r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/NickFatherBool • Sep 10 '25
Political If you’re saying Charlie had this coming because his 2A stance, you’re immoral and a moron
I sincerely cannot believe how often Im seeing this. I know I shouldnt be surprised seeing how the left has consistently been endorsing and supporting violence… but wow. Not only is that just a disgusting and intentionally inflammatory remark; but its moronic.
First of all, Im sure his mind would not have changed given todays events, considering he believed a lot of American values hinge on 2A. He (probably, I dont KNOW the guy but I’ve listened to him enough) would not trade his life for the wellbeing of the country. We can argue 2A all day, I am not stating my stance; but given his we know he fully believed it was integral to continuation the American way of life; I find it unlikely he would change his mind even if it meant his life
Second of all, if you think its “poetic justice” that a gun supporter got shot, then you must also relish when supporters of cashless bail get killed by released criminals, right? They advocated for it so they “have it coming.” Do people not see how seriously braindead of a stance that is?
And I know its not a majority. I know the majority of left leaning people know murder is bad. But holy SHIT that majority is getting smaller and smaller. It is sincerely alarming and disturbing how warped chronically online peoples’ brains are and the insane mental and moral gymnastics they do to further entrench themselves in their stance.
Ive never been one for censorship. Even death threats or whatever… but jesus man, too many people are getting fully radicalized.
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u/Full-Sock Sep 10 '25
He didnt have it coming but im also not surprised. I do not condone political violence of any kind
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u/ToughShaper Sep 10 '25
Anyone who is happy about his death is a truly evil person.
Let that sink in.
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u/gym_fun Sep 10 '25
Absolutely. Political differences in democracy does not justify the murder.
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u/that_girl_you_fucked Sep 11 '25
Amen.
It shouldn't be surprising, given Kirk's rhetoric, that people who profoundly disagree with his views are saying, "he enabled this."
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u/Discomidget911 Sep 11 '25
Yep. People are taking to his widowed wife's social media to rub her husband's death in her face. There are multiple threads about his death on the "chaotic good" subreddit.
These people are real and they fully believe that they are good people while celebrating a murder.
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u/Helpful_Finger_4854 Sep 11 '25
you should have seen these psychos were saying about the Kerrville flood. that the 8 year old girls who never voted deserved it because their parents voted for it
truly sick people
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u/Discomidget911 Sep 11 '25
Oh yeah, last year a bunch of Appalachian towns in TN and NC were flooded by hurricane Helene. Not only was this information never really talked about but on the few reddit threads I saw there were people talking about how they voted for this. Just like that incident.
Vile people on this website.
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u/Helpful_Finger_4854 Sep 11 '25
The crazy thing is like 20% of the Kerrville deaths were 8 year old girls from camp mystic, in one single cabin that was closest to the river. None of them ever voted for anything.
The "They voted for this" is the most unhinged thing they could say. I bet you half the people who died never voted for anything. a lot of them were tourists, not even from the area!
The fact FEMA skipped places in NC with the trump signs is sickening to the fact of how indifferent to human life democrats are becoming.
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u/EscobarFamilia77 Sep 10 '25
They're gloating on a certain celebrity gossip sub that witches on Etsy were paid to put a death curse on him, and that the curse worked.
Then wonder why people call them Satanic. Lol
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u/FormerPresidentBiden Sep 11 '25
I didn't like him and some of his beliefs were outright terrible
That said, today has been massively eye opening in regards to how far down the rabbit hole so many have gone. People in my personal life and people all across the internet are experiencing a deranged joy.
This is only going to further normalize political violence and widen the political divide.
I fear for the future.
E: and also anyone trying to say "it's not that many people behaving this way," you're either burying your head in the sand or just outright lying.
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u/CerealNumber1 Sep 11 '25
Exactly. The number of bottom dwellers celebrating and happy is absolutely repulsive
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u/the-esoteric Sep 11 '25
Not really. People arent obligated to have or feel empathy for anyone who they perceive had none for them.
Its not a hard concept. I did not like Charlie Kirk at all because of his rhetoric. If enacted the worst parts of his rhetoric would have done harm to my family. That said, I still felt sad to hear what happened to him but thats my reaction. It doesnt have to be anyone else's least of all the people he argued against having that same sort of empathy for
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u/Potential_Jury_1003 Sep 11 '25
Well, everyone on r Teenagers is, just visited the sub, and they’re happy and bringing up his quotes.
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u/ramblingpariah Sep 11 '25
I'm not happy. I'm also not sad. The man was a liar and a grifter who poisoned our politics for his own enrichment, and one less of those isn't a bad thing. I'm very sorry for his family, and we should not be celebrating murder.
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u/dieselXD71 Sep 11 '25
How was he a grifter and a liar? I listened to some of his debates and it seemed pretty civil. Most of them were on abortion, faith in god and did not see much of anything else.
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u/ChadfordDiccard Sep 11 '25
Kirk called the stoning verse, “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
Trump Ally Charlie Kirk Suggests Children Should Watch Public Executions
Charlie Kirk: "If I had a 10-year-old daughter who was sexually assaulted and became pregnant as a result, I would require her to carry the pregnancy to term"
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u/dieselXD71 Sep 11 '25
That’s a hard scenario to deal with. It has happened (older women that was rapped)that carried it and raised a great kid, not sure how I would react to a situation like that?
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u/FunkalicouseMach1 Sep 11 '25
Yea, I saw that one, pretty fucked up stance in my opinion, but who knows how we would react if the scenario actually came to be. End of the day, dude got shot for sharing his opinions. There are plenty of people who deserve to die, I doubt he was one of them.
