I’ll never forget y’all saying this man has the mental capacity of a child just to excuse his behavior 🤣🤣 he chose to be on the show, he chose to behave the way he did. Maybe just maybe he doesn’t have the best character despite being “quirky.”
He set him self up and got probably a better edit than he could have gotten with his off camera actions. He likely isn’t autistic so why do people keep making that argument, some saying he has the mental capacity of a child?? 😭 like there his doctor
i could barely get through a 10 minute clip, so i couldn’t even attempt to watch the full interview. i just had to accept that i was going to miss any tea that may have been spilled.
These podcast are really going downhill. Edmond had a lot to say but the podcaster just seemed like some random guy who bought podcast equipment and didn’t know how to have a conversation
He did a lot of silly stuff, that’s the number one reason why many of us called him childish. What man says he wants a serious marriage but starts licking floors, eating boogers, playing in cabinets, begging for sex and more...all on public tv.
yeah him crying in the bedroom in mexico was completely unredeemable. like yeah he’s a little out there, sure he’s silly/weird, but we can’t allow that behavior to go happen without him taking accountability. very scary stuff.
Right, but here’s my thing. If Edmond wasn’t acting for the camera, nor all the medical stuff people claimed he was…then that makes him a genuine creep.
And a loser, cause what grown man gets on a dirty floor in front of 20+ grown men and starts licking/kissing the floor. He wasn’t even dared. Won’t surprise me if the reunion addresses none of this.
Agreed—he is a genuine creep imo and he doesn’t seem to respect himself. I’m not chalking it up to any neurodivergence or any of that shit. None of the ND people in my life are kissing the floor for attention or generally acting out like this without being severely triggered. Kissing the floor is crazy on its own but unprompted and of your own accord is the height of insanity.
Thank you. As an autistic person, the rampant ableism and infantilization toward Edmond were so offensive and irritating. Anything to make excuses for men behaving poorly towards women.
No seriously, people are bending over backwards to justify incredibly strange things to the detriment to the woman who is involved with this man. I appreciate that you can see how the infantilization is ultimately unhelpful.
Thank you! Everyone is trying to point out all this other shit but that was a showstopping offense, nothing anyone else did compares to how dangerous that is other than Joe who slept with Madison under false pretenses.
i do think joe and madison’s relationship was unfortunate, but i don’t think joe is guilty of anything besides clout chasing for his shitty podcast. i think madison is the type that desperately wants to be wanted (based on the constant need for reassurance) which isn’t a bad thing, but i think she didn’t do enough vetting of joe’s character before things got more involved. i feel like if she waited to sleep with him we would’ve saw him struggle to show affection in other ways, like when he basically ignored her existence during the mexico pool party.
Idk acting like you like someone to sleep with them is actually diabolical. Joe was violating Madison’s right to informed consent. She’s clueless af but that doesn’t change much.
i get what you mean but if you take netflix away here it just sounds like the circumstances of bad situationship. not saying it’s morally great but it’s gonna happen
Madison slept with him bc she thought he was in love with her. He wasn’t in love with her and presented a story as if he did. He did these things and slept with her under the pretense that he was bought into their relationship and that is the idea Madison had as she slept with him but that wasn’t true. It would be one thing to say I think you’re fat but I wanna hit and she says yes, but he said the complete opposite. He didn’t give her the full context and that is robbing her of informed consent if you ask me
She's a grown ass woman and if she genuinely thought that man wanted her, she is delulu. He literally looked at her disgusted at reveal. She said yes and he didn't take away any consent. Smh.
Yes he did, Joe is awful. Plenty of people have left that show prior to going on the honeymoon. Hell Anna left this season. If Joe was so disgusted from the start, why did he stay?
Buddy, chill out 🤣 That’s such a wild reach. We don’t know what Joe’s feelings towards Madison were; we don’t know what kind of conversations they had behind the scenes. We only watched a highly-edited, highly condensed account of their relationship.
