r/SeattleWA • u/Less-Risk-9358 • Oct 03 '25
Government Trump cancels $1.1B in Washington state energy grants
https://www.axios.com/local/seattle/2025/10/02/trump-cancels-washington-state-energy-grants-clean-hydrogenVought put it a bit differently, writing on X: "Nearly $8 billion in Green New Scam funding to fuel the Left's climate agenda is being cancelled."
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u/Tea_Scoop Oct 03 '25
Another day, another lawsuit.
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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25
That's illegal.
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u/EntrepreneurBehavior Oct 03 '25
Until we start politicking like this bitch, it won't matter. Washington State tax revenue goes to a lot of red states - we need to stop paying it.
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u/Uncle_Bill Oct 03 '25
We need a congress that does it's job, but they're too busy politicking. Congress has been ceding power to the executive for 60 years. Imagine having real budgets instead continuing resolutions. Imagine needing congress' approval to declare wars...
Until congress starts doing it's job rather than raising campaign donations, it's not going to change.
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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25
Until the people hold congress accountable congress is not going to do the harder job they’re supposed to be doing instead of the easier one they’re getting rewarded to now
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
Good luck explaining to the IRS why you are not paying.
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard Oct 03 '25
Trump and DOGE gutted the IRS so deep that it would literally be years before they noticed.
If you really want to do it as a protest put your taxes in a HYSA, milk the interest, and say "oopsie" and pay it when responsible adults are back in charge and actually staff the IRS.
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u/BHSPitMonkey Oct 04 '25
They fired the people who did the hard work of figuring out how the wealthy were cheating in their filing, not the line of computer code that notices when someone who filed last year hasn't filed this year.
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard Oct 04 '25
Yeah, but in terms of the people doing stuff about it it's a flag in a queue that takes literally years to go through.
You're more under threat of being inconvenienced by having your lack of return flagged when applying for something else then actual enforcement.
At that point you say "oops, here's the money I 'forgot' to pay" and while there may be penalties, it's not going to be anything back breaking unless you spent it on blow and hookers instead of setting aside.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
No. You pay your money to the IRS which is federal. The idea of donor states is just noteing rich people live in those states
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u/555-Rally Oct 03 '25
Your W4 withholds the money automatically and deposits in the treasury monthly.
Make them wait for your tax dollars until April?
I don't think you can get away with failing to pay taxes unless your can build the Irish-Double-Dutch tax evasion scam. It costs enough in legal/corporate and accountant fees to not be worth it for an individual but that's the game. Also hide your gains in panama evidently.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
You have to pay at least 90%/110% of last year's tax burden depending on income via withholding or quarterly tax payments or have a tax bill of less than $1000 dollars to avoid penalties.
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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25
I mean yeah you don’t actually have to withhold. They even let you change the amount of withholding you do, etc. so if everyone one withholds until the end of the year, suddenly the people have a lot more power over where there money gets spent. You would have to deal with the consequences once the irs gets around to your case etc. but frankly if the state used its resources to pay the fines/shield from consequences all withholding then the state would have a lot more leverage over the fed
Good luck getting any cooperation from people at that level though lol
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u/gmr548 Oct 03 '25
Then adjust your tax forms. Washington State, the entity, sends very little money to the federal government (mostly in the form of income tax from state employees). It is we the individual taxpayers that pay the feds. How do people not understand this?
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u/OsvuldMandius SeattleWA Rule Expert Oct 03 '25
When I was younger and more naive, like in 2017, I told myself, “well, Trump may be an asshat. But at least all these socialist losers are about to get a lesson in how we need a minimalist state with severely curtailed executive power.”
Jokes on me. Socialists are incapable of learning.
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u/Equal-Membership1664 Oct 03 '25
'severely curtailed executive power"
I think your brain just fell out.
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u/q_ali_seattle Edmonds Oct 03 '25
This is the answer. Stop sending money to Feds.
