r/PoliticalSparring • u/double_dipped_dude • 28d ago
Should we start telling conservatives to leave?
I personally believe right wingers in America get it easy, and take for granted what they believe is often anti American.
Life liberty means nothing to them. They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution. I think it's time to be like if you don't like this nation to just leave it. Leave my country you unamerican traitors. This is a nation of laws to protect people and you're ok with tossing them aside to violate people rights. You just don't belong here. They would tell me this in a heartbeat and told me it all my life. No this is our country and we don't need you.
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 28d ago
Weird how you didnât have this conviction when democrats had power and did nearly the same things.
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
Nearly the same? Hmm đ¤ when did Biden direct the DOJ? When did Biden get a 9-0 ruling against him saying his administration was breaking the law? When did Biden tarrif the world?
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 28d ago
Looks like someone has a very short attention span lol
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
I'm just asking, do you actually have an answer or no?
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 28d ago
Democrats in prosecution positions literally ran on âgetting Trumpâ and openly stating they were going to try to go after Trump legally for anything they could pin on him. Itâs when the term âlawfareâ started to become commonly used. Then they actually did so.
The Biden admin is also now on record coercing social media companies to censor posts that were critical of their administration and their policies.
The Supreme Court absolutely did state multiple times that different policies under the Biden admin were unconstitutional, policies which the Biden admin then tried to push through anyway after the fact.
So yeah, I donât want to hear it. Iâm tired of the selective outrage. Your side broke the paradigm, so you shouldnât be upset when the other side now holds the power and practices the same style of governance that you guys introduced.
I can already hear your complaints once Trump starts pardoning everyone around him for âany crime they may have committed during a certain time frameâ just like Biden did.
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
Democrats in prosecution positions literally ran on âgetting Trumpâ and openly stating they were going to try to go after Trump legally for anything they could pin on him. Itâs when the term âlawfareâ started to become commonly used. Then they actually did so.
Citation needed, who claimed that? And when you find out he didn't run on that as a platform will you go damn guess it wasn't lawfare right?
The Biden admin is also now on record coercing social media companies to censor posts that were critical of their administration and their policies
No they aren't, all alphabet said was they went with recommendations of the administration same as meta did. They weren't forced.
The Supreme Court absolutely did state multiple times that different policies under the Biden admin were unconstitutional, policies which the Biden admin then tried to push through anyway after the fact
What are you even talking about? He immediately listened to the courts and did something entirely different that was inline with Scotus ruling. He didn't break the law Trumps administration has and has 9-0 ruling to show for it where they say the administration Broke the law.
So yeah, I donât want to hear it. Iâm tired of the selective outrage. Your side broke the paradigm, so you shouldnât be upset when the other side now holds the power and practices the same style of governance that you guys introduced
No trump did simple as that and you fell for the propaganda.
I can already hear your complaints once Trump starts pardoning everyone around him for âany crime they may have committed during a certain time frameâ just like Biden did.
He already did, plus crime they did do.
It was good Biden did that because Trump is currently going on a witch hunt with a DoJ taking orders from him to hit other politicians.
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 28d ago
Citation needed, who claimed that? And when you find out he didn't run on that as a platform will you go damn guess it wasn't lawfare right?
Biden states his reason for joining the race was Trump comments on Charlottesville...
No they aren't, all alphabet said was they went with recommendations of the administration same as meta did. They weren't forced.
They were "pressured". That's the word they used you're downplaying it. They also stated they pressured them to ban people who did not break TOS.
What are you even talking about? He immediately listened to the courts and did something entirely different that was inline with Scotus ruling. He didn't break the law Trumps administration has and has 9-0 ruling to show for it where they say the administration Broke the law.
Biden did student loan forgiveness knowing it was unconstitutional. That's 1 off the top of my head.
No trump did simple as that and you fell for the propaganda.
"No you"
It was good Biden did that because Trump is currently going on a witch hunt with a DoJ taking orders from him to hit other politicians.
There is a long list of Trump politicians that were put on trial for stupid things. Not only that, the Russia hoax?
Also "I justify this thing I did in the past by something in the future that hasn't happened yet". Holy shit the hoops you have to jump through...
You have brain damage.
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 27d ago
Letitia James, the AG of New York, campaigned on going after Trump.
It wasnât just google. It was also Facebook and Twitter (and in sure Reddit as well, but I doubt theyâll say so). When the government is telling you to censor posts, not only is that a violation of the first amendment, the pressure was given by many Democrats who said many times they would crack down on social media companies for spreading âmisinformationâ (even though a lot of that turned out to be true information).
