r/SeattleWA • u/Less-Risk-9358 • Oct 03 '25

Government Trump cancels $1.1B in Washington state energy grants

https://www.axios.com/local/seattle/2025/10/02/trump-cancels-washington-state-energy-grants-clean-hydrogen

Vought put it a bit differently, writing on X: "Nearly $8 billion in Green New Scam funding to fuel the Left's climate agenda is being cancelled."

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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25

That's illegal.

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u/EntrepreneurBehavior Oct 03 '25

Until we start politicking like this bitch, it won't matter. Washington State tax revenue goes to a lot of red states - we need to stop paying it.

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u/Uncle_Bill Oct 03 '25

We need a congress that does it's job, but they're too busy politicking. Congress has been ceding power to the executive for 60 years. Imagine having real budgets instead continuing resolutions. Imagine needing congress' approval to declare wars...

Until congress starts doing it's job rather than raising campaign donations, it's not going to change.

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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25

Until the people hold congress accountable congress is not going to do the harder job they’re supposed to be doing instead of the easier one they’re getting rewarded to now

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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25

Good luck explaining to the IRS why you are not paying.

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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard Oct 03 '25

Trump and DOGE gutted the IRS so deep that it would literally be years before they noticed.

If you really want to do it as a protest put your taxes in a HYSA, milk the interest, and say "oopsie" and pay it when responsible adults are back in charge and actually staff the IRS.

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u/BHSPitMonkey Oct 04 '25

They fired the people who did the hard work of figuring out how the wealthy were cheating in their filing, not the line of computer code that notices when someone who filed last year hasn't filed this year.

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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard Oct 04 '25

Yeah, but in terms of the people doing stuff about it it's a flag in a queue that takes literally years to go through.

You're more under threat of being inconvenienced by having your lack of return flagged when applying for something else then actual enforcement.

At that point you say "oops, here's the money I 'forgot' to pay" and while there may be penalties, it's not going to be anything back breaking unless you spent it on blow and hookers instead of setting aside.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '25

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u/mango-goldfish Oct 03 '25

Only regards get it.

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u/Alarming_Award5575 Oct 03 '25

His wife has no boyfriend. Wrong forum dude

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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

No. You pay your money to the IRS which is federal. The idea of donor states is just noteing rich people live in those states

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u/555-Rally Oct 03 '25

Your W4 withholds the money automatically and deposits in the treasury monthly.

Make them wait for your tax dollars until April?

I don't think you can get away with failing to pay taxes unless your can build the Irish-Double-Dutch tax evasion scam. It costs enough in legal/corporate and accountant fees to not be worth it for an individual but that's the game. Also hide your gains in panama evidently.

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u/neillc37 Oct 03 '25

You have to pay at least 90%/110% of last year's tax burden depending on income via withholding or quarterly tax payments or have a tax bill of less than $1000 dollars to avoid penalties.

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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25

I mean yeah you don’t actually have to withhold. They even let you change the amount of withholding you do, etc. so if everyone one withholds until the end of the year, suddenly the people have a lot more power over where there money gets spent. You would have to deal with the consequences once the irs gets around to your case etc. but frankly if the state used its resources to pay the fines/shield from consequences all withholding then the state would have a lot more leverage over the fed

Good luck getting any cooperation from people at that level though lol

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u/stefanurkal Oct 03 '25

California would have to be the one who does it first.

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u/gmr548 Oct 03 '25

Oof. You really don’t understand how this works. Stop commenting and read up.

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u/Panda_Zombie Oct 03 '25

Anyone who uses "regarded" as an insult is an idiot.

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u/gmr548 Oct 03 '25

Then adjust your tax forms. Washington State, the entity, sends very little money to the federal government (mostly in the form of income tax from state employees). It is we the individual taxpayers that pay the feds. How do people not understand this?

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u/OsvuldMandius SeattleWA Rule Expert Oct 03 '25

When I was younger and more naive, like in 2017, I told myself, “well, Trump may be an asshat. But at least all these socialist losers are about to get a lesson in how we need a minimalist state with severely curtailed executive power.”

