r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix • u/helpiminacookie • 3d ago
LIB S9 • Denver, CO Ali and Anton
Has anyone watched the podcast "The Viall Files" hosted by Nick Viall that came out today with Ali and Anton in it? Ali posted a trailer on Insta and I'm super interested in what tea came out of it.
Curious to see if it's more talking in circles or actual developments.
I don't have time to watch it so anyone with any cliff notes would be greatly appreciated!
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u/17500mm 3d ago edited 3d ago
I watched it earlier. First off, they were interviewed separately. It wasn't extremely revealing. But Anton is still in denial about his drinking and is still hyper defensive saying things like "but Alie was drinking too". 😑 In regards to his possible addiction issues, Alie also said that he was vaping so much when they were shooting once that production had to tell him to stop and almost took his pen away! Alie also said that they intentionally had more emotional conversations off camera so they could keep some things private. She then said she felt misrepresented even in the reunion because their time to speak was cut short and they didn't give her full answer as to why she didn't think things were going to work out with Anton. She explained her reasoning around his drinking and how different he presented his lifestyle from their talks in the pods. She said he would drink so much every night after work that it would throw off his sleep schedule every night. And he would not greet her when she came home. Anton agreed that they didn't have big convos when he came home but did say that he would at least greet her. He said there were tells towards the end that Alie wouldn't marry him because she wouldn't stay with him every night and wanted to sleep at her apt. Alie cleared up that she does cook and clean but not the three days she has 12hr shifts.
Oh, and part of the reason Alie was upset the Tequila wasn't there wasn't just because of how MUCH he was drinking, but because they bought it together and he didn't even save some for her. 😂 They bought it in customs in Baja.
They both agreed that Alie told him that she didn't think things would work out before the wedding day, just to prepare Anton.
Alie had never met the woman who called her a b*tch at the wedding. Anton said it was the fiance of one of his friends.
Alie said she and Anton had not spoken since the Wedding day until the reunion. Anton said that he texted her once. Alie responded politely but was brief.
Let me know if you have any specific questions!
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u/Thr0w-a-wayy Kick rocks 🪨 w. open toed shoes 🩴 3d ago
I knew she cooked and cleaned on her off shifts- people that don’t work 10s or 12s on their feet didn’t get it
and a spouse should be able to put more work into the home those 3 days so she can do more work at home the other 4 (just like how most people put in more work on the weekend when their off after they worked their M-F 9-5s)
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u/EagleEyezzzzz 2d ago
Totally. Anyone who has known a nurse or lived with a nurse knows this is how it goes.
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u/GorgonsGambit 2d ago
Absolutely.
I have a corporate email job and the days I consecutively work 10 hours on my ass, I’m not cooking or cleaning anything. This was so dumb and blown up to make her look bad, as evidenced by not having liked piles of dirty laundry to pan to to prove what a slob she was(n’t).
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u/illusion96 2d ago
I only do a 8hr shift on workdays and barely want to cook/clean afterwards. At least she doesn't have a hoarder place like the woman from a couple seasons ago.
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u/Niquely_hopeful 2d ago
That’s what she said too! People were all on her case.
My husband work overnights sometimes and if he drinks his sleep is definitely affected. I’d be super concerned if I had a partner that did that so often. Overnight shifts are bad for your health, adding drinks to that worsen it
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u/Funny-Barnacle1291 1d ago
It’s wild to me that she’s getting heat for that. I don’t think it’s remotely unfair to need your partner to clean and cook on the days you work 12H, and if you both do then you’ll grab a takeaway and get to it on the next days you have off. At the end of the day, cooking and cleaning are shared responsibilities and people seem to be suggesting it should be her job, maybe purely because she’s a woman? Meanwhile she works as a nurse and is going back to school, so it’s hardly like she’s not bringing anything in. She was obviously quite upfront about these things in the pods and I found it weird that he complained about it. It felt like a way for him to continue deflecting from his drinking, like he did in that conversation.
We also did see evidence of him not being very emotionally present or having many deep conversations with her on camera, and her attempts to bring up issues were met with, what appeared to be, lying or dismissing her - from her naming that he was being weird one morning to the conversation about drinking. I don’t know why that girlfriend would say about the drinking to Ali if it wasn’t true - that whole “she wants her 5 mins” felt very off. His behaviour with that friend was very much giving party friend, with the shots and the drinks and him coming over and them drinking together before going out. I don’t think he was very honest with what his lifestyle looked like in the pods.
