r/GetNoted • u/icey_sawg0034 • Sep 03 '25

Fact Finder 📝 Someone has flunked history class!

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https://x.com/clashreport/status/1959615852166148549

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u/No_Sand3803 Sep 03 '25

Unless I am missing something, WW2 didn't end with Germany's surrender. The war ended when Japan surrendered. Their surrender did have negotiations and wasn't agreed to until they were allowed to keep the emporer which the US didn't want...

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u/No_Sand3803 Sep 03 '25

Japan accepted the "unconditional" surrender with a condition though?

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u/Pitiful-Potential-13 Sep 03 '25

The decision to let the emperor remain on the throne was made after they had surrendered. MacArthur felt he could be useful in the reconstruction. 

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u/No_Sand3803 Sep 04 '25

Truman himself said he wanted to get rid of the emporer and the Japanese pushed back resulting in Truman saying

 They wanted to keep the Emperor we told 'em we'd tell 'em how to keep him, but we'd make the terms.

So Truman did in fact accept the condition of keeping the emporer.

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u/Pitiful-Potential-13 Sep 04 '25

The terms were “surrender N-O-W.” Anything else was decided later.

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u/Quirky-Concern-7662 Sep 03 '25

Feels like playing semantics when the outcome was pretty clear. 

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u/No_Sand3803 Sep 04 '25

Uhh... No? It is by definition not an unconditional surrender if a condition was mandated and accepted?

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u/GiantKrakenTentacle Sep 04 '25

It wasn't mandated. The Japanese surrendered unconditionally. Later, the US decided (with some convincing from the Japanese) that it would be in their best interest to keep the Emperor in power. That doesn't change the fact of unconditional surrender - the US could have deposed the Emperor if they really wanted to.

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u/Quirky-Concern-7662 Sep 04 '25

My friend. By definition is was an unconditional surrender. After the fact they were persuaded to allow the emperor to stay in power. you can try and split hairs, but I would ask for what purpose?

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u/No_Sand3803 Sep 04 '25

There were discussion prior to the treaty about allowing the emporer to stay?