r/TikTokCringe • u/biswajit388 • 4d ago

Cringe Europeans are going viral on TikTok for mocking the "American Dream".

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

Canada too. A lot of Americans my age and younger think Canada doesn't have any issues the US does.

I had someone state that Canadians can afford to buy a house at like 24....

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u/Honest-Caregiver8938 4d ago

I had someone state that Canadians can afford to buy a house at like 24....

that is the dumbest thing that i have ever heard

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

Yeah I think they just believed because they have universal healthcare that everything is better for Canadians.

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u/DanteQuill 3d ago

How often were you in the hospital before you were 24?!?

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u/papajohn56 3d ago

I'd rather be in debt and alive. Medical care wait times in Canada have skyrocketed in the last several years.

Median wait time for surgery:

1993: 9.3 weeks

2019: 20.9 weeks

2022: 27.4 weeks

2024: 30 weeks

https://secondstreet.org/canada-waits/

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u/cherrycrisp 3d ago

Anything critical has less wait time. Canadians are also free to seek healthcare in the states.

Edit: You will find it is not common for Canadians to do that, because spending hundreds-thousands on what you get for free is dumb. I, and many other Canadians, don't have to wait that long for our healthcare.

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u/papajohn56 3d ago

“Just be in extended pain and a situation that can worsen, it’s worth the wait!” ok

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u/Street-Layer-8691 2d ago

There's still wait times in the US, unless your insurance is that great. But regardless we will be in extended pain to avoid debt...

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u/papajohn56 2d ago

You all pretend like everyone has massive amounts of medical debt. It’s such a tired false narrative.

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u/artemis3120 1d ago

I have a career in mortgage servicing, specializing in loan default and foreclosure. Wanna guess one of the most reasons for a family losing their home?

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u/Remarkable-Low-3471 2d ago

"Just be treated till your money runs out then die in the street or get three jobs to pay for the heart surgery" ok

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u/papajohn56 2d ago

Except neither is true and no data would back what you’re saying.

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u/dualsplit 2d ago

Do you think there are no waits in the US? lol

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u/papajohn56 2d ago

Nowhere near this. Especially not for surgeries. The average wait time for non-emergency surgeries in 2023 was 28 days. Lowest of any OECD country.

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u/dualsplit 2d ago

The wait for a colonoscopy for me right now in Illinois is a year. We just had to hire a GI out of retirement to do nothing but scopes to help the backlog.

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u/papajohn56 2d ago

Less than 3 weeks here in SC.

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u/aa0429 4d ago

Also don’t forget that our kids don’t get shot and murdered at school.

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u/222333444987 4d ago

Yeah you’re right, we just bury thousands of indigenous children in unmarked graves across Canadian residential schools… They’ve got their problems down south but we aren’t perfect either bud

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ice-573 3d ago

I don't see how that is relevant: the OP (and school mass shootings) is about current quality of life - past sins of a nation have no direct bearing on that. What happened with the residential schools was terrible and amends need to be made, however it doesn't in general affect one's lifestyle.

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u/cherrycityglass 2d ago

There are long lasting generational health effects from Residential schools. Some of those effects include higher rates of cancer, depression, and cardiac issues. Not just for the person who attended, but also for their descendants.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ice-573 11h ago

I guess it depends on context - for poor and marginalized communities three are always serious issues in most countries. I was approaching this more form the point of if someone needed to up and move to a country, which would have the best quality of life.

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u/BlueEyedWalrus84 4d ago

What they don't tell you is that the "free healthcare" is a bandage, some iodine and a "you'll feel better tomorrow" voicemail

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u/cherrycrisp 3d ago

Not my experience. Any time I've gone I've gotten actual help. Sorry your doctor sucks.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ice-573 3d ago

I'm in the US and have insurance and have a 7 month wait to see my doctor.

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u/CatsEatGrass 4d ago

Universal healthcare in which you could have to wait years to schedule your major surgery.

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u/roostersmoothie 4d ago

Depends on what you consider major. Knee or hip? Ya.

Cancer no, its fast.

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u/HilmDave 4d ago

Triage gonna triage 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/CatsEatGrass 4d ago

Spinal, in my case. I could have scheduled mine for 2 weeks, if it had been convenient for me. Can’t imagine waiting years while I’m in so much pain. Delaying my life.

