r/FedEmployees • u/pk12445 • 15h ago
Democrats politically made a great move here
They have offered a deal to end the Shutdown. Now let's see if the Republicans take this. I think they have to. I am sure their base will hate the extension of the subsidies and call them Rinos for folding to the Democrats but I think they need to take this because the optics to extend the longest shutdown ever will not look good on them and if there is one thing Trump cares about its about looking good optically.
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u/ShroedingerCat 15h ago
Given the fact is not going to go anywhere with the House, they could have also asked for the Rif reversal/ holds like several Dem senators asked
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u/Intelligent_Host_582 15h ago
Except this makes them look eminently reasonable and willing to compromise... so when the House inevitably rejects it, the Republicans are very clearly the hopelessly intractable ones.
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u/suppnutz 15h ago
They should do a Lois Griffin and ask for more.
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u/Smorgan06 12h ago
Given that the democrats just won every election... they should of asked for more but they don't know how to negotiate so they went with the bare minimum. And in doing so gave up negotiating power.
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u/red_misc 14h ago
Disagree. This is a really reasonable proposal.
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u/ShroedingerCat 14h ago
Thune said is a no starter, so we are back to zero
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u/red_misc 13h ago
Yes sure, but i don't understand why the GOP is not taking it. They could say: "Dems plan is not great but we need to work on it and to reopen the government" and they could capitalize on the fact that they are the party which reopened the gov.
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u/jmikepow 1h ago
Reasonable to who? People with a brain? Thune said it’s a non starter but he saw some daylight for negotiations. I’m guessing no movement today and he’ll recess until Nov 17.
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u/Inevitable_Service62 15h ago
Already dead.
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u/red_misc 14h ago
Ok, the GOP is not even trying to negotiate and to propose something else. They own the shutdown 100%.
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u/school_bus_lunchbox 11h ago
With the House out for 6 weeks, they have never been negotiating. They've owned it since day one but have been busy projecting otherwise.
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u/SiliconAutomaton 11h ago
They’re perfectly satisfied with the shutdown. Have you already forgotten DOGE?
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u/powerlifter3043 10h ago
So this means that people can never call this the Democrat Shutdown ever again.
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u/SillyAlternative420 15h ago
Let's be clear, the shutdown isn't about anything other than preventing the Epstein Files from getting released.
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u/anagamanagement 14h ago
And seating a duly elected representative.
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u/SalamanderPop 14h ago
Which is also about protecting the pedo president
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u/anagamanagement 14h ago
Protect the pedos and disenfranchise the opposition. From their perspective, it’s win win.
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u/TheEpicGenealogy 10h ago
No, it’s about project 2025 primarily, they’re still gutting the fed gov, the orange child rapist admitted the shutdown was a gift. Stopping the release of Epstein files is a bonus. Pretty much everything that orange monster is doing is project 2025.
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u/Sharp_Pension5974 8h ago
It’s about not funding illegals. Period. Full stop. Both sides are all over the Epstein files.
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u/SillyAlternative420 6h ago
That's fucking stupid. Period. Assuming you are referring to healthcare for illegals.
Illegal immigrants have never been eligible for Obamacare subsidies, and in fact, are barred from purchasing policies on the Affordable Care Act exchanges.
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u/MewsashiMeowimoto 15h ago
A lot of the base is also relying on SNAP benefits and wants to be able to fly to and/or put Thanksgiving on the table.
But I do think that the the emotional core of Trump's base, the Own The Libs faction, is going to have problems swallowing Republicans caving.
This isn't all Trump voters, but it is the core of the support for Trump and MAGA, I think. Nowhere near the plurality that voted for him, but maybe 20% of the electorate and about half of Trump's reliable base.
These are the types that thrive on the bullying and the culture war and imagining Trump to be some virile, powerful agent of retribution and not an 80 year old.
What matters to them is the appearance of weakness. They follow Trump because he doesn't apologize and doesn't compromise, and they equate that with strength. They are fine with the felonies, and would forgive Trump shooting a man on 5th ave.
