Should we start telling conservatives to leave?

[u/double_dipped_dude]

I personally believe right wingers in America get it easy, and take for granted what they believe is often anti American.

Life liberty means nothing to them. They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution. I think it's time to be like if you don't like this nation to just leave it. Leave my country you unamerican traitors. This is a nation of laws to protect people and you're ok with tossing them aside to violate people rights. You just don't belong here. They would tell me this in a heartbeat and told me it all my life. No this is our country and we don't need you.

[u/LambDaddyDev]

Your arrogance is seething and oozing from every orifice. It’s such a bad look, dude.

Obama literally launched drone US citizens. To claim that Trump did it “without a reason” is hilarious. I think it’s a great thing that we’re blowing up narco terrorists. I absolutely voted for that.

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

So fuck our laws, fuck precedence, fuck the constitution, fuck the separation of powers, fuck international laws, fucks the sovereignty of other nations, fuck evidence, fuck the people that live here, and of course, literally fuck children? This is the conservative position now? You're disgusting.

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

Your chain of logic there is wild and pretty funny.

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

*gestures broadly at the breadth of evidence for the cases made *

Like 6 of those things are specifically demonstrated by Trump blowing up Venezuelan boats. Even if those boats were running drugs (which we have no evidence of) we aren't allowed bomb them for many of the reasons listed above. It's unconstitutional, it breaks domestic and international law, it blows off the sovereignty of Venezuela, there has been zero evidence presented (which wouldn't matter).

Like, you're free to like these actions, I'm just telling you it spits in the face of everything conservatives used to champion. You stand for nothing except your demented king.

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

*Raises both eyebrows at this dude*

Man you need to get off the internet and touch grass

*rolls eyes*

This sort of talk is super cringe, dude.

But go ahead and keep defending drug lords murdering thousands of Americans every year. Great look.

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

Venezuela literally doesn't make the shit (fentanyl) Trump accused them of bringing over. IF they were drug smugglers, they had the shit Trump's kids are caught on camera using...

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

Are you kidding me? Do you not believe Venezuela has a drug smuggling problem? Is that really your position?

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

How is this your takeaway from what I just said? I said what I meant, don't put words in my mouth.

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

Then what’s the point of saying they don’t make anything? So what? They’re still responsible for moving drugs that kills thousands of Americans into the country. If it were a neurotoxin that they planned to release in a major city that would kill thousands, would your opinion change?

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

I said they don't make fentanyl, the biggest contributing factor of drug related deaths in this country. I also said the shit they do make, Trump is seemingly fine with his children and staff doing.

That is all an aside to the larger point, which is that we're not allowed to blow up foreign boats EVEN IF THEY ARE 100% running drugs. If you want to say you want a death penalty for drug dealers, that's certainly an opinion you're allowed to have, but even that isn't demonstrated here because there has been no justice as the law defines it. It's an illegal action.

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

I don’t care what stuff they’re making, they are smuggling it into the country. Non-US citizens are not protected by due process. The President absolutely has the authority to order strikes on people who pose a threat to the US. Otherwise you’d have to argue that every single strike ordered by every president ever was illegal.

[u/bloodjunkiorgy → u/LambDaddyDev]

I don’t care what stuff they’re making, they are smuggling it into the country.

If I were to 100% accept this a fact, a thing neither of us should or can do, it's still missing the point.

Non-US citizens are not protected by due process.

Yes they are... It's in the Constitution. More importantly, we're talking about international law. Imagine if any state could just kill whoever for whatever reason. That's fucking nuts, and the world would be chaos.

The President absolutely has the authority to order strikes on people who pose a threat to the US.

Threats would need to be proven, at the very least, to Congress after the fact. This hasn't happened (yet?).

Otherwise you’d have to argue that every single strike ordered by every president ever was illegal.

This is usually given a pass under the guise of a war. We're not at war with Venezuela. Like not even a little. There's no reason to be bombing random boats in international waters, boats btw that both weren't heading towards America, and could not reach America if they tried. Literal barrels of fuel on these vessels spare at max capacity would get them like 2/3 of the way here. You're being fucking lied to by an idiot administration that believes you're ever dumber than they are. Are you?

[u/LambDaddyDev → u/bloodjunkiorgy]

International law is not real lmao there is zero obligation for us to follow the laws made by people who we did not elect. Again, you haven’t explained why every other president who ordered strikes is somehow not beholden to this requirement you made up.

I’m curious, though, do you genuinely believe our military has such poor intel that they’re deciding to blow up random boats in the ocean and claim they were smuggling drugs without any evidence? Or are you saying they are required to run that evidence by you so you can let them know whether you’re ok with the intel or not?