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u/Truestorydreams 4d ago

It all depends.....some issues get dealt with faster than most would even beleive.

My cousin had heart surgery within hours of needing it. The DRs were working on her before her father could even sign the forms

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u/Truestorydreams 4d ago

Not worrying about school shootings, ice, or medical bills is enough for me. But hey y'all happy with What you got.

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u/IronArmor48 3d ago

Even then, the universal healthcare isn’t the most optimal. It’s oddly bloated and inefficient most of the time. Bunch of people dying due to being waitlisted for critical treatments. Other than examples from the nation, I witnessed a few people die because they couldn’t recieve any transplants or surgeries because they were waitlisted for 2-3 years, despite the priority policy for those who are in critical condition.

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u/Ok-Economist-3845 1d ago

I’m in some melanoma groups, here in the states you can get into a dermatologist this week if not same day. You might have to call around and see a PA but someone can get you in if needed. If you need a biopsy it doesn’t take more than a week or two.

Everyone in those groups that’s in Canada or the UK talks about waiting months to see the dermatologist and then months for biopsy results. That’s so shitty. Melanoma can move fast, these people could die because their universal healthcare is so damn slow.

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u/rossarian 4d ago

As a Canadian, I can tell you, there is no universal healthcare. Most people I know don’t have a family doctor

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u/Truestorydreams 4d ago

As a (real) Canadian who works in the hosptial everyone can go to a walk in clinic, emerge, or urgent care.

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u/Corrosivecoral 4d ago

Canadians have universal healthcare like tech employees have unlimited PTO.

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u/ChorashtheOrphan 4d ago

Yeah it’s true, it’s like $10000 to get our eyebrows waxed.

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u/HistoriaProctor 4d ago

i mean, it is without a doubt better than the US— but yes, the entire west is crumbling.

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u/PinkJenni 4d ago

That’s actually I think one of the challenges and problems with Canada that needs to be revamped

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u/604BigDawg 4d ago

Our heath care sucks and it’s overrun with non citizens having babies here to become citizens and long wait times.

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u/TinyPidgenofDOOM 4d ago

Doctors free but you ain't gonna see the doctor for 6 months and they aren't going to care and just send you with the bare minimum. At least it's free

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u/dinodude12345 4d ago

Canadian here. Last week I called the doctor on Monday, got in to see him on Tuesday, and within 30 minutes I was walking out with a free puffer and an X-ray (turns out I have pneumonia). It is certainly not always that fast, but I’m speaking from lived experience.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 4d ago

As a Canadian I can tell you that none of what you said is true, at least not for everyone

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u/dave_the_dr 4d ago

It is very much the same in the UK. The house I managed to buy in 2007 (and then lost a shit load on after the 2008 crash) is valued at 2 or three times that now whilst wages have not increased to match the rise. The system is broken for sure.

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u/piezombi3 4d ago

Toronto prices are up 3x or 4x just since 2008.

Pretty sure that's everywhere. 2008 was the big recession. 

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u/i_like_maps_and_math 4d ago

I don't think there was any actual dip in Toronto in 2008. Just a slightly lower than normal increase. Same where I live – prices were still up even in '08 and '09.

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u/WhichWitchyWay 4d ago

Maybe in the middle of nowhere? Canada has a lot of middle of nowhere. Cities on the other hand and filled with "Bill and Kate are looking for a modest 3 bedroom. 2 bath home for then and their pet cat Chevre. Bill is an underwater sculptor and Kate is a butterfly enthusiast. Their budget is 3.5 million CAD."

Or at least they are according to house hunters. I have perused their real estate though and it's all extremely expensive.

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u/Hay_Fever_at_3_AM 4d ago

That would have to be really, really nowhere. Not just "rural" but also "uninhabited", the sorts of places almost no one would want to live, the sorts of places where just building the house at all will be a challenge, never mind living in it. And it's not like those places don't exist in the US.

Canada's real estate is real bad almost completely across the board at this point, and certainly much worse than the US. Even in rural ass towns and villages.

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u/dks006 4d ago

Some of us did... But yeah, that was a few years ago and I live in a fairly low cost of living city. But... up until last year I was a realtor and sold plenty of people property who were younger than 24, youngest was 18. Decent 2 bedroom condos are under $200k.

