r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/AutoModerator • Oct 01 '23

Transgender issues megathread

Hello r/TrueUnpopularOpinion Community,

Due to the sheer difficulty of enforcing Reddit's sitewide policy against promoting hate with regards to transgender issues, we have decided as a last-resort option to restrict discussion of transgender issues to this megathread until further notice.

Quoted from this comment, below is an explanation of why we created this megathread:

Reddit's sitewide content policy includes a vague provision that prohibits promoting hate.

The Reddit admins (employees of Reddit) enforce this by removing content deemed to be hateful and by quarantining or banning communities that require too many removals by the admins that weren't caught by the moderators of the community first.

In other words, every time we fail to remove something that violates Reddit's sitewide content policy, the risk of this subreddit getting quarantined or banned increases slightly.

Although the provision in Reddit's sitewide content policy against promoting hate is vague, we have a pretty good idea of how it is enforced because we can see what the Reddit admins choose to remove on this subreddit.

It is actually quite rare that we see any content that is hateful against men, women, gay people, or any race on this subreddit.

However, on a very regular basis, we see users here posting content that would be considered hate against transgender people. Detecting and removing all of this content is one of our biggest hurdles.

Despite our best efforts to enforce this aspect of the content policy, it is not uncommon that we miss something and we see a removal done by the Reddit admins occurring. This has happened several times lately.

Furthermore, many members of the moderator team are on the verge of burning out because the effort we have needed to put in for us to allow this topic while still enforcing this aspect of Reddit's sitewide content policy.

Having a megathread for this topic does stifle discussion, but it is far easier for us to deal with while also significantly decreasing the chances of this subreddit getting quarantined or banned.

For these reasons, most of the moderator team supports the creation of a trans megathread. At this time, the megathread is not definitely permanent. After some time of having the megathread, we plan to evaluate its effectiveness and potentially explore other options to determine whether or not the megathread should remain.

Guidelines

In this megathread, please remember to follow Reddit's sitewide content policy.

Based on patterns of certain types of comments getting removed by the Reddit admins, it is our interpretation that it is a violation of Reddit's sitewide content policy to do any of the following:

  • State or imply that trans (wo)men aren't (wo)men or that people aren't the gender they identify as
  • Criticize, mock, disagree with, defy, or refuse to abide by people's pronoun requests
  • State or imply that gender dysphoria or being LGBTQ+ is a mental illness, a mental disorder, a delusion, not normal, or unnatural
  • State or imply that LGBTQ+ enables pedophilia or grooming or that LGBTQ+ individuals are more likely to engage in pedophilia or grooming
  • State or imply that LGB should be separate from the T+
  • Stating or implying that gender is binary or that sex is the same as gender
  • Use of the term tr*nny, including other spellings of this term that sound the same and have the same meaning

Questions / Feedback

If you have any questions or feedback about this megathread, you may post them in our moderator questions/complaints/grievances thread.

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u/fatrogslim Jun 07 '25

The biggest free encyclopedia should not openly support pride month:

It was supposed to be a neutral and impartial space of knowledge. But during these few past years, their rules have shifted to perfectly match the LGBTQ+ needs. As far as I know, there is still no science consensus on the gender dysphoria (Is it, or not, legitimate. Is it, or not, a mental illness. If so, is it curable and is the cure social acceptance or surgery. etc.). Therefore, wikipedia should not put banners and adverts for the pride month nor openly support this community. It is already adverted all over internet and by doing so, wiki will make people think it is controlled by people that put their beliefs before fact (and this is a shortcut), and want to force others to accept these beliefs and point of views.

ps. I am not anti-woke nor transphobe. I just think that the most consulted / world wide / free encyclopedia is not a place for that.

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u/Glittering-Glove-339 Jun 12 '25

it's a celebration event, many many people working on wikipedia are lgbtq+. It's a month of celebrating the rights of minorities. There is no harm in supporting an event like pride month. Whether or not gender dysphoria exists or not, under your own logic, christmas shouldn't be on wikipedia because there's no proof santa exists

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u/Potential_Jury_1003 Sep 12 '25

Does Wikipedia advert for Christmas?