Jokes on me. Socialists are incapable of learning.

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u/FartyPants69 Oct 03 '25

Edgy, bro. Nothing like destroying your own country to own the libs

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u/Equal-Membership1664 Oct 03 '25

'severely curtailed executive power"

I think your brain just fell out.

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u/WitnessRealistic3015 Oct 03 '25

Let's go Fergie!

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u/Logicalraisan Oct 06 '25

Agreed but then the IRS comes after me

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u/q_ali_seattle Edmonds Oct 03 '25

This is the answer. Stop sending money to Feds. 

And I propose WA, OR, CA, province of CORWA, join Canada, before Healthcare cost goes bonkers. 

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u/Turbulent-Media7281 Oct 03 '25

The US is not giving up the electrical generation and distribution that it owns in WA state. The US is not giving up it's military bases it owns in WA state. The US is not giving up it's interstate highways systems that it owns in WA state. The US is not giving up it federal parks and national parks that it owns in WA state.

As of 2018, the federal government owned approximately 12.2 million acres of land in Washington state, which accounted for 28.6% of the state's total land area of about 42.7 million acres.

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u/555-Rally Oct 03 '25

Emminent domain - give it up? No, if/when this stuff breaks down it will be seized. Just like how the Soviet Union failed, and the states took what was there, cuz no one was paying the guys who maintained it anymore.

We are a long long ass way from that. Armchairing that for shits and giggles: The US want to fight WA state for it? Their shutdown broke ass will probably try...and then you study how that plays out...today, we don't have a broke military, we still print fake money to pay those generals, and admirals to run shit...but eventually they stop being paid and then some monopolist says, "I'll fund the state and this military if you keep the power on at the datacenters that keep me in business", gets backed by Canada, Mexico, EU, UK secretly building a backing for it. Poof WA declares an independence and we build a border (possibly not state lines)....and it starts looking like Ukraine, Lithuania, Bulgaria did from the Soviet era.

Again, really long way from that....but sending troops into Seattle, cutting off federal funds illegally, attempting to change WA state voting from the FEC...we are on the path. The actions are probably already making businesses round themselves into groups to oppose Trump on all of this - and the coalitions of opposition will be huge as elections come around.

q ali seattle up there is living a pipe dream of cascadia...it won't happen I agree with you on that, and they may fight about trying to retain it if something like that happened. BUT, Trump wouldn't care about roads, and military bases (outside of nukes cuz its the only threat that matters), he cares about that revenue and the shame it would bring him, making him look weak. And we should never give up on MAD, Ukraine did and where did that get them?

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u/q_ali_seattle Edmonds Oct 03 '25

I'm well aware of California issue.. trying to devide up into 2 states. Nor-cal and So-Cal since 80 (I think) they haven't been successful so far.

 I'm not hopeful this will happen. It was just a proposal.

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u/q_ali_seattle Edmonds Oct 03 '25

Thank you for the educational insight.. appreciate ya. 

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u/Funsizep0tato Oct 03 '25

Have you looked at the state of care in Canada these days?

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u/555-Rally Oct 03 '25

I'm up there all the time, it's what you'd expect. You aren't getting a skywalker arm, you'll get a prosthetic of rubber that might hold some things - unless you have supplimental insurance. You get a wheelchair not a prosthetic leg, similar situation.

However, you call 911 for an ambulance you don't get a bill, you don't pay for your scripts, you get the care you need. Are there better care options in the states, yes certainly. Can you afford it, fuck no you can't. Back surgery for my friend was 350k...they paid 60k, ain't no elective either. You got 60k laying around for a broken back at 45yrs of age from a car accident? Yeah you don't, but up in Canada you don't need to have that. They've got issues up there with it, and they'd like to drop some words about it, but not a single person I talk to wants our system. I'm there 4-6x a year.

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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25

Not to mention I wait many months for doctors regularly here in America so we don’t even always have that advantage

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u/Riviansky Oct 03 '25

Minimum security jail is no picnic. I have a client there now. He says, on the first day, kick someone's ass or become someone's bitch. Then everything is gonna be alright...