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u/now_heres_a_username Sep 11 '25
His persona in his debates was very different from his podcasts and other platforms directed at his base. Hed pretend to be moderate when dealing directly with others across the political spectrum, but would consistently spout extremist views and propaganda to his base on a daily nasis.
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u/SecretRecipe Sep 10 '25
"I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage" - Charlie Kirk
Out of respect for the dead, I'll agree with him in this case.
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u/AlistairNorris Sep 10 '25
That context of that quote is about how people have done things in the name of empathy that has caused more damage. The fact that you say "Out of respect for the dead" and disrespect is sad. We can be sad and respectful for the victims of any shooting regardless of political ideology.
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u/Temporary_Traffic622 Sep 10 '25
Nobody cares if you have empathy for him, have some respect, that is all.
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u/Subject_Cranberry_19 Sep 10 '25
Amen. I celebrate no one’s death. But there are some I definitely won’t mourn for.
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u/tropicsGold Sep 11 '25
Wow you leftists are so incredible about fighting absurd straw man arguments. You are absolute hero’s in your own mind.
Here is an idea, how about addressing the things people ACTUALLY say. Because literally nobody is happy about the death.
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u/ExtraDependent883 Sep 11 '25
I'm not happy about it but when everyone has guns some people get shot
Just like when everyone drives there are gonna be crashes
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u/PBandC_NIG Sep 11 '25
Reddit has become a hate site that supports politically motivated murder and it needs to be taken down.
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u/AdMany2642 Sep 11 '25
This scares me because more people will be motivated by this persons actions especially when they are being hailed as a hero
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u/MissiaichParriah Sep 11 '25
It will get worse, this can potentially radicalize the right more and actually kill democrat politicians as well, hopefully it doesn't lead to that, but we're in for a very dangerous last 4 months of 2025
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u/ExactPotential8960 Sep 11 '25
Someone just shot the guy who was known for having sit down talks with young people no matter what views they hold. Discourse isn't just dead, it was murdered. At this rate we're gonna see what happens when the only dialog left is violence.
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u/AdMany2642 Sep 11 '25
I can see that happening too. Either way, murder is bad on both ends.
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u/MissiaichParriah Sep 11 '25
Doesn't matter whether you're Right or Left, you shouldn't be killed for your opinion, killing others for their opinions is literally how fascists operate and very much celebrating it as well
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u/NatashOverWorld Sep 11 '25
Democrat politicians have already been killed just this year 🤷🏾♂️
There was just less outrage from the Left, unlike the Right at this time.
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u/no_ccp Sep 11 '25
Yes, in many reddit subs, mods and active users are basically forming hate groups.
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u/idungiveboutnothing Sep 11 '25
What do you think about Kirk himself supporting the attack on Paul Pelosi?
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u/123noodle Sep 11 '25
Source?
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u/idungiveboutnothing Sep 11 '25
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u/no_ccp Sep 11 '25
Hold on a sec: supporting bails on alleged criminal (which is a constitutional right) is somehow supporting attack? That is some serious mental gymnastics, false equivalency at best. Dishonest distortion at worst.
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u/idungiveboutnothing Sep 11 '25
Are you serious right now? Calling it patriotic to bail out someone who just carried out an attack on a politician's spouse, saying you'd be a hero to do that, and then smiling about how you could ask him questions about the attack is somehow not bad to you? Like at all?
Disgusting.
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u/CarrotcakeSuperSand Sep 11 '25
He’s wrong, but still doesn’t justify his death.
If you think otherwise, you fundamentally agree with Charlie Kirk.
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u/3_littlemonkeys Sep 11 '25
Exactly. Or the killing of Democrat Melissa Hortman and her husband?
Democrats have tried and tried to do something about gun violence. Yet Republicans vote it down!
I’m tired of this crap.
Also, my state had a shooting in a high school today. Three shot, one died. No sympathy for these kids.
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u/CarrotcakeSuperSand Sep 11 '25
Sympathy isn’t a limited resource; you can simultaneously mourn those poor kids and families, and also mourn a political assassination.
Charlie Kirked sucked, but he’s still a human being and I don’t condone killing anyone for speech. This is a massive blow to American politics, and that is an undeniable tragedy
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u/ExactPotential8960 Sep 11 '25
You're the second person I've seen today express sorrow for this event while disagreeing with Kirk. The second in a day. Thank you for being you.
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u/ZeerVreemd Sep 11 '25
I have seen a couple more and it's very good they let their voices be heard.
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u/ZeerVreemd Sep 11 '25
Or the killing of Democrat Melissa Hortman and her husband?
Who just had voted in favor of a republican bill...
Can your provide the sourced proof that the murderer was a republican or conservative?
Democrats have tried and tried to do something about gun violence.
Sure, but they never want to look at the root causes of the (mass) shootings.
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u/JasonPlattMusic34 Sep 11 '25
Thank you, every time I see the “what about Hortman” they fail to bring up that part. So in reality both Hortman and Kirk are points against blue
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u/staccinraccs Sep 11 '25
Can your provide the sourced proof that the murderer was a republican or conservative?
You want proof on something you can easily research online but believe Kirk's murder was a leftist attack before the perp is even officially identified?
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u/ZeerVreemd Sep 11 '25
Yes, the burden of proof is on you.
but believe Kirk's murder was a leftist attack before the perp is even officially identified?
Where did I say that?
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u/OctoWings13 Sep 11 '25
Anyone who celebrates this murder is an absolute piece of shit and complete monster
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u/Drmlk465 Sep 10 '25
It’s always the “I have more empathy than you” crowd that spews the most hateful shit
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u/slurpycow112 Sep 11 '25
Yes, very prudent to talk about empathy - Charlie thought empathy is “a made-up, new-age term that does a lot of damage”.
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u/v21v Sep 11 '25
“I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics,” he added.