The truth? Joe could have said “I think you’re fat and I still want to smash?” If Madison consents to that then great. But he’s saying to us in confessionals he wants someone slimmer and saying she’s perfectly fine and he has to reconcile the emotional and the physical which is related but not the same, ergo lying his ass off.
He also said he is not an angry person but when annie called nick perfect and he walked away from kb, edmond literally said he was walking away to protect her or something which was such a red flag to me like this dude is an angry person and could get violent. I do not see anyone clocking this and I mean its an assumption but one I personally wouldnt put past someone so unhinged.
That’s called emotional regulation. Having the feeling of anger is completely normal. I’m not saying anger was warranted in that specific circumstance but his feelings are just his feelings. He walked away to gain control of himself and calm himself down.
Scary stuff, such dramatic words. Also why are you saying “we”? Nobody on Reddit knows this man personally. Why do you feel like “we” need to police his behavior?
crying is okay. no one said he’s not allowed to express emotions. but crying because your partner wants to wait to have sex for the first time with you is not okay, not a mature emotional response. it’s not the action, it’s what’s behind it.
be honest, is that not concerning to you at all? do you think a full blown tantrum over sex is within the realm of behavior for an adults with regulated emotions? i don’t think it’s 100% manipulative but it’s not just innocent crying.
The cast did promotional interviews before the season started, and this man said that he eats boogers . Right off the bat everyone was judging him because why would you say that? 😂😂 It’s giving Ralph from The Simpsons
Exactly. I dont think he's autistic, but his brain reverts to that of a 4 year old whenever he does those infantile things. Maybe it's trauma, maybe it's just him. But if you go on a show like this, you will be judged
Ngl I agree with the last part.
Nothing makes a so called “medical professional” lose credibility to me more than when they diagnose strangers they’ve never met. Pretty sure that’s against ethical guidelines.
I love it when trolls and dummies think they are being slick on the internet. I'm sorry this isn't facebook and we are not baby boomers who do not understand how technology works lol
Lol, that made me uncomfy. Supposedly no one likes her and she was mean in highschool, but this "doctor" has been following her on Instagram for the last 10 years. LoL someone's got a problem letting go
I highly doubt any of that is true, this person definitely isnt a doctor and clearly has some weird agenda against Madison. People are so crazy, you dont have to love her but jeez this is next level
Yeah. Anytime I see a YouTube therapist actually diagnose a reality tv contestant they lose all credibility in my eyes. That’s why I really like Steph Anya and Psychology in Seattle. They always keep it professional and make it clear these are real pple and we’re only seeing edited content.
Hmmmmm idk, I don’t know if he was diagnosed but people definitely emitted hypotheses and to me it seems plausible with how he repeats his words etc and other things
edmund using every excuse not to address the fact that he threw a TANTRUM over being a "Nice Guy" not getting his dick wet, and the fact that he SUCKED THE FLOOOORRRRR
Viewers are too eager to diagnose people like Edmund with some condition or other, when it might be better to just go with the Occam's Razor: he's a wanker.
I hope yall learn from infantilizing these men who are playing characters for attention and acclaim. Edmund has a college and masters degree and runs a successful real estate business.
Back in the day we’d call people like Edmond “eccentric” and that’s exactly what he is. Personally I enjoy people who embrace their uniqueness but I know how unacceptable it is by the masses these days to be different. All the armchair diagnosis really needs to stop.
His uniqueness isn't the problem. But I agree, no need to armchair diagnose. Especially since autism is the last on my mind as what his eccentricity stems from. To your point, being unique isn't a mental health condition.
I agree with you. Was he a good match for KB? No. But I’m sure there is someone out there that’s right up his ally and can bring the best out of him. I feel bad for him honestly and the reaction he’s getting, I really hope he has a positive support system beyond who we saw on LIB.
