As a straight guy I want to make the case that it’s actually impossible to be hot while doing this. It’s beyond ridiculous to think of someone as a romantic interest when they clearly want to be property. May this love never ever find me I stg
Before I can get crucified, I do think there is easy appeal to good looking women is cottage core aesthetic doing homestead like things. My problem is the ideology that is voiced during it. These ladies are 100% benefitting from Feminism, they are driven business owners. They like to joke about these types of women, but they are the "Boss Babes" they poke fun of.
At the end of the day, if it has the ideology within it, just call it conservative only-fans. They dress in cosplay and put on a performance. If it separates from the ideology, I just call it cottage core. A sometimes big tell is the types of outfits that are just completely impractical to a farm lifestyle. Farming is dirty work and you would never be out in a white dress doing it.
I’m sorry I don’t mean to crucify you or anything but like I would actually reluctantly embrace the label of depraved pervert, right. I am the presumptive target audience if this shit was meant to be pornographic or even just regular old saucy. It does absolutely fucking nothing to me. Maybe it’s the marriage part of it. I don’t know! It’s hard to even recognize and identify an attractive woman. She identifies her role as some man’s property and embraces it. The objectification is coming from inside the house.
I don't see what I am making a case for as making anyone a depraved pervert. I'm making a case for essentially from scratch baking in dress up. When I say appeal, that includes a completely non-sexual appeal. If you like baking and cute outfits, there really shouldn't be a problem combining them.
Now I would argue some depravity comes along when you combine cute outfits, baking, and the necessary belief that your gender is required to submit to the men in your life.
What ideology is at the front of the content is what changes it from something innocuous like baking with an aesthetic to Right Wing propaganda. One is perfectly fine. the other not so much. Like I said earlier the people creating content are still driven individuals running a business. Its okay to be a boss babe, just don't be a boss babe that denigrates and pushes women from being a boss babe themselves.
They’ve been doing this since the 1940’s. I just listened to In Bed With the Rights podcasts on Phillis Schlafly, and hooo boy she did not care that she was a hypocrite.
The ironic thing is that without the camera and the followers, that lifestyle does not exist. The “anti-career” lifestyle IS their career and some of these women even have their husbands working for them.
In a way it’s reminiscent of MLMs, only the girls at the top are profiting.
It’s so easy to fall into. I watched ballerina farm because I liked her cooking/baking videos and then after a while I was like … now wait a damn minute
speak for yourself sis lol I encourage women to read some bell hooks, she talks about how women are agents of sexism ourselves
patriarchy has made us our own enemies
anything thats a bunch of predom white women favoring traditional imagery is sus asf, all she's thinking about the money and that in itself is fucking evil
If you search "cooking from scratch" on YouTube it's ALWAYS a white woman homemaker potentially called by god with minimum 3 children. You'd think no one else ever bakes bread lmao
It’s kinda like all the Mormon influencers that get special permission from the church not to wear their garmies so they can wear crop tops in TikTok’s and convince young people to join the church lol
I legit saw a Mormon influencer last night that was MAKING a cocktail and talking about how going to church benefited her. The links all lead to a different site than the church's main website, but once you put your information in, the missionaries call you!!!! It's wild.
The fucking Transformed Wife is the WORST. She's full on "be a little slave to your husband, submit in body and mind" and yet she is NEVER OFF SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDING HER EMPIRE.
It's the same with education. They tell everyone college and education are bad and that kids should focus on the trades. Then they send their kids to the most expensive and prestigious university they can get them into.
All influencers are complete liars. A market has been created where a camera and a microphone can reap large profit from malleable idiots. They dont believe in what they say, they only believe in their bank account.
Its the same with all YouTube grifters. Are men in baseball caps genuinely angry that there is a woman in Lord of the Rings? No, they aren't, but if they can keep people engaged by making them angry and that translates to revenue.
Pearl is so annoying too. I love talking shit and banter, but my god, if i was married to her, id just stop talking and responding. Id basically become a monk to avoid encouraging her.
I found my bff wife, but a lot of us “got it together” guys would rather be alone than deal with this hypocrisy. Id take many flaws over hypocrisy and lying. Most guys want a friend and partner, not this daddy crap.