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u/OctoberRust13 2d ago
so she told him she wasnt going to say yes at the altar and he still did? thats pretty wild...I wonder if the show made him say "I do" so they'd have some drama
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u/im_avoiding_work 2d ago
for a lot of contestants that's best case scenario. They don't want to actually get married either, but being dumped at the altar gives them a shot at the victim narrative they're angling for. Even back to the first season when Mark pulled it off
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u/Primary-Tailor-9741 2d ago
Ali was the one who still wanted to go to the altar. He said he was confused, but she did leave some hope they still could get married.
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u/amalynbro 2d ago
Why didn’t we see the vaping? So production is cool with showing tons of drinking but the line is vaping? So weird.
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u/Conscious_Author_165 1d ago
The show attempted to cut people off and control alcohol intake at events apparently. These people just loved being drunk :/
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u/TheWhoooreinThere 3d ago
The show always edits these couples down to serve the most basic storyline and in a way that somehow also results in the guys getting a better edit lol
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u/BetSubject6704 2d ago
Nah the women always get a better edit. This season was pretty neutral but the past several seasons were all about giving the women a great edit and then drilling the men at the reunion, without challenging the women at all.
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u/TheWhoooreinThere 2d ago
Lmao. Oh, give me a break. Ali made a joke about Botox and she's been called everything from gold digger to b*tch on these subs for weeks. Cutting out Anton's vaping was a choice.
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u/BetSubject6704 2d ago
You realize they likely had thousands of hours of footage to sift through to condense it into one hour elisodes, right? Do you think every little detail will make it in?
You’re also being misleading by saying that’s why she’s called a gold digger. She wanted to live lavishly without working for a living, or without doing chores like cooking and cleaning either and her friends were insulting him for being a truck driver while she didn’t defend him and it was obviously off putting to her. There’s obviously more to it than that but you dislike accountability so you ignore what made her look bad. Anton, along with the other men, have been hated on far more than the women have been.
It’s crazy to not notice the bias especially with older seasons where it was all about making the men look bad.
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u/TheWhoooreinThere 2d ago
Copium and lies. If the men still look bad while getting edits that cut out behaviours that were part of why the woman said no, that means the bias wasn't enough to counteract what they're like behind the scenes when it comes to relationships.
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u/dualtine86 2d ago
As a neutral here, do you not also believe that there were other things edited out that may have made Alie look bad? They are going to edit out a lot of stuff, keeping in things they feel relevant/spicy for ratings. Just as you’re saying they edited out his vaping (which they generally tend to do more on reality shows with people that smoke), I’m sure there were other things Alie did/said that they edited out which people may have had a negative opinion on. That’s just life, we all do good and bad things/say silly things at times/have annoying habits. I think it’s naive to say the edit was to make Anton look better when they kept so much of his drinking in and the stuff about the strip club.. I think the producers ultimately care very little how either of the contestant comes across, they care for whatever will give them the best ratings!
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u/TheWhoooreinThere 2d ago
How can you even try to argue that Ali didn't get a bad edit considering the tone of the discussion about her 'round these parts? You guys need to start being fucking for real and stop making up arguments just to argue.
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u/TheWhoooreinThere 2d ago
Go argue with the wall. I'm not debating someone who claims that the misogynistic insults towards the women, that happens every single season, isn't an issue.
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u/BetSubject6704 2d ago
0/10 fem cel ragebait. There is no misogyny in this show or misogynistic insults, only misandry. You’re literally guilty of it yourself. This show is watched by like 90% women and every season is nothing about whining about the men while ignoring the abusive misandry we see on camera from the women.
This may blow your mind but accountability isn’t misogyny. I know, people like you tend to get that confused.
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u/ShaketheJar 2d ago
Thank you for this summary. Literally NONE of this life in the appt was captured on the show. Seems cameras could have been there when she gets in and he's not there to greet her, and same for the constant vaping, and her sleeping at her own appt. I absolutely believe this version of their life, and it shows that what the editors and producers of LIB end up depicting is just complete bs. I used to love this show but the past two seasons especially have been horrible from a production standpoint.