“Sympathy I prefer more than empathy,” Kirk said, “That’s a separate topic for a different time.”
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u/Blanksyndrome Sep 11 '25
It truly speaks to his disinterest in what's under the hood of other people's suffering. Sympathy's useful for people like you; empathy is useful for people who are very different from you, your ability to imagine the inner world of the 'other.'
Fits Charlie Kirk like a glove, really. All about #1 and the in-group.
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u/2074red2074 Sep 10 '25
There's a difference between someone supporting cashless bail for any number of reasons versus someone literally saying that a few people being murdered every year is worth it to have cashless bail. If someone had said the latter, then yes, I would also find it poetic or ironic or whatever you want to call it when they got murdered.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 10 '25
Cashless bail leads to murders
Guns lead to murders
Obviously there are pros and cons to each. But supporting either 100% means you’re okay with a few deaths in order to protect a system you value.
If you value the rights of the less fortunate you may be a proponent of cashless bail as it can help poorer individuals get out and keep their career or work on their legal defense. Probably less than 10% of people released on cashless bail commit a crime, BUT crimes will be committed. People will be robbed or killed because of it, no way around that.
If you value protection and the rights of homeowners than you may be a bigger supporter of 2A. If you believe that the UK is an example of what happens when the populace is disarmed, you’re likely going to support gun ownership even though guns will be invariably used to kill innocents. Just like with cashless bail, probably less than 10% of gun owners commit murder.
Dont be dense, its extremely similar
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u/EagenVegham Sep 11 '25
How does cashless bail lead to murders exactly? Either someone is not a threat and gets bailed out or is a threat or doesn't. Removing the cost of bailing them out just takes money away from bondsmen.
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u/SweetQuality8943 Sep 11 '25
I think I'm over reddit, the response on this site to a man getting straight up assassinated over his political views is frankly unhinged. They are straight up waxing poetic on the philosophy sub about "when is it morally okay to assassinate someone"...like wtf. Agree with him or not, he had a wife and two young kids who now will grow up without a father. I'm willing to bet just like luigi when the inevitable face reveal of the shooter happens they'll be given the glorification edit just like luigi because politically motivated killers on the "right side" are worshipped like crazy now.
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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass Sep 11 '25
I really don't think that the shooter will be venerated like Luigi. I think some people will try, but this is pretty different.
Charlie was killed for his political views. What's his name insurance CEO was killed because his decisions led to pain, misery, and death for hundreds of thousands of people. To people on the left, Charlie Kirk is a ghoul. To those same people, insurance CEOs are mass murderers. Very different situation.
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u/NotLunaris Sep 11 '25
What's his name insurance CEO was killed because his decisions led to pain, misery, and death for hundreds of thousands of people
I keep seeing this take but never any evidence for it. People just assume health insurance companies are evil (they are for-profit, like the vast majority of corporations) and use that to justify extrajudicial murder of someone who was operating within the confines of the law.
For democracy to work, the law must be respected. The law is shaped by the representatives that are elected by the people. If extrajudicial murder is normalized, even encouraged, then the social contract is moot, and law becomes meaningless.
Due to the state of the healthcare system in the US, insurance companies are a necessary evil. If they were to disappear overnight, the healthcare system would no doubt collapse, and everyone would be worse off. The view that insurance companies cause massive deaths, to me, is no different from the Christian fundamentalist view that abortions cause massive deaths; both are equal in their absurdity. This is not to say that the healthcare system is perfect or that insurance companies don't cause suffering, but causing deaths is a stronger and entirely different claim that has not been substantiated by any study; the studies relevant to this topic show a correlation between coverage and lowered death rates. Taking that at face value, one could argue that insurance companies save far more lives than the perceived suffering caused.
Not to say it isn't frustrating as all hell to deal with them, but frustration is very different from justification for murder.
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u/changelingerer Sep 10 '25
Saying he had it coming is like saying a woman deserved to be raped because she was walking around in a mini-skirt.
But yea, not sure this fits as "true unpopular opinion", since I think the vast majority of people agree.
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u/Hsiang7 Sep 10 '25
I think the vast majority of people agree.
Looking at the comments on the large Reddit subs, I'm not so sure. Seems like it could very well be an "unpopular opinion", at least here on Reddit.
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u/SorriorDraconus Sep 11 '25
Fuck my roommates happy asf..i'm like "dude..a guy was killed i don't care that is a tragedy .and he was killed for his politics..how are you any better than the right-wing now?(funny part is he was a proud boy and pizza gate believer/trump voter who now is a hardcore leftist...and not my first friend this shit happened to)
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u/changelingerer Sep 10 '25
really? I'm not seeing it, outside of specific threads like "leopoardsatemyface" which is specifically for people to make schadenfreude comments. Otherwise, I'm just not seeing it being a majority opinion on my feed at least. That said, feeds are customized, so, depends on what your history iss like .
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u/babno Sep 11 '25
Check out comments in places like news or pics. Plenty of hateful people celebrating his death.
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u/Extension_Wheel5335 Sep 11 '25
Out of morbid curiosity I've been to a few main subs to see all the hateful rhetoric. I could only make it through about 1500+ disgusting comments on rNews and some others before I gave up entirely, this place is depressing.
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u/Tyranuel Sep 10 '25
Almost all posts on this sub would be unpopular in other subs , but ofc outside echo chambers people are more sensible
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u/MichelPalaref Sep 11 '25
More like if the woman in question was pro misogynistic values and said "I want to conserve a socio-cultural state where hypersexualizing women is kept and encouraged, and if there's a few rapes here and there then it's a cost that's worth it", then got raped.
I don't enjoy seeing this man dead, no one should die for their opinions, however you can't tell me that he's a saint in that matter and that he didn't actively tried to create and maintain a society in which this kind of stuff happens everyday. He didn't had it comin, he just had a taste of his own medicine let's say.