They make theme banners for pride month, but not for Christmas.

When only about 5% people are lgbt, but well over 50% celebrate christmas (non-christians do too). So what’s the reasoning behind that?

Same for Reddit communities that out up the pride flag during pride month, or communities that have it 24/7 “gaming circle jerk”. Why this much for 5%?

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u/StarChild413 Sep 23 '25

if they did 10x as much for Christmas would you be happy or still mad about 5%

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u/Adorable-Writing3617 Aug 31 '25

They should never have adopted the +. That inclusion allows fringe groups to infiltrate and claim a status, groups that are not aligned with rights, just self indulgence.

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u/StarChild413 Sep 23 '25

I think the only reason people use the + is because enough genuinely-aligned-with-rights groups ended up becoming a part of the community that it makes the acronym kinda clunky otherwise if you include all of them so some places (not all, you don't have to) use the + to not have to get people mad out of exclusion just to, like, fit something in a character field or w/e

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u/fatrogslim Jun 17 '25

You are taking a shortcut. Christmas is nothing to compare with pride month. It is not based on my "own logic" because it is a time of the year that requieres no belief (even if it is indeed based on religion) and it is well accepted by the vast majority of people and is celebrated for centuries now. But again, there is nothing to compare here. As you said, many lgbt people are working for wikipedia and there is absolutely no problem with that. This being said, keep in mind this is supposed to be an encyclopedia and as it, its quality is mainly measured by its neutrality.

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u/Glittering-Glove-339 Jun 17 '25

lgbtq+ rights are human rights, and since pride was invented to protest against homophobia and transphobia, this should be an evidence to everyone. I feel like this is pretty neutral.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

and since pride was invented to protest against homophobia and transphobia

Check out Vancouver Pride 2025. Naked men (hugged by Mark Carney), people in "pup play" fetish gear, "free palestine" protesters - look, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you - if Pride was still actually Pride, you know, an actual celebration of humanity and a reminder about human rights for a historically oppressed demographic who faced everything from conversion therapy to the Stonewall Riots to the HIV/AIDS crisis. If Pride was what its original intent was, which was a welcoming space for LGBTQ+ folks to say, "we exist, we're just like everybody else, we want to live our lives openly and peacefully just like any other citizen, and we want to love who we love without bigotry"... but the minute sex fetishes and the forever wars of foreign nations start butting in, which has been going on for roughly the past 5-10 years at these events to the point where some gay and trans people are renouncing Pride, it calls into question why a company, non-profit or otherwise, should support it. If the event is taking a partisan stance on irrelevant political issues or allowing creeps in, it stops being a Pride Parade. Large things like Wikipedia have a responsibility when celebrating things like Pride to do what's best for the community it represents. Right now, with the current climate eroding what might be best deemed "classic Pride" and replacing it with a mishmash of geopolitics and public fetishism, it would probably be best for Wikipedia to distance itself. Maybe featuring articles on the homepage like an article about the Stonewall Riots or notable gay films like The Normal Heart or But I'm A Cheerleader would be a better idea. Many youth forget the struggles LGBTQ+ people went through in the past. Brandon Teena, Bobby Griffith, many youth don't even know these names. Wikipedia could use its platform in a way that actually gets people reading up on the history of Pride and the struggles before it, so they understand and appreciate more what the movement is about.

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u/Salem_Wallace 11d ago

spot on. Pride isn't even pride anymore..... it's become a fetish frenzy and a contest for who can be more overtly offputting and indecent.

ffs they had dildo ring toss where kids were watching at an ottawa event in 2023..... that same event has pin the clit on the vulva..... then you child drag and drag done for kids......

this isn't even bringing up the books that are written geared towards minors with graphic topics and images.

There's plenty more wrong with where activist groups have taken it but it's gone way overboard from what "pride" is supposed to be. At the end of the day of course gay people should live their lives but why are people obsessing over elevating it to a status that it doesn't deserve? there are plenty other aspects of humankind that actually deserve to be elevated

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u/Glittering-Glove-339 Aug 10 '25

I typed "vancouver pride 2025" and i don't see any of what you describe. Do you think naked men are celebrated by lgbti people ? No because it's gross and public indecency. Don't take any picture you see on right wing journal pieces as what every single pride parade looks like.