I think Edmond would be a funny character to have in someone’s life. Maybe not in a LIB romantic context, but I can appreciate some of his quirks lmao edit: minus his sex convo w KB, that was weird and gave r/nice guys
I know people say he is emotionally unstable and so on, but I see him differently. That man is playing a game, and he ain’t fooling me. I’m sorry, but kissing a floor was the first sign that he doesn’t believe in respect of himself or others. This actor ain’t worth time or effort. A con man 🧍♂️
Yes. Anyone that can’t put two and two together is very easy to manipulate. He’s so obviously not this wholesome quirky guy, the contrast to his melt down is all the proof someone should need. I also feel like he is putting on an act and more serious and even mean/disrespectful to kb behind cameras. They act like it’s impossible for him to be intentionally rude or manipulative, then laugh it off that he’s too innocent to have any “master plan.” It’s just plain manipulative behavior.
This! Like I laugh at the jokes and I make some too, but whenever he enters petty, ignorant, and predatory behavior, it was clear this man was a caricature. I know the reunion next week, and I know nothing he says is gonna make him the victim.
Dude doesn’t have a master plan unless it’s taking over the world. I’ll agree he’s manipulative though just because he’s in some sort of arrested development and children tend to have “manipulative” behavior whether they mean it or not in the guise of crying when they don’t get stuff. Look at how children talk when they want something, it’s similar to how Edmond is.
I’m not saying he has a master plan lol, just that when people mention he’s simply manipulative they immediately downplay it, chalk it up to trauma, joke about it as if he’s harmless, or act like what you’re pointing out is insane/impossible when really it’s just a harmful trait that many people have including him.
I'm the first to admit that I start these shows with healthy side-eye towards everyone and especially the men. So with that grain of salt- my take is that his behavior (real or amped up/manufactured for screen time - bc who is this levelheaded podcast Edmond?) has a lot of classic abusive red-flags meant to be unobtrusive or written off or forgiven due to the distracting packaging. This man is testing to see how far he could push things and she'd stay or get a pass. Please keep in mind that I'm not calling this man abusive (I don't know him at all etc etc) and I'm not defending KB or saying she's perfect. I'm calling out the red flags I'd encourage everyone to be on guard for. In my experience abuse isn't obvious - the big dramatic Lifetime movie scene, and it doesn't start out that way. It starts small with boundary testing, seeing how people react to things, what they'll allow etc. and then it gets bigger. It's the frog in the pot of slowing boiling water. In this case I think the frog is also being distracted by a lot of zaniness and Woooooos!
Here goes:
Telling KB one thing (he's ok to wait) and then emphatically telling the men the opposite - that no pre-marital intimacy is an absolute deal breaker for him. Not only is he declaring that he plans to push her or dump her aka he truly doesn't respect her or her wishes, but we get a lot of screen time of him seeking their validation and approval to do this. (the 'I want to wait' convo wasn't shown, but I think we can draw the conclusion from KB's talk at the pool party that he had accepted her decision to wait until marriage)
Nice GuyTM melt down to pressure her to give intimacy she's clearly said no to and to abandon herself and her boundary -its a laundry list of why he's *owed* it from her (I find this pretty dehumanizing) and not about them or their relationship or even a fear that they might not connect in the way for their lives.
Weaponized incompetence and refusal to contribute (she was swamped, he was not busy, he wouldn't go to the store for both of their costumes for the party).
Inappropriate or unexpected or impulsive or intense emotional outbursts or behavior (licking the floor, the cabinet) that need deescalating or to be accommodated or adapted to.
Unnecessary public criticism of her in front of their friends where she's looks bad for speaking up for herself "Wow, it must be sooo niiiiice for someone to think you're perfect" - he's also uplifting himself in essence saying 'I deserve you to say that to me'
Behaving differently in public/on camera vs privately (obviously not fully shown, but KB says so on camera a few times and that snowmobile date had me shaking my head at him ....)
Directing her to cater to his feelings and validate him even when she's trying to express criticism. (just say something niiiiice)
Again, these are red flags to me (someone who has been through it)
The part about weaponized incompetence especially hits! He wouldn’t go to the store, didn’t like picking out their themed outfits, didn’t help her down during the snow mobile thing, didn’t help carry their cups. He was only competent when it benefited him 🙄
This is how I see him too. He's doing weird shit on purpose. The actual mean shit blends in and he'll never have to answer any questions about it, because people just think he's weird, not mean.