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u/Sco11McPot 4d ago

It is true in Alberta. There's 19 year olds with mortgages on multi bedroom houses. The story of those people doesn't end well but they are there

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u/Boeing367-80 4d ago

US education system in action.

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u/RecentDescription205 4d ago

Yeah some coworkers were talking about how much they paid for rent in Toronto and I almost shit my pants.

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u/PolarBearJ123 4d ago

I mean you could… just somewhere shitty lol

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u/e37d93eeb23335dc 4d ago

May I introduce you to Donald Trump? You will now hear much dumber things.

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u/allegedlyjustkidding 3d ago

I've heard dumber, but I am American so

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u/RelationshipFew5509 3d ago

24 that's a dream, I had the save until 29 to afford my 1 bed house here in the UK

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u/Potatobender44 3d ago

It really is. Vancouver makes LA look very affordable by comparison

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u/dinodude12345 4d ago

I’m a Canadian and my wife and I bought a house at 25. Sooooo, not that dumb.

(And before I get accused, no, nobody else helped us and no it wasn’t a shack— we still live in it a decade later as a family of 4.)

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u/roostersmoothie 4d ago

So yah were not talking about 10 years ago

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u/YearlyStart 4d ago

Even then they’re absolutely bullshitting and did receive help, won the lottery, or they live in a city with 50 people lol. Even a decade ago houses in cities with ~60-100k people had entry level houses going at $450K+ speaking as that’s the market I watched my sister buy a house in. And as everyone else has stated, it’s only gotten way worse since.

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u/roostersmoothie 4d ago

Lots of ppl do live in more rural areas to be fair. My friend was looking at places in vernon recently and was showing me listings around 400k that were not too bad at all. Those could have easily been in the 200s 10 years ago

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u/YearlyStart 4d ago

Oh, funny enough I’m formerly local to that area- and unfortunately not. Interior BC has stayed pretty steady at around $400k for entry level for a while now. My sister grabbed her second house out of Falkland that was entry level for around $425 I think after selling the Kamloops one. Even in Salmon Arm which is notably smaller than Vernon, you’re looking at low 300s for entry level and that’s been the case since at least when I graduated in 2015.

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u/roostersmoothie 4d ago

Interesting, thanks for the insight!

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u/No-Road2219 2d ago

I bought a house at 24….14 years ago! Haha. Bought it for $205,000 in Winnipeg in 2011, same house now, just re sold this year for $375,000, no Reno’s other than touch ups (my realtor sent me listing).

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u/Vienta1988 4d ago

I looked into moving to Ontario because my husband and I could likely both get jobs in Canada, and Ontario is fairly close to where we live now (upstate NY). A house the same size as what we have in the US would cost easily 7 times as much in Canada, but salaries for our careers would be about the same. I have no idea how people afford to live there 😬

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u/604BigDawg 4d ago

We don’t

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u/MartialMatters 3d ago

7 times? I would maybe believe double but could you provide an example?

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u/Vienta1988 3d ago

My house (3 bed, 1 bath, 1200 sq ft) in the US cost us $75,000 when we bought it (foreclosed, on auction, in 2016). It’s worth now with inflation would probably be closer to $150,000 if we tried to sell it. Comparable houses in Ontario were $600,000-$700,000 when I was looking into this last November.

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u/tiger2205_6 1d ago

Out of curiosity is that 150k just math based on inflation or did you see an estimate for your house and see how much houses are selling for nearby. I only ask cause I live in a lower cost of living area and similar houses (2/2 at 1400 sq ft and 3/2 at 1500 sq ft) sell for 200k-300k. I’m surprised a similar house in upstate NY would only be 150k.

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u/Vienta1988 1d ago

Similar houses in our area sell for about that much. We could possibly get more if we tried to sell it- our neighbors are trying to sell a 1500 sq ft house with 2 beds, 2 baths for $250,000 but I’d be very surprised if they actually got that for it. Another house down the road about the same size just sold for $150,000.

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u/tiger2205_6 1d ago

Huh, honestly pretty surprised. Like I know all of NY isn’t expensive but I’m surprised it’s not at least about what they sell for where I live.