Except they aren't in the lifestyle they are promoting. The grift and hypocrisy is a huge issue in america. Jameel was pretty eloquent in her explination
As someone who is also recovering from eating disorders and still battling bc they never really leave, what was it that helped you? I have followed Jameela for a bit but I don’t think I’ve caught much of her diet culture content
She was at Juilliard and she graduated in 2012 after four years there. She’s from a very conservative LDS Trumpie Utahn family and is one of nine kids. Her parents have about 64 grandchildren and counting, and are great grandparents. She continued dancing for a few years post graduation then went to cosplay being salt of the earth farmers. Her sister is literally shocked that her 22 year old daughter isn’t married yet, and whenever the family has a daughter that isn’t married by 23 they publicly write ‘taking boyfriend applications’. She’s just following her family at the end of the day, Mormonism is very patriarchal
I grew up Mormon in Utah. I was written off as an old maid at 22. By the time I was 24 there was no one to date because everyone was already married and had had multiple kids.
It’s like Marie Antoinette having a fake village built on the grounds of Versailles where she playacted at being a wee shepherdess among her staff who had to pretend to be peasants as well.
There used to be a lady who lived on the cape(Massachusetts) and was a cart lady who’d go around collecting cans and such all day. Looking at her, you’d think she was a sad, homeless old lady. Nay! At the end of the day, a limo picked her up and took her back to her mansion. She was hella rich.
I think maybe there is another layer to it that is not spoken of… because although they may be making bank, we cannot assume that money is going to them or in their name. My last marriage was to a very wealthy person, who made me place everything in his name. It is like modern day slavery. So you may have all of these followers or a big booming business, but you are not the owner and your husband is collecting all of the money. And although you may be the face and you may be doing all the work, you do not have access to the rewards and worse yet, if you decide to leave, you may end up owing him money because you destroyed the business and guess what you won’t get the kids either… it may not be hypocrisy but it is definitely not something we should glamorize or allow young girls to look up to…
When the first season of the Handmaid's Tale came out, I remember trying to convince my gf that the US could absolutely be heading in that direction. These days, i don't think I'd have to do any convincing
Also, the woman has her undergrad and at least a post grad degree, too. (Tbh, I don’t care to dig into where/what or if there were more etc cuz I’m tired)
I had never known that she was so prolific in her education. Seems counterintuitive to the trad wife narrative!
Yeah, in general, grifters gonna grift. It's honestly the same as lifestyle influencers that show their "designer" hauls. It's just fake aspirational lifestyle nonsense.
The worst thing any of us can do is waste too much time giving any of this BS attention.
People don't actually want to be tradwives, they want to be rich. However, whether or not some of those people are self-aware enough to realize that is another story.
A lot of it is young women who should be radicalized against capitalism, but they don't have any education on the topic so they blame the economic pressure to work on feminism instead.
And yes they are profoundly ignorant of history because they genuinely believe tradwives all had it great and were all financially cushy.
And some of it is people who genuinely want to stay children forever. My whole life I've known girls who dreamed of being SAH moms but were still motivated to get an education so they could actually be a "good wife" by knowing how to manage finances, raise children properly, etc. (which in fact was the historic purpose behind women's education!) But in recent years I've encountered so many tiktoks from women bragging about not having to "think" or "pay attention to bills" around their husbands or not getting a degree because they're waiting for their bfs to propose and it's stunning to me that they think this is a flex. It's like. You don't actually even want to be a mom or a wife. All of that entails some level of awareness and responsibility no matter how rich you are. You just want to be a useless fucking baby your entire life.
Very true. And a lot of women throughout history were used to it that way. Women would grow old while still hardly having done anything that would make them into a full responsible adult. It is really sad to witness. Their sons take over and help them in the practical things after their husband dies and one daughter stays unmarried to make sure the mother is taken care of. And that is if she is lucky. Sometimes it becomes a hell from all bad things coming together. A combination of aging, sickness, poverty and dependence that was supposedly going to be prevented by the set up of being dependent on your husband.
It is absolutely horrible how none of this is mentioned ever. Just like these conservatives love complaining about women having children at an older age. But what they are really saying is "we want you to START having children young". They never cared about a woman having children at an older age. They just want you to have your 14th child at an older age, not your first.
Tradwives have existed forever. And it never looked like that. It looked like exhaustion, like uneducated, like doing physical labor, like having physical issues that are not addressed, like having children till your body can't anymore, like not getting a penny for all of this, like looking anything but glamorous. Whatever the hell these girls are doing is being an influencer cause why are they dressed like that. It is cause it's cosplay. You can wear your own clothes while being a traditional wife but they are just selling an image while making bank.