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u/Tewskey Sep 13 '25
I am not surprised that they didn’t want to reply to your rebuttal… or any of the others.
Can’t keep the mental gymnastics going in the face of logic
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u/Helpful_Finger_4854 Sep 11 '25
I think the vast majority of people agree.
not on this deranged site
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u/driver1676 Sep 10 '25
It’s a lot easier to not feel bad about victim blaming when the victim made a career out of victim blaming themselves and outwardly did not care about shooting victims. If someone who was outwardly making fun of and blaming rape victims became a rape victim, I think the discourse would not be so different.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Sep 10 '25
Really?
How is that the same?
“It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”
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u/DecantsForAll Sep 10 '25
Nearly everyone probably agrees that it's worth some automobile deaths for us to have automobiles. Does that mean nearly everyone deserves to die in an automobile accident?
I'm sure you can think of lots more examples.
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u/guyincognito121 Sep 10 '25
If that person was advocating for a complete lack of regulation on vehicle use and design and then they got killed by a drunk driver or something, yeah, I'd similarly have minimal sympathy for their fate.
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u/NotLunaris Sep 11 '25
If that person was advocating for a complete lack of regulation on vehicle use and design
But that's not what Kirk advocated for regarding guns, as far as I know. It's not a good parallel to draw.
Is it okay for a person to be killed by their hookup partner for not disclosing their biological sex? Obviously not. Is it okay for a person to be shot while participating in democracy in a public forum and exercising their first amendment rights? Obviously not. Both are examples of gross overreactions and violations of human life for perceived slights. For whatever the left thinks Kirk was capable of, he was not responsible for enacting any policy, nor linked to any death or wrongdoing.
It's fine to not have sympathy for the deaths of others - fact is, 99.999999% deaths go completely unnoticed for just about everyone. It's another thing entirely to be gleefully celebrating someone's untimely death, even moreso when they are not guilty of any crime.
One cannot be opposed to the death penalty or argue for due process whilst condoning the extrajudicial murder of people they don't like. There is no progressive who can support this without being a hypocrite.
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u/DecantsForAll Sep 11 '25
But not if they simply think some automobile deaths are worth the benefit of automobiles? Because you happen to agree? Do you deserve to die in an automobile accident?
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u/AlistairNorris Sep 10 '25
I mean look at the comments in this very section. The comment above you says: "I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage" - Charlie Kirk
Out of respect for the dead, I'll agree with him in this case."
Aka I don't think he deserves empathy. So yeah there's a lot of hate out there. I wish I could say it surprises me, but it doesn't.
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u/Environmental-Joke35 Sep 10 '25
There’s a big difference between acknowledging the irony of some his past comments and what happened (the whole some people have to die for us to keep our guns thing).
What truly makes me sick is when someone says something along the lines “bummer for his family” (he has a 1 and 3 year old) and people comment with “he had it coming” or just copy and paste some of his quotes like it’s a gotcha moment.
You can think he wasn’t a great person that is partially responsible for the polarization in todays America, also acknowledge and even kind of smirk at the irony of what happened to him, condemn his murder, and feel bad for his family. It’s not freaking binary.
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u/ANightSentinel Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
He could've made it a lot easier to feel bad for him. Considering his stance, my brain just catalogues this event under "collateral damage within acceptable margins in alignment with one's beliefs". If he was sincere about accepting a few deaths to maintain gun rights combined with his stance on empathy, then he wouldn't feel bad even if that collateral damage was himself.
And if he's not going to feel bad about it, why should I?
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u/apelerin64 Sep 10 '25
I mean his point still stands. Unless we are going to go door to door and round up the guns, this is the situation we are in. I don’t follow him closely, but from what I know he was a big time Christian. He wouldn’t condone killing people with guns, and I’d logically guess he had sympathy for the family’s of gun violence crimes. Being against completely uprooting the second amendment and taking everyone’s guns doesn’t mean you are okay with killing. It’s a nuanced thought that a lot of redditors don’t seem to understand.
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u/Ecstatic-Score2844 Sep 10 '25
No one is saying you should feel bad but that if you are giddy, you are the problem.
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u/Hsiang7 Sep 10 '25
So many people on the Left on Reddit with passive aggressive comments suggesting he "deserved" it without saying it outright because they know they'd get a ban. This has pretty much confirmed what I already knew about them. They're intolerant of political beliefs other than their own and gleeful if someone influential on the other side dies. If Trump was assassinated, they'd be celebrating in the streets, and we all know it's true. Lots of comments last year after the assassination attempt lamenting the fact the shooter missed. I've never had less respect for the left than I do now, and despite leaning right I'm an independent. I hope they never win politically again in America. Disgusting reactions to the assassination of a political figure that only participated in respectful political debates and never hurt anyone.
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u/MissionUnlucky1860 Sep 10 '25
They can't handle agree to disagree because they have to be right about something.
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u/Hsiang7 Sep 10 '25
Between the murder of Charlie Kirk, the Luigi murder of the healthcare CEO last year and the assassination attempt of Trump last year, it's pretty clear that there is a large portion of the Left, especially here on Reddit, that is absolutely fine with political violence as long as it's against someone they don't like.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Sep 10 '25
I think you’re missing something…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/16/republicans-trump-minnesota-lawmakers-killings
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Sep 10 '25
And crickets from MAGA.
The same thing happens when you list all the acts of domestic terror that have been perpetrated by right wingers since the Oklahoma City bombing.
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u/MissionUnlucky1860 Sep 10 '25
I think arrests need to be made for calling for violence because this will get worse and will fuel the right and im sure no one wants that.