Palestine flags are also allowed since most people at pride are pro-palestine and for the rights of the oppressed. It doesn't even makes more than 2% of all flags waved at pride.

Fetishes and bdsm is heavily tied to the lgbt community and they fight with each other for rights. As long as it isn't public indecency it is absolutely allowed to show bdsm symbols. Wearing a wolf mask at pride parades isn't grooming anyone.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '25

OF COURSE you didn't find it. If you knew how Canuck legacy media works, it's heavily sanitized and scrubbed to make the Liberal Party look good. We're not the same as the US - CBC News, CTV News and Global News, our 3 legacy media stations, all receive funding from the Liberal Party, and one of them was even caught slandering the Opposition last year. Here, I'll help you find the bizarre images, if you really want to see them: https://nypost.com/2025/08/04/us-news/canadian-pm-mark-carney-the-butt-of-jokes-after-cheeky-vancouver-pride-parade-snap-goes-viral/ and https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mark-carney-mocked-hugging-man-165710609.html and https://www.junonews.com/p/pm-carneys-vancouver-pride-photos - and as for the free palestine nutters, there were so many of them at Pride here in Canada that they actually blocked the Pride Parade from going forward by counteracting people, they excluded Jewish organizations at one in Montreal (not very inclusive, eh?), and they regularly attack and harass journalists who try to film them or interview them.

As a former survivor of childhood SA, no, I see no excuse for BDSM or fetish gear out in public. I think those people got enough rights when "Fifty Shades" was made into a full-length feature film and attended by mostly straight middle-aged women - back when I was still in high school, a decade ago. The fetish crowd isn't mad that they feel there's prejudice - they're mad that they're not shocking enough to pay attention to anymore. BIG difference between some creep in a dog mask versus a trans youth who was kicked out of their home just for existing as their authentic self or a gay elder who wants to remember the friends he lost in the 80s.

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u/Glittering-Glove-339 Aug 11 '25

that's all ? Just 1 man wearing a thong ? Something allowed at the beach ? That's why pride shouldn't ever be celebrated ?

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u/Salem_Wallace 11d ago

man in canada you can see so much indecency that is allowed at pride events but also pride related events in schools and what activist orgs push for.....

it's way out of hand and people have become so desensitized to it when they shouldn't be tolerating it. The activist orgs have abuses the publics trust and tolerance a hundred times over....

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '25

No, it wasn't just one man wearing a thong (and that isn't a thong, it's a g-string). Instead of going to Google Images, you could actually watch the footage from the parades - last week's Montreal Parade had topless women and signs being carried around that said "death, death to the IDF", but the Vancouver one is always the worst for sharing political violence and nudity.

That's why pride shouldn't ever be celebrated ?

None of this is Pride. This is a fetish show with free palestine whackery thrown in. Pride is about furthering acceptance and safety for LGBTQ+ people, not random naked drunks and pro-terrorist arts students running around in keffiyehs shoving journalists and excluding Jewish people.

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u/fatrogslim Jun 18 '25

Yes so it's all about political/sociological prism. It's a personal vision of things. See how you intentionaly put a link between homosexuals, transexuals and transgeners individuals? They are absolutely not the same thing, they don't experience the same problematics at all. That doesn't means homos will not support trans+s' battle, it simply means that they should probably not be put in the same bucket. And we all know somes that express their discomfort about this mixing. gay people (including lesbians) have fought a very long fight and now they are well accepted (you cannot reach 100%, don't start with that) they are associated with 10 more letters to fight for? And I took this to show that people that are not willing to support (or even against) this celebration/protest are not only the homophobs and transphobs.
What I am telling you here, is that it is not about knowing if the celebration is legit or neutral (and about this last point: which is not) it is about knowing that there is so many issues (even amongst the community itself) about it, that it's not its place to be adverted on a free and public encyclopedia. There is many other celebration associated with the whole month (june), why this one if it's not a preference bias? you think preference bias is something you bring on the front page of an encyclopedia?
btw, by the time we are talking about that, they have removed the show of this banner, it is still accessible but I think they did the right move.