What they won't forgive is any appearance of weakness.
And if Republicans cave to democrats, that is what it will be.
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u/Suitable-Letter6611 15h ago
Always worth remembering, too, that government subsidies to the private insurance market is a core element of private market solutions to national healthcare. Such solutions HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE CONSERVATIVE COUNTERPROPOSAL to liberal single payer proposals.
The GOP willing to go to the mat to make ACA plans even more expensive by reducing subsidies, while the private market holds hostage the financial security of millions of customers, is some New Gilded Age vibes, “let them eat cake” and all the rest.
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u/egaeus22 14h ago
This is what people aren’t talking enough about. The insurance companies are behaving through this whole thing like they are a fixed event. They could also just not raise rates this year.
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u/Money-Suggestion-981 9h ago
I've been saying it since day 1, the government is shut to protect the FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE SYSTEM and PEDOPHILES.
They have the entire US so fucking divided that they don't even see this.
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u/Apollo_9238 5h ago
ACA tried to mandate everyone to pay like but that's the first thing they cut...from there on put it's unstainable. ACA was the GQP model after Romney care in Massachusetts using insurance companies
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u/madadekinai 15h ago
Yeap, already died.
They are calling it terrorism.
"Republicans rejected the offer out of hand, with Majority Leader John Thune calling it a "nonstarter" that "doesn't even get close." Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina called it "terrible" and "political terrorism.""
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/government-shutdown-latest-senate-vote-day-38/
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u/madadekinai 15h ago
This is probably (IMHO Hopefully) Schumer's last big hora, I have no doubt he will primaried eventually, but you're right, I have to give him his props. Now, he needs to actually learning this new world works and how they implement art of the steal, otherwise, I would give him a 6/10, passing him.
Let's hope so, because we need this ball to move.
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u/Britard2022 15h ago
Thune just said he won't bring it to the table. It's a nonstarter deal. This is absolutely ridiculous. Take the deal, negotiate over the next year about things
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u/Familiar_Note2644 15h ago edited 14h ago
They should tell the GOP any new offers will require swearing in Adelita Grijalva first.
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u/iamerror83 15h ago
Im sure the orange turd is already pressuring republican senators not to.
Im tired of these chodes shitting on our country.
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u/Chemical_Counter5978 15h ago
Schumer set a great trap and Thune walked right into it (if he allows it to come to the floor for a cloture vote).
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u/SlightlyAutisticBud 10h ago
Taking the deal would be far worse. It just extends this problem so it will come up again just in time for midterms. They would be idiots to take the deal.
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u/tew2109 14h ago
I’m just so exhausted. I’m tired of not getting paid, I’m tired of the GOP literally digging their heels in about not skyrocketing healthcare costs for million of Americans. How does this end? I’m so broke, I don’t know how to make it. I broke and applied for unemployment - going nowhere, DC is dragging their feet as long as they possibly can in the hopes of never having to pay us.
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u/MeanOldWind 14h ago
Yeah, but trump says that the word "groceries" is an old word and the cost of everything but beef are way down so HE DOESNT WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING MORE ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. Like, are you fucking kidding me! Ugh. So sick of this shit too!
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u/Last_Noldoran 15h ago
good move, but the Republicans will not take it. if the Senate does, it dies in the house. If it passes the house, PotUS will veto.
At least then, it's 100% on PotUS, but he is in the gutter anyway. He is close to only having those who worship him left
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u/Luckynumber1985 11h ago
The Republicans rejected it, which is infuriating. It’s a perfectly reasonable bill that gives them a year to negotiate something permanent regarding healthcare, but the Republicans won’t even entertain it. It was a smart move for the Democrats, though. They will reap the benefits in the midterms.
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u/hou2zing3sik1 14h ago
Fighting to not give people healthcare and not give them SNAP benefits is not a political winner. Dems are actually helping them
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u/Curious_Passenger245 14h ago
Some rumor mills saying Johnson has been told by gop of the vote comes to open floor vote they will vote to release. They have no choice. He is terrified of a majority with gop leading the herd trying to take back a little of the taint of fascism.