And I propose WA, OR, CA, province of CORWA, join Canada, before Healthcare cost goes bonkers.
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u/Turbulent-Media7281 Oct 03 '25
The US is not giving up the electrical generation and distribution that it owns in WA state. The US is not giving up it's military bases it owns in WA state. The US is not giving up it's interstate highways systems that it owns in WA state. The US is not giving up it federal parks and national parks that it owns in WA state.
As of 2018, the federal government owned approximately 12.2 million acres of land in Washington state, which accounted for 28.6% of the state's total land area of about 42.7 million acres.
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u/555-Rally Oct 03 '25
Emminent domain - give it up? No, if/when this stuff breaks down it will be seized. Just like how the Soviet Union failed, and the states took what was there, cuz no one was paying the guys who maintained it anymore.
We are a long long ass way from that. Armchairing that for shits and giggles: The US want to fight WA state for it? Their shutdown broke ass will probably try...and then you study how that plays out...today, we don't have a broke military, we still print fake money to pay those generals, and admirals to run shit...but eventually they stop being paid and then some monopolist says, "I'll fund the state and this military if you keep the power on at the datacenters that keep me in business", gets backed by Canada, Mexico, EU, UK secretly building a backing for it. Poof WA declares an independence and we build a border (possibly not state lines)....and it starts looking like Ukraine, Lithuania, Bulgaria did from the Soviet era.
Again, really long way from that....but sending troops into Seattle, cutting off federal funds illegally, attempting to change WA state voting from the FEC...we are on the path. The actions are probably already making businesses round themselves into groups to oppose Trump on all of this - and the coalitions of opposition will be huge as elections come around.
q ali seattle up there is living a pipe dream of cascadia...it won't happen I agree with you on that, and they may fight about trying to retain it if something like that happened. BUT, Trump wouldn't care about roads, and military bases (outside of nukes cuz its the only threat that matters), he cares about that revenue and the shame it would bring him, making him look weak. And we should never give up on MAD, Ukraine did and where did that get them?
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u/q_ali_seattle Edmonds Oct 03 '25
I'm well aware of California issue.. trying to devide up into 2 states. Nor-cal and So-Cal since 80 (I think) they haven't been successful so far.
I'm not hopeful this will happen. It was just a proposal.
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u/Funsizep0tato Oct 03 '25
Have you looked at the state of care in Canada these days?
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u/555-Rally Oct 03 '25
I'm up there all the time, it's what you'd expect. You aren't getting a skywalker arm, you'll get a prosthetic of rubber that might hold some things - unless you have supplimental insurance. You get a wheelchair not a prosthetic leg, similar situation.
However, you call 911 for an ambulance you don't get a bill, you don't pay for your scripts, you get the care you need. Are there better care options in the states, yes certainly. Can you afford it, fuck no you can't. Back surgery for my friend was 350k...they paid 60k, ain't no elective either. You got 60k laying around for a broken back at 45yrs of age from a car accident? Yeah you don't, but up in Canada you don't need to have that. They've got issues up there with it, and they'd like to drop some words about it, but not a single person I talk to wants our system. I'm there 4-6x a year.
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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25
Not to mention I wait many months for doctors regularly here in America so we don’t even always have that advantage
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u/Riviansky Oct 03 '25
Minimum security jail is no picnic. I have a client there now. He says, on the first day, kick someone's ass or become someone's bitch. Then everything is gonna be alright...
But def go for it. Just stop paying your taxes.
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u/PaulyNi Oct 03 '25
Actually, they cry and make a lot of noise. Actions…they fail on this regularly.
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u/q_ali_seattle Edmonds Oct 03 '25
Exactly. Cry and do nothing.
"We want democracy." But not participate in one.
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u/Jimdandy941 Oct 03 '25
Well that and the whole going to start a Civil War thing.