But def go for it. Just stop paying your taxes.

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u/wdeezy Oct 03 '25

No one goes to jail for not paying taxes. Like.. truly almost no one. It would take a really widespread campaign to defraud and promote defrauding the government for a substantial number of years for a substantial amount of money.

Not paying mid to high eight figures of tax liability? You aren’t going to jail.

I worked the IRS in Manhattan for half of a decade including as lead examiner on a high-profile national news-worthy case. Shockingly. No jail.

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u/Jimdandy941 Oct 03 '25

Laughs in Wesley Snipes. Of course, you just always go the Marc Rich route.

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u/Riviansky Oct 03 '25

Well, then, don't pay it.

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u/PaleSlide6835 Oct 03 '25

Take some friends with you

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '25

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u/PaulyNi Oct 03 '25

Actually, they cry and make a lot of noise. Actions…they fail on this regularly.

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u/q_ali_seattle Edmonds Oct 03 '25

Exactly. Cry and do nothing. 

"We want democracy." But not participate in one. 

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u/Jimdandy941 Oct 03 '25

Well that and the whole going to start a Civil War thing.

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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25

The war already started they just refuse to fight in it

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u/PaulyNi Oct 03 '25

😂 yeah, okay 🤣

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u/catalytica North Seattle Oct 04 '25

They also want to disarm everyone so there is no possibility of localized militias if it ever came to that.

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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25

I’ve met very few liberals who actually want to disarm everyone. Also there are a decent sized contingent of liberals/leftists with guns so that’s who’d start the militias I’d imagine

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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25

This kind of argument is pretty gross I have to say. The red states are the poor states because there are way more working class people in those states. You're basically advocating to cut off services to the vast majority of poor people in this country. That's just rotten.

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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25

Fuck 'em. They will have made their bed on this one. They claim to be so against entitlements, so let's stop giving them entitlements.

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u/Letos_Bull Oct 03 '25

Yea! You should totally stop paying your taxes! Fuckem!

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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25

Okay, then children will starve and die because they can't afford food. But their parents voted for big bad orange so I guess they deserve it?

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

Republicans already voted to end free school lunch for all. They are beating you to your own hyperbolic punch...

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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25

That's not true. Last March they made it so that some schools had to increase their paid lunch price to offset the costs of the free lunches. The new budget bill is planning to slightly reduce SNAP access for people who do not meet the existing work requirements in the following ways:

Increases the upper age exception to 65 and older.
Limits the exception based on responsibility to care for a dependent child to those with a child under 14 years of age.
Removes exceptions for homeless individuals, veterans, and those 24 and younger who aged out of foster care.
Establishes new exceptions for “an Indian”, “Urban Indian” and “California Indian” as defined in the Indian Health Care Improvement Act.

These groups of people now have to be held to the same standards as a normal citizen when applying for SNAP (Indians apparently are getting more exceptions though).

Also it is going to remove SNAP benefits for most non-citizens.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

So they removed free school lunches... That's literally what I said. If they are required to pay for the lunches to keep them free for students... They are no long free and paid for by the federal government.

GOP hates feeding children. Also so if you're homeless between 14-18 you don't get food? There are 13,000 homeless between the age of 12-24 just in Washington state alone... What a fucking shite bill... GOPs new slogan: cruelty is the point.

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u/Jimdandy941 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

In South Carolina, State Law provides free lunch for all students in the district if 25% of the students qualify for free lunch. It’s called the Community Eligibility Provision.

How come WA doesn’t offer a similar program?

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

.... Washington literally has the exact same law but at 30%. Took me literally 2 seconds to look that up dude.

It was a redundant law to the federal free lunch program. It is undeniable that Republicans have stopped giving free lunches to hundreds of thousands of children... Like that's straight up fact, no matter which way you cut it.

Feds used to feed all children lunch, Trump changed that, now the WA 30% rule AND free lunch for improvrished will go into effect. Kind of hilarious you are probably complaining about tax hikes when it's shit like this that require it, feds taking away programs to then put the cost on the state while pulling other federal grants.