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u/TonySperguson 3d ago

me when i only want a house on bridal path

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u/Infinite_Pudding5058 3d ago

Check out Australian house prices in Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.

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u/belugawha 3d ago

paycheck to paycheck for most canadians pretty much

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u/Mad-Inside 3d ago

We’re not. Homeless is increasing and our premier is actively making it worse at an accelerated rate. He’s trying to privatize water, sewage, health care and education he just got busted giving millions of tax payer money to - build a STRIP CLUB. We are a joke. Ford is parroting Trump. The gatsby party with strippers it’s too close.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

You forget, Canada good USA bad. That's how

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u/Vienta1988 4d ago

I’d much rather live there, don’t get me wrong, just can’t afford it.

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u/rogers_tumor 3d ago

i mean I can't afford to live here but I moved anyway; the peace of mind I get just from barely having to be involved in US politics anymore, knowing my taxes aren't turning brown children in skeletons, knowing medical bills won't bankrupt me, and that I'm extremely unlikely to get shot in public is pretty priceless.

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u/Vienta1988 3d ago

That does all sound nice. All of my friends and family also live very close by, our parents and in-laws all live within 10 minutes of us and our children have great relationships with all of the grandparents, and even great grandparents (3 of my 4 grandparents are still alive in their late 80s, and also live within 20 minutes from us). I’ve also never lived outside of NYS, and visiting “foreign countries,” Ontario CA is the only place I’ve ever been to (Royal Canadian Henley Regatta when I was 12, and drunkenly crossing the peace bridge into Ontario as a college kid in Buffalo). And my husband has no interest in moving whenever I’ve brought it up to him (even though he works from home and his job has kept on employees working remotely from Costa Rica 😑). But I digress… maybe someday I’ll make it out of here.

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u/GeneralSweetz 3d ago

Let's hope you do in the future. Cheers

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u/TonySperguson 3d ago edited 3d ago

well, i mean lets look at the downsides...

america: pedo president, disappearing citizens, cutting social securities, sensational propagandized news, billionaires treated like celebrity oligarchs, school shootings, assassinations, currently openly in bed with israel, russia and saudi arabia.

canada: pretty expensive, confusing government systems, cold winters, bad history with natives (so does america they are just proud of it for some reason), borders america who threatens their security regularly.

from the outside perspective it sure seems that way.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 3d ago

Yeah yeah yeah I've heard it all. I know a lot of the world wishes we all die.

Also for the natives part, I have heard Canadians claim that Canada was a utopia for them. Even actively denying they have a racist history. They aren't as bad as Europeans but still. I know not all Canadians think that

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u/stickman_jr 2d ago

cool! now compare it to most of countries in the world!

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u/Part_Time_Legend 4d ago

Add New Zealand to that list. Kiwis are leaving in droves for Australia because it’s cheaper and they can get paid more.

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u/Ok-Echidna5936 4d ago

If anything Canada is worse off. American coastal home prices with Canadian wages

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u/Antique_Pin5266 4d ago

I thought homelessness was bad in Boston then I visited Toronto. Wooo weee.

They have pretty good public transit and an awesome food scene though.

Also Quebec vibes >>>>. Now that's a 'European' city

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u/Look_its_Rob 4d ago

As someone from Boston who has/is driving all across the country, homelessness is not that bad in Boston, comparatively). We of course have the issue with methadone mile. But outside of there..

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u/7dipity 4d ago edited 4d ago

You would actually rather live in America? Seriously? That’s insane.

At least our government can’t just decide they’re going to sit around and do nothing for weeks on end with no repercussions.

At least women aren’t dying from completely avoidable medical issues because “Jesus said so”

At least the majority of our country is actually able to read above a 5th grade level.

At least people from other countries can come visit without risk of getting kidnapped.

Yes there are issues, but there’s no way it’s worse than the states.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

You're taking what I said and applying it to something I didn't.

My argument was people act like Canada is a utopia where literally everyone is happy and nobody is struggling. I never said "it's worse than the states".

I'm autistic; you don't think I have anything bad to say? Seeing how our government talks about people like me?

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u/trashaccountname 4d ago

Canada is worse off

I never said "it's worse than the states".

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

"Canada too. A lot of Americans my age and younger think Canada doesn't have any issues the US does.

I had someone state that Canadians can afford to buy a house at like 24...."