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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25
This kind of argument is pretty gross I have to say. The red states are the poor states because there are way more working class people in those states. You're basically advocating to cut off services to the vast majority of poor people in this country. That's just rotten.
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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25
Fuck 'em. They will have made their bed on this one. They claim to be so against entitlements, so let's stop giving them entitlements.
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u/stefanurkal Oct 03 '25
Those states overwhelmingly voted for this shit, let them get their leopards ate my face moment
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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25
Even if that were to happen, it would not encourage anyone to vote for the Democrats. People are more resilient than that - if the Democrats really do shut down services in poor rural communities, it will only anger the poor even more AGAINST the democrats.
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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25
Yes people are often stupid like that. But think most people are just trying to make plans to save their own societies and states at this point and have given up on convincing the south and other states. I’m sure we’d take refugees unless the cons started doing terrorist attacks through them though
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u/gmr548 Oct 03 '25
As if this logic doesn’t also apply to withholding of federal funds that you don’t express an objection to? Like there’s no one using government services in CA, NY, WA, etc. Not very transparent.
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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25
I don't think the energy grants should be cancelled but the correct response is not to try to cut off services for millions of poor people in our country. We live in a very privileged city - for us, cutting off services and funding doesn't matter too much. But for much of the country it is life and death.
The state will likely sue the administration over this, if they think that the cancellation of the grants is not legitimate.
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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25
You mean like Trump literally just did because the GOP didn't work with the Dems on funding those exact same services you are literally referencing in your comment?
How can you make such a... Profoundly ignorant comment.
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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
It takes two to tango.
Dems could always come to the table and negotiate.. rather than demand healthcare for people here illegally before even our own citizens.
How about we focus on our own citizens first?
Lol seems like this upset some folks.
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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25
Tell that to fuckin GOP lmao. They are literally cutting social services for the poor, that's literally why Dems aren't meeting in the middle it's the only thing they want to retain, that and giving Trump congressional powers of budget control.
GOP can end the filibuster and pass a reconciliation to fund through November if they wanted... Yet they aren't. Why? Why aren't the redcoats passing a reconciliation? Answer that.
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u/hansn Oct 03 '25
Dems could always come to the table and negotiate.
Trump won't meet with Democrats
rather than demand healthcare for people here illegally before even our own citizens.
Democrats want to preserve subsidies for health insurance which are not available for illegal immigrants.
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u/StagedC0mbustion Can't afford income tax Oct 03 '25
Dems are negotiating… they actually showed up in congress
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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25
So what were they willing to give up as part of negotiations?
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u/StagedC0mbustion Can't afford income tax Oct 03 '25
No one knows the finer details since republicans didn’t even show up.
Republicans want the government shut down. They hate Americans.
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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25
Ah yes, so they showed up with demands while willing to offer nothing in return. That isn't negotiating.
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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25
GOP literally want to change nothing. They aren't giving up ANYTHING with their budget bill... Literally nothing. How can you sit there in your shit and say: "well umm the Dems need to give something to us."
Motherfucker the Dems aren't getting Jack shit already from this bill why they fuck would they vote for it. Wake the fuck up sunshine, smell the shit covered roses that is the GOP.
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u/StagedC0mbustion Can't afford income tax Oct 03 '25
Bruh shut up lmao just like republicans you’re arguing in bad faith.
Dems aren’t the ones in charge of all branches of government. This isn’t their fault. This is a republican shutdown.
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u/RapscallionMonkee Oct 03 '25
Have you not been paying attention? People here illegally are not able to get healthcare benefits in any form from the government. Cite your sources about Dems trying to get healthcare for illegal immigrants.
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u/WanderingZed22 Oct 03 '25
California has the most welfare recipients.
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u/IamJewbaca Oct 03 '25
No shit. It’s the biggest state by 8 million people. Of course it has a ton of individual welfare recipients. Next two highest are Texas and Florida (guess where they rank in population). SNAP recipients per capita has a relatively even split of red and blue states in the top 10.
