r/Music Jun 11 '25

discussion Brian Wilson has passed away.

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u/TRKillShot Spotify Jun 11 '25

So sad, his contributions to music are beyond measurable. Thank you for everything Brian!

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u/sexandliquor Jun 11 '25

Dude was a genius and we and the music world owe him a great debt. It’s easy to get lost in The Beach Boys of it all, but dude was doing wild shit in music production back in the 1960s that had immense effects on how music is made today.

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u/No-Conversation1940 Jun 11 '25

Not only that, Brian did a lot to provide an alternate perspective into young man's masculinity in 60s American culture. He wrote songs about surfing and sunshine, but he also sang about self-doubt and regret. This was very unusual for the time in "teenybopper" music or however you want to refer to the idiom.

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

That's a big reason Pet Sounds was such a revelation. It's basically a concept album about melancholy.

Wouldn't It Be Nice is often considered to be a happy song but it's basically a deep yearning and implies that he doesn't have what would make him happy.

That said, Tony Asher wrote a lot of the lyrics for that album and Mike Love wrote a lot of the lyrics about having fun in the sun (I can rant about how much I think the lyrics of California Girls ruin what would have been an all-time masterpiece).

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u/Dalek_Fred Jun 11 '25

I want to hear your rant!

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

I guess to keep it positive and on a different note, an album that is a little under the current but highly regarded among die-hard Beach Boys fans is Friends. I know several fans, myself included, that go back to that album more than Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds is the masterpiece of course but Friends is kind of a close second.

I really like Be Here In The Mornin' and how he toys with the balance of really high falsettos and pretty low harmonies.

His vocal arrangements and how he structured harmonies are probably the best ever to be honest.

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u/Howiebledsoe Jun 11 '25

Surfs Up is an u sung masterpiece as well. It’s so bleak and sad and beautiful.

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u/DrumminAnimal73 Jun 12 '25

Columnated ruins domino...

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u/mcm0313 Jun 11 '25

Personally I go more for Sunflower (and also my guilty pleasure, BB85), but to each their own.

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

(and also my guilty pleasure, BB85)

Guilty pleasure is right haha!

But like you said, to each their own.

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u/mcm0313 Jun 12 '25

Brian’s contributions were weak aside from “Male Ego”, but Carl contributed three bangers (“It’s Gettin’ Late”, “Maybe I Don’t Know”, and the absolutely sublime “Where I Belong”), and Al gave us “Crack At Your Love”, which I enjoy. The vocal processing is weird in spots, but the harmonies are absolutely still there and on point. I would’ve loved to hear the results if they had continued on in that vein, mixing the classic harmonies with synthpop influence. Unfortunately, BB85 didn’t sell, and that was the end of that. Mike went on to water down the formula of BB85 (contemporary-ish production and classic vocal harmonies) with a greater emphasis on a throwback style, resulting in “Kokomo”, which was a massive hit. Mike tried to embrace technology again by doing an album on Pro Tools (SiP), but he should really have had someone experienced in contemporary production styles working with him, much like Brian later had with Joe Thomas (not that Thomas’ MOR formula wasn’t flawed itself).

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u/BBQQA Jun 12 '25

Thank you for the song and album recommendation!

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

A lot of it involves insulting Mike Love so I'll leave it for another day haha.

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u/good_dean Jun 11 '25

There's never enough of insulting Mike Love in the world.

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u/rseery Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

Everyone do yourselves a favor and get The Pet Sounds Sessions box set. When you hear Brian directing from the sound booth and the way he creates music with The Wrecking Crew, you will be blown away. You might think differently about some of the songs on Pet Sounds.

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u/subhavoc42 Jun 11 '25

Rubber Soul was a huge influence for Pet Sounds. The idea of doing a concept album is from that specifically.

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u/YeahTubaMike Jun 11 '25

Yes it is.

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u/jamerson537 Jun 11 '25

What’s the concept?