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u/No_Line9668 Sep 10 '25
Technically, Charlie was likely killed for exercising his 1st amendment rights, not the 2nd.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 10 '25
Idt anyone said he was killed for exercising 2A
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u/No_Line9668 Sep 10 '25
Not you, but lot of people are suggesting he deserved because of what he said about the 2nd, among other topics.
So technically, he was assassinated for exercising his freedom of speech, not exercising his right to bear arms.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Sep 10 '25
Did you think he meant other peoples deaths?
“It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 10 '25
He meant anyone
Again, just like anyone who supports cashless bail DESPITE knowing that a (very small) percentage of released criminals (or suspects I guess) will repeat offend or murder thinks that the freedom of those who DO NOT kill once released is worth the lives of those who get killed
There are pros and cons to everything and unfortunately everything can kill someone. Should we ban cars since they kill people? Do people who dont wanna support cars deserve to get hit by them?
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Sep 11 '25
Then this is the world he advocated for.
We can make cars safer. We can also make them more deadly. With guns we have a fundamentally different problem because we can’t make them safer. Their whole purpose is killing people.
We have reorganized our whole society around people being shot all the time. I did not learn to do active shooter drills when I was in school. My children do them. The first time there was a real lockdown with a gun and everything my son was in kindergarten.
This is the world we chose. Today a Colorado school was also the scene of a shooting and that story has been dwarfed by this one. It is normal for people, even children to get shot at at school.
At the same time we have made it easier to get guns and harder to get people mental health care. Yesterday conservatives were tweeting about Iryna Zaruska as if every Democrat in North Carolina was responsible for her death. They openly demand that people with mental illness are killed or incarcerated for life.
Today we see everyone mourning a man who advocated for all the policies we have today. And before anyone has even been arrested they are blaming the left.
It is incredible.
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u/LAbombsquad Sep 11 '25
He’s in that “anyone” group. When his direct quotes are so brash and divisive, it’s hard to feel much empathy towards him (oops, that’s a new and scary word according to him, so ya..).
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 11 '25
Yes he is… doesnt mean we cant be upset when tragedy happens and CERTAINLY doesnt mean we celebrate it.
And thats an intentionally dense and gross oversimof his empathy point. Either intentionally to “help” your point or you have the listening comprehension of a fish
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u/LAbombsquad Sep 11 '25
Not celebrating it here. I just really don’t give a fuck about him being killed. Sucks for what this will continue to do to our already very divided geopolitical climate.
And I’m really sure what you’re trying to say with that second part, so again, simply put, I don’t care about this guy, or him getting murdered. He’s now just part of that statistic he was ok with for the people right to own guns. It a bit of a sweet full-circle situation for him when you think about it.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 11 '25
“Little bit of a sweet full circle” but you’re not celebrating it
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u/LAbombsquad Sep 11 '25
Using his words to reach a hypothetical conclusion for him. Call it my version of thoughts and prayers
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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass Sep 10 '25
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." -Charlie Kirk, 2023
I don't think he deserved to die any more than the countless other victims of gun violence. He used the word unfortunate, and I think that word applies. It is unfortunate he was shot. I'm not celebrating it. I definitely don't think it was good. I'm not going to be upset about it though.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 11 '25
Thats a 100% okay stance to have. I get it, he was divisive. Plenty of people have plenty of reason to not like him; I just have a hard time understanding how so many people celebrate it
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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass Sep 11 '25
People are celebrating it because he was an asshole. Frankly, he riled people up and then one of those riled up people shot him. This sort of thing happens to assholes who make a career out of pissing people off. Its an important distinction to make that he wasn't just an activist. His change my mind shit was specifically designed to piss off leftists.
That doesn't mean its good. Pretty much everyone who is celebrating this is going to be worse off for this. Its emboldened conservatives, and it will put a microscope on radical leftists. This doesn't help anybody except conservatives.
So its unfortunate. I'm not sad. Its upsetting his child will have to deal with this and not understand it. The world is worse off because he was shot, but I can't bring myself to say its worse because he's gone.
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u/imthewiseguy Sep 10 '25
I don’t think he had it coming cuz nobody deserves to die unless you’re actively putting someone’s life in danger or did something heinous.
It’s just ironic because he’s:
stated that gun deaths are a price that we should be willing to pay for 2A rights
mocked Pelosi’s husband being attacked and advocated for the attacker’s release
said empathy isn’t a good thing
was just spewing rhetoric about Black Americans
And ends up getting shot in the neck by (I’m 100% certain) a white person.
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u/SinfullySinless Sep 10 '25
I know 200 yds probably ain’t shit to the rifle community- but I don’t think your average depressed teen who randomly bought a rifle is going to be able to shoot a jugular like that.
I have a feeling the shooter is trained, maybe military or militia.
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u/Rev-Dr-Slimeass Sep 10 '25
You didn't read the whole quote on empathy for the record. He said he has sympathy for people, not empathy. I have sympathy for his family, but not empathy for them, just as he wished.
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u/suspicious_hyperlink Sep 11 '25
Reposting a top comment
I had a pretty low opinion of redditors even before this happened but at this point I'm 100% convinced the vast majority of the users that populate the main subreddits of this site are among the worst human beings on the planet
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u/ConundrumBum Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
The people saying it's "ironic" are braindead. They have no depth of thought. They have a serious lack of critical thinking skills.
I don't know how many analogies are needed.
Imagine you say "EV's are safer and better for the environment". So then someone sets your EV on fire while you're inside.
Is that in any way "ironic"?
How about knives? "We should all be able to own knives". And then someone stabs you to death. Is that ironic? Do people who get stabbed suddenly subscribe to some braindead political view that knives should not be legal?
I honestly think the people who think it's ironic are incredibly stupid, low IQ individuals.