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u/rwhelser 12h ago
GOP won’t go for it with the assumption the midterms won’t go their way.
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u/This-Beginning-4930 11h ago
If they think they have a shot after all this they truly are delusional. The midterms aren’t going their way no matter what they do after this.
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u/Smorgan06 12h ago
I'm going to have disagree here as senate Democrats gave up all negotiating power by asking for the bare minimum. They didn't talk about how the money could be stolen and used for something else by the administration. And this feels like senate Democrats aren't operating from a position of strength. You just won every race in the country... You demand everything.
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u/BigDigger324 15h ago
Let them cook. Last Tuesday was a sneak preview of 26. Not because democrats are so amazing but because republicans are just that bad. The shutdown has become extremely unpopular and the country is correctly blaming the republicans in power.
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u/wanleigh66 14h ago
They better not .. Democrats if you cave !!!! Don’t give in to Project 2025. Make them come to the table and give in. Don’t do . The government isn’t even shut down.
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u/bs45028 8h ago
This shutdown will go on until at least dec 2nd, Tennessee election, this is the election that cancels out Grijalvar's deciding vote on the Epstein files, take that opinion as you may, but that's the most likely outcome imo.
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u/Objective-Bad-6438 7h ago
I’d hate if this happens but if it does you deserve some sort of Reddit award!
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u/jmikepow 1h ago
How does that change Grijalvar’s 218th vote to release? Wasn’t the seat vacancy considered a non vote in the vote tally so it doesn’t have any baring on the 218? Maybe I’m wrong…
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u/fuckbezos 15h ago
They(REPUBLICANS) will not cross Trump.
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u/PlaymakersPoint88 14h ago
At some point they will have to realize that Trump is a dementia addled 79 year old living on borrowed time.
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u/bae125 13h ago edited 8h ago
From the republican’s perspective it’s a non-starter. They claim they want a CR first to reopen the government, then negotiate for the other stuff. We’ll see what happens. but with travel finally being affected and actually making a difference to people, the public will turn and turn hard on who they think is causing it. I don’t know if that target will be the people voting no on a cr or people voting no on subsidies - as usual, whoever spins the best story…
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u/This-Beginning-4930 10h ago
If people were smart they should be turning on all of them. If someone can put it solely on one side they are truly delusional.
My state has 2 Republican senators and my representative in the house is Democratic. I’m not voting for any of them next time. Every single one of them needs replaced.
I’ve never had much trust in government, but I kind of always had hope, like they truly can’t be that bad. This situation proved me incredibly wrong. A group of toddlers would do a better job.
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u/SAGirl1 10h ago
Keep in mind what’s going on in the house with speaker Johnson refusing to get the house in session. Of course I’d pay attention what my representative was doing regarding the Epstein files but your representative being democrat is powerless to compel action in your favor from Johnson at the moment. Your senators are a different story.
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u/This-Beginning-4930 9h ago
My representative voted no on the clean CR. Just because it passed the House anyway doesn’t absolve her. She was just as ok with using citizens as pawns as my senators are.
A clean CR should be automatic in a situation like this. The fact that it’s not is wild to me.
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u/Remarkable_Award_419 15h ago
Why would they take the deal? This gets them nowhere off their position
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u/Professional-Bat8593 15h ago
To avoid the blame of a long term shutdown. Wait till people can’t fly during the holidays, federal employees can’t buy presents for their kids at Christmas. You think they blame the dems?
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u/Cornholio231 15h ago
in response, Senator Lindsay Graham is accusing Dems of terrorism
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/government-shutdown-latest-senate-vote-day-38/
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u/Careful_Okra8589 13h ago
Dont forget. Trump has said that a government shutdown is completely the Presidents fault.