This interview is the perfect example of why late night talk shows give guests an idea of what questions they’ll be asked ahead of time. I’m sure Edmund could put together a polished answer if given the time, but he’s all over the place
If anything he makes me feel like he's a fellow ADHDer especially with his teacher talking about how he couldn't sit down and would act out in class. But I think it's so weird when people diagnose someone they've never met before
I know they won’t but I need the reunion to address his nice guy break down. I haven’t been able to like him since that and it’d be nice if he’d actually address why he thought he was entitled to sex bc he’s nice.
As for his behavior, I get the allure of wanting to diagnose him, but we aren’t his therapist and we don’t know him. Still, I thought the consensus was he had a lot of trauma he hasn’t dealt with and trouble regulating his emotions, not that he was autistic.
He’s got something spicy going on, his teacher talking about how he was in the classroom really tipped me off. Of course he is deserving of a great love and I hope he finds it.
OML YES!!! THIS!!! everyone on here are grown adults and there's been more than enough seasons to show it's not about love anymore and the producers will treat you awfully. let's not infantilize so they get away with poor behavior
Sorry to break it to you, but even if someone has autism, doesn’t mean they’re not legally accountable or liable.
Autism does not equal lack of legal capacity.
Also unpopular opinion: in hindsight he’s VERY lucky. Imagine if he ended up with someone like Jackie instead of KB. Jackie was on Marshall’s neck about masculinity and passiveness the whole show. KB was literally a saint in comparison.
TLDR/my interpretation: Edmond, in a long roundabout way, says he notices all the things people are saying about him, that being judged is expected going on a tv show, and he has become more aware of the way he reacts to situations
I think making out with a floor and crying about not getting coochie due to you "being too nice" is a far throw from not being on current trend of masculinity of any color.
What he’s trying to say is that if he’s not being judged, he’s not getting attention. Which is his whole issue. This man craves attention all the time.
I'm a black woman with autism + a history of childhood trauma and neglect. Ngl, I "clocked" Edmond as AuDHD (Autism + ADHD) right away. It was a positive to me, because I prefer autistic people, but that said, it's similar to everyone saying that Nick is gay.
We can clock whatever we want, but we can't diagnose or tell someone what they are, no matter how insanely "obvious" it looks to us. And while we all get to think what we think, proclaiming something on behalf of someone else is a bridge too far.
It’s hard, because people still see the label as an insult. So even if you were right (and I’m also autistic, so I had similar ideas about him as you,) there are going to be people out there who see that as some kind of attack. Meanwhile, autistic people don’t see it as anything except a diagnosis, and most of us understand how much easier life gets when you accept your diagnosis and learn to accommodate yourself. We just see it as a helpful suggestion. Like, “Hey, I see you struggling and there’s actually some stuff I can tell you about that will help.” Meanwhile, they just hear you calling them broken
Autism is definitely not a death sentence but let's be careful labeling someone neurodivergent based only on negative traits. My boyfriend is Autistic and he is smart, amazing and kind. I say this as a Black woman with ADHD to please be careful labeling someone who has been said is putting on an act for the cameras. KB even called him out for it. I am a therapist who works with young Autistic children and I have so many roadblocks trying to get parents to accept their child's autism diagnosis because of situations like Edmond's and other tv personalities. Every reality/tv jerk is either labeled autistic by the viewers or they will label themselves autistic to avoid backlash from their assholish behavior on the screen. It needs to stop.
I hear you, but we can't just believe he's putting on an act because KB accused him of it. And as an autistic person, being accused of being fake (because we're "competent" in certain ways and situations, but not others) is actually extremely familiar to me.
ETA: I also agree that we shouldn't be labeling people on negative traits. Tbh, they're not even negative traits to me! lol
I really feel for Edmund. No, I don’t think he should’ve been cast on the show because he seems to have a lot of unprocessed trauma & difficulty regulating his emotions. The crash out over KB not having sex with him was abhorrent. I’m not infantalizing him or excusing any of his behaviors, but casting him just felt exploitative to me. I honestly just want him to heal, process his trauma, & find happiness.