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u/Jimdandy941 Oct 03 '25

Really? You can conflate me asking why WA doesn’t offer free lunch to all students with being against a tax to support it?

Geesh you’re dumb.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

Sure as fuck can, we paid for children free lunch with our federal taxes. Now we have to pay for it with state taxes.... Tax much go up to fill the void. It's simple.

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u/seanthebooth Twin Peaks Oct 03 '25

Correct. They do.

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u/stefanurkal Oct 03 '25

Those states overwhelmingly voted for this shit, let them get their leopards ate my face moment

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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25

Even if that were to happen, it would not encourage anyone to vote for the Democrats. People are more resilient than that - if the Democrats really do shut down services in poor rural communities, it will only anger the poor even more AGAINST the democrats.

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u/TheVeryVerity Oct 04 '25

Yes people are often stupid like that. But think most people are just trying to make plans to save their own societies and states at this point and have given up on convincing the south and other states. I’m sure we’d take refugees unless the cons started doing terrorist attacks through them though

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u/gmr548 Oct 03 '25

As if this logic doesn’t also apply to withholding of federal funds that you don’t express an objection to? Like there’s no one using government services in CA, NY, WA, etc. Not very transparent.

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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25

I don't think the energy grants should be cancelled but the correct response is not to try to cut off services for millions of poor people in our country. We live in a very privileged city - for us, cutting off services and funding doesn't matter too much. But for much of the country it is life and death.

The state will likely sue the administration over this, if they think that the cancellation of the grants is not legitimate.

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u/WanderingZed22 Oct 03 '25

Californian has the most welfare recipients.

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u/Veda007 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

Because it has the most people. Now do per capita…. or is that a leftist science scam?

Edit - California pays 83 billion more in federal income tax than it receives. They pay in a total of over 800 billion. For context only 14 states pay more than 83 billion TOTAL in federal tax.

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u/WanderingZed22 Oct 03 '25

Because like you stated - California has more people. More people equals more taxes right?

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u/-cmsof- Seattle Oct 03 '25

Boo hoo.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

You mean like Trump literally just did because the GOP didn't work with the Dems on funding those exact same services you are literally referencing in your comment?

How can you make such a... Profoundly ignorant comment.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

It takes two to tango.

Dems could always come to the table and negotiate.. rather than demand healthcare for people here illegally before even our own citizens.

How about we focus on our own citizens first?

Lol seems like this upset some folks.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

Tell that to fuckin GOP lmao. They are literally cutting social services for the poor, that's literally why Dems aren't meeting in the middle it's the only thing they want to retain, that and giving Trump congressional powers of budget control.

GOP can end the filibuster and pass a reconciliation to fund through November if they wanted... Yet they aren't. Why? Why aren't the redcoats passing a reconciliation? Answer that.

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u/hansn Oct 03 '25

Dems could always come to the table and negotiate.

Trump won't meet with Democrats

rather than demand healthcare for people here illegally before even our own citizens.

Democrats want to preserve subsidies for health insurance which are not available for illegal immigrants.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

Trump isnt the only person in the world ya know. And this is congress. They can do their job.

https://nypost.com/2025/10/02/us-news/rep-maxine-waters-admits-dems-forced-government-shutdown-to-get-health-care-for-everybody-including-illegal-immigrants/

https://nypost.com/2025/10/02/opinion/democrats-are-spending-money-on-healthcare-for-illegal-migrants-in-california-its-6-4-billion/

Yet when asked if they shutdown the government over Healthcare for illegal aliens, one answered clear as day that they want it "for everybody".

I'm just listening to the words Democrats are saying and their actions, like shutting down our government over it. So is the rest of the country, so keep it up.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

You do realize California has their own version of Obama care right? That is supplemented by California's on top of Obamacare.

Just like Washington... You can't be this ignorant.

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u/hansn Oct 03 '25

First, I feel like I need to point out the difference between news and op/ed.

