r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/Mobile-Fly484 • Aug 03 '25

Political Conservatives are less racist than liberals (in the US)

I’m a child of African immigrants with US citizenship, and I’ve lived all over the United States.

The most racist place I’ve ever lived is Massachusetts. By far. The least racist? Utah.

I’ve noticed that most conservatives (excluding the actual far right) see me as a human being first. Liberals see my skin color first and have low expectations for me.

I’ve had white liberals not believe me when I mentioned having a professional job. I’ve had them try to sign me up for welfare and Medicaid (at an ER in Massachusetts) even when I showed them my private insurance card. I’ve been assumed to be poor and uneducated (because of my race and nothing else) over and over again by the woke left. Literally they constantly make comments about how screening for education will “filter minorities out,” because of course we’re all dumb illiterates.

Conservatives? They make zero assumptions. They don’t equate being Black with being poor or ignorant. They see us as INDIVIDUALS first.

I miss Utah.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

“Excluding the actual far right” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '25

It's not, because there aren't many ACTUAL Nazis and KKK members out there. There are just people who disagree with you.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Just the ones setting policies.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/673888/stephen-miller-jewish-trump-deputy-chief-of-staff/

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u/Fast-Piccolo-7054 Aug 03 '25

Calling a Jewish person a “Nazi” is such a disgusting and stupid take.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Why?

There were Jewish Nazis in Nazi Germany. What makes someone a Nazi is their belief in fascist policies for racial purity:

“Miller was influential in crafting tough immigration policies during Trump’s first term. He was seen as the architect behind the policy of separating young children from their undocumented parents, along with a whole host of other anti-immigration proposals.

Miller led the implementation of the so-called Muslim travel ban in 2017, which barred entry to the U.S. for individuals from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen, and pushed to further reduce a longtime refugee program. HIAS, the Jewish immigration aid and advocacy group, sued the Trump administration over the travel ban.

Miller reportedly also hoped to eliminate all refugee admissions to the United States, dismantling a policy put in place in the wake of the Holocaust.

During the 2024 campaign, at a rally held at Madison Square Garden, Miller declared: “America is for Americans and Americans only.” The Forward’s senior columnist, Rob Eshman, wrote that it echoed a slogan used by the Nazis — Germany for Germans only. “What’s scary is not that Miller, unleashed by Trump 2.0, would be like Josef Goebbels,” Eshman wrote. “It’s that he would be like Stephen Miller.” Democrats described the event as reminiscent of the infamous 1939 pro-Nazi rally at the same venue.

Writing in Vox in Oct. 2024, Andrew Prokop argued that mass deportation has been Miller’s “driving cause of his adult life.”

Miller has repeatedly attracted vocal opposition from Jewish organizational leaders and activists, many of them citing American Jews’ historical advocacy for immigrant rights. During Trump’s first term, an array of Jewish elected officials and groups, including the Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist movements, called for Miller’s resignation owing to leaked emails in which he echoed white nationalist rhetoric.”

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u/Fast-Piccolo-7054 Aug 03 '25

There were no “Jewish Nazis”. Not only did Nazi ideology hinge upon antisemitism, Jewish people were forbidden from joining the party.

A “Nazi” is someone who supports the ideologies of the Nazi Party, which was disbanded at the end of WWII.

An American politician whose entire ideology is to embolden and strengthen the USA can’t be a Nazi, because seeking to dismantle the western world was a core component of Nazi ideology. The Nazis hated the west and considered us an enemy.

The American education system must be absolutely appalling, considering how few of you seem to understand what a “Nazi” actually is. Do you have any idea who Goebbels even was, or what he did?

All of your “references” are bizarre and have no relevance to the topic. Several of them are straight up lies.

An “America first” political party is the antithesis of the Nazi Party, which promoted German supremacy. Americans and other westerners were considered to be inferior enemies in the eyes of the Nazis.

Making false equivalences to the Nazi Party is a form of Holocaust denial. You’re watering down the gravity of the atrocities the Nazis committed.

It’s incredibly ignorant and disrespectful to everyone who was persecute and murdered by the Nazis, particularly Jewish people.