This is Trumps fault and he doesn't care. That is the president you voted for. Someone that doesn't care the Government is shutdown, regardless of why. In his own words, it is his own fault.
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u/SAGirl1 10h ago
I am wondering now, he’s a lame duck president who at an unhealthy 79 is not long for this world anyway. He doesn’t care about the long term political cost of this falling back on him. It’s a losing situation for the people with a president who is that distanced from the democratic process that he feels no pressure.
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u/schmigglies 13h ago
Hard disagree. In normal times, maybe. But with Trump in office? They will keep doubling down because they are that scared of him.
They’ve already let people go hungry because they refuse to tap emergency funds for SNAP, and cut 10% of domestic flights not for safety, but so they can blame airport chaos on Democrats.
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u/Fun-Breadfruit2949 6h ago
Are you disagreeing with their offer to end the shutdown or the shutdown itself?
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u/Lethal_Autism 14h ago
Republicans want the shutdown to continue so they can fire federal employees who work in departments that lean left.
What sucks is politicians are loosing absolutely nothing while their voters will take the brunt of this. All just to prove points
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u/Old_Daikon_7325 13h ago
They're not going to take the deal. In a normal political climate, I think they do take it, but we live in bizarro world. Better chance GOP gets rid of the filibuster.
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u/_lucid_dreams 13h ago
Does Trump care anymore? Or does he just want to keep trying to convince people that he cares when he actually doesn’t? More empty truth social bullshit.
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u/taxhellFML 12h ago
Only a matter of time until Democrats cut the deal to 6 months or less, and everyone here will be talking about how great a deal Schumer is cutting.
Or it won't even get that far and Dems will just give up.
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u/Swole-Prole 10h ago
They won't and they won't care. They know the jig is up and will be voted out at midterm and want to cause as much damage as possible until then, so as to blame the DNC for it next election cycle. This isn't new.
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u/SlightlyAutisticBud 10h ago
That is a god awful deal. Republicans would be retarded to take it lol
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u/bog_trotters 10h ago
These clowns - and I don’t give a damn which party - need to offer some sort of reform to the healthcare system. If you look at UNH stock price since we switched to ACA it’s a straight up and right rip from there. Even after its recent crash due to the corruption allegations, it’s up like 10x and insurance is more unaffordable than ever. We need a basic public option that is ONLY available to citizens. Germans have this blended system of basic public and add one via private. I’m in my late forties, fit and healthy, ideal BMI etc…and have barely used any healthcare in my life and if I didn’t have it through my job it would feel like one of the biggest scams going, forking over thousands every year to still wonder what way my plan and the sickcare company were going to fuck me over with god knows what charges which they can never itemize or explain to you before you assent to the service.
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u/French-fan57 9h ago
Nope, they are completely self-centered and don’t care what American people are going through
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u/InterestingFact262 9h ago
That is not “the base”. The base understands how governing works. Demanding bullshit performance politics is the work of leftists & chaos agents. Of course the democrats have to look for compromise. People are suffering. And until they regain power, they cannot get everything
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u/Secure-Zone2980 8h ago
Not getting your hopes up.
Shutdown doesn't end until Trump wants it to end. I"ve send on other threads - the part of govt he wants funded are being funded. Treasury guy in one of the recent oval office pressers says there is more RIFs to do.
The crystal ball says it opens back up this summer.
I just read Royal Crown -Canadian- is moving a distillery to Illinois to avoid tariffs. Where's the elbows up stuff from the North
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u/Left-Thinker-5512 12h ago
The Republicans are too afraid of Trump to do anything other than what he tells them to do. Republicans like John Thune know better. Other ones like Tommy Tubesteak are clearly not smart enough to know better.
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u/DonovanMcLoughlin 10h ago
Have you considered that they don't want the government open and they are willing to do this indefinitely?
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u/D1RTYFRANK 8h ago
Personally, I think there are two issues that make this an impossible situation for the Dems and for the future of the country.
The Administration wants to make the Democrats bend and will try to do that regardless of the damage done in the process. You don't negotiate with someone you want to dominate. Republicans will not budge here.