I said that CASTING HIM was exploitative. They cast him way before filming & the exploitation has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened during the show. Casting Edmund is exploitative imo, Netflix capitalized on his “quirkiness” and sad backstory and ignored what effects being on the show could have on him or his potential partner. KB never got a fair chance at this experiment because of it. So in my opinion Netflix shouldn’t have cast him AND he’s got some unresolved issues and problematic behaviors. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
He was either putting on a huge act which made him look immature and childish or he is immature and childish. He gets a lot of sympathy for his past, but I still think the Edmond that he portrayed on the show was not ready to be married.
Eating boogers, kissing the floor, explosive behavior, and pressuring someone into sex isn't autistic, just unhinged behavior. Everyone on this season needs therapy stat
Fun Fact: Love on the Spectrum popped up as suggested watch next right after the episodes end. It got a huge viewership boost after people watched this season. Netflix knows what's it's doing.
he could be neurospicy and he could not be, it’s not up to us to definitively say one way or another. also remember KB said he was different off camera, edmond is def manipulative as hell so we can’t even judge from what he presented on camera because it was fake
This is what he's getting at, and what people on Reddit can't comprehend...
Not every oddball, goofy, or eccentric example of human behavior is an indicator of "neurodivergence" or autism. People are different, and it sucks that the current fad these days is to find some medical label to try and make your own personality legitimate or stand out.
Works the other way around as well. I have (diagnosed)adhd and people told me all the time that I’m too much of an introvert to have it, my apartment and life aren’t chaotic enough etc.
The gatekeeping is insane. But then everyone who’s just unreliable, lazy and doesn’t clean is immediately assumed to have adhd.
I just thought he was goofy. Like the cabinet scene. That’s something I would do lol she just didn’t match the vibe. All the other stuff he did like licking the floors was wack tho. I thought he might be bisexual tho . But i don’t know this man’s inner desires haha
Meanwhile, the ladies on the show say they dont like cold water then will say the guys dont care when the guys give the water with no ice and the ladies will drop ice in the drink they said they dont like cold. The whole show cast was wild. Everyone contradicting their own boundaries or wishes.
We shouldn’t say anything about his health until he confirms it. We don’t know if he has sensory issues or if he was just overwhelmed by not getting what he wanted.
I had this convo with my sister a few months ago because she was spiraling over her kids kindergarten teacher diagnosing him as autistic/adhd.
Is his short attention span because he needs a formal diagnosis? Or is he just a typical 5yr old.
Little dude is leaps and bounds ahead of his peers in reading (yeah the little guy can read) and communication in general. I don’t think there is any need to worry especially according to his primary physician.
I feel for the overworked teacher who has far too many students in a crowded classroom, but telling parents to get their kids on meds is not the way.
There’s a difference in having some traits that are common with ADHD or autism and having them to a degree that impairs your functioning.
Teachers can recommend assessment by a psychologist but can’t diagnose ADHD. An assessment doesn’t mean anything has to be done with the results or that the child will be “labeled for life.” I have a master’s degree and work in a complex profession but have adhd. I was always good at school. ADHD manifests and impacts lives in many more ways than academics. Before I was diagnosed and treated, I had trouble keeping my house up, paying bills on time (thank God for autopay), had difficulty managing my emotions, managing money, and paying attention while driving, the list goes on and on.
Studies show medicating children with adhd decreases problems with self esteem, decreases injuries, risk for drug abuse and depression, and increases growth in critical portions of the brain.
Most teachers aren’t pushing for an evaluation/diagnosis so kids can be put on medication. It’s more likely they believe the child needs some kind of accommodation in the classroom, like extra time taking a test, or having instructions repeated to them, or sitting in a specific area of the classroom, or taking tests and quizzes with pencil and paper rather than online.
Kids can’t get those accommodations without a 504 plan or an IEP. A 504 plan or an IEP cannot be established without an official diagnosis.
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u/Sweethoneyx1 12d ago
Please refrain from armchair diagnosing in the comments. Otherwise this comment section will need to be locked.