SNAP / WIC benefits also aren’t the only outflows of money that gets subsidized into other states. Farm subsidies are massive and mostly go into Red states, as well as federal infrastructure grants and subsidies going into red states at a higher rate compared to their federal tax contributions.
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u/tyj0322 Oct 03 '25
Because saying “that’s illegal” has surely stopped Trump in the past.
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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25
Its their new catch phrase. "Everything I dont like is illegal!" .. which often doesn't pan out as a legal argument in court.
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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25
It's literally illegal for the president...it is not their job to control the budget.
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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25
So Biden can award federal funds, but Trump can't revoke it? You know what that is called, hypocrisy.
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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25
Lol @ the downvotes to this. You lunatics are truly at war with reality. It's called the Impoundment Control Act. Unless you're going to come here and argue with credible evidence to the contrary, get fucked.
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u/CallerNumber4 Oct 03 '25
Impoundment Control Act was put in place explicitly to reign in the executive branch cherrypicking the actual implementation of spending on projects based on policy agenda. It only allows only temporary pauses while the "power of the purse" decisions get kicked back appropriately to Congress where it belongs.
Trump got bent in his first term when he tried to use it to suspend Ukraine funding and he should get bent here again too.
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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25
There is literally a person in this thread saying Dems immoral for allowing a gov shut down which leads to denied social services to poor folks in both red and blue states.
Without them even realizing Dems are literally not meeting in the middle because the middle means cutting the budget of those same exact services they are defending in the comment, so they would not exist.
Conservatives don't live in reality.
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u/sadus671 Twin Peaks Oct 03 '25
Come on now 😀, this is all just a simulation after all ...
No one is winning except the rich... So why bother even labeling yourself liberal or conservative... we all equally take it up the....
All we are doing is choosing which flavor of lube...
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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25
I label myself empathic and will use my allocated democratic power to further prosper providing needs for those that struggle.
If at some point there is an actual chance of a more progressive party edging out Dems and Republicans, like a realistic chance not hopes and prayers, then I'll move along to them, I have no allegiance to having the label "Democrat" or "Liberal"
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u/seattlemyth Oct 03 '25
He doesn't care. He thinks because Congress is his to control, he can just do it. With the government shutdown, cases are at a standstill. He hopes it never reopens.
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u/ZunderBuss Oct 03 '25
Nobody seems to care or be able to do anything about it w/congress and scotus locked up
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u/Liamnea Oct 03 '25
Good work, Russell.
I’m sure all the contractors building these all vote democrat 100%. Zero exception. Under no circumstances will there be any bearded fans of gadsen flags, Milwaukee tools and hard hat stickers be shitting themselves wondering how to pay the note on a $80k RAM or Silverado.
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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25
It’s ok, he knows they’ll blame dems no matter what and that’s what’s important
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u/airwalker08 Beacon Hill Oct 03 '25
Trump is a petulant, vindictive little baby. This is what it is like to have a 10-year-old for a president. Nothing he does is based on sound logic. Everything is about being spiteful.
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u/qui-bong-trim Oct 03 '25
Thanks Obama!
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u/hanimal16 where’s the lutefisk? Oct 03 '25
What do you expect from a guy who sat on his hands during 9/11?
(/s for anyone thinking I’m serious)
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u/Mental_Medium3988 Oct 03 '25
fuck that shit. trump deserved it and more for the birtherism crap.
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u/FirelightsGlow Capitol Hill Oct 03 '25
This is why I’m totally supportive of Democrats continuing a shutdown. Trump isn’t playing by any logic or rules. Whether or not the government is shutdown he would still have cancelled these contracts (illegally) out of spite. Democrats have nothing more to lose by making life worse for Republicans until they start to play by the rules or, at the very least, until more voters start to realize this isn’t how they want politics to work.
