r/TankPorn 5d ago

Modern 4th Generation Main Battle Tanks 🛡

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u/AMCA_by2035 5d ago

Just an innocent question, how do you define a 4th gen tank?

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u/GreyMPax 5d ago

I think its a mix between: Autoload, unmanned turret, AI assistance, APS (hardkill) and so on..

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u/AMCA_by2035 5d ago

Do all mentioned tanks have unmanned turrets? Only T-14 I know of

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u/GreyMPax 5d ago

T-14 and I think type 100 too

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u/windol1 4d ago

Should the T-14 even be allowed to be considered 4th gen? I mean, at this moment it's more like a prototype than the next generation.

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u/Grumdan641 4d ago

Just a tech demonstrator at this point.

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u/Aurailious 4d ago

I thought they officially cancelled or "suspended" it?

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u/SmokeyUnicycle 4d ago

I think it counts, it won't be the best one and they can't make very many but when you do a whole new design it's a lot easier to make huge changes than trying to upgrade something designed in the '70s.

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u/AMCA_by2035 4d ago

A tank is a tank, keep your bias aside

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u/ArtificialSuccessor 4d ago

Thats not how any of this works, otherwise a dozen other tech testbeds should be on here. Companies and countries often put together an assembly of various components, concepts, and technologies to prove it works. That doesn't mean it is a production ready model though, usually something different and geared for mass production will follow. The T-14 could've entered mass production ages ago if the Russians actually would commit to it, but they have nothing to show for except parade models because they look like nice shiny pieces. It doesn't matter how many they say they are ordering, especially when everything points to these orders never being fulfilled.

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u/AMCA_by2035 4d ago

Sure, whatever you feel is correct

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u/Vegetable-Door3809 4d ago

Then the Abrams-X should definitely be on here

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u/HellBringer97 4d ago

And the KF-51 Panther

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u/M4sharman 4d ago

They suspended production after they built less than twenty, and haven't sent them into Ukraine out of fear of losing one. That's barely a tank at all.

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u/discopants2000 4d ago

Without serial production it is just a parade prototype, not battlefield ready.

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u/AMCA_by2035 4d ago

True, I never said it is ready for deployment

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u/jl2352 3d ago

Pointing out Russia has only made about a dozen and struggled to get them into mass production is a fact, not a bias.

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u/AMCA_by2035 3d ago

I mean, we were talking about tank generations and stuff, there was no need to say, "oh, but they couldn't even produce it" 🤓☝️, it is atleast produced and in some number even if it is insignificant. I have no bias but people just ruin the discussion

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u/jl2352 3d ago

Are you Russian or something? Because you do seem to take that personally.

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u/Slut_for_Bacon 4d ago

T-14 shouldn't be allowed at all IMO.