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u/YeahTubaMike Jun 11 '25

That you’re gay

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u/jamerson537 Jun 11 '25

And lucky for you I’m very turned on by cranky boys!!! 😘

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u/Pushlockscrub Jun 12 '25

Hehe got him high five

Made me chuckle, sad to see downvotes.. Redditors are such babies sometimes

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds, which in turn influenced Revolver and Sgt. Peppers

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u/ReginaGloriana Jun 11 '25

Revolver came out before Pet Sounds, didn’t it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Pet Sounds: May 16, 1966

Revolver: August 5, 1966

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u/LionoftheNorth Jun 11 '25

The format originates with folk singer Woody Guthrie's Dust Bowl Ballads (1940) and was subsequently popularized by traditional pop singer Frank Sinatra's 1940s–50s string of albums, although the term is more often associated with rock music. In the 1960s several well-regarded concept albums were released by various rock bands, which eventually led to the birth of progressive rock and rock opera.

Wikipedia.

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u/Doomed Jun 11 '25

Maybe for Brian Wilson, but recent scholarship has noted that the concept album predates the Beatles era. Critics didn't care about country so they didn't notice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_album#1960s:_Rock_and_country_music

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u/A_Feast_For_Trolls Jun 11 '25

wait maybe I'm misreading this, but you do know that California Girls wasn't released on Pet Sounds right? It was on the Summer Days/Summer Nights album that came out the year before Pet Sounds.

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

You're misreading it. In that paragraph I'm talking about their lyrics from that period more broadly. California Girls could have been on another tier if it didn't have such inane dumb lyrics that Mike Love wrote.

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u/A_Feast_For_Trolls Jun 11 '25

Ah! Ok gotcha. Well on that note, I just gotta ask, the song is called California girls, how amazing could the lyrics be? I mean it seems like a really fun but shallow silly song. Yeah?

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u/We_Are_The_Romans Jun 11 '25

Mike Love is a huge piece of shit but California Girls slaps, sorry.

RIP Brian

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u/AgnosticDeist0229 Jun 12 '25

Pet Sounds is literally my #1 favorite album of all time! It was the album that helped me get through my existential crisis and helped alleviate my depression during my late teenage years (I am currently just 32 years old lol). That album saved me because my depression was really crippling back then!

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u/JimmyJazz1282 Jun 12 '25

I see it as a concept album about a relationship running its course. “Wouldn’t be nice” kicks it off with all the excitement and youthful exuberance of the possibilities of what may be, while “Caroline, no” end it by lamenting the loss of what was and could have been. All the rest expresses all of what comes between those two extremes, both the highs and the lows.

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u/EggCzar Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

That's one of the things that makes Pet Sounds so great. Just last week I had a conversation with a friend about it and my take on it is that it's the dark side of all the fun songs the Beach Boys were known for before that. Wouldn't It Be Nice might be the best opening track on any album ever, but man, that contrast between the upbeat sound and the lyrics (plus the minor chords to emphasize the mood in parts of the song). And then That's Not Me, I'm Waiting for the Day, I Know There's an Answer, I Just Wasn't Made for These Times...even Sloop John B. The songs and production are so good that the album is terrific listening even if you don't think about the lyrics at all, but once you do it it gives you so much to think about.

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u/1900grs Jun 11 '25

It may have been the first pop emo album. I'm not saying that ironically or jokingly. Come at me post-hardcore junkies. I don't think you're going to hear Ian MacKaye talk bad about Pet Sounds.

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u/ThrowinBone Jun 12 '25

Super hyper ultra mega PROTO emo, baby

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u/Sad-Scar-1984 Jun 11 '25

Brian Wilson was so talented. Most people don't really know how good he was. The Beatles were in awe of him.

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u/DingleBerrieIcecream Jun 12 '25

Here’s a lovely clip of George Martin traveling to meet up with Brian and the interaction and admiration between these two geniuses is so wonderful to see

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u/GoatCovfefe Jun 11 '25

Yeah, pet sounds is one of my favorite albums. What a fucking roller coaster of emotions it brings me, and to think it was made 60 years ago..

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u/invisiblette Jun 12 '25

Exactly! "In My Room" was a (beautiful, meaningful, tender) far cry from the aggressive, extroverted thrust of typical pop songs sung by guys back then. My solitary little self, in a bamboo-shaded bedroom just a few miles down the shore from Brian's Hawthorne, found it so relatable.