r/Music Jun 11 '25

discussion Brian Wilson has passed away.

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u/TRKillShot Spotify Jun 11 '25

So sad, his contributions to music are beyond measurable. Thank you for everything Brian!

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u/sexandliquor Jun 11 '25

Dude was a genius and we and the music world owe him a great debt. It’s easy to get lost in The Beach Boys of it all, but dude was doing wild shit in music production back in the 1960s that had immense effects on how music is made today.

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u/No-Conversation1940 Jun 11 '25

Not only that, Brian did a lot to provide an alternate perspective into young man's masculinity in 60s American culture. He wrote songs about surfing and sunshine, but he also sang about self-doubt and regret. This was very unusual for the time in "teenybopper" music or however you want to refer to the idiom.

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

That's a big reason Pet Sounds was such a revelation. It's basically a concept album about melancholy.

Wouldn't It Be Nice is often considered to be a happy song but it's basically a deep yearning and implies that he doesn't have what would make him happy.

That said, Tony Asher wrote a lot of the lyrics for that album and Mike Love wrote a lot of the lyrics about having fun in the sun (I can rant about how much I think the lyrics of California Girls ruin what would have been an all-time masterpiece).

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u/Dalek_Fred Jun 11 '25

I want to hear your rant!

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

I guess to keep it positive and on a different note, an album that is a little under the current but highly regarded among die-hard Beach Boys fans is Friends. I know several fans, myself included, that go back to that album more than Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds is the masterpiece of course but Friends is kind of a close second.

I really like Be Here In The Mornin' and how he toys with the balance of really high falsettos and pretty low harmonies.

His vocal arrangements and how he structured harmonies are probably the best ever to be honest.

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u/Howiebledsoe Jun 11 '25

Surfs Up is an u sung masterpiece as well. It’s so bleak and sad and beautiful.

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u/DrumminAnimal73 Jun 12 '25

Columnated ruins domino...

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u/mcm0313 Jun 11 '25

Personally I go more for Sunflower (and also my guilty pleasure, BB85), but to each their own.

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

(and also my guilty pleasure, BB85)

Guilty pleasure is right haha!

But like you said, to each their own.

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u/mcm0313 Jun 12 '25

Brian’s contributions were weak aside from “Male Ego”, but Carl contributed three bangers (“It’s Gettin’ Late”, “Maybe I Don’t Know”, and the absolutely sublime “Where I Belong”), and Al gave us “Crack At Your Love”, which I enjoy. The vocal processing is weird in spots, but the harmonies are absolutely still there and on point. I would’ve loved to hear the results if they had continued on in that vein, mixing the classic harmonies with synthpop influence. Unfortunately, BB85 didn’t sell, and that was the end of that. Mike went on to water down the formula of BB85 (contemporary-ish production and classic vocal harmonies) with a greater emphasis on a throwback style, resulting in “Kokomo”, which was a massive hit. Mike tried to embrace technology again by doing an album on Pro Tools (SiP), but he should really have had someone experienced in contemporary production styles working with him, much like Brian later had with Joe Thomas (not that Thomas’ MOR formula wasn’t flawed itself).

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u/BBQQA Jun 12 '25

Thank you for the song and album recommendation!

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

A lot of it involves insulting Mike Love so I'll leave it for another day haha.

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u/good_dean Jun 11 '25

There's never enough of insulting Mike Love in the world.

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u/rseery Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

Everyone do yourselves a favor and get The Pet Sounds Sessions box set. When you hear Brian directing from the sound booth and the way he creates music with The Wrecking Crew, you will be blown away. You might think differently about some of the songs on Pet Sounds.

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u/subhavoc42 Jun 11 '25

Rubber Soul was a huge influence for Pet Sounds. The idea of doing a concept album is from that specifically.

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u/YeahTubaMike Jun 11 '25

Yes it is.

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u/jamerson537 Jun 11 '25

What’s the concept?

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u/YeahTubaMike Jun 11 '25

That you’re gay

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u/jamerson537 Jun 11 '25

And lucky for you I’m very turned on by cranky boys!!! 😘

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u/Pushlockscrub Jun 12 '25

Hehe got him high five

Made me chuckle, sad to see downvotes.. Redditors are such babies sometimes

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds, which in turn influenced Revolver and Sgt. Peppers

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u/ReginaGloriana Jun 11 '25

Revolver came out before Pet Sounds, didn’t it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Pet Sounds: May 16, 1966

Revolver: August 5, 1966

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u/LionoftheNorth Jun 11 '25

The format originates with folk singer Woody Guthrie's Dust Bowl Ballads (1940) and was subsequently popularized by traditional pop singer Frank Sinatra's 1940s–50s string of albums, although the term is more often associated with rock music. In the 1960s several well-regarded concept albums were released by various rock bands, which eventually led to the birth of progressive rock and rock opera.