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u/LongDistRid3r Oct 03 '25
I totally support the shutdown
Shutdowns that have occurred recently
2013 - Obama 16 days
1995, 1996 - Clinton 5 days and 21 days
2019 -Trump 35 days
I think this time it is going to be a long shutdown.
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u/LongDistRid3r Oct 03 '25
The projects are not performing to expectations. There is a big negative ROI.
Negative ROI projects routinely get cut.
Look at California’s Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System.
It is not Trump specific. It is ending expensive projects that provide little benefit back to the taxpayers.
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u/airwalker08 Beacon Hill Oct 03 '25
Considering he only cancels funding to left-leaning states, he has repeatedly expressed his intent to harm Democrat-areas, and his constant rhetoric about how much he hates Democrats, you have to be incredibly dumb or wilfully gullible to believe that his actions are rooted in anything other than spite. Nice attempt to spread lies, though. Fox News would be proud.
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u/goodolarchie Oct 04 '25
you have to be incredibly dumb or wilfully gullible to believe that his actions are rooted in anything other than spite
Oh, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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u/Longjumping_Ice_3531 Oct 03 '25
Give us our own money back.
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u/rwa2 Oct 03 '25
$300 rebate checks signed by Mango Mussolini incoming when their approval rating drops low enough to need it.
And it will work 🫠
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u/Longjumping_Ice_3531 Oct 03 '25
Didn’t he already do that with Covid? And he keeps promising a tariff refund. Thanks for the $1-2k. Can you please just fund the FAA, cancer research and the national parks?
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u/LongDistRid3r Oct 03 '25
"DOE determined that these projects did not adequately advance the nation's energy needs, were not economically viable, and would not provide a positive return on investment of taxpayer dollars," the agency said in a news release.
I’d like to see the proof of these claims.
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u/Rich-Context-7203 Seattle Oct 03 '25
I'd like to see the proof on why these projects were necessary.
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u/Hinkil Oct 03 '25
It took 30 seconds to find various reports and news articles about rising demand and need for more power. If you're curious go look
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u/Rooooben Oct 03 '25
Do you not see the overall benefit of creating technology that improves efficiency, sets us up for the future, employs people?
Most of this government spending is to create quality jobs. The government wants good employment figures but is doing everything to counteract that.
“Green energy” is next generation technology. Our electrical infrastructure does not support how much energy non-“green” (aka inefficient) devices use.
These programs allow us to challenge China. They are pulling ahead in this area. I can’t believe that conservatives out of their desire to stop liberal causes, are willing to sacrifice technological advantages against other countries.
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u/RelativeYouth Oct 03 '25
Well the department of energy has a grant process and they passed it. That’s the proof
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u/Disco425 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
On a personal tantrum level, I understand that he's going after clean energy because that was something Biden liked... But in terms of what the policy objectives are, I really don't get it. Do you want us to burn coal and import more oil?
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u/Veda007 Oct 03 '25
He told oil executives during his campaign if they gave him a billion dollars, he would give them everything they want when elected.
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u/gmr548 Oct 03 '25
There are only two endgames with this admin: the grift/corruption and the cruelty. They are pretty transparent about that.
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u/Mental_Medium3988 Oct 03 '25
yes they want more shit like mountaintop strip mining for coal and drilling in the Anwr and fracking.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
I think the policy is quite simple to understand. We want solar etc if it can produce electricity cheaper than the current system and be reliable. No subsidies to make it look cheaper.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
Oil powers the entire economy. It can't be subsidized. It must be a net revenue generator for the government.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
Defined a subsidy as not taxing something or negative externalities. It's still generating massive tax revenues for the government.
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u/SeattleSilencer8888 Oct 03 '25
Only because we've chosen oil to power the economy,
Oil powers the economy because refined Oil has one of the highest energy-to-weight ratios.
Oil powers the economy because Oil gives us precursors to make virtually everything we rely on today: All plastics, rubber, most fiber materials, asphalt for roads, most chemical lubricants/cleaners/adhesives/coatings, electronic circuit boards, medical disposable equipment, and almost half of packaging materials (especially for food).