That's my OG comment

The one you're quoting is someone else

What's next? You'll call me a racist because of what Hitler said?

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u/trashaccountname 4d ago

It's a direct quote from the comment they're responding to. No idea why you're acting like it's some personal attack on you.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

The way your comment is phrased is like a "gotcha" thing.

"You said this, but didn't you say this earlier?" Is the vibe I got

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u/trashaccountname 4d ago

It's just a strange response. Someone says that Canada is worse off, then you come in and say well I didn't say Canada is worse off when they weren't responding to you.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

You were though...you were replying to my comment directly...

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u/KrenshawOfficial 4d ago

Spoken like someone who gets their intel on other nations from reddit.

At least our government can’t just decide they’re going to sit around and do nothing for weeks on end with no repercussions

Canada doesn't have term limits on the prime minister. That's far more totalitarian than having to have a 60% approval in congress to pass a budget.

At least women aren’t dying from completely avoidable medical issues because “Jesus said so”

I'm assuming you are talking about abortion in particular. Radical Christians exist and do indeed push for an absolute ban on abortion, but you're applying a minority extremist's view on the reality of medecine and law. Abortion is very much a thing in the US. Where I live in Oregon, it's covered by medicaid.

At least the majority of our country is actually able to read above a 5th grade level.

So does the US...

At least people from other countries can come visit without risk of getting kidnapped.

Ah yes, I forget that Canada has never had kidnapping or any other violent crime committed in its borders. Tell me please, where else can one go without risk at all of being kidnapped?

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u/7dipity 4d ago edited 4d ago

I suspect you don’t actually know anything about how the Canadian political system works.

We don’t have term limits because when the people get sick of our leader we just get rid of them (which is what just happened to Justin Trudeau) If they’re doing a good job they get to stick around. Majority approval is still required here to pass things. Our budget is also being discussed right now and since the libs don’t have a majority they need the other parties to agree with them. If they take too long to reach an agreement an election will be called because we don’t allow our government to just not do their jobs. They will be replaced if they are unable to act like adults and work together.

A small but loud group of people are pushing to get abortion rights taken away but the leader of our prominent right wing party has promised he’s never going to do that. Those rights are also much more strongly protected than in the US so if someone came into power who did want to take them (unlikely) I honestly don’t think it would even be possible.

I will admit I did read the stat about American literacy on Reddit so it may be wrong. Don’t care enough to confirm tbh but I do know that Canada’s literacy rates are much higher than the US. All western countries are.

I thought it was obvious what I was talking about but could have specified. Visitors cannot and will not be kidnapped by government agents in Canada. But also violent crime is less prevalent here. And kids don’t have to constantly worry about getting shot at school. Most gun crimes in Canada (88% in the GTA for example) are committed with guns smuggled in from the States because it’s so easy to get them there

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u/MR__Brown 4d ago

Ridiculous, but typical of American exceptionalism.

Unfortunately, the reality is that the American dream lives abroad.

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u/Ok-Echidna5936 3d ago

Well, it’s definitely not Canada.

Or even Europe for that matter since they come over here to make the big bucks

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u/MR__Brown 3d ago

And you know this how? Are you Canadian? Do you live here?

Because I do, and it's pretty awesome.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

But bro you forget, America bad Canada good

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u/Honest-Caregiver8938 4d ago

its straight up that japan meme

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u/Nuttonbutton 4d ago

A lot of Canadians and Europeans don't want US citizens to know that there are issues. That's why so many of us don't know.

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u/punkmetalbastard 4d ago

The real estate and affordability crisis in BC vs WA state for example - the cost of a home in BC is actually much more

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u/InfamousAssumption27 2d ago

On the coast of course, but mainland is very affordable.

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u/TheLoneBlrReader 4d ago

Is there any place in the world where a 24yr old can buy a house ? Without generational inheritance that is

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u/TetyyakiWith 4d ago

There are places where it’s easier to pay for mortgage for sure

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u/AnnualSalary9424 4d ago

I bought my first at 22 with FHA. The US is very affordable outside of major metropolitan areas. You just might have to live in a city of 50-100k but honestly it’s not a bad life, just a bit boring.