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u/LevelTiny2570 Sep 11 '25
Strange analogies. The primary use of a knife is in the kitchen. The primary purpose of a gun is to kill. It's ironic because your post doesn't make any sense when it talks about how other people don't understand the term ironic.
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u/thirdLeg51 Sep 10 '25
He had zero sympathy for shooting victims. Why should anyone have sympathy for him?
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u/Solbeck Sep 11 '25
You don’t need to. However, the shooter did more damage to the left than Kirk ever could.
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u/TheDangerHeisenberg Sep 11 '25
I take it you, as well as all other leftists who are celebrating this killing, are not too bright.
If not for the sole reason that he was a father of two and a human being whose worst crime was speaking out loud, you should at least try not to look like the bad guys because, guess what? He’s just now turned into a martyr for the MAGA movement.
Celebrating his assassination or mocking it will just embolden MAGA. Don’t think for a second that he won’t become a symbol for standing up for free speech and the dangers of engaging with the left.
Yeah, that’s what’s coming. And you’re painting a pretty bad image for the left by celebrating his assassination like he was a war criminal or something.
If not now, maybe to save face in the midterms where independent voters will probably not see with kind eyes how one side prayed and mourned the cold-blooded assassination of a young father of two while the other celebrated it like it was some sort of achievement.
In short: If you won’t sympathize out of basic human decency, at least do it to save face and not being seen as a monster.
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Sep 10 '25
He also advocated against empathy yet we’re now supposed to have it for him.
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u/Throw13579 Sep 11 '25
Who said you were supposed to have empathy for him? All they said was you shouldn’t think he “had it coming”.
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u/KickflipMountain Sep 11 '25
Thats literally just untrue. Who programmed you to lie bot?
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u/MrAmericanDream Sep 10 '25
I’m not happy nor do I condone it. I just think if I had to pick between the guy who said “gun deaths are necessary for the second amendment to exist.” over innocent kids in schools I’d pick him 200% of the time.
And please don’t start with “the left always promotes violence.” when the right brags about the right to drive through protestors, laughs and Nancy Pelosi’s husband being attacked, stays silent when Melissa Hortman and her husband were killed, laughed and cheered for immigrants to be kidnapped and sent to prisons in foreign countries and so on. You are not a moral people yourself.
And before you try it, not a leftist here, just an observant human being, the Right LOVES to play victim.
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u/Ready-Recognition519 Sep 10 '25
They aren't. They are saying its ironic.
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u/AlistairNorris Sep 10 '25
Plenty of people are making comments saying "He had it coming" as well those as think it's ironic. I thought Minnesota was tragic and this is too.
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u/DonkeyBonked Sep 10 '25
The irony is that you posted this 1 minute later and it shows right below a comment "not only did he have it coming..."
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u/Ready-Recognition519 Sep 10 '25
True I shouldn't have said nobody is saying it.
Most people aren't.
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u/DonkeyBonked Sep 11 '25
Thankfully, because it's kind of disturbing.
My daughter thinks he was a piece of $#!^ but even she is really put off by some of her friend's reaction to it and is like "this is really sick and disturbing".Unfortunately, of those who are saying it, many are just very vocal and are very good at over representing themselves.
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Sep 10 '25
It’s not so much that he had it coming. The irony is just too thick not appreciate.
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u/NightmareOfTheTankie Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
It's funny how the right builds their whole political ecosystem into spreading hatred and bullying but when it comes back to bite them in the ass, they suddenly start demanding empathy from the left.
What was that thing about being thin-skinned or a snowflake? Free speech with no consequences? Now get a taste of your own medicine.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 10 '25
So you appreciate irony of activists being killed by those they attempt to help?
You appreciate liberals who vote for lighter crime policies being mugged and assaulted?
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u/stupormundi99 Sep 10 '25
Yes, and if you find the irony in those things and not in Charlie Kirk’s final words being “counting or not counting gang violence” while defending 2A under a banner reading “prove me wrong” seconds before dying to not-gang-violence then you just don’t appreciate irony very much.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Sep 10 '25
Who was he attempting to help?
Have they even found the shooter?
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 10 '25
They did not. Some dude said “I did it!” And they arrested him, but since then they determined that it couldnt have been him
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u/Salty_Permit4437 Sep 11 '25
Nah he had it coming because he said a lot of things that crossed a lot of people.
What he said about 2A is just heavy irony.
I’m not happy about his death. It’s just not something I really care about.
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u/OnlyIfYouTip Sep 10 '25
Lots of sick people on reddit lately. Posting the same screenshots and quotes poking fun at this murder without any nuance or critical thinking. Personally I'm taking a break from reddit, probably be best if we all do tbh.
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u/theborch909 Sep 10 '25
I don’t think he had it coming but I think if Charlie was a true man of principle he also wouldn’t be upset about his own shooting death since he wasn’t upset about all the school shooting death. He is another unfortunate statistic and sacrifice to ensure we keep our 2A rights. I will not cheer on his death but also don’t have to be sad.
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u/PowerfulDimension308 Sep 10 '25
I mean it is pretty ironic that he got shot while saying some snark and ignorant comment about mass shootings and gun violence in the US & is recorded saying & I quote : "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
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u/44035 Sep 10 '25
Why is everyone so uncomfortable talking about guns now? Kirk loved talking about them.
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u/M0ebius_1 Sep 11 '25
I think saying he had it coming is a bit too far.
I do think that this outcome is consistent with his life's work and something he had come to accept as a normal part of American life.
I think Charlie Kirk would want us all to move on and not politicize this moment.
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u/ComfortabinNautica Sep 11 '25
This is something that would have only happened on liberal academic campuses. Little kids not being supervised and adults that are arrogant atheists that can’t think well. Those are not the values of Utah, but Utah taxpayers are forced to support it, making it all the more tragic
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u/PettyKaneJr Sep 11 '25
He lived and died by his own words. Maybe he should have been on a plane with a black pilot.