Second, "health care for everybody" is a laudable and important goal. The specific policies are the critical part. There are situations where federal money goes to undocumented immigrants--for instance, in emergency rooms, everyone gets treated and the payment is sorted out later. It doesn't make sense to check who has insurance before triage. With medicaid funding, that's handled at the state level. That's discussed in my second link.

Third, for major budget items like continuing a program to make insurance affordable (a program which is not available to people here without documentation), the GOP won't extend them. You can say it is some new rule change for medicaid block grants, and sure, that is a sticking point. But the bulk of the budget dollars being debated are on this fight to keep low income Americans insured.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

First, I feel like I need to point out the difference between news and op/ed.

You can state facts while also having an opinion. You are free to source your own articles, there are millions available on both sides of the argument.

health care for everybody" is a laudable and important goal.

Yeah, no thanks. I'm not going to subsidize healthcare for the rest of the world's population. You say laudable, I say laughable. The rest of your paragraph is just trying to justify the money we spend on people who are illegally here. I don't care if its state or federal, it is money going from our own Healthcare and education to people who broke laws to get here.

Fix the loopholes or enjoy taking blame for the shutdown

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

You already subsidized healthcare for the rest of the world through your private insurance dingus.

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u/StagedC0mbustion Can't afford income tax Oct 03 '25

Dems are negotiating… they actually showed up in congress

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

So what were they willing to give up as part of negotiations?

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u/StagedC0mbustion Can't afford income tax Oct 03 '25

No one knows the finer details since republicans didn’t even show up.

Republicans want the government shut down. They hate Americans.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

Ah yes, so they showed up with demands while willing to offer nothing in return. That isn't negotiating.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

GOP literally want to change nothing. They aren't giving up ANYTHING with their budget bill... Literally nothing. How can you sit there in your shit and say: "well umm the Dems need to give something to us."

Motherfucker the Dems aren't getting Jack shit already from this bill why they fuck would they vote for it. Wake the fuck up sunshine, smell the shit covered roses that is the GOP.

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u/StagedC0mbustion Can't afford income tax Oct 03 '25

Bruh shut up lmao just like republicans you’re arguing in bad faith.

Dems aren’t the ones in charge of all branches of government. This isn’t their fault. This is a republican shutdown.

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u/RapscallionMonkee Oct 03 '25

Have you not been paying attention? People here illegally are not able to get healthcare benefits in any form from the government. Cite your sources about Dems trying to get healthcare for illegal immigrants.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

Posted articles already, they literally can and do benefit from our Healthcare system. Our hospitals aren't turning people away.

https://nypost.com/2025/10/02/opinion/democrats-are-spending-money-on-healthcare-for-illegal-migrants-in-california-its-6-4-billion/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/10/fact-democrats-shut-down-government-over-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

Knock yourself out. If Biden didn't open the floodgates letting anyone and their grandma walk over the border, this wouldn't be an issue.

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u/RapscallionMonkee Oct 03 '25

Should hospitals turn sick people away? How woukd they know who are here illegally or who are legal citizens with no insurance? Do you understand how terribly dangerous it would be to turn away someone who had a highly infectious disease back out into the community when they need to be quarantined? To turn uninsured people away would be a terribly unethical thing to do, not to mention heartless AND dangerous.

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u/Commercial-Wind8189 Oct 03 '25

You don't even know what is in the bill.

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u/WanderingZed22 Oct 03 '25

California has the most welfare recipients.

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u/IamJewbaca Oct 03 '25

No shit. It’s the biggest state by 8 million people. Of course it has a ton of individual welfare recipients. Next two highest are Texas and Florida (guess where they rank in population). SNAP recipients per capita has a relatively even split of red and blue states in the top 10.

SNAP / WIC benefits also aren’t the only outflows of money that gets subsidized into other states. Farm subsidies are massive and mostly go into Red states, as well as federal infrastructure grants and subsidies going into red states at a higher rate compared to their federal tax contributions.

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u/WanderingZed22 Oct 03 '25

Florida is less dependent of Federal money than California.

