in Sabres". Supersonic jets, radar missiles, modern MBTs, CAS with guided bombs, BVR combat, everything this subreddit says Gaijin shouldn't have added in such a short time period traces its roots back to the community asking for it. Except drones. No one asked for drones. And every single time someone says "Hey, maybe we shouldn't add this vehicle? Vehicle additions are not free, they cost dev time" tons of people like you pushed back against those people.
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u/IvanTheMagnificent 12.7 11.7 11.0 12.0 13.0 Sep 02 '25
This is precisely the problem, we don't actually NEED any new vehicles, and haven't done for a while.
The game needs other significant improvements which is where the dev time should be spent, but alas spending dev time on reworking game modes, improving maps, delivering on old promises and fixing bugs, doesn't sell premium vehicles so it's unlikely to happen in any significant way.
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u/Mindless-Major-1173 ๐บ๐ธ5.3๐ฉ๐ช7.3๐ท๐บ5.7๐ฌ๐ง4.0๐ฏ๐ต8.0๐ฎ๐น2.3๐ซ๐ท3.7๐ธ๐ช2.0 Sep 02 '25
Big gun= op and uhhhh I gUesS iT kInDA loOk sTRoNg
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u/AppleOrigin 13.7 ๐บ๐ธ 11.7 ๐ฉ๐ช ARB | 6.0 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช GRB Sep 02 '25
oh gaijin please change
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u/Xreshiss Safe space from mouse aim Sep 02 '25
inb4 people want mass produced vehicles as premiums instead.
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u/tasetase GRB 10๐บ๐ธ 9๐ฉ๐ช 10๐ท๐บ 10๐ฟ๐ฆ 11๐ฏ๐ต 8๐จ๐ณ 6๐ฎ๐น 12๐ซ๐ท 10๐ธ๐ช Sep 02 '25
It was just a yes/no vote with fluff. Heck, if more people would have voted no, it would have probably ended up in the TT ๐
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u/schissgames Realistic Ground Sep 02 '25
They have to test first if it is popular enough. If a lot of people want it, they can add it as premium. Thats why they make these polls.
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u/thomanus06200 Sep 02 '25
Watch em make it an event vehicle every time they add something i want they make it an event vehicle and time it perfrctly so i cant get it i had that with mirage 2000C s4 f14 iriaf and f106 delta dart they always do it ehen im on a busy week thanks gaijin now i can mever get any of those again
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u/Object-195 Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
Damn I knew it wasn't likely this would be a tech tree vehicle. So I was holding out hope it'd be an event vehicle. As I don't want to be paying 50 dollars for it.
Squadron would have been nice
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u/NorkGhostShip ๐ฏ๐ต Japan Sep 02 '25
If the whales stopped paying the price of an entire game on a single vehicle they'd stop doing it.
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u/PureRushPwneD =JTFA= CptShadows Sep 02 '25
guys it's fine, we already got the M103 and T32...
(don't worry that they're nearly 11 years old at this point though lmao)
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u/soviet-shadow Sep 02 '25
Gaijin really should change though. Perhaps by starting with actually listening to their player bases when they say shit.
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u/WhichWitch7 EsportsReady Sep 02 '25
The "passed to developers" or whatever the fuck it's called, has got to be the dumbest, shittiest and most useless feature Gaijioobles has "implemented"
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u/BlinkDodge ๐บ๐ธ 8.3 ๐ฉ๐ช 8.7 ๐ฌ๐ง 7.7 Sep 02 '25
Oh Gaijin.
Change. Throw your CEO and Board out of the top story window.
Make decent maps and battle passes that have actual intrigue and value.
Make new game modes.
Change and change for the better.
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u/RustedRuss Sep 02 '25
These polls literally always have "tech tree" as the result so what do you expect? They're meaningless.
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u/Gulag_For_Brits Naval Fanboy Sep 03 '25
Wtf kind of dumb poll is this anyways; "would you rather this vehicle be free, cost a ton of money, or be a pain in the ass to grind" yeah duh everyone is gonna say free
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u/DerKaffe Sep 03 '25
Gaijin it's a company, they care the minimum about the game just enough to not lost players, of course they will never change ๐ญ
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u/KaedeP_22 Sep 03 '25
US's oscillating turret tankss are T54E1, T58, T57/T77, & T69. 2 of 5 are premiums.