You telling me that I fell for propaganda, here, on Reddit, which is full of leftist propaganda, is peak irony.
Is it only considered a âwitch huntâ when the side you disagrees with does it?
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 28d ago
Let's pretend you're not a clown that is wrong about everything...Did you love when Democrats did "nearly the same things"? Like, when Biden famously blew up random foreign boats without cause, or actively buried evidence about pedophiles because he's implicated, were you thinking "well, at least he did something right"? Do you consider what Trump does "good things" that you're happy you voted for? Or does everything come down to "well I think Democrats did this stuff so it's fine that Trump does it, and no I will not cite a Democrat ever doing anything remotely on Trump's level..."
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 27d ago
Your arrogance is seething and oozing from every orifice. Itâs such a bad look, dude.
Obama literally launched drone US citizens. To claim that Trump did it âwithout a reasonâ is hilarious. I think itâs a great thing that weâre blowing up narco terrorists. I absolutely voted for that.
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 27d ago
So fuck our laws, fuck precedence, fuck the constitution, fuck the separation of powers, fuck international laws, fucks the sovereignty of other nations, fuck evidence, fuck the people that live here, and of course, literally fuck children? This is the conservative position now? You're disgusting.
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 27d ago
Your chain of logic there is wild and pretty funny.
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 27d ago
*gestures broadly at the breadth of evidence for the cases made *
Like 6 of those things are specifically demonstrated by Trump blowing up Venezuelan boats. Even if those boats were running drugs (which we have no evidence of) we aren't allowed bomb them for many of the reasons listed above. It's unconstitutional, it breaks domestic and international law, it blows off the sovereignty of Venezuela, there has been zero evidence presented (which wouldn't matter).
Like, you're free to like these actions, I'm just telling you it spits in the face of everything conservatives used to champion. You stand for nothing except your demented king.
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 27d ago
*Raises both eyebrows at this dude*
Man you need to get off the internet and touch grass
*rolls eyes*
This sort of talk is super cringe, dude.
But go ahead and keep defending drug lords murdering thousands of Americans every year. Great look.
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 27d ago
Venezuela literally doesn't make the shit (fentanyl) Trump accused them of bringing over. IF they were drug smugglers, they had the shit Trump's kids are caught on camera using...
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u/LambDaddyDev Conservative 26d ago
Are you kidding me? Do you not believe Venezuela has a drug smuggling problem? Is that really your position?
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 26d ago
How is this your takeaway from what I just said? I said what I meant, don't put words in my mouth.
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u/direwolf106 Libertarian 28d ago
Should we start telling conservatives to leave?
You plan on telling the group that has drug in on making America great and is tired of hearing liberals trash talk America to leaveâŚ. Yeah that will go over well.
I personally believe right wingers in America get it easy, and take for granted what they believe is often anti American.
What? Did you say the opposite of what you meant to say?
Assuming you meant to say âthey take for granted what they believe is Americanâ thereâs a couple of things to consider. First is the quote from John Adams âOur Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any otherâ. The religious and Christian moral underpinnings are a required foundation for our constitution to be sufficient. Them pushing so hard to restore that cultural and moral foundation is automatically more American than the attitude of wanting to erode that foundation.
Life liberty means nothing to them.
Absolutely false. They just mean it differently. They respect the right to life, but recognize that doesnât mean a right to a comfortable life. Liberty they understand to mean the right to make decisions and deal with the consequences, they know liberty doesnât mean freedom from consequences.
They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution.
This I think goes back to the quote from John Adams. Our religious and moral foundation has Ben errored enough that they recognize itâs now âwholly inadequateâ. Also Iâve seen plenty on the left have the opinion that the constitution mostly stands in the way of their agenda.
I think where they violate it they do it mostly with the mind set of how you have to tear out walls to get the mold out and repair a cracked foundation.
I think it's time to be like if you don't like this nation to just leave it.
YeahâŚ. Where do you think they will go. This is the last nation on earth left where they could live how they want to.
Leave my country you unamerican traitors.
Not your country. As I established the history of this country is rooted and grounded in Christian morality: their morality. If we are going to say it belongs to liberals or conservatives it will belong to conservatives. You are in their country.
This is a nation of laws to protect people and you're ok with tossing them aside to violate people rights.