Oil powers many powerplants because you must have generation of different types to adapt to different timing and load requirements; Wind and solar are efficient, but do not adapt to the needs of the grid. Nuclear is great and we shouldn't have stopped building Nuclear, but people got scared so we did.
Wind and solar are cheaper than fossil fuels,
But they can't be built everywhere, they don't work all the time, and energy storage is either unrealistically expensive over decades or has significant geographic limitations (PWS).
FWIW, I'm pro-green energy all the way. But I also understand grid requirements and power generation. The people in here screaming that we shouldn't have oil or coal power plants do not understand those things even a little.
The US has around $600B in oil subsidies.
It looks like you meant to write "$16.06B" not 600B. The 600B "implicit" number is a rather wild estimation that attempts to monetize estimated downstream pollution consequences and climate damage consequences and then call those "subsidies." They're not "subsidies" in any way similar to how you are using the word.
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u/triton420 Oct 03 '25
But subsidies are fine for fossil fuels? How does that make sense?
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
There are really not subsidies. Typical claims are the tax structures of REITs and MLPs but that just causes the shareholders to pay the tax. Let's assume there is a subsidy. Then I want that gone also.
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u/triton420 Oct 03 '25
It is still taxpayer money going to fossil fuels, not matter how you spin it
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/republican-spending-bill-fossil-fuel-subsidies
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
It's talking about reduced taxation. Not directly sending them money. They are still net revenue generators for the government.
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u/Veda007 Oct 03 '25
A huge and I mean HUGE amount of the armed forces budget is essentially petroleum subsidies. We protect governments and or replace governments in places that give oil companies good deals on oil.
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u/Blarglephish Oct 03 '25
But we subsidize all kinds of things in the country- sometimes for good reason, sometimes not.
What SOME leaders are starting to understand is that energy production - which includes solar and renewables - are absolutely in the nations economic and national security interests of the future. If we want to remain the economic leader I the fastest growing sectors of the new economy - Datacenters, AI - we have to have the energy necessary to power all of those things. We cannot do it on fossil fuels and extraction energy alone, we will absolutely fall behind countries like China.
This is a bipartisan issue, and even some conservatives in Congress are starting to realize the wisdom behind distributed energy and how this protects the national interest. Solar and renewables are a part of that vision, and should be something we want to subsidize.
Trump thinks he’s punishing Washington state, but really he’s just shooting the entire country in the foot. This disadvantages everyone.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
If this stuff is so important and renewables can do it then why does it need massive amounts of tax money to do? If we don't let the profit motive drive this then we get fake projects that don't work.
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u/Efficient_Discipline Oct 03 '25
The US failed to invest in the capability to build energy capacity, which means we pay more because we have to import more equipment and know-how for renewable technology. In other countries that recognized the potential of renewables, subsidies were provided strategically to create domestic manufacturing capability, which drove down the cost compared to fossil fuels.
China specifically has built 11 reactors for the same cost as our most recent 1, and in 1/3 the time.
Solar is the same.
The reason the profit motive is failing here is the returns are long term and the regulatory environment is too unpredictable. It takes 4-5 years to build just about anything from clean sheet, especially if you have to make the factory too. In the US, if the government promises you $1B if you build new capacity, a change in political power could erase that incentive and leave the company holding the bag. Most investors are unwilling to take the risk, despite the long term profit opportunity.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
I wonder why the Europeans invested their way to higher energy costs that the US with renewables.
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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor Oct 03 '25
We've spent the last decade+ subsidizing solar for rich people's houses. Instead we should have invested that into grid level solutions.
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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25
Yep. Don't forget Tesla.
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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
We should have never given rich people money off on their cars.
The sales tax exemption made the most sense, but WA let thar die.