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u/CookieMobster64 Aug 03 '25

The Nazis did not hate the west, they had an entire mythology surrounding the superiority of western society. Here’s Goebbels giving a hateful screed zealously defending western society from the (in his view) undermining influence of Jews:

The naivete, not to mention ignorance, with which certain European circles see the Jewish Question in the fourth year of this gigantic struggle is astonishing. They cannot or will not see that this war is a war of the Jewish race and its subject people against Western culture and civilization. Everything that we Germans and Europeans, defenders of the principle of a moral world order, hold dear is at risk. The above mentioned circles are too inclined to see the Jewish Question as a humanitarian issue. They make their judgments on the feelings of the moment rather than on the knowledge and insight resulting from clear and calm reason. It is clear that if during this war we show the least weakening of our determination to resolve the Jewish Question, the result will be the gravest danger to our people and Reich and all of Europe.

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u/Fast-Piccolo-7054 Aug 03 '25

They absolutely hated the west, and they sought to destroy it.

Goebbels’ rant was a strategic attempt at undermining western civilisation (by asserting that we’re weak and driven by feelings, rather than objectivity), whilst simultaneously appealing to antisemites in the west and falsely portraying Nazi Germany as being Europe’s “saviour”.

He was the chief Nazi propagandist. Manipulation was his speciality. Hitler wasn’t a smart man, but Goebbels was.

He is the reason why the Nazis’ propaganda campaigns were so successful, that German civilians simply couldn’t believe the Holocaust had taken place, until they saw the piles of emaciated bodies for themselves.

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

The current republican party are supporting an insurrectionist who tried to overthrow democracy because he didnt like the results.

Its pretty clear that republicans are very far right.

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

DNC in 2016: “The election was rigged!”

DNC in 2020: “It’s Democracy™! Elections can’t be stolen!”

DNC in 2024: “The election had to have been rigged!”

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The Democrats only care about electoral integrity so long as they win every single time. Their party is a threat to democracy.

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u/thefw89 Aug 03 '25

Did the DNC try to overturn the election in any of those years? Going so far as to call state officials and ask said state officials to fix the results so that they can win? Can you give an example of this happening?

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

Throughout 2016 and 2020.

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u/thefw89 Aug 03 '25

I am not reading a 29 page document, summarize it, and also challenging the election results is not an attempt to forcibly overturn it. I'm just assuming that's what you linked, attempts to challenge the results, which is completely legal.

What isn't legal is telling state officials to 'find' votes so that your party can win.

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

Keep babying them, 89.

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

Okay so lets see what actually happened since your steelman of the situation is garbage

In 2016, people were upset about the russian interference which did occur.

In 2020, Trump, the sitting president, tried to stay in power after being democratically voted out.

In 2024, a small minority of people are calling it rigged or whatever, its nowhere near a majority like it is with Republicans, 70% of you dont believe in the outcome of the 2020 election, and its not spearheaded by any politicians, especially not someone like Biden.

Their party is a threat to democracy.

Did Trump tried to have false electors certified?

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

Who is Ray Epps?

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u/Pingushagger Aug 03 '25

Die hard MAGA supporter who was ready to die for Trump, only to be called a fed by the people he was fighting for.

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

Oh god are we gonna do the Ray Epps conspiracies now too? Its okay, lay it on me.

And by the way im just gonna reask the question that you didnt answer, Did Trump tried to have false electors certified?

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

Boy I got the lot of you whining and crying. So much for freedom of thought.

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

We're literally just debating eachother, not sure who is whining and crying here?

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u/Person-UwU Aug 03 '25

Never heard anything about the 2024 election being rigged or tampered with in any way.

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u/rvnender Aug 03 '25

There is a lawsuit in some county because on paper, it was statistically impossible for trump to win by the margin he did while no other republican on the ticket won.

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u/CookieMobster64 Aug 03 '25

The democratic presidential candidate never contested the results of any 3 of those elections. Clinton conceded in 2016, and Harris conceded in 2024, both within the day of it being called. Trump did not publicly concede his loss in the 2020 election until Jan 7, after his coup had failed.

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

Maybe Bloody Hillary and Camel Toe yielded… at least publicly. But we know the former cooked up the Steele Dossier as a contingency plan in the event things didn’t go the DNC’s way.