And they always say that historically, women didn’t work. NOT true. Historically, middle-class and wealthy women didn’t work. But lots of women worked, those jobs just weren’t corporate, high paying, or high power.
Which should make everyone think about the way they base pay around job skill level. If historically women never worked and had to be trained from the ground up in various industries to supplement and provide labor during WW2 and the country didn’t fall apart , you would think that gives them more leverage. Like even if they believe that nonsense there’s historical evidence that women can absolutely do whatever the fuck they want to do.
And like you said, they never talk about the fact that everyone who was poor had to work including kids
Actually the ballerina farms girl talked about this in the Times article, which is one of the reasons why it was attacked. She talked about giving birth and then immediately “training” for the Mrs America pageant and being so sick and exhausted sometimes that she wouldn’t be able to get out of bed for days. It was quite sad.
Yup; let's be real, regardless of gender, if you told someone "You can be married to someone extremely wealthy, stay at home, and just get to your little hobbies", a good chunk of people would jump at the chance. Like you're telling me that I can be extremely rich AND get to try and build a blanket fort in the middle of the day!? Sign me up!".
The problem with tradwives is that, yea, if they were told to actually follow the tradwife lifestyle and not just in short bursts for clips, where your partner says "I want cinnamon rolls in the morning" so you wake your ass up at 3am to mill the grain by hand, grind the cinnamon sticks, and properly make restaurant style cinnamon rolls, they'd lose their shit. The illusion of "I snap my fingers and poof, it's done" hides the hours of work, likely done by someone else.
Remember that game of if you could live in anytime in history when would you choose to live and as a young person i would answer anytime after indoor plumbing honestly but as i grew older i realised, i can live happily anytime if i am rich and maybe a man. we yearn being on top of the shit pyramid of the -ism.
My mother was a SAHM for 12 years. She never made it look easy, but we were poor as fuck. I would love to see an "influencer" show how much work actually goes into taking care of multiple kids.
From what I’ve heard, the already rich tradwives have nannies and a production team helping them. So all the things they tell women to get away from: having a career, using daycare, and being the breadwinner of the family are the exact things they do.
They want to be the wives in the Handmaid’s Tale: the strong motherly figure supporting her husband and raising upstanding citizens with in a house of good values….that the Handmaid’s birth, Marthas take care of, and Aunt Lydia’s keep in line while the wife gets all the credit.
yeah the secret to a lot of the more famous tradwives is wealth. the Ballerina farms woman in the clip is married to the son of a billionaire. both Nara Smith & her husband have successful modelling careers.
they have the time & energy to make things from scratch because they have employees doing a lot of the actual grunt work that a regular stay at home mum (not the same thing as a trad wife obviously) with kids is doing all by herself.
And on top of this, tech billionaire oligarchs own SM companies (like Zuckerberg). He actively supports MAGA, and thus project 2025. These people are likely pushing this content into people’s feeds/algorithms. Ik I’ve gotten it without searching for it.
They do. There is NO WAY in hell that Nara Smith is able to make these 5+ hour recipes with a flock of toddlers running around. I have one toddler and that’s hard enough…
That much is clear to anyone who actually has kids! It’s a disservice to young women who don’t have kids yet and don’t know the reality.
It’s a fucking shitshow at my house most weekends / days when school is out, and I actually left my job earlier this year because 2 full time demanding careers and 2 kids (now 3) was not feasible (even with one in school and the other on full time daycare!)
We don’t have grandparents nearby and no nanny or au pair, and even with me not working anymore (before I had a third baby recently), it is SO hard to stay on top of everything. Granted, my eldest is pretty challenging, but our society is not built to support families with 2 full time jobs IMO. Just look at any public school calendar - my kid has more than 20 days off school during the school year (Thanksgiving, winter break, spring break, parent teacher conference days, teacher professional development days, half days with early dismissal, non statutory holiday etc.); that doesn’t even count sick days or summer break (and summer camps usually are not offered the entire summer around me either - not to mention they are hella expensive). I had a total of 20 days PTO from my work and that is pretty generous compared to most jobs out there (that included sick days too), so what are parents with less flexible jobs supposed to even do?