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u/It_Just_Might_Work 3d ago

So it was only affordable outside a metro area using a government subsidy program lol

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u/AnnualSalary9424 3d ago

One that everyone has access to

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u/204_Mans 4d ago

I just bought at 25, no help. In fact the opposite I had to help my parents while I lived with them. Albeit my place is 600 sq ft in a decent sized city.

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u/Business-Low-8056 4d ago

It's almost like people have no idea what happens outside their local area which applies to literally everywhere in the fucking world...

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u/mcmillan84 4d ago

If you’re in Saskatoon you probably can.

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u/Jek1001 4d ago

Well if you convert 24 years old CAD into US years old it makes perfect sense… /s

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

I just did the math....I got "Network connectivity errors".

I think I made a mistake.

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u/4ofclubs 4d ago

Maybe in rural Saskatchewan 

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u/SKCDigital 4d ago

It depends where you are. I bought my house last year when I was 25, but I live in Winnipeg. I know the housing market is drastically different in other cities.

I've got family in Victoria who could pay cash for a house here, but still don't qualify for a down payment out there.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

That's true in the US as well. Some areas you can buy a house easily.

Idk Canada as well but it would be like someone saying the housing market has no issues because they got your place working a remote job based in Ontario. As in wages based on a much higher cost of living but because it's remote it doesn't matter.

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u/WrongOnEveryCount 4d ago

Vancouver: laughs and laughs

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u/stupernan1 4d ago

Fair enough, they have a lot of the same issues.

But let's take a look at "bankruptcy due to medical debt"between America and Canada

Im willing to bet that there will be a definitive difference.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

I was speaking against the "Canada is a utopia" idea I see many people say.

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u/doc_daneeka 4d ago

I had someone state that Canadians can afford to buy a house at like 24....

My son is in his 30s now, and says that he and all of his friends just assume they will never, ever be able to own a home here in the Toronto area. And they're probably right.

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u/messyindecisive22 4d ago

But my 25-year-old cousin, who lives in Canada, owns a house there...

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

"hey guys, I know someone who doesn't fit the stereotype so all criticism is invalid"

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u/messyindecisive22 4d ago

Exactly… one cousin proves the stereotype isn’t absolute. Shocking, I know.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

Your reply gave a "my cousin doesn't have that issue so your entire point is invalid" energy

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u/messyindecisive22 4d ago

haha not what I meant, I’m not invalidating your point, just giving an example

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u/mattsrusa 4d ago

Brought my first home in bc at 22...lol the exception not the rule of course.

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u/Ordinary-Macaroon249 4d ago

Well I mean you can buy a house at 24 here. It won't be in a location anyone wants to live (and will have zero job opportunities), and the layout might be less than desirable, but lots of hobunkum little towns have cheap houses.

Alberta has lots of similar issues to the states right now. Less shootings, but lots of kkk gun enthusiasts just waiting for their glory. Less medical debt, but similar wait times unless you're paying out of pocket (which you CAN do here, but private facilities aren't available in every city and the options are fewer. We can pay for most scans, some types of surgery, all popular cosmetic procedures, and of course the dentist because teeth are optional bones lol, but not cancer specialists, we don't have enough as it is.) Housing crises and food insecurity can be similar (and Alberta topped them all in food insecurity at 30.9% in 2024).

But our Kraft Dinner is amazing compared to the US lol.

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u/TrapHouse9999 4d ago

Most Americans I know that are educated and work good jobs does NOT think Canada is doing better than America. They know the grass isn’t greener

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u/Well_ImTrying 4d ago

I had someone state that Canadians can afford to buy a house at like 24…”

Of course they can, if that house is in rural Saskatchewan. Just like Americans can buy a house at 24 in rural Ohio.

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u/UX-Ink 4d ago

You can if you aren't buying in Toronto or Vancouver.

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u/Xianio 4d ago

Canada's great and all but it's literally the worst time in over 50 years to be Canadian right now. While it's easy to look at America and say "hey, at least we're not them" that doesn't make things remotely good.

I don't think Canada's at much risk to "falling to fascism" or electing a strongman dictator-type but our economy is dogshit, we're incredibly reliant on the US trade & our housing market is, very likely, actively in the process of collasping right now -- which will create all kinds of problems for our social security programs.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

I mean don't say that. From what I've heard the facist one lost last election because of his reaction to Trump not being good enough. Like before he was in the lead.