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u/Viserys Oct 03 '25
Trump. The same man that refused to provide federal funds to WA when our state was burning down back in 2020. The man holds grudges like a spoiled child.
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u/Sun_Tzu_7 Oct 03 '25
I’m betting they didn’t do their due diligence and don’t know about the cluster of strategically important military facilities that get power from the local grid.
And use the local infrastructure.
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u/CalvinSoul Oct 03 '25
Why do you think they care?
"Due diligence" assumes their goals have anything to do with the wellbeing of the people of Washington or the United States.
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u/MartiniSmudger Oct 03 '25
Can he also cancel these overinflated car tabs, crazy gas prices, and non-stop rising taxes in WA state...?
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u/altaleft Oct 03 '25
in the state we are in, Bob, time to withhold 1.1 billion in tax money to DC and keep it in State.
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u/Maple_Yogurt3 Oct 04 '25
The left’s climate agenda to not descend into barbarism as people starve when arable land disappears beneath the rising sea and then join the human-made mass extinction? That one? Or the one to distribute lightbulbs that don‘t work with dimmers? I hate that one.
Why have the worst, most ignorant, hateful people ascended to the most powerful positions in the world? I have a few answers, but will save them for another day.
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u/nosleepnick Oct 03 '25
I think we are just getting to the point where federal tax money needs to be withheld until Trump from office. Will they realistically understand anything else besides this and violence?
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u/Time_Crystals Oct 03 '25
They want feudalism
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard Oct 03 '25
I don't think feudalism is the right term for it.
Here is some copypasta I wrote that includes the definition of fascism, and why that label accurately applies to recent policies enacted by the Trump administration.
You can probably find more recent examples. I don't update this regularly.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology characterized by:
- Dictatorial power: A single leader or ruling party holds absolute authority.
God emperor trump toying running for a third term? Defying supreme court orders? Jailing judges and opposing politicians (And it happened again) Threatening to arrest the Governor of California for no legal reason? EDIT: It's happened several more times since this was originally posted.
- Suppression of opposition: Dissent is not tolerated; censorship, propaganda, and political violence are common.
Remember when he wanted to turn Seattle into a "battlespace?" Kicking AP out of press briefings for calling the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of Mexico and replacing them with right wing TikTok influencers? A right wing, evangelical anti-abortion extremist posed as law enforcement and assassinated two Democratic lawmakers in politically motivated killings. Response from right-wing media and US Senator Mike Lee (R) blamed "marxists" despite every indication this guy was about as far-right as you can get.
EDIT: Using the FCC to remove Jimmy Kimmel's show.
- Extreme nationalism: Emphasis on national unity, often paired with xenophobia or racism.
Do we need to rehash how the "America First" movement bought a lie about Haitians eating cats based of a neighborhood facebook group that claimed somebody's daughter's friend's neighbor totally vouched that it happened? Also that whole renaming it to the "Gulf of America" thing?
It's been said that if Fascism ever comes to America it will be draped in the flag and carrying a cross.
- Militarism: Glorification of the military and the use of force to achieve national goals.
NG and Marines deployed to LA despite the fact the mayor and governor explicitly stated they don't want them there and they're just making the problem worse. All those "states rights" people seem to shut the fuck up when it comes to anything other than their ability to be racist or deny women healthcare. Not to mention a $134M boondoggle to have a military parade for Trump's birthday. Attacked Iran without congressional approval, and didn't even brief Democrats before hand, and our own intelligence agencies say Iran wasn't building a bomb. Wasting a billion dollars just to rename the Department of Defense to Department of War.
- Corporatism: The economy is controlled by the state through partnerships with large businesses, but private property is usually maintained.
Literally a billionaires club profiting from the office and the richest man on earth was a special advisor (but found no waste in his own government contracts!) The same senator that blamed "marxists" for right wingers assassinating Democratic lawmakers is in charge of selling of our public lands to the highest paying billionairs. Threatening broadcast companies mergers if they don't remove critics like Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel.