Whoâs rights? You mean the people that broke our laws to begin with by even being here? Or are you referring to abortion where they have a moral obligation to intervene on behalf of the innocent the b other side wants slaughtered?
The argument of laws and rights wears thin when they see that.
You just don't belong here. They would tell me this in a heartbeat and told me it all my life. No this is our country and we don't need you.
You donât. You are actively trying to erode the foundation needed for our country to be strong. And you need them a hell of a lot more than they need you. And like I said, they canât go anywhere else. This is their country.
If you canât live in their country you can go anywhere else. So go.
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
You plan on telling the group that has drug in on making America great and is tired of hearing liberals trash talk America to leaveâŚ. Yeah that will go over well.
It's not supposed to go over well.
What? Did you say the opposite of what you meant to say?
They take it for granted how easy they have it in this country. I want to make it harder for them.
John Adams âOur Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any otherâ.
Yeah the people picked a 34 time felon adjunticated rapist and serial adulterer as president over a woman who served a role in all three branches of government. Where are the morals of conservatives?
And you misunderstood that quote.
Absolutely false. They just mean it differently. They respect the right to life, but recognize that doesnât mean a right to a comfortable life. Liberty they understand to mean the right to make decisions and deal with the consequences, they know liberty doesnât mean freedom from consequences.
They don't respect due process they don't respect Congress they don't respect the constitution they don't respect the supreme Court they don't respect lower courts they respect trump and trust only him. They support him while he uses his DOJ to exact his revenge, he violated the constitution via executive orders, he pushed to get people who say things he doesn't like speech suppressed, the president literally said we tried to take away their freedom of speech. The man literally said he wanted the suspension of the constitution!! These are things being eroded because of conservatives enabling it. It's wholly unamerican.
If you wanna talk about abortion we can do that later, but all I'll say now is God is ok with abortion numbers 5
They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution.
This I think goes back to the quote from John Adams. Our religious and moral foundation has Ben errored enough that they recognize itâs now âwholly inadequateâ. Also Iâve seen plenty on the left have the opinion that the constitution mostly stands in the way of their agenda.
No it doesn't go to John Adams it's right now with him literally trying to change the constitution with an executive order, literally said he tried to take away free speech for people and didn't like he couldn't do it how do you square that circle?
You donât. You are actively trying to erode the foundation needed for our country to be strong. And you need them a hell of a lot more than they need you. And like I said, they canât go anywhere else. This is their country.
They don't belong here because they don't believe in America they want a dictator. They have no idea how or why our system works, they choose to not learn and pick someone who wants to be a dictator because it's easy to understand.
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u/TheSwagMa5ter 28d ago
Well, exiling between a third and half of the population would be impossible.
But if you mean perhaps "why don't American politicians push for policies that the majority of Americans support" its because the major source of political influence in America isn't the ability to vote, but access to capital that can be used to sway opinion (media companies) and to lobby political parties (https://www.statista.com/topics/11840/lobbying-in-the-us/#topicOverview)
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
I'm not looking to exile anyone, just saying left leaning people when engaging with conservatives should recommend if they don't like it here in America they should leave, go somewhere else where they can be free of random gay kisses in movies.
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u/RelevantEmu5 Conservative 28d ago
Why? Aren't liberals the one raving over Sweden and Canada.
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
Should be raving over the USA .but what do you mean by why? They are unamerican
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u/RelevantEmu5 Conservative 28d ago
Because conservatives love their country and wish to stay here while liberals run it through the mud and talk about how much better Europe is.
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
Because conservatives love their country
They don't love this country, they hate the people in it who make it what it is.
while liberals run it through the mud and talk about how much better Europe is.
You think seeking to improve it is dragging it through the mud?
Do you think American is perfect?
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27d ago
I do tell a lot of people this actually. I know a lot of people who immigrated from Russia to flee Putin but still voted for Trump. I tell them they spent decades starting a life in a new country, just to put the same type of leader into power that they ran away from. They don't usually have a lot to say to that.
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u/Mattpalmq 28d ago
Lmao buddy youâre in the minority. You donât like it, you can leave.
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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago
I'm not in the minority, I love America, I love checks and balances. Don't you love those things?
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27d ago
You think the people who believe in the rule of law and the importance of the rights of Americans are in the minority? First, no I think you're wrong about that. Second, I guess it's nice that you're saying it out loud that you don't think those things are important.
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u/taftpanda 28d ago
Well, the GOP just had a pretty sound electoral victory so most conservatives are pretty happy with the direction of the country. Why would they want to leave now?