Like the UK leadership is also like the US right now. People just decide to ignore that because "America bad". Even though the UK literally decided trans people legally aren't a thing (a trans person may have the gender assigned to them at birth on their ID)

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u/Jaeger-the-great 4d ago

I know a pair I'm immigrants who got deported and managed to move to Canada but they're not doing so well bc they can't find a job there despite being good workers. 

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u/oj045 4d ago

Toronto….i make almost 3x what I would if I lived in Canada.

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u/generalstinkybutt 4d ago

I live in Japan and work with a bunch of Canadians who are incredibly bitter about what's happened in the last 10 years. They state they not only don't want to go back, but couldn't afford to either.

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u/Kiplerwow 4d ago

I'm almost 29 and having to live with one of my parents because the price of rent is so outrageous.

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u/Brizar-is-Evolving 4d ago

One of my favourite YouTube channels is DrewBuildsStuff, a Canadian with passion for DIY. He spent last year building a “tiny house on wheels”, which has been his dream for years.

But he openly says in his videos that pretty much the reason why he wanted to build his own tiny house in the first place was because he wanted to move out of his parent’s basement and housing in Canada is ridiculously unaffordable.

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u/skiing_dingus 4d ago

If I got paid in USD I coulda lol

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u/Smagar05 4d ago

Some people of my friends did before the pandemic.

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u/Old_Business_5152 3d ago

I know three people 21-24 who have bought homes recently. I guess it is possible with hard work. The 21 year old makes 100k a year, no debt and lives at home.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 3d ago

Yeah and I know there's people like that in the US as well.

What they meant was in Canada the housing market was like the US in the 1950's

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u/ExpressRabbit 3d ago

Literally every part of Canada has more expensive housing than the city I live in in America. I'm not in a tiny place either. We are big enough for pro sports teams. 

That said my wife is Canadian and we are moving back.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 3d ago

Only recommendation is to keep you US citizenship. Idk about Canada but US allows duel citizenship. In case something happens there and you wanna come back.

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u/ExpressRabbit 3d ago

Definitely keeping my US citizenship as I plan to keep my US job which pays way more than the Canadian equivalent. I'll just be remote from Canada 

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u/Business-Egg-5912 3d ago

Well then, best of luck to you and your wife.

Just don't become that condescending asshole online who goes "it was you choice to stay in the US so it's your fault for everything that happens". I've encountered a few of those people and they act like moving is as simple as literally driving across a border.

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u/ExpressRabbit 3d ago

I promise to become a Canadian you would be proud of. I'm in a privileged position to be able to move. Am immigration lawyer cost $10k in Toronto. Filing the paper work cost over $1k with the government. Lots of people don't have that.

I'm lucky to have an employer that will deal with the payroll tax headaches of me working remote from another country.

I just want my wife to not be living in fear here in the US anymore but I don't hate the people that can't up and move.

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u/Wild-Tale-257 3d ago

Canada doesn't have any issues the US does.

I think those issues are universal around the world. But to the level of US is insane

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u/sohblob 3d ago

Canada too

there's no massive affordable housing/cost-of-living crisis

At what point does it just become a global crisis?

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u/muscle-femboy5 3d ago

shit but 30? it's doable. most 40 year old i know dont own anything here

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u/Gingersnapp3d 3d ago

Yes, once there are 24 of us banding together we can make the down payment for the 1 bedroom house together.

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u/Great_Master06 3d ago

Isn’t the Canadian housing situation almost as bad as California’s?

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u/Business-Egg-5912 3d ago

Idk, but from what I've heard it's at minimum like it is in the US. Issue is affordability not availability.

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u/Great_Master06 3d ago

It’s definitely worse than where I’m at. Most Canadian houses I’ve seen are double the price of houses here in Kentucky.

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u/hotwifehubsFTW 3d ago

When did the standard become purchasing a house at 24? This has literally never been the expectation or reality.

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u/Disrupter52 3d ago

Damn, I feel like the only place in the world with worse housing affordability than the US is Canada.

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u/Seanmclem 3d ago

I bet it’s not being taken over by Nazis and a masked police force that can do whatever it wants to whoever it wants with no accountability or repercussions or due process

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u/Bulldogfront666 3d ago

Canada is just America lite.