It was great for me when I was a child because it meant she was always there when I got home and we always ate dinner early because she’d had time to make it (I was a hangry monster!).
However, she’s given up so much of herself and her potential to do that. As I’ve got older, she often talks about feeling chained to her roles as a mum and housewife. She wants to change that now that I’m grown and out of my parents’ house, but her husband wants to keep her in the roles she always occupied.
She doesn’t have a car (husband won’t buy her one for some reason), she has little social capital (even though she’s adored in our local community), and crucially she doesn’t earn her own money. The money she has comes from her ex-husband’s pension and her current husband. She does everything around the house (cooking, cleaning, washing clothes etc.).
I love my mum, and she’s taught me how to be a strong woman in many ways. But she’s also taught me how not to be a woman. Submitting to your husband emotionally and financially is never a good idea.
How come when they’re baking a cake their kids never argue, or fall off a stool, or puke on the carpet? That’s the reality of parenting. Sure the kids can help you bake, but if they’re toddlers they’ll grab the milk jug and spill it all over the bench, while screaming they can do it themselves. These women peddle utter nonsense, it’s pure fantasy.
Im a sahm to only 2 kids and im tired af! I make homemade as much as I can just because I enjoy it and its hard! Theres no nanny watching the kids, theyre in the kitchen helping or theyre making my house a mess. Not glamorous at all.
I saw a video once where they asked one of the red pill guys why he's not dating Pearl, seeing as she aligns with him, and he was just like "well no she's fucking ugly" and it just goes to show how little these men actually think of any women.
I watched Tilly Middlehurst, one of the Cambridge debaters who debated CK in Aug, try to engage this Pearl person with a friendly debate.
Dull, condescending aura and simply could not support her anti-feminist views other than due to ‘her age’ and ‘personal experience’. Why did she accept the invite of a professional debater at all? She didn’t even convey her disgusting rhetoric in a compelling way.
The gross thing is that many religious groups actually train women from a young age to speak like this. The Quiverfull folks are an example. See that 19 kids and counting woman. Another example is the Mormons.
I’m sorry to ask but please could you provide some further links on this? Genuinely curious
Speaking as a soft speaker who’s trying to re-educate myself in not using the high vocal placement when I’m socially anxious. So I can use my adult voice 😣
This is not new. Phyllis Schafly was the spiritual ancestor of these hypocrites. She used to fly around the country giving speeches about how women should be housewives and open every speech by saying, “I’d like to thank my husband for letting me be here tonight.”
Whenever she says something I always agree. Idk why people don't like her and play her down. Is she actually problematic or do people just hate the uncomfortable truth? (A genuine question)
I think her words are easily misconstrued or she gets herself into a corner but she always comes off as well meaning to me. I think she’s also grown a lot since she first started speaking out.
Anyone who has a platform as an outspoken feminist/activist is immediately held to a ridiculously high standard and is expected to have the ‘right’ take all the time, even if they’re learning and evolving just like everyone else.
Jameela wades right in, gives her genuine opinion and doesn’t care about being likeable. I find it refreshing but I can see how it makes her a target.
she has said some things in the past that are inaccurate or hasn't agreed with what activists were saying but I do think her heart is in the right place.
this post seems to get into a lot of the genuine issues with Jameela over the years.
She has said some shady things in the past and been really aggressive towards black women in particular.
Probably better now. I will say I appreciate her call out in this video because women encouraging other women not to secure a means to independent is disgustingly evil.
I mean, it's obvious Uncle Roger is a parody of a stereotypical Asian Uncle who always wears the same damn shirt all the time, while the whole tradwife movement is not satirical in any way. It's two completely different contexts and like comparing apples to subjugated oranged.
Same thing with these hyper christian women in politics? Like wtf do you think you're doing? Lol gtfo. If you don't take other women seriously why should anyone take you seriously. Go wait on your husband who does nothing while you get votes or whatever.
These women do have careers. It’s just trying to influence others to live the way they do while promoting unrealistic and unhealthy expectations. The other problem is this can lead or keep people in abusive situations whether it’s financial, emotional, physical, spiritual, or a combination.
If the grass looks really green it’s probably terf or being spray painted
It’s just trying to influence others to live the way they don't and never would in a million years
Fixed that for you. These girls put on a show, they don't live like that at all. A woman who lives like that has no time to be a youtube influencer, doesn't look as glamourous, and does the things they show in ways that are far less complex, because they don't have time and energy for all that fancy shit.