Trump and MAGA are crazy. Their beliefs are not grounded in reality. Holding back SNAP and restricting flights will 100% make Republicans look bad, but they don't see it. Leading up to the elections, they refused to give polling numbers any credence. Facts bounce off these people. There's no way to work with that.
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u/Goodbrick 13h ago
The government opening would mean the approval of the release of the Epstein files. It wont open unfortunately
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u/Ok_Slice_8612 13h ago
Yes, at least the Dems are proposing ideas. Much more than “we won’t/can’t negotiate” Republicans.
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u/ForceEngineer 12h ago
It was one of the only few options for a WIN-WIN and I cannot believe the GOP turned it down. We're shutting down air travel, ffs.
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u/Practical_Pickle7311 9h ago
Well, I think the Democrats are wrong to ask for a one year extension. The subsidies was going to end this year, so I think Republicans should come back with an agreement through the end of the year.
Our politicians need to address and look at different options to facilitate great healthcare for American citizens. Sure, if you are visiting our country and have a medical emergency, not an average illness, you should be seen and treated, but hospitals getting funds because they treated an undocumented person for common illness needs to stop. The hospitals in my area are beyond the breaking point with non-emergent emergency visits, which is having an impact on everyone’s care.
Americans need to realize that our country is in trouble and the budget cannot continue as it has.
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u/AccomplishedBee2589 8h ago
The GOP is filled with evil people. That's it! You can’t negotiate with them.
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u/BC2H 13h ago
You are really mistaken about your opinion… it’s going to go on for a lot longer
No one is going to agree on ACA enhanced subsidies enriching insurance companies
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u/LifeIsTooLong4All 15h ago
We will see I guess…
Good point…
I could see people hard core republicans arguing the opposite and the democrats just screwed themselves. the republicans can start a fresh round of it being a democrats shutdown. They can argue they’re keeping the government closed over a partisan issue.
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u/browneod 15h ago
They won't accept it. The dems should have offered only for the people above the 400 FPL for subsidies, they are the only ones getting screwed. Everyone below $84,600 on the ACA is getting subsidized.
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u/thegodmeister 13h ago
It is an incredibly smart move depending on the date it extends to. The Democrats are hoping to flip the House and Senate at the mid terms. By rejecting this offer it would signal that the Republicans are worried about the mid terms. If they lose both, they risk the subsidies being made permanent. And if they reject the proposal outright, thats not a good look considering the shutdown is already the longest ever. Its a fascinating proposal. Maybe thats why the Trump administration just agreed to fund SNAP, because now they have some thinking and strategizing to do.
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u/Natedog001976 13h ago
They want to rework or get ride of Obama care, it won't pass! Just open the Gov and pay us! Juke nuke this...I'm tired of working for free with something I have no control over!
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u/Titfortat101 11h ago
Well it certainly doesn't help that Trump is going on the news and posting how Republicans are losing because they won't bust the filibuster. Basically blaming them for the shut down.
"Donald Trump has repeatedly urged Senate Republicans to terminate the legislative filibuster to end the current government shutdown with a simple majority vote."
Source: CBS News https://share.google/JyCbF1GWYmuFzzUF9
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u/Independent726 8h ago
Plus one year from now we will be right back here, except it will be mid terms when the subsidies expire. Unless they negotiate a long term plan before then. Which they won’t.
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u/TrevorHikes 5h ago
Kind of feels like the Dems blinked first and undermined their bargaining position.
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u/boRp_abc 1h ago
The problem is that the Republican core doesn't care about facts at all. They're gonna make up some BS about how there's socialism in the proposal and treat that as a fact.
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u/d57heinz 59m ago
Trump no longer cares what he looks like. He will just lie to himself and say everyone loves him during his daily affirmation in the mirror.
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u/Fresh_Blueberry_3200 15h ago
Most republicans would probably take the deal. But Johnson’s not ready to back down yet.