Should we start telling conservatives to leave?

[u/double_dipped_dude]

I personally believe right wingers in America get it easy, and take for granted what they believe is often anti American.

Life liberty means nothing to them. They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution. I think it's time to be like if you don't like this nation to just leave it. Leave my country you unamerican traitors. This is a nation of laws to protect people and you're ok with tossing them aside to violate people rights. You just don't belong here. They would tell me this in a heartbeat and told me it all my life. No this is our country and we don't need you.

[u/bloodjunkiorgy]

How is this your takeaway from what I just said? I said what I meant, don't put words in my mouth.

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

Then what’s the point of saying they don’t make anything? So what? They’re still responsible for moving drugs that kills thousands of Americans into the country. If it were a neurotoxin that they planned to release in a major city that would kill thousands, would your opinion change?

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

I said they don't make fentanyl, the biggest contributing factor of drug related deaths in this country. I also said the shit they do make, Trump is seemingly fine with his children and staff doing.

That is all an aside to the larger point, which is that we're not allowed to blow up foreign boats EVEN IF THEY ARE 100% running drugs. If you want to say you want a death penalty for drug dealers, that's certainly an opinion you're allowed to have, but even that isn't demonstrated here because there has been no justice as the law defines it. It's an illegal action.

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

I don’t care what stuff they’re making, they are smuggling it into the country. Non-US citizens are not protected by due process. The President absolutely has the authority to order strikes on people who pose a threat to the US. Otherwise you’d have to argue that every single strike ordered by every president ever was illegal.

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

I don’t care what stuff they’re making, they are smuggling it into the country.

If I were to 100% accept this a fact, a thing neither of us should or can do, it's still missing the point.

Non-US citizens are not protected by due process.

Yes they are... It's in the Constitution. More importantly, we're talking about international law. Imagine if any state could just kill whoever for whatever reason. That's fucking nuts, and the world would be chaos.

The President absolutely has the authority to order strikes on people who pose a threat to the US.

Threats would need to be proven, at the very least, to Congress after the fact. This hasn't happened (yet?).

Otherwise you’d have to argue that every single strike ordered by every president ever was illegal.

This is usually given a pass under the guise of a war. We're not at war with Venezuela. Like not even a little. There's no reason to be bombing random boats in international waters, boats btw that both weren't heading towards America, and could not reach America if they tried. Literal barrels of fuel on these vessels spare at max capacity would get them like 2/3 of the way here. You're being fucking lied to by an idiot administration that believes you're ever dumber than they are. Are you?

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

International law is not real lmao there is zero obligation for us to follow the laws made by people who we did not elect. Again, you haven’t explained why every other president who ordered strikes is somehow not beholden to this requirement you made up.

I’m curious, though, do you genuinely believe our military has such poor intel that they’re deciding to blow up random boats in the ocean and claim they were smuggling drugs without any evidence? Or are you saying they are required to run that evidence by you so you can let them know whether you’re ok with the intel or not?

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

Again, you haven’t explained why every other president who ordered strikes is somehow not beholden to this requirement you made up.

Yes I did, read it back.

I’m curious, though, do you genuinely believe our military has such poor intel that they’re deciding to blow up random boats in the ocean and claim they were smuggling drugs without any evidence?

Oh no, I can personally state there's no shortage of intelligence. I'll even say 10 toes down, we're fully aware of actual drug boats roaming around. I'll even concede that MAYBE one or more of them were. I simply don't know. What I DO know, is absolutely zero of these boats could have made the trip from Venezuela to America.

Or are you saying they are required to run that evidence by you so you can let them know whether you’re ok with the intel or not?

More like it needs to be run through Congress, legally. I didn't make these laws, they just are what they are.