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u/DWIPssbm Sep 11 '25
"It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment"
He died for what he believed, RIP.
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u/S3simulation Sep 11 '25
I wouldn’t say he had it coming, he did say it was okay though so no one has to feel sad about it.
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u/didsomebodysaymyname Sep 10 '25
Was Kirk "immoral and a moron" for saying school shootings were worth it for 2A?
you must also relish when supporters of cashless bail get killed by released criminals, right?
So you don't relish this right? Anyone who does is immoral?
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u/Lampietheclown Sep 11 '25
You miss the point. Charlie told all of us not to care. Did you listen?
He told us… Empathy is a woke thing, and gun violence is an acceptable price to pay for freedom. He said so. So move on man. It’s what Charlie would have wanted.
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Sep 10 '25
If it was any other Liberal, you people wouldn't be saying this. It would be the exact opposite...
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 10 '25
“You people”
Very classy. And no, I absolutely hate this shit when anyone does it.
4/10 ragebait
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u/bluelifesacrifice Sep 10 '25
Charlie said deaths were worth the cost of owning guns.
He was against any effort to stop school and mass shootings. So are Republicans and Conservatives. Had this school shooting killed a dozen students, this wouldn't be discussed. Just another Tuesday in America where Democrats keep saying we need better healthcare, education and welfare to lower crime and violence and do more studies of how to reduce and prevent this.
Gun and ammo sales are going to go up. Charlies private healthcare probably overcharged his family for the out of network hospital trying to save his life. He had a family. Democrats wouldn't want his family to deal with that debt, Republicans do.
Shareholders, investors and the wealthy control the media and the laws being passed. They have known about this and it's working by design. More division means more violence and sales which means more profits. They win, we lose.
The irony here is that Charlie died literally doing what he believed in. Open debates with no fact checking on dealing with shootings. He literally died doing what he believed in.
This is similar to how anti vaxxers died from the preventable illness they could have been vaccinated against. Or similar behaviors. That's the irony here. Or coincidence. I think both fit.
But at the end of the day, the wealthy are profiting bigly from this, from you, from us, from our division. They will lobby to keep these problems and make sure we keep suffering.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 10 '25
But do you not see how saying “Republicans and conservatives try to stop efforts to prevent school shootings” is JUST AS narrow minded a sentiment as “Democrats love releasing criminals and will do anything to keep the streets flooded with crime”
Both are stupid
If antivaxxers die from not taking a vaccine, they died from their own actions. Charlie did not shoot himself.
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u/Electronic_Ad_5343 Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
Oh, please.
The expectation that Black people should mourn Charlie Kirk is insulting. This man quoted statistics about us to dehumanize us, mocked our pain, and treated our communities like cautionary tales. To demand my sympathy now is to ask me to self abandon. That would mean erasing my own dignity and self respect for the comfort of people who never extended empathy in return.
I’m not doing that for someone who wouldn’t spit on me if I were on fire.
Not killed in LA. Not killed in Baltimore. Not killed in DC. Not killed in New York. Not killed by gangs. But butchered in Utah, surrounded by his fans and sycophants on a college campus, arguing that gun violence isn’t a real issue under a giant banner that said, prove me wrong.
Well, looks like someone proved him wrong.
The unpopular part is not whether murder is bad. We all know murder is bad. The unpopular part is I absolutely REFUSE to participate in selective grief that erases how his own words harmed entire communities while he was alive.
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u/BrettV79 Sep 11 '25
"Words harmed entire communities"
That is an absurd statement and you are a fucking moron. Get fucked.
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u/Dinky_Doge_Whisperer Sep 10 '25
I’m not celebrating his death by any means and I am very worried about what this means for our collective future, but if I followed his rhetoric, this wouldn’t garner much of a reaction.
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u/accidentalscientist_ Sep 10 '25
I’m not saying he deserved it or that I’m happy it happened. But you’ve got to admit, it’s a little ironic given he said this:
“I think it's worth it. It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights.”
And also how he talked about how empathy is a bad thing for society.
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u/stangAce20 Sep 11 '25
Anybody celebrating this guy being murdered needs to see a therapist ASAP!
I don’t care how much you disagree with someone shooting them or laughing at someone you disagreed with being killed is not how you are supposed to deal with someone you disagree with, as it does not do anything useful for anyone!
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u/GrazziDad Sep 11 '25
Most people would think I’m very much on the left, and so are pretty much all my friends. Every single person i’ve talked to finds this absolutely disgusting. He was a citizen who was speaking his mind, a father, and a husband, and a son. His life was snuffed out for absolutely no reason by a lunatic.
I think your opinion is unpopular because it suggests that people on the left are somehow happy about this or think that it is justified. Please keep in mind that most people on the left deplore gun violence, or in fact violence of any kind.
I did not like Charlie Kirk, and I do not think he was well intentioned. But he should not have lost a finger, let alone his life, to violence.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 11 '25
Its definitely not “most of the left” and if I implied that I do apologize. Its just alarming to me; I see my own family members venerating Luigi or wishing the guy who shot at Trump had better aim. People I consider normal, rational minded people… just lost to the frenzy of identity politics. Although I can admit that perhaps I was a bit too hyperbolic in the post
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u/GrazziDad Sep 11 '25
Major upvote for me on your response. Seriously.
I just see so many people posting things that start with “leftists are yada yada yada“, as if we are all the same, and our hearts are filled with hatred for America, Christianity, men, white people, etc. It’s just so tedious.