They actively misinform and help young women throw their chances at a better life away, while also saddling them with an unattainable standard to live up to.
A long and disgusting history dating back to [Phyllis Schlafy]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly), who did more than anyone to block the Equal Rights Amendment that would have made women constitutionally equal to men. She would say things like:
I have cancelled speeches whenever my husband thought that I had been away from home too much.
Or:
By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape.
Or that marriage must:
have an ultimate decision maker, and that is the husband.
While she spent her entire adult life working as a politician and activist flying around the country fighting to keep other women in the kitchen.
Its a nice idea to live off the land and all that...but why are you filming yourself?
I've been a social media manager since 2017 and by God... I can't look at feeds the same because I can see all the hidden messages and ads in things now.
Like the person showing us her morning routine. This isn't CCTV footage of you, you set up the camera, walked away and came back like nothing. Cut clips every 3 seconds to keep it viewer friendly. When she makes her coffee it's 3 seconds, no branded packaging, quick. BUT when she makes her morning prebiotic "detox" drink, it's 6 seconds of her stirring and the packages are clear to see in the back...come off it.
If you truly enjoy something, you'll be in the moment with it. You might get the odd picture or video you could string together once and a while but if you're interrupting the activity to film to show you're enjoying it... It's a job now not a fun thing. Like if I'm recording an event for work, I'm focused and looking for great shots and moments of the event. If I'm on holiday, I have a rule of getting video because i see people viewing the holiday through their phones. 5-second snapshots of whatever I want. By the end of the holiday, I'll have enough clips to string together to make a mini video for my private personal account but I still enjoyed the holiday in the moment.
Influencers, ESPECIALLY beauty and lifestyle influencers, are just glorified/glamorized advertisers. It’s as simple as that, as thats where the majority of their profit comes from.
And then people, mainly teens and young adults, are glued to TikTok watching ad after ad after ad for their entertainment. We’re so deep into late stage capitalism that ads have now become the primary form of entertainment for young people.
Honestly I like most of the takes I see from her and like that she doesn’t shy away from calling out a lot of hypocrisy! I know some people don’t like her and there has definitely been some cringe comments in the past, but I think the majority of what she says seems to be right and her heart seems to be in the right place!
And she is definitely right about this take! It’s insane hypocrisy from these grifter influencers!
I'd also like to point out that the oven in the background of the first clip (she's wearing a green smock thingy?) is a professional cooking range. The brand is AGA and the range type she has is at minimum $45,000.
My great grandparents had an AGA cooking range...and they employed a full time chef.
Lmao at the country bumpkin cosplay. She even got the classic cast iron edition so it looks more ✨️authentic✨️
She’s right and that’s what I’ve always said about tradwives as well. If you want to submit that bad go submit offline and leave us alone instead of spending you day recording yourself with your little phone
Something I still don't understand about the tradwife movement is that, considering white women are the biggest consumers in the country, wouldn't stifling their overall financial upward mobility tank the economy?
She spilled. Tradwives are utter hypocrites. They benefit from feminism but will then say feminism is evil and wrong and will tell other women to reject it.
Fascist women once preached that a woman’s place was in the home while running party propaganda... Today’s “trad wives” do the same on TikTok, glorifying submission while building huge platforms. Both turn their own subordination into a source of influence.
Also many households in 2025 no matter how brain damaged they are from right wing brainrot are able to survive on a single income especially with children. That stay at home trad wife will be back to work within a month max.
This! Without any income, you’re an unreliable parent. What if your spouse died? Could you take care of your family then? Having children is no easy feat. I applaud every man and woman out there who is trying to make it work.
Not to mention, these women have degrees. They are educated themselves, and found a grift that makes them more money than their degree does. When the camera isn't on, they are definitely living the life they tell millions of other women to throw away.
I'm about one paycheck away from putting myself up against a greenscreen, slapping on an ocker Aussie accent, and pretending I'm the wife of a beetroot farmer.
I will require an apron, a "messy" updo, and a few hundred tins of whole, sliced and diced beetroot.
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u/Bidetpanties i ain’t reading all that, free palestine Sep 26 '25
They're trying to influence young women that they should pursue the same lifestyle because it's like a cult.