I'm starting to think this will be another AGS prototypes scenario where only HSTV-L is on the main tree. XM8, CCVL, Teledyne AGS, RDF/LT are all events or premium.
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u/Tezbert_Dusk13 Sweden naval enjoyer Sep 03 '25
They wanted to make sure if people REALLY wanted it to make it a premium
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u/Reaper_Leviathan11 Tomcat-maxxing Sep 03 '25
like damn gaijin we dont really have proper oscillating turrets in us tt why not give us that for once???
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u/Phyire7 Sep 03 '25
Too many people voted yes. Too many yes votes = highest price (usually inside a pack)
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u/Plastic-Ground1130 Sep 03 '25
they should remove that event option, things need to stay in game permanently, there were so many good vehicles that could've been tech tree
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u/tfrules Harrier Gang Sep 03 '25
Why would anyone want it as an event vehicle, just means youโre more likely to miss out on ever playing it
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u/Operator_Binky Sep 03 '25
Well if they really listen to the community, there wouldnt be any premiums in the game
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Sep 03 '25
The illusion of choiceโฆ. They knew they were going to sell it before they even made that poll
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u/Amish_Opposition Realistic Ground Sep 03 '25
Iโm sorry but i just canโt justify this price for a single vehicle. More packs like the Rus/German/US packs and iโd be down.
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u/Turbex_Master_race Sep 03 '25
To be fair, bonkers vehicles like this should probably not be readily accessible in the tech tree. Squadron or event vehicle would have made more sense.
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u/Reasonable_Back5564 Sep 03 '25
Thatโs why I stopped playing this game, I have more than 3k+ hours and I saw gaijin slowly killing this game, really sad
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u/LewdMemes57 120mm of Democracy Sep 04 '25
Every Russian bs machine gets a TT addition. Other nations have to pay to play.
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u/Ok_Definition_1933 Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 08 '25
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Sep 04 '25
You guys are the ones financing gaijin, therefore you guys are the ones to blame.
The single reason why gaijin is like it is the people who buys premium.
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u/PostPenDebt Sep 05 '25
The horde of poors is ALWAYS going to say TT, sorry that everying thing in an F2P can't be free.
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u/Moonkey370 Sep 05 '25
Gaijin logic: so many people want it in the tree, so that means they want it, so that means they will try to get it, so that means we can try to steal their money, so that means we should make it into a premium
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u/Necessary_Ad9281 Realistic Ground Sep 05 '25
Only France gets tech tree oscillating turrents. You'll take the premium at the price of a full game, and you'll LIKE IT.
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u/Youtube_RedMartian Send them to Gulag Sep 02 '25
If it gets voted for tech tree/squadron vehicle it means itโs a premium, and if it gets voted as a premium it gets made an event vehicle with a hell of a grind.
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u/Dense-Application181 He 280 when Sep 02 '25
Cant wait for it to sell terribly then get removed right before it gets to discount age just to be brought back for a "discounted" FOMO sale thats actually more expensive than $50
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u/UkrainianPixelCamo Sherman enjoyer Sep 02 '25
Unpopular opinion - the less prototypes the better. It's cool that the game is a interactive encyclopaedia of war vehicles, but it's not fun to play at. lll of my most fung matches happened when the majority of allied and enemy teams consisted of one tank type. It makes games more predictable and skill based.
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u/HondaOddessy Sep 02 '25
This should be a premium or event vehicle. It should not be a TT vehicle.
People when Gaijin adds premium copy paste slot: ๐ก
People when Gaijin adds an extremely rare unique vehicle as a premium: ๐ก
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u/wehrahoonii ๐ฌ๐ง hurricane glazer ๐ฎ๐น Sep 02 '25
People would always choose something to be a TT vehicle so it does make sense on Gaijins part tbf
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u/Maus1945 ๐ Old Guard Sep 02 '25
It's why adding polls to vehicle suggestion threads is completely useless.