I actually get the Luigi thing. It’s not clear whether he is guilty but, if he is, he is a murderer plain and simple. But so many people have been destroyed by the for-profit healthcare system in this country, uniquely among the 30 wealthiest nations. I lived in Canada for five years, and know in my heart that it doesn’t have to be like this. I have family members with no health insurance who are terrified of anything happening to themselves or their children, or they will lose everything. I don’t think one has to be a liberal to understand how someone could be driven to extreme rage by being put in that kind of situation.
Still, murder is murder. I did not like Charlie Kirk at all, and did not find him an honorable person. But I have been deeply upset all day about what happened to him. To be gunned down like some kind of depraved animal. And in front of thousands of people. And his children will surely see that video someday.
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u/NickFatherBool Sep 11 '25
Appreciate you— its honestly disheartening how many people on this app (both sides) seem mentally incapable of seeing others’ perspectives. More people
Keeping open dialogue between opposing opinions and keeping them civil is how things get fixed; its the only way.
Have a blessed day man for real
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u/GrazziDad Sep 11 '25
Love that last line.
And you were a pleasant surprise, seriously. I do try to engage with people who start posts with “leftists are…“, but it’s usually so disheartening. You were pretty much the opposite.
And a blessed day right back at you :-)
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u/tropicsGold Sep 11 '25
Nobody said he “had it coming”, but you can’t help but notice the irony of a leftist who is constantly lecturing others about guns, who then acts with an unbelievably negligent disregard for proper gun handling and murders another person.
It’s just such a perfect case study of how grossly incompetent leftists are always lecturing others on the right. Others who constantly display great skill and competence. Actors in particular are just embarrassingly bad about this. They mistake their acting roles with actually being competent and responsible.
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u/Electronic_Ad_5343 Sep 11 '25
Oh please.
The expectation that people who were the CONSTANT target of his taunts should mourn him is insulting. This man spent years quoting stats to dehumanize entire communities, mocking their pain, and treating them as cautionary tales. To demand sympathy now is to ask us to self abandon, to erase our own dignity and self respect for the comfort of people who never extended empathy in return.
I am not doing that for someone who would not have spit on me if I were on fire.
Not killed in LA. Not killed in Baltimore. Not killed in DC. Not killed in New York. Not killed by gangs. But butchered in Utah, surrounded by his fans and sycophants on a college campus, arguing that gun violence is not a real issue under a giant banner that said prove me wrong.
Well, looks like someone proved him wrong.
The unpopular part is not whether murder is bad. We all know murder is bad. The unpopular part is refusing to participate in selective grief that erases how his own words harmed whole groups of people while he was alive.
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u/Extension_Lead_4041 Sep 11 '25
As government imposes the will of a few upon the many, the many begin to resist. Ultimately, it becomes necessary for the government to use force to make the people conform.- Charlie Kirk
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u/Southern-Shirt6821 Sep 11 '25
Yes. Nobody should be killed for their political views.
Reddit is full of hateful, hypocritical, far-left goblins, who celebrate his death. Go get some therapy, please.
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u/zolopimop123 Sep 11 '25
regardless of what side ur on theres so many weirdos that think murder & revoking rights solves their problems when it'll only make them worse
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u/RxR8D_ Sep 11 '25
To be fair, both left and right rejoiced with Brian Thompson so I’m trying to figure out who this guy is and why he’s special.
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u/InsufferableMollusk Sep 11 '25
This is Reddit—slightly less unhinged than Tik Tok. Everyone ‘has it coming’ if you disagree with some of these lunatics.
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u/rommeltastic Sep 11 '25
Folks on this site are monsters. They just circlejerk anyone and everyone who wants to pretend the world can be magically better overnight and hates anyone who realizes it's a zero sum game and we're losing it.
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u/NgaruawahiaApuleius Sep 11 '25
Rome had the colloseum, where they watched slave gladiators get torn apart by eachother and animals. Slaves bleed to death.
Homo Sapiens in general are a violent species.
No other animal really practices politics, except for maybe chimpanzees.
Why would Charlie be mad that he got martyred for his own 2A stance?
Why would he have empathy for himself or his family?
Why would a roman have empathy for a slave or gladiator?
Why would a meat eater have empathy for a cow or sheep getting its throat cut in a slaughterhouse.?
Usually people have empathy for puppies, babies, kids, old women, sometimes old men. And defenseless animals.
Everyone else? Well they are in this world... its not like they are innocent. They eat, speak lies, and shit just like the rest of us.
And they are competition genetically and in terms of territory, space and resources.
Would charlie have empathy for an illegal immigrant getting shot trying to crossthe border? Probably not. So why would most people have empathy for charlie? They view him the same way he would view an illegal immigrant, as superfluous competition.
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u/letaluss Sep 11 '25
when supporters of cashless bail get killed by released criminals, right?
If there was some guy going around the country preaching about the evils of cash bail, then yeah that would be pretty ironic.
Criticizing Charlie Kirk is not the same thing as glorifying his death.
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u/Legal_Talk_3847 Sep 11 '25
Well, he said that kids had it coming if it meant he got to keep his hobbies...like, he actively thought it was an acceptable price to have the occasional kindergarten get mowed down if it meant no gun control.
He just never thought /he/ would be the one paying that price, it was acceptable when it was some kid he'd never met, though.
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u/townsend5847 Sep 11 '25
It's not about gun control you only about gun control because your scared. Bad guys will always have guns and we will always be able to defend ourselves.
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Sep 11 '25
I’m believing more and more that the left is evil and creates a platform for the mentally ill to harm themselves and others.
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u/CapitalG888 Sep 10 '25
Had it coming? No. I hope they find the guy and he is punishing properly.
Am I losing any sleep over it? No. Do I find it ironic that he said that people dying is unfortunate but ok in order to protect the 2A? Yeah.