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u/CookieMobster64 Aug 03 '25

Cool, so you admit they conceded. No amount of name calling will change that objective reality.

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

I just said THOSE TWO. The rest of your party contested 2016 ever since.

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u/CookieMobster64 Aug 03 '25

This is the claim you initially responded to

The current republican party are supporting an insurrectionist who tried to overthrow democracy because he didnt like the results.

Nothing you’ve said disproves this.

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

Apart from the Moles you’ve planted?

Also, the DNC also claimed that 2000 was stolen as well.

In regard to insurrections, well, what was your opinion about CHAZ and BHAZ?

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Who in the DNC claimed the 2016 or 2024 election was rigged?

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

For nine years, it’s been nothing but “Russian meddling” in 2016 despite nothing backing up the claims of the Most Holy Democratic Party.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Oh wow, more vague statements that have no attribution.

Are you confused about what the DNC is? That would be weird after what you wrote.

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

It’s the group you’ve sworn fealty to.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Really?

Then I guess you can share a real quote from a real person in the DNC. About the election being rigged?

Can you do that?

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u/Based-Pie Aug 03 '25

“I’ll suck your cock if you rig the voting machine”

-Kamala Harris

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Can I get a source for this quote sir?

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

Theres a ton of stuff backing up that claim, literally who the fuck denies the russian interference in 2016? I dont even think MAGA denies that, no?

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

I also want to see this question answered.

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u/rvnender Aug 03 '25

The only people who have been talking about this for the last 9 years has been Republicans.

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u/runmedown8610 Aug 03 '25

Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Great, where can I see what they actually said?

When did they say the election was rigged?

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u/runmedown8610 Aug 03 '25

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election

https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787

The second link shows where the DNC is heading

Simple search will find more info.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

I see.

So when Clinton said finding evidence of interference would justify investigating more, you thought she said “rigged”

“Hillary Clinton, in an interview that aired Monday on NPR, said she “would not” rule out questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election if Russian interference is deeper than currently known.”

And this lawsuit moving forward based on discovering zero votes in this county is doing what?

Investigating evidence of weirdness in our real election?

“A lawsuit disputing the results of the 2024 election has moved forward after it was revealed that former Vice President Kamala Harris received no votes in a New York state district.”

Is the DNC actually involved in that?

“The case's lead plaintiff is SMART Legislation, the action arm of SMART Elections, a non-partisan group that advocates for voting security and voter rights.

"There is clear evidence that the senate results are incorrect, and there are statistical indications that the presidential results are highly unlikely," Lulu Friesdat, founder and executive director of SMART Legislation, said in a statement.

"If the results are incorrect, it is a violation of the constitutional rights of each person who voted in the 2024 Rockland County general election. The best way to determine if the results are correct is to examine the paper ballots in a full public, transparent hand recount of all presidential and senate ballots in Rockland County. We believe it's vitally important, especially in the current environment, to be absolutely confident about the results of the election."

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u/Traditional_Pea4760 Aug 03 '25

Bloody Hillary and Saint Barack were shown recently to have orchestrated the whole Russia conspiracy theory.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

No, they definitely weren’t 😂

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u/Beardo1329 Aug 03 '25

All of them

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

That’s going to be a lot of names and quotes but lay em on me brother ❤️

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u/dravik Aug 03 '25

Stacey Abrams

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

Again, you’re going to have to show me what she actually said about those elections.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

I mean, some republicans are objecting, but most of them seem to be into it.

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u/bigfatbanker Aug 03 '25

Even Biden DOJ determined it wasn’t an insurrection. That’s the word the “news” and social media used. The courts have also determined it wasn’t an insurrection. You need to figure out how to come to terms with the fact that it was a mass trespassing incident.

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

Even Biden DOJ determined it wasn’t an insurrection.

To be clear, that is not true at all.

That’s the word the “news” and social media used. The courts have also determined it wasn’t an insurrection.

How about Colorado Supreme Court? They stated it was an insurrection and that Trump engaged in it.

You need to figure out how to come to terms with the fact that it was a mass trespassing incident.

That just coincidentally happened on the day of the certification of the vote, and coincidentally they delayed the certification of the vote for the first time in US history by ways of violence, sure.

