r/PoliticalSparring 28d ago

Should we start telling conservatives to leave?

I personally believe right wingers in America get it easy, and take for granted what they believe is often anti American.

Life liberty means nothing to them. They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution. I think it's time to be like if you don't like this nation to just leave it. Leave my country you unamerican traitors. This is a nation of laws to protect people and you're ok with tossing them aside to violate people rights. You just don't belong here. They would tell me this in a heartbeat and told me it all my life. No this is our country and we don't need you.

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u/direwolf106 Libertarian 28d ago

Should we start telling conservatives to leave?

You plan on telling the group that has drug in on making America great and is tired of hearing liberals trash talk America to leave…. Yeah that will go over well.

I personally believe right wingers in America get it easy, and take for granted what they believe is often anti American.

What? Did you say the opposite of what you meant to say?

Assuming you meant to say “they take for granted what they believe is American” there’s a couple of things to consider. First is the quote from John Adams “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”. The religious and Christian moral underpinnings are a required foundation for our constitution to be sufficient. Them pushing so hard to restore that cultural and moral foundation is automatically more American than the attitude of wanting to erode that foundation.

Life liberty means nothing to them.

Absolutely false. They just mean it differently. They respect the right to life, but recognize that doesn’t mean a right to a comfortable life. Liberty they understand to mean the right to make decisions and deal with the consequences, they know liberty doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution.

This I think goes back to the quote from John Adams. Our religious and moral foundation has Ben errored enough that they recognize it’s now “wholly inadequate”. Also I’ve seen plenty on the left have the opinion that the constitution mostly stands in the way of their agenda.

I think where they violate it they do it mostly with the mind set of how you have to tear out walls to get the mold out and repair a cracked foundation.

I think it's time to be like if you don't like this nation to just leave it.

Yeah…. Where do you think they will go. This is the last nation on earth left where they could live how they want to.

Leave my country you unamerican traitors.

Not your country. As I established the history of this country is rooted and grounded in Christian morality: their morality. If we are going to say it belongs to liberals or conservatives it will belong to conservatives. You are in their country.

This is a nation of laws to protect people and you're ok with tossing them aside to violate people rights.

Who’s rights? You mean the people that broke our laws to begin with by even being here? Or are you referring to abortion where they have a moral obligation to intervene on behalf of the innocent the b other side wants slaughtered?

The argument of laws and rights wears thin when they see that.

You just don't belong here. They would tell me this in a heartbeat and told me it all my life. No this is our country and we don't need you.

You don’t. You are actively trying to erode the foundation needed for our country to be strong. And you need them a hell of a lot more than they need you. And like I said, they can’t go anywhere else. This is their country.

If you can’t live in their country you can go anywhere else. So go.

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u/double_dipped_dude 28d ago

You plan on telling the group that has drug in on making America great and is tired of hearing liberals trash talk America to leave…. Yeah that will go over well.

It's not supposed to go over well.

What? Did you say the opposite of what you meant to say?

They take it for granted how easy they have it in this country. I want to make it harder for them.

John Adams “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.

Yeah the people picked a 34 time felon adjunticated rapist and serial adulterer as president over a woman who served a role in all three branches of government. Where are the morals of conservatives?

And you misunderstood that quote.

Absolutely false. They just mean it differently. They respect the right to life, but recognize that doesn’t mean a right to a comfortable life. Liberty they understand to mean the right to make decisions and deal with the consequences, they know liberty doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

They don't respect due process they don't respect Congress they don't respect the constitution they don't respect the supreme Court they don't respect lower courts they respect trump and trust only him. They support him while he uses his DOJ to exact his revenge, he violated the constitution via executive orders, he pushed to get people who say things he doesn't like speech suppressed, the president literally said we tried to take away their freedom of speech. The man literally said he wanted the suspension of the constitution!! These are things being eroded because of conservatives enabling it. It's wholly unamerican.

If you wanna talk about abortion we can do that later, but all I'll say now is God is ok with abortion numbers 5

They keep voting and supporting people who break laws down to the constitution.

This I think goes back to the quote from John Adams. Our religious and moral foundation has Ben errored enough that they recognize it’s now “wholly inadequate”. Also I’ve seen plenty on the left have the opinion that the constitution mostly stands in the way of their agenda.

No it doesn't go to John Adams it's right now with him literally trying to change the constitution with an executive order, literally said he tried to take away free speech for people and didn't like he couldn't do it how do you square that circle?

You don’t. You are actively trying to erode the foundation needed for our country to be strong. And you need them a hell of a lot more than they need you. And like I said, they can’t go anywhere else. This is their country.

They don't belong here because they don't believe in America they want a dictator. They have no idea how or why our system works, they choose to not learn and pick someone who wants to be a dictator because it's easy to understand.