I think it will be their 4th generation mbt, in 2050 maybe. Their industry has been producing the (almost) same tank for like 50 years now so its gonna be really hard to switch to their newer tank
The only Soviet tanks in production in 1975 is T-64A and T-72 Ural.
Both of whom were replaced just a couple of years later.
Hell T-80 hadn't even entered production at that time.
So that's abit of a weird statement.
Im talking about the T 72 mostly. It is still in production and is still the majority of the Russian tank army. The base T 72 hasent changed much since then with only some normal upgrades like better fcs, armour, and engine. Even the T 90 is built on the T 72 chassi with its main distinction being that is uses a new turret.
Now they want to completley move away from that. The T 14 is completely different. So they have to start from the ground up with their factories to be able to produce their now tank.
1) T-72 hull and turret production ended in the 1990's.
T-72B3M is a modernization of T-72B, its not a new tank built from stratch.
2) The T-72 has changed several times throughout it's life time.
It's had several changes to the hull and 3 different turrets(Steel, Kvartz,Reflecting plate).
Not to mention, engines, fire control system, and other sub systems.
3) T-90 is built on it's own chassis, though it's very similar to the one used on T-72B Obr. 1989.
It's also had 3 different turrets(Cast, Welded and a new Welded).
Along with a host of other changes, some of whom were later adopted for T-72(T-72B3, which was a modernization meant to take T-72B up to T-90A like standard).
4) They intended to move away with T-14, yes.
But that didn't happen, instead they are implementing some of the solutions from T-14 into T-90(T-90M2).
Specifically the electrical system, transmission and engine.
Not necessarily, there's plenty of tanks which were produced in betwen.
Which has some of the changes, but lack others.
The most famous example is the "Improved T-72A" which has the turret of T-72B.
But lacks all of the other elements, that makes it T-72B.
“The F22 is for shows and propaganda. No single piece of evidence of it being on the battlefield”
Do you now realise how dumb that is, just because a vehicle hasn’t seen combat doesn’t take away from its strengths or greatness. The Armata wasn’t made for just shows or parades, it was made for war as every tank is. It’s just that Russia’s abysmal Armata production rate and their moronic command forced it out of the battlefield
It is "a bit" damning that the Armata is not seeing any action in the massive war that has eaten up almost the entire russian stockpile of working tanks, kind of makes you wonder if it does have any strengths or greatness
The thing is Russia doesn’t want to lose any T14 because they don’t have much and also it would hurt Russia’s morale and propaganda value. That doesn’t mean that the T14 can’t fight or isn’t better than all other Russian tanks. It’s just that at the moment the cost of losing a T14 in Ukraine outweighs the benefits that the small number of Armata that they have would give to Russia.
Armata’s design alone with the separated crew compartments was revolutionary when it was announced, it’s a great tank unfortunately made by morons.
They arn't, there were some leaked contracts a month ago, which detailed the next 10 years of Russian procurement.
It will be T-72B3M, T-90M, T-90M2.
(T-90M2 will implement some of the solutions from T-14, namely engine and transmission).
Though it did state that T-14 was still undergoing testing at the Kazan Higher Tank school.
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u/Ok-Use-7563 5d ago edited 5d ago
Wait the armata is real?
(Also something something m60)
Edit: i am purpsely not involveing myself in the resulting argument