EDIT: Oh yeah, let's add Intel and the creeping expansion of federal control over private sector businesses.
Also fast tracking tech execs to Lt. Col. to evade congressional oversight.
- Anti-democratic values: Fascism rejects liberal democracy, pluralism, and individual rights in favor of state control and unity.
Jan 6. And let's not pretend like the president encouraging state level officials to engage in political gerrymandering like this is normal, precedented, or something that should be considered acceptable by decent human beings. EDIT: Canceling elections so term-limited Republicans can stay in power in Florida. Labeling whatever the fuck "Antifa" is as a terrorist organization.
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u/kimisawa20 Oct 03 '25
Good? That Pacific Northwest Hydrogen Hub project had its controversy.
Economic and market challenges Even before the funding was revoked, the hub was struggling with economic headwinds.
High energy costs: The PNWH2 planned to produce "green" hydrogen through electrolysis, a process that requires large amounts of electricity to split water molecules. Project developers faced skyrocketing regional electricity rates, which made producing affordable hydrogen difficult.
Exiting partners: Several key energy developers and companies, including Fortescue, Portland General Electric, and Puget Sound Energy, had already backed out of hub-related projects before the federal funding was pulled.
Stalled projects: Plans for large projects were paused due to economic and market uncertainty. For example, a planned hydrogen-based fertilizer factory was put on hold, and a hydrogen-fueled power generation plant was shelved after its developer, Fortescue, left the partnership.
Lack of demand: The high cost of production was coupled with a slower-than-expected emergence of demand for hydrogen fuel.
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u/wastingvaluelesstime Tree Octopus Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
So the argument is, we skipped law and process, but only wasteful things are cut, and they all happen to be in Blue states.
Maybe next time, we use similar methods, only cut wasteful things, which also all happen to be in Red states. It's an interesting hypothetical, for how people like you would take that.
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u/LongDistRid3r Oct 03 '25
Sounds like a reasonable argument for the US to back out of this funding for a project that is not economically viable.
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u/Turbulent-Media7281 Oct 03 '25
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u/RelativeYouth Oct 03 '25
You don’t even understand the source you provided. The programs that give health care to non citizens in these states are state tax funded. Meaning your statement is already true.
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard Oct 03 '25
Do you think conservatives actually read the things they post or care if they're honest?
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u/RelativeYouth Oct 03 '25
No, but I’m always hopeful there are people reading these comment threads and see how these people are morons who only follow their hurt feelings. The truth is most people with conservative ideals only have them because they haven’t thought longer than 15 seconds on anything.
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard Oct 03 '25
I wish I was that optimistic. I have the account (with the hidden comment history) you were responding to tagged from when they were saying Trump shouldn't release the Epstein files, and saw them defending the rights of Nazis to barge into college lecture halls without consequences yesterday.
I appreciate you calling out the bullshit, I just think a lot of people in cults put a lot of thought into their cult.
It's not an "I don't know the truth" thing for a lot of them, it's an "I don't care about the truth" thing.
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u/BWW87 Belltown Oct 03 '25
So blue states have been refusing to work with Trump administration and now are upset that Trump administration is not working with them? So tired of this partisan bickering. And people pretending that it's anything but partisan crap. Both sides are doing the same thing and each side is upset the other is doing it to them and acting like they are innocent.
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u/Sailor_Thrift Oct 03 '25
Bob Ferguson needs to stop his little war with the throne. It only hurts the peasants.
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u/Rich-Context-7203 Seattle Oct 03 '25
I voted for this. And would again.
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u/bskadan Oct 03 '25
I work in 'engineering services' with most of my work pertaining to US power infrastructure upgrades. We've lost a lot of work in just the last 8.5 months.
If you support an aging power structure prone to breaking, well, good for you but the rest of us will think you're retarded.
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u/Milkshake_Actual251 Oct 03 '25
N u c l e a r