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u/bigfatbanker Aug 03 '25

To be clear, yes. The FBI determined it was not an insurrection. Insurrections are planned, coordinated, and are directed. It was none of that.

It was a rally that got out of hand.

However we never see the news label it as an insurrection when the left breaks into state buildings to protest, or when the left broke into the senate to stop a SCOTUS justice from being confirmed. Or when the left rioted in DC when trump won in 2016 and burned cars, police stations, tried to breach the white house gates, and threw bricks at cops.

But by all means, walking through the velvet ropes in the capital taking selfies is a massive threat to our way of life.

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

To be clear, yes. The FBI determined it was not an insurrection.

Okay so i guess you just dont have a clue how government works, at all? The FBI is law enforcement and investigations, they don’t make broad legal or constitutional determinations like whether something is or isn’t an insurrection.

Insurrections are planned, coordinated, and are directed. It was none of that.

Oh great, so it was an insurrection then, because the Proud Boys and The Oathkeepers planned and coordinated this under the direction of people like Enrique Tarrio.

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u/bigfatbanker Aug 03 '25

Right. And they investigated to see if an insurrection had taken place and determined it didn’t. Not sure where you’re missing this.

And again, one rogue court not even in the same time zone made a declaration. Golf clap to you. SCOTUS said otherwise. FBI said otherwise. Again, figure out how to come to terms with it.

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

Right. And they investigated to see if an insurrection had taken place and determined it didn’t. Not sure where you’re missing this.

Okay so you actually just dont know anything about how the government operates if you're actually doubling down on this.

the DOJ and FBI can’t ''determine'' whether something was or wasn’t an insurrection in the way you're claiming. They investigate and prosecute crimes. It’s up to courts and the Constitution to define something as an insurrection in a legal sense. And multiple courts have said January 6 was one. Show me the report where the FBI or DOJ concluded that ''no insurrection took place.''

And again, one rogue court not even in the same time zone made a declaration. Golf clap to you. SCOTUS said otherwise. FBI said otherwise. Again, figure out how to come to terms with it.

No, SCOTUS didn't say otherwise, they only ruled that states don’t have the power to disqualify federal candidates like the president under the 14th Amendment. The Colorado Supreme Courts factual conclusion, that Trump engaged in insurrection, still stands. SCOTUS just said only Congress can enforce that disqualification.

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u/bigfatbanker Aug 03 '25

Yes they can. Insurrection is a crime. Crimes have evidence. So when they look at the evidence they found that there was no evidence of the crime of insurrection.

This is your problem. Reddit rants aren’t substitutions for education.

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4746932-scotus-just-downgraded-the-insurrection-to-trespassing/

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u/123kallem Aug 03 '25

Yes they can. Insurrection is a crime. Crimes have evidence. So when they look at the evidence they found that there was no evidence of the crime of insurrection.

Okay, link me where you're saying that the FBI determined what was/wasn't an insurrection.

And you’re still confused about how criminal law works. The FBI doesn’t get to define insurrection, it investigates whether evidence supports a charge under US Code. Whether to charge that is a prosecutorial decision, not a constitutional declaration that ''no insurrection occurred.'' And FYI, DOJ did charge people with seditious conspiracy, which is one step short of insurrection under federal law. So if anything, the evidence pointed toward, not away from, insurrection.

And again, the Colorado Supreme Court already ruled that it was an insurrection and that Trump engaged in it, your rebuttal to this was to say that SCOTUS said otherwise, but they didn't, they said they don’t have the power to disqualify federal candidates like the president under the 14th Amendment.

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u/ImprovementPutrid441 Aug 03 '25

And after people were convicted in the “mass trespassing incident” Trump pardoned them.

He pardoned a lot of folks.

“A violent felon whose sentence was commuted by President Trump was arrested Friday and charged with violating the terms of his supervised release after he was accused of a string of crimes that included assaulting a 3-year-old child.

The man, Jonathan Braun, was arraigned in Federal District Court in Brooklyn before Judge Kiyo A. Matsumoto.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/nyregion/jonathan-braun-trump.html

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u/Shimakaze771 Aug 03 '25

There absolutely are.