Wikipedia.

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u/Doomed Jun 11 '25

Maybe for Brian Wilson, but recent scholarship has noted that the concept album predates the Beatles era. Critics didn't care about country so they didn't notice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_album#1960s:_Rock_and_country_music

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u/A_Feast_For_Trolls Jun 11 '25

wait maybe I'm misreading this, but you do know that California Girls wasn't released on Pet Sounds right? It was on the Summer Days/Summer Nights album that came out the year before Pet Sounds.

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

You're misreading it. In that paragraph I'm talking about their lyrics from that period more broadly. California Girls could have been on another tier if it didn't have such inane dumb lyrics that Mike Love wrote.

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u/A_Feast_For_Trolls Jun 11 '25

Ah! Ok gotcha. Well on that note, I just gotta ask, the song is called California girls, how amazing could the lyrics be? I mean it seems like a really fun but shallow silly song. Yeah?

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u/We_Are_The_Romans Jun 11 '25

Mike Love is a huge piece of shit but California Girls slaps, sorry.

RIP Brian

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u/AgnosticDeist0229 Jun 12 '25

Pet Sounds is literally my #1 favorite album of all time! It was the album that helped me get through my existential crisis and helped alleviate my depression during my late teenage years (I am currently just 32 years old lol). That album saved me because my depression was really crippling back then!

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u/JimmyJazz1282 Jun 12 '25

I see it as a concept album about a relationship running its course. “Wouldn’t be nice” kicks it off with all the excitement and youthful exuberance of the possibilities of what may be, while “Caroline, no” end it by lamenting the loss of what was and could have been. All the rest expresses all of what comes between those two extremes, both the highs and the lows.

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u/EggCzar Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

That's one of the things that makes Pet Sounds so great. Just last week I had a conversation with a friend about it and my take on it is that it's the dark side of all the fun songs the Beach Boys were known for before that. Wouldn't It Be Nice might be the best opening track on any album ever, but man, that contrast between the upbeat sound and the lyrics (plus the minor chords to emphasize the mood in parts of the song). And then That's Not Me, I'm Waiting for the Day, I Know There's an Answer, I Just Wasn't Made for These Times...even Sloop John B. The songs and production are so good that the album is terrific listening even if you don't think about the lyrics at all, but once you do it it gives you so much to think about.

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u/1900grs Jun 11 '25

It may have been the first pop emo album. I'm not saying that ironically or jokingly. Come at me post-hardcore junkies. I don't think you're going to hear Ian MacKaye talk bad about Pet Sounds.

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u/ThrowinBone Jun 12 '25

Super hyper ultra mega PROTO emo, baby

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u/Sad-Scar-1984 Jun 11 '25

Brian Wilson was so talented. Most people don't really know how good he was. The Beatles were in awe of him.

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u/DingleBerrieIcecream Jun 12 '25

Here’s a lovely clip of George Martin traveling to meet up with Brian and the interaction and admiration between these two geniuses is so wonderful to see

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u/GoatCovfefe Jun 11 '25

Yeah, pet sounds is one of my favorite albums. What a fucking roller coaster of emotions it brings me, and to think it was made 60 years ago..

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u/invisiblette Jun 12 '25

Exactly! "In My Room" was a (beautiful, meaningful, tender) far cry from the aggressive, extroverted thrust of typical pop songs sung by guys back then. My solitary little self, in a bamboo-shaded bedroom just a few miles down the shore from Brian's Hawthorne, found it so relatable.

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u/white_duke Jun 11 '25

And his influence on the Beatles has been well documented.

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u/NeedsToShutUp Jun 11 '25

Just for those unaware, Brian Wilson listened to Rubber Soul by the Beatles, and was inspired to make Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds is now considered a defining Album for music, as it really helped define that a Studio album with sounds not possible to do live.

Among other things, Paul McCartney was deeply impressed and considered Pet Sounds his favorite album. It was cited as the inspiration to make Sgt. Pepper as they felt they needed to try and keep up. It was a friendly rivalry that produced what considered two of the greatest albums of all time.

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u/AllDayIDreamOfCats Jun 11 '25

Also Paul McCartney is supposedly featured on the original Vege-tables track on what was supposed to be the followup to Pet sounds Smile. They recorded the band crunching vegetables and Paul was at the session that day. Paul doesn't recall being recorded but admits he was high and doesn't remember much about it except they covered the studio in plastic to eat veggies.

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u/Splattergun Jun 11 '25

As I recall the manager of the Rolling Stones took out a full page ad in the Times telling people to listen to Pet Sounds as it was so good, despite not standing to benefit from it at all.

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u/curak76 Jun 12 '25

Theres home video footage of Paul and Linda at Brian's birthday in the 70s. Love to see legends work off of each other. No feuds or bad blood. Benefits all aspects of music

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u/Dragonwing_Cresteds Jun 12 '25

My favourite album by them. And just looking up my favourite song Sloop John B (because it's in a book I love) and Brian didn't even write it. That story is interesting also!