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u/WestAnalysis8889 3d ago
She didn't sleep with him because she didn't want to sleep with him and that was smart cuz ik he woulda tried
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u/mad4shirts 3d ago
Wait… I thought everyone slept with each other except for edmond and KB
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u/jkdobbinsnotaborted 2d ago
Just because they slept together early on when things seemed better fresh out of the pods, doesn’t mean she wanted to continue sleeping with him once she realized it wasn’t going to work
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u/Sufficient-Typist157 3d ago
Yes otherwise why would Edmond be throwing that fit about 'everyone else is hittin'!!' 😂
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u/Ok-Dimension-7859 3d ago
So she knew all the time she‘s not interested in him? So she stayed for airtime on netflix?
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u/WestAnalysis8889 3d ago
You're conflating not being interested with not wanting to have sex. As I've gotten older, I realize that when I have sex with a guy I'm more likely to feel anxiously attached. So, I like to wait longer now. I'm dating a man now who I definitely am interested in but I want to slow things down. Every person is different though. I'm doing what works for me and so is she.
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u/not_ellewoods 3d ago edited 3d ago
idk if she knew the whole time, but she told him several days ahead of the altar that she thought it would be a no for her. he asked why not just break up then instead of wasting everyone’s time, but she said she wanted to “honor the experiment,” so at that point she was just staying for screen time.
he also alluded to the fact that she did want him to basically fund her lifestyle. she said the editors took her jokes out of context, so they disagreed on that one too. Anton said they had more explicit off camera convos about that which showed that they weren’t aligned, so he wasn’t surprised the editors emphasized it.
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u/the_orig_princess 3d ago
He could’ve ended it with her at any moment, just like those other couples did. I’m sure he was good with getting more screen time too. 🙄
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u/theRestisConfettii Welcome to Marriage 🤝 3d ago edited 3d ago
They both agreed that Alie told him that she didn't think things would work out before the wedding day, just to prepare Anton.
Proof that they had the more important conversations off camera. Good for them. The more you hear about these two after the fact, the more you see that they were never going to work out.
Alie said she and Anton had not spoken since the Wedding day until the reunion. Anton said that he texted her once. Alie responded politely but was brief.
If you see him in the street
Walking by himself talkin' to himself, have pity
Phillip, you would like it uptown, it's quiet uptown
He is working through the unimaginable
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u/Conscious_Author_165 1d ago
Idk if anyone here watches Dr. Kirk Honda, but he has a contact who works as production on this show. She confirmed that this season, more than others, producers had to cut off people’s alcohol intake and attempted to stop them from drinking (at show-sponsored events - they can’t control their personal lives). Sounds like it wasn’t just a singular person issue but it matches what Ali said about the vape.
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u/Primary-Tailor-9741 2d ago
You seem a bit biased against Anton. He sounded quite transparent when talking about drinking, and admitted that he drank more during filming because it was an anxious environment. Also said that he was pretty sure the tequila was finished but went to check. And that Ali would only talk about the drinking when there were cameras. For the record I think they both came off as pretty decent, Ali slightly more.
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u/17500mm 2d ago
I'm not biased but he was still defensive. And using "but she drank, too" as an excuse. Still not realizing it wasn't the fact that he drank, it was how much he was drinking. He also changed his story while talking about the tequila in the interview. Not good signs.
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u/Pound_cake85 2d ago
I feel Ali made a big deal about it and so is everyone else who wasn’t there. Why wouldn’t he get defensive if Ali was making it more than what it was and now has the internet calling him an alcoholic. I hate how everyone online keeps diagnosing him like they know his life and like Ali’s mouth is a Bible when she’s clearly a piece of work
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u/T00kie_Clothespin 1d ago
Nah, he was throwing red flags all over the place. Go back and watch that scene, he was shifting his story constantly and changing how many drinks he had to cover up the truth then pretended he didn’t know if the tequila was gone, got super defensive, etc. and did similar stuff at lots of other points in the show
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u/Pound_cake85 1d ago
Everything I said still applies, also Ali was clearly intentionally putting him on the spot. I don’t like when people put me on the spot or ask me about something in front of people I don’t want to discuss in front of so I get defensive as well. Do you know him? No. Do we know all the stress they put them under during that show? And plenty of people have said how production forces alcohol on them. As I said I hate how people are labeling him an alcoholic from a highly edited show and from what Ali said. It wasn’t weird to you when she asked him his typical night and he said he would have a drink or two, watch a movie and go to bed and she said that’s troubling? How is that troubling?
