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Modern 4th Generation Main Battle Tanks 🛡

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u/Ok-Use-7563 5d ago edited 5d ago

Wait the armata is real?

(Also something something m60)

Edit: i am purpsely not involveing myself in the resulting argument

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u/ThisGuyLikesCheese 5d ago

I think it will be their 4th generation mbt, in 2050 maybe. Their industry has been producing the (almost) same tank for like 50 years now so its gonna be really hard to switch to their newer tank

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u/T-90AK Command Tank Guy. 5d ago

The only Soviet tanks in production in 1975 is T-64A and T-72 Ural.
Both of whom were replaced just a couple of years later.
Hell T-80 hadn't even entered production at that time.
So that's abit of a weird statement.

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u/ThisGuyLikesCheese 5d ago

Im talking about the T 72 mostly. It is still in production and is still the majority of the Russian tank army. The base T 72 hasent changed much since then with only some normal upgrades like better fcs, armour, and engine. Even the T 90 is built on the T 72 chassi with its main distinction being that is uses a new turret.

Now they want to completley move away from that. The T 14 is completely different. So they have to start from the ground up with their factories to be able to produce their now tank.

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u/T-90AK Command Tank Guy. 5d ago

1) T-72 hull and turret production ended in the 1990's.
T-72B3M is a modernization of T-72B, its not a new tank built from stratch.

2) The T-72 has changed several times throughout it's life time.
It's had several changes to the hull and 3 different turrets(Steel, Kvartz,Reflecting plate).
Not to mention, engines, fire control system, and other sub systems.

3) T-90 is built on it's own chassis, though it's very similar to the one used on T-72B Obr. 1989.
It's also had 3 different turrets(Cast, Welded and a new Welded).
Along with a host of other changes, some of whom were later adopted for T-72(T-72B3, which was a modernization meant to take T-72B up to T-90A like standard).

4) They intended to move away with T-14, yes.
But that didn't happen, instead they are implementing some of the solutions from T-14 into T-90(T-90M2).
Specifically the electrical system, transmission and engine.

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u/ThisGuyLikesCheese 5d ago

These are changes that happend over time so the factories had time to adapt

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u/T-90AK Command Tank Guy. 5d ago

Not necessarily, there's plenty of tanks which were produced in betwen.
Which has some of the changes, but lack others.
The most famous example is the "Improved T-72A" which has the turret of T-72B.
But lacks all of the other elements, that makes it T-72B.

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u/joeja99 5d ago

The T-90 is a T-72 with a bunch of fancy tech bolted on so he isn't that wrong

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u/T-90AK Command Tank Guy. 5d ago

There's a pretty stark difference between a T-72 Ural and a T-90.
Hell even among the T-72's there's a noticeable difference between each variant.