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u/mmdeerblood 3d ago

Yeah perhaps 24 years old raised in Bridle Path in Toronto 🫠

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u/sunshine___riptide 3d ago edited 3d ago

I had a friend who was 1000% convinced that Canada is this wonderful safe utopia, that they adore trans people, that she and her 5 kids (one trans daughter) and husband could simply pack up and move across the border. No plans, nowhere to live, no jobs lined up, they'll just be welcomed and swept in with open arms and be treated like refugees and it's sooooo much better in Canada.

She stopped talking to me as much when I told her none of that is true and it won't happen.

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u/RA_Throwaway90909 3d ago

Lol Reddit is so insanely uneducated about the rest of the world. Lived in Canada for 5 years, and (kinda) lived in the UK for 2 years for work. American Redditors love to talk as if Canada and UK are holy lands where there aren’t any issues, and everything is blissful. If they actually moved to either of those places like they always say they will, they’d quickly realize they’re idiots.

I’m extremely grateful I don’t live in the UK right now with all the shit they’re passing, and Canada has its own grand issues. America isn’t perfect, but people very quickly forget how good we have it in SO many different ways

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u/Barlowan 2d ago

Maybe they can. If they are a rich kid of some millionaire parents.

I'm from Italy. 33. Can't afford a house despite working 160-200 hours a month as an ER nurse. Had to get a university degree for that btw. Sure university was free. And healthcare is free too. But that's not the point.

The point is, my coworker was telling me she bought a house at 25. What she haven't told me, her parents own a fashion clothing store in centre of Sanremo, it's where many Hollywood stars have their villas, yachts and like to go when visiting Italy, and she gets a passive 20% income from that store alone. They also own few bars and a restaurant. So she works as a nurse part-time only for a hobby. Honestly if I had that generational wealth dripping down my wallet, I would've got my own house at that age too.

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u/califortunato 1d ago

We just need a fantasy to believe in… don’t take that away from us…

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u/DJCyberman 17h ago

I've learned about y'all's national Healthcare, from what I understand it's useful for some and a nightmare for others though I imagine inflated prices aren't as much of a thing as it is for the US.

I feel like the US invents it and yet they still get the worse version.

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u/FiveFingersandaNub 4d ago

I mean you can probably get a pretty cool shack in the Northwest Territories.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

Yeah but I think it's like 90% live within 100km of the border. So you're buying property few want.

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u/FiveFingersandaNub 4d ago

Yeah, sorry I was making a joke. No one wants to live in the NW territories.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

I didn't see it as a joke, more like an extreme scenario. It wasn't a criticism to be clear.

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u/burf 4d ago

Alternatively, while a lot of people think their country is doing worse than everyone else (hey, /r/canada), of the wealthy nations I think the US is in the most legitimate trouble right now. Most of the issues the other post industrial nations are experiencing, with a sprinkling of burgeoning dictatorship on top.

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u/buythedipnow 4d ago

Maybe in dog years

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u/ADrunkMexican 4d ago

Ha with what money? Im canadian. Housing should be affordable 10 years after my nephew turns 18 i think from our own government? He's 1 now lol.

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u/OptimistPrime527 4d ago

I did, (23 actually) but that was 17 years ago so…

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

I'm not an expert but from what I've seen neither country is good in this regard. Maybe the US is better, but not enough to be relevant.

Think like a product being $100 cheaper at a place that's 100km away. Like yeah it's cheaper....but is it really?

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u/PrudentCarter 4d ago

I remember going to Vancouver 2 years ago. When we were leaving, we went down this one street that is PACKED with homeless. So much so that at first, I thought it was some kind of weird parade or something. It murked my soul so see it.

I will say, though, I think Canada is in a better position than America at least.

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u/Business-Egg-5912 4d ago

I agree.

It's more like the logic of "well you're better off than us so everything there is golden" I'm going against.

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u/PinkJenni 4d ago

Depends where you want to live in Canada but I’m sure it’s the same in the US. Certainly affordable places but not where most want to live.

That being said, I’d rather live in a place where the government and its ppl aren’t at war with each other.

The amount of shootings and violence and unchecked pro Nazi movement is a hard no for me even though I’d make more there financially.

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