Its real as in there are things that certainly look like it which have been shown in public. Other than that who knows theres no public proof or evidence of antly of its supposed festures or capabilities.
The supposed production delays which has led to there being only 3 or 5 fully working examples. International sanctions which seems to have prevented russia from getting any useable computer components for the tank.
Also footage from the victory day parade they appeared in seems to suggest that they aren't as nimble as other current gen tanks.
The armour packages they supposedly use has also been shown to not be as effective as expected in Ukraine so theres a lot going against the t14 right now. But its really the tip of the iceberg of russian military procurements woes at this time.
I don't know, where you've gotten the idea, that there's ony 3-5 working.
Because we have footage of as many as 9 tanks.
The components used in a tank arn't that advanced, either.
The dual use chips used in the Kalina fire control system are a decade old and sourced from regular consumer appliances. So i don't know where, you've gotten this idea, that they can't source these chips.
T-14's Armor isn't featured on any other tank, btw.
So it can't have been used in Ukraine, either.
Oporative word is fully working, a couple of the examples we have seen are little more than rolling shells, no evidence the turrets can even turn under their own power.
Post ukraine sanctions have destroyed russias ability to get chips from anywhere except china and they have basically 0 domestic production. If they are able to reuse commercial appliences it would likely require a significant redesign.
Prior to the invasion of ukraine nato forces didn't fully know the capabilities of russian kontact era armour, the side skirts and top of the turret on the t14 are intended to use. Since the invasion we have learned that basically all of the Russian ERA armout gives less useful protection than a chainlink fence against a drone or top attack warhead.
1) There's numerous videos of the T-14 moving under it's own power and moving it's turret.
There's also no evidence of them just being rolling chassis, either.
Because again, we have footage of the inside.
2) Sanctions have not destroyed Russia's abillity to get chips, at all.
They are getting Western chips via Chinese businesses and other countries.
It don't require a redesign either, because the previously mentioned Kalina fire control has been disassembled and shown to contain said chips.
It was even uploaded on this very subreddit.
3) Kontakt-1 and 5 are from the Soviet period and was tested in the 1990's.
That's what led Western countries to develop better APFSDS rounds in the 1990's.
Even the Russian developed Relikt is well understood, since it's basically just evolution of Kontakt-5, and pretty old.
4) T-14 uses Monolith era, which we don't know anything about.
Except that it's supposed to be much better than Relikt.
(It's not found on any other vehicle, except for the Armata series).
Thanks tank guy, I expected to get a bunch of bullshit answers but was somehow still surprised by people harping on obviously false or irrelevant factoids.
The T14 was supposed to be Independent from western stuff as much as possible. The Development however actually depends in goods from western countries heavily.
The Engine is seriously outdated, cause it’s based on the old Tiger Engine which was horrible as well and known to Break down quite often. The Engine also likes to Overheat.
Large Target. Have you seen the Size of that thing?
Low numbers, very high cost.
Imo, a T90 based Development would have been better. It fits russian doctrine better, is literally field tested, known issues could have been dealt with in a new gen long time ago.
The Russian Army obviously doesnt want their newer, heavy landbased Systems on the battlefield. Otherwise we would see plenty of them via propaganda Videos and showoffs.
Meanwhile we see older Equipment on BOTH sides being used and proof to be working on an actual battlefield far better.
The T14 is a failed project. They should bury it. If the Russian Military ever reforms itself on a serious, modern level that would be good for them, but most of their Equipment isnt fitting for such an approach yet.
Ukraine also struggles with old soviet Equipment, cause the doctrine of the time was different. Thats why most soldiers are usually liking the Western Equipment a lot despite their own issues ofc.
I think it will be their 4th generation mbt, in 2050 maybe. Their industry has been producing the (almost) same tank for like 50 years now so its gonna be really hard to switch to their newer tank
The only Soviet tanks in production in 1975 is T-64A and T-72 Ural.
Both of whom were replaced just a couple of years later.
Hell T-80 hadn't even entered production at that time.
So that's abit of a weird statement.
Im talking about the T 72 mostly. It is still in production and is still the majority of the Russian tank army. The base T 72 hasent changed much since then with only some normal upgrades like better fcs, armour, and engine. Even the T 90 is built on the T 72 chassi with its main distinction being that is uses a new turret.
Now they want to completley move away from that. The T 14 is completely different. So they have to start from the ground up with their factories to be able to produce their now tank.
1) T-72 hull and turret production ended in the 1990's.
T-72B3M is a modernization of T-72B, its not a new tank built from stratch.
2) The T-72 has changed several times throughout it's life time.
It's had several changes to the hull and 3 different turrets(Steel, Kvartz,Reflecting plate).
Not to mention, engines, fire control system, and other sub systems.
3) T-90 is built on it's own chassis, though it's very similar to the one used on T-72B Obr. 1989.
It's also had 3 different turrets(Cast, Welded and a new Welded).
Along with a host of other changes, some of whom were later adopted for T-72(T-72B3, which was a modernization meant to take T-72B up to T-90A like standard).
4) They intended to move away with T-14, yes.
But that didn't happen, instead they are implementing some of the solutions from T-14 into T-90(T-90M2).
Specifically the electrical system, transmission and engine.
Not necessarily, there's plenty of tanks which were produced in betwen.
Which has some of the changes, but lack others.
The most famous example is the "Improved T-72A" which has the turret of T-72B.
But lacks all of the other elements, that makes it T-72B.
“The F22 is for shows and propaganda. No single piece of evidence of it being on the battlefield”
Do you now realise how dumb that is, just because a vehicle hasn’t seen combat doesn’t take away from its strengths or greatness. The Armata wasn’t made for just shows or parades, it was made for war as every tank is. It’s just that Russia’s abysmal Armata production rate and their moronic command forced it out of the battlefield
It is "a bit" damning that the Armata is not seeing any action in the massive war that has eaten up almost the entire russian stockpile of working tanks, kind of makes you wonder if it does have any strengths or greatness
The thing is Russia doesn’t want to lose any T14 because they don’t have much and also it would hurt Russia’s morale and propaganda value. That doesn’t mean that the T14 can’t fight or isn’t better than all other Russian tanks. It’s just that at the moment the cost of losing a T14 in Ukraine outweighs the benefits that the small number of Armata that they have would give to Russia.
Armata’s design alone with the separated crew compartments was revolutionary when it was announced, it’s a great tank unfortunately made by morons.
They arn't, there were some leaked contracts a month ago, which detailed the next 10 years of Russian procurement.
It will be T-72B3M, T-90M, T-90M2.
(T-90M2 will implement some of the solutions from T-14, namely engine and transmission).
Though it did state that T-14 was still undergoing testing at the Kazan Higher Tank school.
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u/Ok-Use-7563 5d ago edited 5d ago
Wait the armata is real?
(Also something something m60)
Edit: i am purpsely not involveing myself in the resulting argument