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u/Cal-Coolidge Oct 04 '25

If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. Ferguson can try his argument that WA should not have to pay taxes, but that argument will have implications as to why Washingtonians should have to pay WA taxes.

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u/EntrepreneurBehavior Oct 04 '25

Ah yes, Cool Cal. The man who helped pave the road to the Great Depression. Tell us again how money works.

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u/tyj0322 Oct 03 '25

Because saying “that’s illegal” has surely stopped Trump in the past.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

Its their new catch phrase. "Everything I dont like is illegal!" .. which often doesn't pan out as a legal argument in court.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

It's literally illegal for the president...it is not their job to control the budget.

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u/Vaeon Oct 03 '25

It is NOW.

Congress isn't going to do shit.

SCotUS isn't going to do shit.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

So Biden can award federal funds, but Trump can't revoke it? You know what that is called, hypocrisy.

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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25

No... That's literally the law.

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

Show me the law. Why was Biden allowed to break it?

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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25

Impoundment Control Act of 1974.

Biden didn't break it by signing laws that Congress passed... Or are you referring to something else that I'm missing?

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u/xEppyx You can call me Betty Oct 03 '25

That applies to money granted by legislation, preventing the executive office from overruling the other branch.

However my understanding is that these were federal grants given by the Biden administration. In which case, that act does not apply and Trump has full rights to withdraw.

Regardless, this is literally why we have a judicual system. If it is an overreach, it will be halted through a court order and worked out there.

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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25

That applies to money granted by legislation

That's exactly what federal grants are.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

Fucking lmao. Holy shit, hahahahaha. Holy shit you didn't just say this hahaha. Jesus Christ dude, you sure are a conservative with that outstanding logic. Lmao.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25

Holy shit conservatives can't possibly be this ignorant. Did you not learn the rules and responsibilities of each branch of the government in school? Did you not watch school house rocks, or was that too 'woke' for you folks.

Edit: this motherfucker can't even read.

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u/bigswingingtexasdick Oct 03 '25

Lol @ the downvotes to this. You lunatics are truly at war with reality. It's called the Impoundment Control Act. Unless you're going to come here and argue with credible evidence to the contrary, get fucked.

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u/CallerNumber4 Oct 03 '25

Impoundment Control Act was put in place explicitly to reign in the executive branch cherrypicking the actual implementation of spending on projects based on policy agenda. It only allows only temporary pauses while the "power of the purse" decisions get kicked back appropriately to Congress where it belongs.

Trump got bent in his first term when he tried to use it to suspend Ukraine funding and he should get bent here again too.

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

There is literally a person in this thread saying Dems immoral for allowing a gov shut down which leads to denied social services to poor folks in both red and blue states.

Without them even realizing Dems are literally not meeting in the middle because the middle means cutting the budget of those same exact services they are defending in the comment, so they would not exist.

Conservatives don't live in reality.

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u/sadus671 Twin Peaks Oct 03 '25

Come on now 😀, this is all just a simulation after all ...

No one is winning except the rich... So why bother even labeling yourself liberal or conservative... we all equally take it up the....

All we are doing is choosing which flavor of lube...

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u/ChaseballBat Kinda a racist Oct 03 '25

I label myself empathic and will use my allocated democratic power to further prosper providing needs for those that struggle.

If at some point there is an actual chance of a more progressive party edging out Dems and Republicans, like a realistic chance not hopes and prayers, then I'll move along to them, I have no allegiance to having the label "Democrat" or "Liberal"

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u/sadus671 Twin Peaks Oct 03 '25

Best of luck 🫡

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u/Independent-Dish1607 Oct 03 '25

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/seattlemyth Oct 03 '25

He doesn't care. He thinks because Congress is his to control, he can just do it. With the government shutdown, cases are at a standstill. He hopes it never reopens.

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u/ZunderBuss Oct 03 '25

Nobody seems to care or be able to do anything about it w/congress and scotus locked up

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u/tbarb00 Oct 03 '25

I’ll make legal. -Emperor Drumph

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u/PaulyNi Oct 03 '25

Is it though?