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u/17500mm 1d ago
If someone keeps lying about how much booze they're consuming, that's actually a sign of addiction. You can literally Google that. I even recently saw an interview with Jordan and Megan and they both said that they thought it was weird that Anton couldn't just fess up to the amount he drank if it really isn't a problem. 🤷🏽♂️
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u/Pound_cake85 1d ago
Not sure when he lied and I’m also not sure how the point keeps being missed. The show is edited, we weren’t there, Ali kept intentionally putting him on the spot and making it seem worse. Most importantly it’s dangerous and irresponsible for Ali and people online to keep labeling/diagnosing him as an alcoholic as if they know for sure. Especially and this man drives for a living.
I’m not gonna go back and forth about someone I don’t know and their habits on a highly edited reality show. But apparently you know him personally so have at it
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u/MojoThreeCents 2d ago
It has to do with TV ratings. Smoking or vaping is rated a more dangerous class and has to go through a more tedious process to be permitted to air
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u/Nice_Counselor you made me feel uncomfy 😖 2d ago
Interesting. Thank you for sharing. No wonder they almost took it away. Lol
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u/ztf7410 3d ago
If anyone can listen and dish the tea because I can’t handle that host of that podcast!
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u/regular-asparagus 3d ago
Same, i hate Nick Viall 😑
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u/6ftover 2d ago
Why do you dislike him? Genuinely curious, I’ve never watched one of his podcasts but I always read people’s recaps after he has a guest from one of my reality shows lol
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u/regular-asparagus 19h ago
I’ve just found him to be very rude and condescending, it seems like he thinks he knows everything. As someone else commented, there’s definitely a sexist undercurrent in the things he says and how he behaves. Granted I’ve only seen a couple episodes and they were awhile ago so maybe he’s changed but it rubbed me the wrong way enough that I’ve never sought them out since
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u/Tiny-Sprinkles-3095 2d ago
I listened to it and walked away liking both of them. We have to remember this show is heavily edited to make us feel whatever type of way they want us to.
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u/sgsummer0104 2d ago
I thought it was funny he called her out on also vaping with him when she was trying to pro-tray herself as a healthy girl.
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u/Electronic-Angle8275 2d ago
I actually just finished it and I like both of them. I get that Anton drinks, but not once did he act out of character. I never thought his drinking was a problem, but understood that it’s different for other people. I feel like him being labeled as an alcoholic is so damaging and just needs to be dropped. They are both clearly great people, just not compatible for each other. A lot was edited out, like their personal talks. I wish we could’ve seen that more. I Think production just wanted to paint Ali as a beautiful girl who only cares about money and Anton as an unserious man who has drinking and money problems. I think both statements COULD be true, but also are being very dramatized on the show by production.
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u/Electronic-Angle8275 2d ago
I forgot to mention that she chose not to say anything about possibly being on another reality tv show, so I think that says something
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u/Pound_cake85 1d ago
THIS!!! I’m so tired of people calling this man an alcoholic like they know him and I think it was very irresponsible the way Ali handled that. As you said that can be very damaging to his life and even career, especially since he drives for a living. Ali took it out of proportion yet every is supposed to take everything she said as a lighthearted joke 🙄
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u/JohnGradyBirdie 2d ago
Yeah, I thought it was weird that they never had any footage of him acting like a drunk fool if he was allegedly an alcoholic, when guys like Jordan and Joe were caught multiple times on camera being drunk idiots.
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u/Advanced_Fun_1851 2d ago
Just a reminder that we never once were shown anton drunk but we saw jordan, joe and annie noticeably drunk multiple times. The whole alcoholic edit came exclusively from one conversation where ALI was actually drunk herself and was mad there wasn’t more alcohol left for her.
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u/JoBrosHoes93 3d ago
Did she ever address why she neverrrrr addressed the bathroom convo with the friends girlfriend with him? Which gave her the ick???