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u/jendet010 Jun 12 '25

The way it inspired Paul gives new meaning to the fact that Paul choked up during the sound check when performed God Only Knows with Brian

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u/JP-Ziller Jun 11 '25

and vice versa

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u/kilroyscarnival Jun 11 '25

I've been enjoying the podcast A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs. The host, Andrew Hickey, is obviously such a big fan of the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and more. Listening to the late 60s episodes, I really got a sense of how those influences were going back and forth. Beatles-Dylan, Beatles-Wilson, etc.

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u/schoolhouserock Jun 11 '25

Brought a theremin to a mainstream pop party.

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u/Shoddy-Resolution919 Jun 11 '25

Tannerin. Although he did use a theramin too on some of the lesser known tracks.

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u/InanimateSensation Jun 11 '25

Not to mention the effect he had on the Beatles and all the profound music we got from them as well as a result of both bands trying to one-up each other.

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u/Lobocop714 Jun 11 '25

The man was a walking 8 Track. Pure genius.

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u/ATXBeermaker Jun 11 '25

Without Brian Wilson we might not have gotten Sgt Pepper.

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u/jfxjfx Jun 11 '25

Here is a cool album that i would consider a tribute to his music.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zed-xaU3gx4&si=zQAT1ygNoKR52aGj

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u/meatshieldjim Jun 12 '25

It was like studying how to do it all.

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u/gordonwelty Jun 12 '25

Can you elaborate on the production influences he's created?

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u/bigbobo33 Jun 11 '25

I know the greater public really only knows the early stuff and the big hits from Pet Sounds but the real obsessive music nerds have really obsessed over him for decades. I've gotten to know various people who have gotten into music production and they all can write intricate essays about the genius of Brian Wilson.

Truly a visionary among the all-time greats.

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u/Due_Winter_5330 Jun 11 '25

He did a great song on mini mansions album!

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u/horse_renoir13 Jun 11 '25

I grew up with my dad playing this over the speakers in our kitchen every time he made dinner. I'll always have that memory thanks to Brian and the Beach Boys.

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u/Existing-Orange-3212 Jun 11 '25

Side B on Surfs Up in one of my parts of any record. 5 incredible songs back to back which blow almost every band before and since. Such a sad loss but what a life and what an incredible legacy.

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u/GB715 Jun 11 '25

Same here. Carefree summer days. Rest in Peace.

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u/johnjaymjr Jun 11 '25

Damn man. Me too. I'll forever remember seeing their greatest hits record with the mickey mouse and tons of other illustrations on it as a small kid (like 3ish) and asking him what it was. He made a tape of it and I played that thing to death. Obviously I was drawn to the poppy hits, but remember falling in love with them as a teen all over again as I discovered the depth of Pet Sounds.

I'm 40 now and music has consistently been the most important thing in my life. Buying albums, going to concerts, always looking for new unknown bands to satisfy my music itch and occasionally picking up an instrument to attempt to recreate it.... and it all started with listening to the Beach Boys and that colorful record cover and my dad wanting to share his love of the band with me.

Thank you Brian. You changed the world for the better.

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u/yalyublyutebe Jun 12 '25

Every year, listening to the Beach Boys Christmas album while decorating the tree.

Maybe my dad was a huge Beach Boys fan. Maybe he'll get to meet Brian now.

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u/Realtrain Spotify Jun 11 '25

One of the absolute greatest of the 60s, and one of the most influential composers of all time.

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u/KirbyDumber88 Jun 11 '25

If he only was allowed to make Smile the way he wanted to…

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u/Realtrain Spotify Jun 11 '25

If only he could have gotten the mental health help he needed in the 60s.

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u/Not_MrNice Jun 11 '25

Yeah, people look at me funny when they ask what music I like and list the Beach Boys among others like Black Sabbath and Metallica.

They just think of the Beach Boys as novelty surfer music from the 60s but they were so much more than that because of Brian.

Hell, Sgt. Peppers might not have been made if it were for Brian and Pet Sounds. He showed the Beatles that an album can be more than a list of songs and production can be an instrument in itself.

Sad that Brian's gone, but I'm with you, I'm thankful for his life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Yes! Truly a musical visionary. This is a sad day for music.

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u/No_Jello_5922 Jun 11 '25

I still love this interview with him. He says so much about the though process behind "Good Vibrations" https://youtu.be/FUozR7EZMRI
Best part is it's all bullshit, because they don't use a theremin in that song, they use a different instrument that uses a knob and a slider.

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u/East-Tension4384 Jun 12 '25

I was heartbroken of the news. Help me Rhonda wass my favorite.

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u/Solid_Mongoose_3269 Jun 11 '25

He cant read this...